Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Farewell to Juliet

Farewell to Juliet

Non-notable band, with a bit of conflict of interest as well. Little sourcing on the article, and no sources available on Google News. CyberGhostface (talk) 13:34, 6 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Delete - Fails WP:MUSIC. Two self-released albums of no notability, no reliable sources provided or found. - SummerPhD (talk) 14:10, 6 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Delete per nom. Chzz ► 15:16, 6 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Delete - I think I CSD'ed this a few days ago. The content is the same, the band still fails WP:MUSIC. §FreeRangeFrog 19:49, 6 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Keep - No one has yet addressed the points I raised on the discussion board for FTJ. I recognize that I am a newbie and therefore my input is discounted, but I still think the points I raised are valid. I will note that since the AFD page insists on disclosure of a vested interest, I have been a fan of Farewell to Juliet for years. One member of FTJ is now a syndicated radio host (Brant Hansen) and another is a musician who has been in several signed bands and is a freelance journalist who has been published in the Chicago Sun-Times (Jeff Elbel). Both have their own wikipedia articles and these facts are mentioned in the article so that ought to address the claims against notability (see WP:MUSIC criteria for musicians #6). Despite the COI, the content meets the standards for NPOV. As for reliable sources I referenced the Encyclopedia of Contemporary Christian Music which is reliable and third-party. As for the lack of sources on Google News my search pulled up one article, but you have to be a registered user to read it so I didn't reference it in the article.[1] Finally, WP:MUSIC also recommends allmusic as a reliable source, but there are factual errors concerning FTJ on allmusic so I decided that it would be better to omit this inaccurate information than to include a respected source. - Arfp (talk) 00:19, 7 March 2009 (UTC) This template must be substituted.[reply]

Your contributions are not discounted. Conflict of interest is not grounds for deletion, either. People base their opinions on AfD on the validity of the sources given to establish notability. Of all the sources on the article, I would consider maybe one or two as reliable. Of all the sources you have there, I would consider maybe this as reliable, and maybe the encyclopedia. But a notable band never has problem establishing notability, so I would want to see many more of those as sources. As for allmusic, frankly I tend to discount the musician profiles there as rather opinionated, although I have no problem with referencing them as a secondary source. And finally, notability is not inherited, at least not in most cases. The two former members of the band that you cite as supporting references are themselves not notable enough to carry the band's profile, at least in my opinion. That said, I never have a problem reversing myself on an AfD, so if you do come up with additional valid, reliable sources, do cite them in the article. As of now I'm not convinced this band is even particularly notable within their musical niche, sorry. §FreeRangeFrog 01:11, 7 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]