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Devastator Source

This all seems a bit bit thin, TFW2005 showing an image dug up from what as best as I can tell is a Japanese toy forum, is this really WP:RS and warrant inclusion in the article? Oosh (talk) 23:18, 11 February 2009 (UTC)

Two things will either happen; Bay will say Devastator will look slightly different when rendered on screen, pleased fans have responded well to his 120 feet tall robotic gorilla; or Hasbro will request TFW2005 remove the image or risk their unofficial ties. I have yet to see a truly fake piece of concept art; this confirms and validates (or, as some may see it, validated by) the rumours that Devastator was a multi-coloured behemoth shaped like a gorilla, formed by a red excavator, a yellow crane, a massive turbine formed by a concrete mixer, and a green dump truck designed by Josh Nizzi for a leg. :) Alientraveller (talk) 13:27, 12 February 2009 (UTC)

I agree, all the concept art seems to play out, but at the risk of being a pedant it doesn't make it reliable. Oosh (talk) 08:04, 13 February 2009 (UTC)

What's that motto, "verifiability, not truth, is the threshold of Wikipedia"? According to all news sites, this is a leaked promotional image of Devastator, and the same pic of him is being used on a background with Megatron and the Fallen. It doesn't matter who found it first, there's an image of Devastator and we don't know the filmmakers rejected this design (like Soundwave's Silverado form, or Megatron's original narrow head that appeared on all the merchandise for the first film). Alientraveller (talk) 21:47, 13 February 2009 (UTC)

SEVEN Constructicons officially named now?

The licensed Transformers Collectors Club has boxed pictures of Constructicons named Demolishor (the red Terex excavator, body) and Rampage (the yellow Caterpiller bulldozer, left leg) on their web site. So we seem to have verifiable names for these two guys. Also, these vehicle modes and colors match that "leaked" list from a while ago. This site is licensed by Hasbro, so it seems official enough to be a source. Mathewignash (talk) 14:27, 15 February 2009 (UTC)

Yeah, I had implemented that but for some reason it got reverted, probably got lost in a revert to other edits adding rumours. Alientraveller (talk) 15:09, 15 February 2009 (UTC)

Do we have any official source on the four Constructicion names? I know some TF sites have called them Mixmaster, Long Haul, Hightower and Scrapper, but I don't recall seeing it from an OFFICIAL source yet. Mathewignash (talk) 23:07, 16 February 2009 (UTC)

Long Haul's Robot Heroes figure is named as such in TFCC's site. The other three though, there's an issue, it seems TFormers might have assumed they would have their G1 names but it's verifiable per Wikipolicy as the article was Toy Fair related. Might be worth keeping until a better source contradicts it, I doubt the mixer truck will have a different name. Alientraveller (talk) 11:06, 18 February 2009 (UTC)

I was doubting that they will use the name Mixmaster because Hasbro's legal department hasn't okayed the use of Mixmaster on a toy name since 1993. They keep calling homages to Mixmaster in other lines by the name Quickmix (the Universe Constructicons 2004), or leaving Mixmaster out of the set (like Classics 2007). I'm hoping maybe they got permission to use something like "Decepticon Mixmaster" Mathewignash (talk) 12:15, 18 February 2009 (UTC)

We have photos of a toy for 'Long Haul" now , which isn't much of a surprise, he's been the name of a member of every Construction group except Energon (where he was Long Haul in Japan, but the US toy was renamed Duststorm and painted blue for no apparent reason.) Mathewignash (talk) 16:54, 22 February 2009 (UTC)

Hasbro has posted a page with the Constructicons on it, and they list Hightower, Mixmaster and Scrapper as the remaining three limbs, but oddly they also call Demolishor by the name "Scavenger". I wonder if t his is another case like movie Brawl/Devastator where there was a name change or somesuch, and some people got the memo, others didn't, or ignored it. Also, probably for Trademark purposes, the combined for is called "Constructicon Devastator". This maybe seperates him from the first movie's "Devastator". Mathewignash (talk) 09:10, 26 February 2009 (UTC)

Lots on focus on the Decepticons eh

There seems to be a lot of attention going onto the bad guys here(granted it may have something to do with me being a bit messy(doing loads of links at once wasnt such a great idea) Behellmorph (talk) 20:09, 15 February 2009 (UTC)

What? Alientraveller (talk) 21:08, 15 February 2009 (UTC)

It's not like there's all of a sudden a huge flood of information on the Decepticons with no attention being paid to the Autobots, if that's what you mean. In the last week there's been confirmation of Mudflap and Skids as the Trax and Beat, and Wheelie for the Autobots; the names of the individual Constructicons and the Audi R8 were confirmed for the Decepticons. I wouldn't call that undue attention to the Decepticons, just adding new characters as they've been revealed, which has been pretty much the standard for this article since day 1.AristosRietze (talk) 08:39, 17 February 2009 (UTC)

What should be done regarding Barricade and Sideways. A lot of people believe Barricade renames himself and becomes Sideways. If this revelation is revealed to be true, how would this effect the two characters and their respective articles? Would the two characters be kept in their separate articles or fused into one, or would it be like how Megs and Galvatron are the same characters as they have different articles - but this is only important if Barricade and Sideways are the same person. Evilgidgit (talk) 22:35, 17 February 2009 (UTC)

If fact come out in the film on the two characters being one then the articles would probably be merged under the latest name of the character, but until it's proved it's just fan speculation and probably isn't worthy of mention. Mathewignash (talk) 23:51, 17 February 2009 (UTC)

Agreed. Thanks for the response Evilgidgit (talk) 11:16, 23 February 2009 (UTC)

Wheeljack

can anyone confirm he will be in the movie as an Saab Aero-X AcesUpMaSleeve (talk) 00:25, 18 February 2009 (UTC)

Doubt it. Mathewignash (talk) 03:50, 18 February 2009 (UTC)

Agreed. Near as I can tell nothing has changed since this was last discussed (See archive). Oosh (talk) 05:35, 18 February 2009 (UTC)

Hey

This is Jal11497 speaking. Hey, who erased my addition? After all, Ian Bryce is one of the producers of both films. But why take off the other executive producers? Come On! Jal11497 (talk) 13:35, 11 March 2009 (UTC)

I created an article for Ian Bryce and linked him, but listing all of them is indiscriminate. Alientraveller (talk) 13:19, 21 February 2009 (UTC)

Thanks AlienTraveller. I also was told (but that someone had a point) that the unkonwn puppet on set was, well, Laserbeak. I also created two pages, Spider-Man: Back in Black and Marvel Adventures Avengers (which was created long ago). This is Jal11497 speaking. Signing out!Jal11497 (talk) 06:49, 23 March 2009 (UTC)

I doubt it was reliable, and if you have an account, please stay logged in at all times. Alientraveller (talk) 17:34, 2 March 2009 (UTC)

I will probably list down the official credits of the movie in my talk soon. Jal11497 (talk) 13:35, 11 March 2009 (UTC)

What's an SS?

Since it was asked.. the 2010 Chevy Camaro SS seems to be a final production version of the car, not the mock up prototype of the car which Bumblebee was in the first film. Mathewignash (talk) 20:42, 21 February 2009 (UTC)

[1] Interesting, should be implemented. Alientraveller (talk) 21:31, 21 February 2009 (UTC)

The Fallen and teaser trailer

Interesting, as it might explain The Fallen's nature and how he's portrayed in this film: Did anyone notice in the teaser how The Fallen seems to "appear" in a bolt of lighting when confronting the American desert troops? I understand the character, especially in regards to his description in this article, is somewhat of a Lucifer inspired being, but does he have any cosmic powers not listed here? I'm wondering if the Facebook fan club trailer is different than the main website, so here is the link: http://www.facebook.com/home.php#/video/video.php?v=1094345163819 Veracious Rey (talk) 21:59, 21 February 2009 (UTC)

Veracious, long time no see! :D It's been speculated the Fallen can teleport or has a cloaking device, but that's not appropriate to the article for now. In the comics and it seems in the film, he's a fiery being though. Alientraveller (talk) 22:08, 21 February 2009 (UTC)

How have you been Alien? Yeah, I kind of see my self as someone who throws a few tidbits towards the article once and a while, and lets everyone else sort it out :) If the speculation is true, Fallen should be an exciting addition to the film. Kudos to you and others who have made this an excellent article. Veracious Rey (talk) 23:29, 21 February 2009 (UTC)

megatron

so is he in the film as a tank or not i dont get it AcesUpMaSleeve (talk) 04:08, 22 February 2009 (UTC)

what don't you get? 98.19.144.163 (talk) 06:32, 22 February 2009 (UTC)

First Michael Bay officially announced he's not in the movie, also also officially announced he's going to lie about the movie to throw people off the plot. Then the toy line has leaked with several "tank" Megatron toys, then Roberto Orci said he is just a few says ago "Megatron returns." So all signs point to him coming back and Bay being a liar. Mathewignash (talk) 12:34, 22 February 2009 (UTC)

Edit dispute with user Bold Clone

This user keeps editing back some changes I've made to the Autobots section.

First, he keeps setting the voice actors as the headings for each bot's listing, which I have to disagree with. It's supposed to be a list of robots, not a list of people who play robots' voices in a movie.

Secondly, I removed the 'fifth generation' specification for Bumblebee's alt mode, leaving it just at 'Chevrolet Camaro', as the 5th gen model is not the only alt mode he adopted in the first movie. If the statement refers to its current form, i.e. in the second movie, the sentence should be changed to present tense. Uker (talk) 19:52, 22 February 2009 (UTC)

Fine, present tense for your latter point. But you are wrong about listing characters before cast. Only Cullen and Ryan are confirmed. Alientraveller (talk) 21:48, 22 February 2009 (UTC)

Can you somehow justify your saying that the voice cast's names should go before the names of the bots, or why they sould be in bold text? Again, the list is about the robots and the information is supposed to be about them. The name of the voice actor is meant to be information about the robot they voice, not the other way around. Uker (talk) 05:47, 25 February 2009 (UTC)

Because the film style guide lists the correct format: "ACTOR as CHARACTER". -Oosh (talk) 05:55, 25 February 2009 (UTC)

Jazz

y do people keep putting him in and out of the article u could just put at the bottom that he might return AcesUpMaSleeve (talk) 20:14, 22 February 2009 (UTC)

I do not. Pehaps you can direct your question at someone making an edit you don't agree with, yes? Mathewignash (talk) 20:36, 22 February 2009 (UTC)

No, he's dead. Sideswipe is the real silver Autobot in the second film. Alientraveller (talk) 21:48, 22 February 2009 (UTC)

laserbeak

isnt he in the film AcesUpMaSleeve (talk) 00:26, 25 February 2009 (UTC)

Not according to any reliable source I've seen so far. -Oosh (talk) 00:46, 25 February 2009 (UTC)

he was in the article before then he got removed AcesUpMaSleeve (talk) 22:52, 25 February 2009 (UTC)

Because no reliable source was given. -Oosh (talk) 05:55, 27 February 2009 (UTC)

Oops. Jal11497 (talk) 13:32, 11 March 2009 (UTC)

Appearences

we should try to find their appearences and their weapons to put in the article AcesUpMaSleeve (talk) 22:54, 25 February 2009 (UTC)

Detailed information on the abilities of each Transformer might be better placed on the individual page for each character. I might suggest you add it there. Mathewignash (talk) 00:08, 26 February 2009 (UTC)

yeah thats what i meant not in the article but indivisually i messed up AcesUpMaSleeve (talk) 03:55, 26 February 2009 (UTC)

Ironhide

is somebody named corey burton voicing him it says he succeeded jess harnell AcesUpMaSleeve (talk) 01:42, 3 March 2009 (UTC)

Corey Burton voiced Ironhide in Transformers Animated. Alientraveller (talk) 09:31, 3 March 2009 (UTC)

New Autobot Cast member

Amazon.jp has listed the toys for pre order and they listed that blue unicucle robot/motorcycle as "Chromia". We have seen there are multiple female robots in the trailer, so it seems one of them is named Chromia. 207.181.17.24 (talk) 16:05, 6 March 2009 (UTC)

I don't read Japanese, could someone else verify whether this describes the blue Autobot girl as Chromia? Frankly it makes more sense to me than having Arcee as a hive-mind but that's my speculation. Alientraveller (talk) 19:28, 6 March 2009 (UTC)

Well, it could be that the three motorcycle bots are Arcee, Chromia and (unknown fembot 3) who combine, or that the three bots (Chromia, fembot#2 and fembot#3) combine into Arcee. Either is possible. As of right now it seems that at least the blue fembike will be named Chromia in the toy line. Moreover no toy named Arcee is listed anywhere in the first few waves of ROTF toys. In the original cartoon series Chromia's two female Autobot partners were named Firestar and Moonracer. I remember that Hasbro had trouble getting the legal rights to the names for Firestar and Moonracer in 2005 when they tried to make toys of them (they renamed Firestar into Flareup and called Moonracer's toy by the name Chromia), so who knows if they can use the names now. 207.181.17.24 (talk) 20:46, 6 March 2009 (UTC)

Using babelfish, the word "クロミア", from the title, translates to Chromia. Moreover in 2005 Hasbro released a convention exclusive toy named Chromia. It was a blueish motorcycle. Sounds strikingly similar to this toy. http://tfwiki.net/wiki/Image:Chromiatoydie.jpg Mathewignash (talk) 00:34, 7 March 2009 (UTC)

(edit conflict) is this Chromia the blue motorcycle? Alientraveller (talk) 00:37, 7 March 2009 (UTC)

Ravage as minion of Soundwave confirmation

Looks like the Deluxe Soundwave toys fires/ejects a "Ravage Missile" [[2]] Mathewignash (talk) 20:05, 7 March 2009 (UTC)

Not a Tank just a Cybertroian vechicle

http://www.superherohype.com/news/transformersnews.php?id=8143 http://www.shootfortheedit.com/forum/showthread.php?p=66825#post66825

And yes that is the real micheal —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.6.165.197 (talk) 07:51, 12 March 2009 (UTC)

Michael Bay is not a reliable source. :P (well for Megatron at least) Alientraveller (talk) 11:11, 12 March 2009 (UTC)

He's the director last time I checked and what the director says pretty much goes onto film. what is excatly more reliable then the director of the movie, then? and don't give me that stupid :P face and if your going off the toy you know that toys aren't excatly canon right? and that APC vehicles aren't considered tanks but like the LAV-25 have tank like weapons 24.6.165.197 (talk) 21:47, 16 March 2009 (UTC)

Actually the toys are just as "canon" as the movie in their own worlds, as both are official, and Hasbro actually owns them not Bay, but more to the point on official information on the movie Bay has stated he's a liar. He will lie to keep the movie a surprise. So in this case he is not a reliable source at all for this subject on Wikipedia. Mathewignash (talk) 22:14, 16 March 2009 (UTC)

Whoa, calm down there IP, nothing wrong with tongue-in-cheek :) To be more serious, Mathew's got it right that Hasbro's main wave of toys have to be accurate to what kids see in the film, whereas the director can, and has, lied. Alientraveller (talk) 22:57, 16 March 2009 (UTC)

John Turturro is not Jetfire

I don't know if that's a joke that no one else caught, or what...but he's just reprising Agent Simmons. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Alleywaykrew (talk • contribs)

It's not a joke. Maybe Turturro just had to voice Jetfire on location because they didn't have Mark Ryan in Egypt, but quite simply, Bay has revealed Turturro is voicing the film's rust bucket robot. Alientraveller (talk) 16:22, 18 March 2009 (UTC)

legions

exactly who and what are they AcesUpMaSleeve (talk) 01:23, 24 March 2009 (UTC)

A legion. Alientraveller (talk) 09:03, 24 March 2009 (UTC)

I meant Megatrons legions AcesUpMaSleeve (talk) 20:17, 25 March 2009 (UTC)

Yes, what about his soldiers? Alientraveller (talk) 21:40, 25 March 2009 (UTC)

who are they are they just his soldiers AcesUpMaSleeve (talk) 23:43, 25 March 2009 (UTC)

Release date

how come the poster says 6/26/09 while the article says 6/24/09 AcesUpMaSleeve (talk) 17:47, 24 March 2009 (UTC)

It was moved up to 24 June. Alientraveller (talk) 18:10, 24 March 2009 (UTC)

What types of motorcycles are Arcee, Chromia and "female TF #3?"

We have films of the motorcycles in action. Has anyone identified the types of motorcycles used? Perhaps ask some cycle experts? Mathewignash (talk) 17:46, 26 March 2009 (UTC)

Sources

are we sure thats the 3rd motorcycle and those are the voice actors cuz im not so sure AcesUpMaSleeve (talk) 01:38, 31 March 2009 (UTC)

USA Today April 1st Article

This article seems to contradict a lot of what we know about the movie. http://www.usatoday.com/life/movies/news/2009-04-01-transformers-first-look_N.htm I"m wondering if maybe it's either an April Fool's joke by Bay, misinformation, or just out of date. It mentioned 7 Constructions, and Demolishor isn't one of them, he's a seperate 8th Decepticon. It says Arcee is the ONLY female Transformer. It says there is a character called "The Doctor", which it has a picture of, but this character looks identical to the recently leaked toy called "Scalpel" http://www.usatoday.com/life/movies/news/2009-04-01-transformers-first-look_N.htm Mathewignash (talk) 02:31, 2 April 2009 (UTC)

Need a link to Scalpel, as for Demolishor it seems like it's the whole Scavenger confusion again. This official list of robots (which is still keeping some secret, like Megatron and Alice) also popped up on Yahoo. Alientraveller (talk) 10:16, 2 April 2009 (UTC)

At this point I'm thinking we need to take this article with a grain of salt. It sounds more like misinformation or an April Fools joke than news about the movie. They source Bay in it, and Bay is an admitted liar, so can we ignore the things in it that contradict the stuff we know? Mathewignash (talk) 15:05, 2 April 2009 (UTC)

Well yeah, I've done that. At least we know Scalpel is in the film (he looks awesome, sue me, I liked Frenzy too). Alientraveller (talk) 15:24, 2 April 2009 (UTC)

Wheelie

HOLD ON! Wheelie isnt a permante decepticon! He starts as a decepticon and then becomes an autobot so shouldn't wheelie be in the autobot list??-69.118.78.130 (talk) 18:44, 2 April 2009 (UTC)

Yeah actually, is there any reason he was moved other then to follow some official list that doesn't mention the majority of robots in the film? Alientraveller (talk) 18:46, 2 April 2009 (UTC)

I swear if its because "Wheelie is anyoing." I'm gonna puke besides I LOVE Wheelie hes cute in the cartoon and he is still loveable to me in the movie like mabe wheelie has a cute personality? I mean Wheelie is a child in the cartoon mabe he is a child in the movie as well!-69.118.78.130 (talk) 18:50, 2 April 2009 (UTC)

Um ok, I'm not sure what that was supposed to relate to the subject but I'll go and put Wheelie back as an Autobot. Alientraveller (talk) 18:51, 2 April 2009 (UTC)

Thank you :D-69.118.78.130 (talk) 19:12, 2 April 2009 (UTC)

"List of Robots Revealed"

I'm not sure we can arbitrarily throw out previously referenced characters based on one article that appeared on April Fool's Day and is missing most of the bots that appear in the movie, notably Megatron. [3] It seems that this may be only a partial list. ~Auzemandius {talk/contrib} 22:22, 2 April 2009 (UTC)

April fools? Are you fucking stupid? That's not an April Fools joke. The article mentions Scorponok returning even though his fate was not revealed in the movie. Why would Barricade not be mentioned then? He's not as important as Megatron after all. Megatron returning is supposed to be a surprise even though people thought he died. I'll remove the list but Barricade returning has NOT been confirmed. Orci only said that his fate will be explained. And police cars returning could mean anything.