Talk:Migraine-associated vertigo

References

A good deal of unreferenced statements in the article. Removed how-to and dosage information per WP:MEDMOS. Inserted fact tags, where citation needed. Tricyclics do NOT accumulate in the body, this is bull, 25 pound weight gain is also not typical. Please see what books and publications are appropriate as references. Provide PMIDs of your journal citations. Conference papers are less useful. Same for web presence of a clinic. We need peer-reviewed sources. The whole article needs rework for proper references. I fixed your inline references, you forgot the reflist. I deleted the spurious repetition of the refs at the end. You had a references syntax error. Please take items not related to the article back to your talk page. 70.137.153.83 (talk) 01:49, 13 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

To 70.137.153.83 above, thanks, i'll be working on that today. This is my first Wiki article and I'm sorry for the errors. As I was doing my editing, I found quite a few external links as citations, so I thought they were acceptable. It is good to know you guys police these pages so well! :) --Julcal (talk) 14:20, 13 April 2009 (UTC)julcal[reply]

Note that Julcal is a known spammer and originally wrote this article with an indirect link via her forum pointing to a bogus selling scheme website (http://www.feed-your-cells.com/) promoting a cure for this condition. The company is called Enzacta and is an MLM scheme. Keep an eye on this article for outbound links. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Studio34 (talk • contribs) 02:05, 14 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

The above responder adds nothing constructive to the article. He has been cyberstalking me for months. He found out (by cyberstalking me) that i published this article last night and quickly posted his usual rant. I deleted it and he quickly re-posted. I am no spammer. I did write the original article with a link to my Mav-forum but someone removed it, not me. My link did not take one directly nor indirectly to the website the above responder claims it does. This is simply part of his typical character assasination of me. i actually don't mind the free advertising. My website is great and it's a great product. MLMs are not schemes, pyramids are.--Julcal (talk) 02:34, 14 April 2009 (UTC)julcal[reply]

The accusation of "cyberstalking" is ludicrous. It can be seen clearly in the earlier edits of the main article that she included a link to her forum where there are links to the "feed your cells" promotional pages with which she is financially involved. In her newly-created forum she is free to prey upon people with illness and sell her product which she has shamelessly plugged here again in the above paragraph. Wikipedia is an unbiased information website and not for capitalising on people with an illness. The original posted warning of this person's spamming behaviour (which she deleted) was not made by myself. A simple check of the IP address indicates this. There are others aware of her motives. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Studio34 (talk • contribs) 03:10, 14 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

The accusation is not ludicrous. This is not the only incidence, and it won't be the last. He shows up wherever I make a presence on the internet. --Julcal (talk) 14:09, 14 April 2009 (UTC)julcal

As I explained below in the 3O section, I don't see anything on the current version of the main article that link to that forum. If there were links before then that's one thing, but the current version is the one we should be discussing. It does seem at least somewhat apparent that Julcal has a conflict of interest on this page, so she needs to be very careful of her edits here. If you two just want to sit here and snipe at each other, then take it to WP:WQA. We should be discussing the problems of the current version of the page. — HelloAnnyong ^{(say whaaat?!)} 03:15, 14 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I have no problem with her editing this article. I simply asked that others beware of outgoing links.03:22, 14 April 2009 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Studio34 (talk • contribs)

Yes, we've established that. But as far as I can tell, there are no outgoing links on the page that are of any danger, so you need to cool off and start assuming good faith. If dubious links show up, then we'll remove them as needed. — HelloAnnyong ^{(say whaaat?!)} 03:24, 14 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Third opinion

Hi. I saw this page listed for a third opinion, so here's my thoughts. A great deal of this article is somewhat dubious, and it needs a great deal of work. I've marked the article with a list of issues; please resolve them before removing those tags. Studio34, can you show me some proof of what you're talking about? I don't see that site listed in any of the sources. Either way, the lead needs to be reworked to actually describe what migraine-associated vertigo is. I mean, the name sort of implies the meaning, but we could use more clarification there. — HelloAnnyong ^{(say whaaat?!)} 02:35, 14 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

(edit conflict) Alright, I'm starting to see how this is working. Julcal, you wrote "My website is great and it's a great product. MLMs are not schemes, pyramids are." This is not a place for you to promote your website. Do you run http://www.dizziness-and-balance.com/? — HelloAnnyong ^{(say whaaat?!)} 02:36, 14 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Hi - appreciate your help on this matter. Her forum is here: mav-forum[dot]com. You'll notice on the site, she has a "link to MAV lens" which takes you to squidoo.com. Go down one layer and you'll see she is involved in the sales of a bogus product called "PXP". Further, under her name in individual posts, there is a link button that takes you directly to "www.feed-your-cells.com" where the sales of PXP occurs. Finally in her own personal bio, she claims that she was "cured" by this product. She is known on a previous forum to have made such claims while being treated with true migraine pharamacueticals.03:21, 14 April 2009 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Studio34 (talk • contribs)

Yes, you've quite made that point. This is starting to border on bad faith. — HelloAnnyong ^{(say whaaat?!)} 03:26, 14 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

So in other words: you need to go back to a previous revision of this page, then click a link that is not present in the current revision; from there, go to an external site. While on the external site, go to yet another external site where you can buy the product. That's pretty far fetched, isn't it? (You could probably find child porn from wikipedia given the same amount of steps!)

As long as a direct link (or at least an indirect link) is present on the current revision of the page, I don't see a problem at all.

Also, to Annyong: dizziness-and-balance.com is run by Chicago Dizziness and Hearing (CDH), a clinic with (at least) two M.D.s (one of which is in the top of the field) who, as the name implies, specializes in dizziness and hearding disorders (neurotology). The site is probably the best resource for dizziness information on the web, with plenty of citations backing up every claim. Dr. Hain who runs it has currently authored or co-authored at least 77 articles found on pubmed. It has nothing to do with any of this. -- Aeluwas (talk) 08:23, 14 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

This is not far-fetched and your child pornography analogy is way off base. As HelloAnnyong clearly explained, there is a conflict of interest and it should end there. The current version of the article is free of spam and just needs work like any other unpolished Wikipedia article. Yes, Hain's website is a fantastic resource and would be an appropriate link for additional reading.studio34 (talk) 09:57, 14 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]