Talk:Migraine-associated vertigo
References
A good deal of unreferenced statements in the article. Removed how-to and dosage information per WP:MEDMOS. Inserted fact tags, where citation needed. Tricyclics do NOT accumulate in the body, this is bull, 25 pound weight gain is also not typical. Please see what books and publications are appropriate as references. Provide PMIDs of your journal citations. Conference papers are less useful. Same for web presence of a clinic. We need peer-reviewed sources. The whole article needs rework for proper references. I fixed your inline references, you forgot the reflist. I deleted the spurious repetition of the refs at the end. You had a references syntax error. Please take items not related to the article back to your talk page. 70.137.153.83 (talk) 01:49, 13 April 2009 (UTC)
- To 70.137.153.83 above, thanks, i'll be working on that today. This is my first Wiki article and I'm sorry for the errors. As I was doing my editing, I found quite a few external links as citations, so I thought they were acceptable. It is good to know you guys police these pages so well! :) --Julcal (talk) 14:20, 13 April 2009 (UTC)julcal
Note that Julcal is a known spammer and originally wrote this article with an indirect link via her forum pointing to a bogus selling scheme website (http://www.feed-your-cells.com/) promoting a cure for this condition. The company is called Enzacta and is an MLM scheme. Keep an eye on this article for outbound links. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Studio34 (talk • contribs) 02:05, 14 April 2009 (UTC)
- The above responder adds nothing constructive to the article. He has been cyberstalking me for months. He found out (by cyberstalking me) that i published this article last night and quickly posted his usual rant. I deleted it and he quickly re-posted. I am no spammer. I did write the original article with a link to my Mav-forum but someone removed it, not me. My link did not take one directly nor indirectly to the website the above responder claims it does. This is simply part of his typical character assasination of me. i actually don't mind the free advertising. My website is great and it's a great product. MLMs are not schemes, pyramids are.--Julcal (talk) 02:34, 14 April 2009 (UTC)julcal
- The accusation of "cyberstalking" is ludicrous. It can be seen clearly in the earlier edits of the main article that she included a link to her forum where there are links to the "feed your cells" promotional pages with which she is financially involved. In her newly-created forum she is free to prey upon people with illness and sell her product which she has shamelessly plugged here again in the above paragraph. Wikipedia is an unbiased information website and not for capitalising on people with an illness. The original posted warning of this person's spamming behaviour (which she deleted) was not made by myself. A simple check of the IP address indicates this. There are others aware of her motives. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Studio34 (talk • contribs) 03:10, 14 April 2009 (UTC)
The accusation is not ludicrous. This is not the only incidence, and it won't be the last. He shows up wherever I make a presence on the internet. --Julcal (talk) 14:09, 14 April 2009 (UTC)julcal
- As I explained below in the 3O section, I don't see anything on the current version of the main article that link to that forum. If there were links before then that's one thing, but the current version is the one we should be discussing. It does seem at least somewhat apparent that Julcal has a conflict of interest on this page, so she needs to be very careful of her edits here. If you two just want to sit here and snipe at each other, then take it to WP:WQA. We should be discussing the problems of the current version of the page. — HelloAnnyong (say whaaat?!) 03:15, 14 April 2009 (UTC)
- Yes, we've established that. But as far as I can tell, there are no outgoing links on the page that are of any danger, so you need to cool off and start assuming good faith. If dubious links show up, then we'll remove them as needed. — HelloAnnyong (say whaaat?!) 03:24, 14 April 2009 (UTC)
Third opinion
Hi. I saw this page listed for a third opinion, so here's my thoughts. A great deal of this article is somewhat dubious, and it needs a great deal of work. I've marked the article with a list of issues; please resolve them before removing those tags. Studio34, can you show me some proof of what you're talking about? I don't see that site listed in any of the sources. Either way, the lead needs to be reworked to actually describe what migraine-associated vertigo is. I mean, the name sort of implies the meaning, but we could use more clarification there. — HelloAnnyong (say whaaat?!) 02:35, 14 April 2009 (UTC)
(edit conflict) Alright, I'm starting to see how this is working. Julcal, you wrote "My website is great and it's a great product. MLMs are not schemes, pyramids are." This is not a place for you to promote your website. Do you run http://www.dizziness-and-balance.com/? — HelloAnnyong (say whaaat?!) 02:36, 14 April 2009 (UTC)
- Hi - appreciate your help on this matter. Her forum is here: mav-forum[dot]com. You'll notice on the site, she has a "link to MAV lens" which takes you to squidoo.com. Go down one layer and you'll see she is involved in the sales of a bogus product called "PXP". Further, under her name in individual posts, there is a link button that takes you directly to "www.feed-your-cells.com" where the sales of PXP occurs. Finally in her own personal bio, she claims that she was "cured" by this product. She is known on a previous forum to have made such claims while being treated with true migraine pharamacueticals.03:21, 14 April 2009 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Studio34 (talk • contribs)
- Yes, you've quite made that point. This is starting to border on bad faith. — HelloAnnyong (say whaaat?!) 03:26, 14 April 2009 (UTC)
- So in other words: you need to go back to a previous revision of this page, then click a link that is not present in the current revision; from there, go to an external site. While on the external site, go to yet another external site where you can buy the product. That's pretty far fetched, isn't it? (You could probably find child porn from wikipedia given the same amount of steps!)
- As long as a direct link (or at least an indirect link) is present on the current revision of the page, I don't see a problem at all.
- Also, to Annyong: dizziness-and-balance.com is run by Chicago Dizziness and Hearing (CDH), a clinic with (at least) two M.D.s (one of which is in the top of the field) who, as the name implies, specializes in dizziness and hearding disorders (neurotology). The site is probably the best resource for dizziness information on the web, with plenty of citations backing up every claim. Dr. Hain who runs it has currently authored or co-authored at least 77 articles found on pubmed. It has nothing to do with any of this. -- Aeluwas (talk) 08:23, 14 April 2009 (UTC)
- This is not far-fetched and your child pornography analogy is way off base. As HelloAnnyong clearly explained, there is a conflict of interest and it should end there. The current version of the article is free of spam and just needs work like any other unpolished Wikipedia article. Yes, Hain's website is a fantastic resource and would be an appropriate link for additional reading.studio34 (talk) 09:57, 14 April 2009 (UTC)
Hello Scott (Studio34). Wikipedia should know they have a cyberstalker as an active member. He is obsessed with me and will stop at nothing to ruin my good name, publically posting lies of the kind he has here, and worse. He has broken the rules of cyberstalking in his own country and in my state and I am taking action. Now he accuses me of plagarism. My article doesn't have a chance with him on board, so I have removed it. I was trying to do a good thing giving migraine-associated vertigo a presence on the internet. There are so many MAV sufferers who are confused about what is ailing them. I realized that MAV was my illness when I read posts on Studio34's forum which I happened across through an outgoing link on Wikipedia. When I did the same, I was accused of being a spammer. Scott, let it go.--Julcal (talk) 16:10, 14 April 2009 (UTC)julcal
- Julcal: you were advised to stop with your sniping and stay on topic. In case you have forgotten, the topic is the current article on MAV. Edit and build the article freely but keep the spam out please. Your "stalking" and "obsession" comments are ridiculous. All Wikipedia members are free to edit articles in a constructive manner.studio34 (talk) 21:58, 14 April 2009 (UTC)
AND this issue has been resolved, fairly and squarely. Although it needs work, I am proud of this article. It fills a much needed void for all those MAVers who don't know what the heck is going on with them. I hope someday it will be a great article. Thanks to all who are working on it constructively.--Julcal (talk) 22:52, 14 April 2009 (UTC)julcal
AN/I Alert
A situation involving editing here is being discussed at the Administrators' Notice Board. DGG (talk) 16:09, 14 April 2009 (UTC)
Real issue, article needs work
As an aspiring neurologist and someone who is intimately interested in neurological, vertigo, dizziness and associated disorders I can attest that this is a real medical condition which several specialized treatment centers. However the article, as currently written, does not seem to be as encyclopedic as it could be. I will try to get involved in certain sections and add appropriate references and make the tone neutral. Basket of Puppies 17:39, 14 April 2009 (UTC)
- As someone who was once diagnosed with MAV (before getting my "real diagnosis") I saw some world experts on the issue. The following is written by a Northwestern University Professor, Dr Tim Hain. He is an expert on this issue and here is his paper, which can be used as an excellent resource for this article: Migraine associated vertigo Basket of Puppies 17:44, 14 April 2009 (UTC)
- That site has received a fair amount of use in the refs on this page. — HelloAnnyong (say whaaat?!) 17:55, 14 April 2009 (UTC)
- Excellent. It's perhaps one of the best sources. Basket of Puppies 18:09, 14 April 2009 (UTC)
Intro
I have rewritten the Intro and sourced it to Dr Hain. I believe that it's now neutral and concise. Thoughts? Basket of Puppies 18:26, 14 April 2009 (UTC)
- I like it. I removed it from the articleissues template. — HelloAnnyong (say whaaat?!) 18:29, 14 April 2009 (UTC)
- Thank you. One issue down, a whole bunch more to go. Basket of Puppies 18:39, 14 April 2009 (UTC)
- Thanks BOP, it's reading much better now.studio34 (talk) 22:00, 14 April 2009 (UTC)
Duplication
The section "Symptoms and Syndromes Associated with MAV" and the section "Vertigo Syndromes Associated with Migraine" seem to me either duplicative or overlapping, but perhaps someone else can clear it up better than I. DGG (talk) 19:53, 14 April 2009 (UTC)
References
We need an exact reference for the Conference, in a published source. We spell out journal names. I have started combining references, using the named reference format, but this should be done for the rest of the article also. DGG (talk) 19:53, 14 April 2009 (UTC)