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- Multi-part request for comment on the handling of new users and promotional content
- Voluntary RfAs after resignation
- Allowing page movers to enable two-factor authentication
- Rewriting the guideline Wikipedia:Please do not bite the newcomers
- Should comments made using LLMs or chatbots be discounted or even removed?
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The result of the debate was delete. - Mailer Diablo 23:38, 22 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]
Dicdef. Already in Wiktionary. howcheng [ t • c • w • e ] 00:04, 16 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete or transwiki as appropriate. → Ξxtreme Unction {yakłblah} 00:08, 16 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete already in Wiki Dictionary.Gateman1997 00:09, 16 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep this is tomas wallace's definition
- And who is Thomas Wallace? And it is still a dicdef.Gateman1997 00:16, 16 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete Dicdef. Also riddled with errors- admittedly they could be fixed, but why, when it's already at Wiki Dictionary? Reyk 00:32, 16 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]
- Might as well delete it. It’s misspelled anyway. ♠DanMS 01:26, 16 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete - "Uncompromisimg" gets 8 real google hits, so NN. BD2412 T 02:03, 16 November 2005 (UTC)
- NN dictdef, delete. ComCat 02:23, 16 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete, for reasons cited above. - splot 03:51, 16 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete. It is patent nonsense. I had to restrain myself from blanking it out. Logophile 13:09, 16 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete....Ummm *smile shake's head, laughs, and utters one resounding word....delete. KnowledgeOfSelf | talk. 23:58, 16 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]
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The result of the debate was delete. - Mailer Diablo 11:48, 22 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]
A poker blog is a blog about poker, so we need a whole article on it? Also, this violates wikipedias policy of no original research. Skrewler 00:12, 16 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete. I originally nominated this for speedy for being patently obvious. --Timecop 00:15, 16 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]
- Unfortunately being patently obvious is not on the criteria for speedy deletion apart from if the article says little more than is in the title, unlike this case. Delete. -- Francs2000 00:37, 16 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete. -- Femmina 00:38, 16 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete. -- Useless 65.34.232.136 02:57, 16 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete: An extended dictdef. Geogre 03:11, 16 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete. Too vague, dictdef. - splot 03:52, 16 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]
- Extreme annoying chick delete --Phroziac(talk) 03:53, 16 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete What's next, "Cornhusking blog: a blog about cornhusking. Some are mostly spam." Jasmol 04:53, 16 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete Nope, sorry, "blogs" are not worth a shit in the real world. JacksonBrown 05:44, 16 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete Ridiculous - this is supposed to emulate an encyclopedia, right? :P TedBerg 05:50, 16 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete - poker is ok and blogs are ok, but put the two together and you have less than what you started with. — FREAK OF NURxTURE (TALK) 06:49, 16 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete, content painfully obivous from title. Would also set very bad precedent for food blogs, fashion blogs, soccer blogs, etc. There's nothing special about a blog having a certain topic. - Mgm|(talk) 09:39, 16 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete I'll tell you what's next: some article about Canadian progressivists blog... oh wait... Dottore So 11:01, 16 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete This article is a waste of bandwidth -- pure vanity. --86.2.56.178 12:01, 16 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]
- It's not vanity, but it is a waste of bandwidth. Also, anonymous users aren't allowed to vote on AFD, but it looks like it's getting deleted anyway. --Phroziac(talk) 13:09, 18 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete Agreed, not really worth noting at this point and time. --Depakote 12:27, 16 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete Is this Wikipedia or Blogopedia? This is becoming depressing. --Impi.za 15:32, 16 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete Utterly, utterly worthless cruft. Reyk 00:50, 17 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]
- This is almost a transwiki to Wiktionary... but since it isn't, delete. Titoxd(?!?) 04:05, 17 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete per what they said. - Randwicked 07:54, 17 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete as unencyclopedic, pointless, and spammy. - brenneman(t)(c) 10:02, 17 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete. Incognito 12:36, 17 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep, some nice men told me to. Alphax τεχ 15:17, 17 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete Dictdef. Slartoff 02:44, 18 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]
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The result of the debate was: Speedied and protected as blatant copyvio by User:Jeffrey O. Gustafson. Dpbsmith (talk) 01:40, 16 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]
Probably copyvio. Just the tip of an horrible iceberg: Southern Taiwan University of Technology (STUT) and College of Digital Design have been deleted and protected. But Lugee and 59.113.17.202 are reposting them and other STUT stuff under different titles. Someone please sort out this mess. -- RHaworth 00:26, 16 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep and remove from AFD. There is no dispute regarding the notability of a university, this is not the appropriate forum to list copyright violations. Silensor 00:44, 16 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment Has been speedied as blatant copyvio by Jeffrey O. Gustafson. RHaworth, if you see any more of these, and can verify that they are copyvios (Google searches usually work well), the appropriate thing is to follow the procedure described in WP:CSD A8, namely insert a tag in the article
- {{db-copyvio|url=url of source}}
- and notify uploader on their talk page with:
- {{nothanks-sd|pg=page name|url=url of source}} -- ~~~~
- As noted, I have redeleted it. Users Lugee and Abcancer (likely the same person) have been indescriminantly copying material from the university's websites en masse, usualy with entirely unencycopedic titles. They have been warned, and asked to submit original material. I have re-unprotected Southern Taiwan University of Technology - hopefully someone will put up a real article. --Jeffrey O. Gustafson - Shazaam! - <*> 01:45, 16 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]
- That someone is me, consider it done. Silensor 06:16, 16 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]
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The result of the debate was delete. Sjakkalle (Check!) 08:20, 23 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]
Tragic, but not encyclopaedic. Pilatus 00:35, 16 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete Agree as to tragedy, but does not belong. Jtmichcock 00:45, 16 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment The text smells like a copyvio to me - at the very least, it's probably been cut and pasted from somewhere else, with or without permission. Whether this belongs in an encyclopedia or not is not really covered by this article at all. How much notoriety did the case get? Did it have any wider effects? For example, did any laws change? Did police procedure change? Did any charities or movements get inspired by this murder? Was it used as the basis for a work of fiction? All of this would help. A murder on its own is not enough to get in the encyclopedia, but if it was a notable case, then it might. Matthew Brown 02:34, 16 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]
- Further, Google gets very few results for this case. For such a recent murder to be worth an article, one would expect more press coverage than this ... Matthew Brown 02:38, 16 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]
- The press coverage was nowhere near the Soham murders. Can't remember it hitting the headlines anywhere. Pilatus 02:48, 16 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete: A particular crime without a wider set of effects or celebrity. It is a horrible thing, and it's a sign perhaps of the wickedness of our Malthusian age that it's not with serious effects. More remember "Wragg is in custody" than Wragg. (A woman who murdered her infant.) Geogre 03:13, 16 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment: I feel bad defending a child murderer on this, but the article is riddled with POV language and appears to be written to disparage its subject. I'll drop a note on the British noticeboard to get some feedback. Perhaps coverage was better offline at that time. - Mgm|(talk) 09:46, 16 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]
- Left a note at: Wikipedia talk:UK Wikipedians' notice board. - Mgm|(talk) 09:51, 16 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete - it's a school essay about a crime that is more common than one would expect. It's too long than any article on this subject deserves, and did not have any effect on British legislation, unlike the Soham murders or Jamie Bulger's murder. All in all, it's a crap article about a non-notable incident. -- Francs2000 10:46, 16 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete Maccoinnich 10:59, 16 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete per above. Dottore So 11:02, 16 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete - having read the article I vaguely recall the case, but it had no effect on the legal system and therefore was not particularly notable. In any case, it reads like it's been lifted from some other source, somewhere. -- Arwel (talk) 13:17, 16 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]
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The result of the debate was merge then delete the original articles. —Cleared as filed. 22:14, 28 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]
Information is far too trivial. If really warranted, information could be merged into Ren and Stimpy. howcheng [ t • c • w • e ] 00:37, 16 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]
- Merge per nom. Owen× ☎ 00:42, 16 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]
- Merge with Ren and Stimpy
per nom. Please note that merging and moving pages do not need to come here under our policy.Capitalistroadster 00:50, 16 November 2005 (UTC)[reply] - Merge per above. The precedent as far as I've seen is DVD collections are generally not given their own articles but rather discussed in the main show article. (Unless the DVD is an original production, perhaps). 23skidoo 03:08, 16 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]
- Merge per nom. Jasmol 04:52, 16 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]
- Merge, but make sure you keep the list of episodes separate in a List of Ren & Stimpy episodes. - Mgm|(talk) 09:53, 16 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]
- Merge and let the editors at Ren and Stimpy fight over this; lucky them. Dottore So 11:03, 16 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment: Even after merging, the articles still need to be deleted. The title "Seasons one and two" could apply to any number of TV shows on DVD. I suppose the other two could remain as the titles seem to be unique and might be useful as search terms. --howcheng [ t • c • w • e ] 16:51, 16 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]
DELETE THIS!
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The result of the debate was Keep (13/4).--May the Force be with you! Shreshth91($ |-| r 3 $ |-| t |-|) 10:06, 20 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]
Not notable, WP:Autobiography Dbchip 00:56, 16 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment Vote withdrawn. No longer have strong feelings in either direction after details added. --Lucent 01:15, 16 November 2005 (UTC) --Lucent 08:56, 17 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep. This guy is a notable critic of Scientology in Germany. If we keep Barbara Schwarz we must keep him. Pilatus 01:51, 16 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]
- NN, D. We should delete the Schwarz article too. ComCat 02:24, 16 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]
- The voters of two AfDs didn't think we should. -- Antaeus Feldspar 02:36, 16 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep. I was actually undecided but Pilatus's argument is very convincing; Tilman Hausherr is far more notable than Barbara Schwarz and two separate AfDs both resulted in the keeping of that article. I have, however, added more information about what specifically makes Hausherr notable. -- Antaeus Feldspar 02:36, 16 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]
- Aye. Barbara Schwarz is a poor comparison. Let's say Tilman is the German equivalent to Dave Touretzky. Pilatus 02:40, 16 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]
- How exactly does "She was the president of the German branch of the Church of Scientology from August 3, 1983 until July 10, 1984." make Barbara Schwartz not notable? President of the Church of Scientology makes her a important figure in that religion. - Mgm|(talk) 09:57, 16 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]
- Sounds better than it is - "president" in Scientology is in fact a public speaker, not an executive. Shows up in talk shows, etc., is usually well drilled for that task, but has nothing to say within the organization. And president of the German Branch of Scientology in 1983 - that was the churches of Hamburg and Munich, and two smaller ones in Berlin and Düsseldorf, all of them managed by the management org in Copenhagen (by daily phone calls) - not by Barbara Schwartz or any German president. Actually, I could recall the names of the Executive Directors of the local churches, but I can't remember having heard of Barbara Schwartz in that time (I was on staff in Copenhagen at the time). Irmgard 10:14, 16 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]
- Glorified PR chief, eh? Whereas Tilman has spoken out often enough to be registered as an Enemy of the CoS on their RFW site, which accuses him of "religious intolerance" in an incredibly trumped-up manner. 206.114.20.121 17:55, 16 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]
- Barbara Schwarz only marginally rates an article for her CoS work. She really' gets one for her notable achievements in the area of the Freedom of Information Act - where a judge told her she'd have to pay for each request from now on, and the ACLU notably didn't shit - David Gerard 08:43, 18 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]
- Glorified PR chief, eh? Whereas Tilman has spoken out often enough to be registered as an Enemy of the CoS on their RFW site, which accuses him of "religious intolerance" in an incredibly trumped-up manner. 206.114.20.121 17:55, 16 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]
- Sounds better than it is - "president" in Scientology is in fact a public speaker, not an executive. Shows up in talk shows, etc., is usually well drilled for that task, but has nothing to say within the organization. And president of the German Branch of Scientology in 1983 - that was the churches of Hamburg and Munich, and two smaller ones in Berlin and Düsseldorf, all of them managed by the management org in Copenhagen (by daily phone calls) - not by Barbara Schwartz or any German president. Actually, I could recall the names of the Executive Directors of the local churches, but I can't remember having heard of Barbara Schwartz in that time (I was on staff in Copenhagen at the time). Irmgard 10:14, 16 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment it does sound like an article on the web site, or the German anti-scientology movement, would be a better article than this one. However, if we can address more of his anti-Scientology activism or whatever, this might be worthwhile. Matthew Brown 02:41, 16 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete, unless the article proves him notable enough. - splot 03:54, 16 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete but move the link to Hausherr's website to the Scientology article. Reyk 05:15, 16 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]
- Strong keep. Notable critic of Scientology, established by his appearance on the Scientology-sponsored website Religious Freedom Watch. Edwardian 06:15, 16 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]
- keep this too please this person is a notable critic really we can not erase this Yuckfoo 06:31, 16 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep per Edwardian and Pilatus. - Mgm|(talk) 09:59, 16 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep per Edwardian and Pilatus. Irmgard 10:03, 16 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep Significant critic of Scientology. Squiddy 14:54, 16 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]
- KEEP per Edwardian/Pilatus/Squiddy. 206.114.20.121 17:55, 16 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep, of course :-) There are 7 other Wikipedia articles that mention this entry. Tilman 19:12, 16 November 2005 (UTC)Tilman[reply]
- Keep. Gateman1997 22:11, 16 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep. NNN. Turnstep 00:21, 17 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep. Preaky 14:01, 17 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep - speaking as a subject area expert, he rates an article just for the Scientology stuff. He's also the author of the fairly popular Xenu's Link Sleuth weblink checker - David Gerard 08:43, 18 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]
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The result of the debate was speedied, no assertion of notability. --Phroziac(talk) 03:55, 16 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]
Not notable, WP:Autobiography Dbchip 00:58, 16 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete Being in a user group, even as an active member does not establish notoriety. If this is the limit of his accomplishments, delete. --Lucent 01:06, 16 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete: Barring some greater accomplishment, being an expert or having expertise is not sufficient. We don't allow Random J. Professor, and each is, by nature, an expert. Geogre 03:15, 16 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]
- Note: The article has been recreated, with more documentation. However, the additional material is merely more detail about the gentleman's publications. I still see no more effect on the world than the usual professor, so no change of vote by me. Geogre 14:49, 16 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]
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The result of the debate was delete. - Mailer Diablo 23:33, 22 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]
This is a review of the film (as so admitted by original editor in edit summary) and therefore original research. howcheng [ t • c • w • e ] 00:59, 16 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete: A review (original research). Geogre 03:15, 16 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete: As per nom. -=# Amos E Wolfe talk #=- 03:30, 16 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete. - splot 03:56, 16 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete. per WP:NOR. - Mgm|(talk) 10:01, 16 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]
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The result of the debate was redirect to Tumwater, Washington. - Mailer Diablo 23:37, 22 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]
Delightfully poetic, but page at Tumwater, Washington already covers this and more. Alcon San Croix 00:59, 16 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]
- Redirect to Tumwater, Washington. If there are any other Tumwaters of consequence, it could be
redirecteda disambiguation but I don't think that there are. Capitalistroadster 01:16, 16 November 2005 (UTC)[reply] - Redirect, as Capitalistroadster suggests. Geogre 03:16, 16 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]
- Redirect, but can we keep a bit of the poetry? ;) - splot 03:57, 16 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]
- Redirect to Tumwater, Washington per Capitalistroadster. Yamaguchi先生 09:04, 16 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]
- Redirect, unlikely to need redirect, but let's keep the option open. - Mgm|(talk) 10:02, 16 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]
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The result of the debate was NO CONSENSUS. — JIP | Talk 06:45, 23 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]
Most of these, rather than being any sort of pun, are simply lame attacks on people. There are no references, no cites, and no reason to believe that this page will be anything but a dropping ground for whatever dumb nickname people come up with for the famous people they dislike. —Cleared as filed. 01:14, 16 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete- nothing but personal attacks. Reyk 01:46, 16 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep, but only to the extent that refs can be sourced (by something other than a blog, please). Move to a better name, too. Yes, this is "nothing but personal attacks", but not the author's own inventions - rather, a sort of anthropological record of personal attacks (and some complimentary alliterations) historically made by others. BD2412 T 02:01, 16 November 2005 (UTC)
- 'Valid and potentially interesting topic, crap content, which is a keep, I guess. I tried doing the cleanup, a while ago; reverted shortly thereafter. Didn't have the heart to fight it, but sourcing isn't the least of our problems - most of that page isn't actually any form of pun, and many of the ones that are puns are so contrived I have a hard time classing them as that. Ho hum. Shimgray | talk | 02:27, 16 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]
- I removed a set of not-puns, going for a nice scattershot effect across the political spectrum. But this is riddled with them, and some are actually pretty interesting - there's some historically notable nicknames there - in the UK, Howard's "Dracula", Chamberlain's "Great Appeaser", or the wonderful "Chat-show Charlie"; in the US, "Tailgunner Joe" which it would be nice to have collected. A lot of the puns that aren't just examples of "made up 'cause I think it sounds funny" (cf/ Ulysses S. Graft) are/were actually in use as nicknames - "Dumbya" or "Bliar" are pretty common, I remember "Clintonista" cropping up a good bit (though not as a personal nickname), and a collation of these is encyclopedic - especially when we start going back to the c19th, politics used to run on this stuff. So, I've rolled back, and suggest...
- Rename to List of perjorative political nicknames, keep all the stuff that's actually a) verifiable and b) ever got used in any significant amount, and see what it looks like then. (Alternately, rename to simply List of political nicknames, and bring in the positive ones, too... which I suppose is probably a better idea. We already have List of U.S. Presidential nicknames, and the wonderful Politician and personality nicknaming in Quebec, could bring in stuff from List of nicknames of historical personages... it has potential. Shimgray | talk | 02:47, 16 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]
Rename and ruthlessly purge and source. The POV explanations have to go, too. Matthew Brown 02:48, 16 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep as per the brilliant BDA. Notable. CanadianCaesar 03:06, 16 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete: "Good topic/bad content" is, for me, a clear delete, but I think it's a bad topic, too. While we wait for the ideal authors to emerge and correct the mess, we have persistent "crap," and there's simply no need for that. The ideal author will create a new page as certainly as remedy this morass. However, a "pun" is in the ear of the beholder, and "pejorative" is in the ear of the beholder, and the list of such doubly subjective things would serve no actual purpose in that it would not be exportable, nor would it illuminate any other subject. Thus, it is inherenly POV and does not serve the function of a list. Geogre 03:19, 16 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]
- This is a tough call. Delete, due to insensitivity. How would you like to be made fun of? It's more of a discussion topic amongst friends, or a joke in some casual form, but not in an encyclopedia. - splot 04:00, 16 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep per BD2412. — FREAK OF NURxTURE (TALK)
- Delete this silly, recentist listcruft. Marskell 10:03, 16 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete per above. Dottore So 11:32, 16 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete per SpLoT and Geogre. Anville 11:54, 16 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep, many of these pejorative nicknames are valid and notable. All we need to check out for POV violations - items that claim a particular politician is something, other than he/she is called something. — JIP | Talk 17:38, 16 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep, though major refactoring is in order (it can be dealt with once the AFD is dispensed with). Agree with others that all entries must be sourced; and that POV material should be removed. (Note--explainations of an insult are OK as long as they are couched with appropriate disclaimer--Wikipedia must not take the position that a given politician, right or left, is bad). Note: Were a suitable refactoring to be proposed which included deletion of this page, I might vote to delete--but absent a concrete proposal for a better home for the content here, my vote is to keep. --EngineerScotty 19:03, 16 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep for delightful alliteration (though, sadly, moving it to List of pejorative political nicknames may be necessary). Add clean-up and cite-sources tags instead of VfD ones, fellas! Think of stuff like this from a long-term rather than a short-term perspective, as Wikipedia's not on a deadline: it's easier to have a mediocre article and slowly improve it over the years than to repeatedly delete and undelete it again and again until finally everyone's satisfied. If the subject matter's good and the article sucks, improve the article! -Silence 22:01, 16 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]
- Well, the point I was making in the nomination was that the subject matter sucks too. Obviously not everyone agrees. —Cleared as filed. 22:04, 16 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]
- Then perhaps the dispute is semantic. There's not a lot of difference between whether we delete this article and make a new one for a general "list of pejorative nicknames" of sorts, or whether we move it to a new title and completely restructure and rewrite it, citing sources. It's just slightly easier to do the latter, since we have actual material to work with. -Silence 22:16, 16 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]
- keep please bd2412 is right we should write about the sourced puns Yuckfoo 23:09, 16 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep. Sources would be nice - looks like someone has started to do so under the George Bush entry. Maybe make at least one external inline ref a pre-requisite for new additions. Unsourced ones could be maintained on the talk page or a sublist thereof until ready to move over. Turnstep 00:24, 17 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete as inherently POV listcruft. MCB 07:14, 18 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete list of puns? Half of these are not really puns, but rather random name-calling. Grue 18:11, 18 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]
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The result of the debate was speedied, no assertion of notability. brenneman(t)(c) 06:29, 16 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]
Bio of non-notable grade 12 student Dlyons493 01:26, 16 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]
- Speedy delete as per my nom. Don't think Winner of Victory Christian Schools Highest Award is a valid claim to notability. Dlyons493 Talk 01:27, 16 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]
- Speedy Delete under category A7 non-notable biography. Supposedly known as "Captain Charisma" because he is the top salesman in his store and the winner of the Victory Christian Schools highest award. Also, supposedly a budding professional wrestler. However, according to Google, it hasn't budded very much as a search for "Daniel Johnstone" wrestler comes up with 4 hits, none of which are relevant see [1]. Capitalistroadster 01:59, 16 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]
- Speedy deleted by me: The "claims of notability" were that he won a school award, works at an electronics store, and is an "amateur professional wrestler" (which is like being a little bit pregnant or having jumbo shrimp or the world's tallest midget). Geogre 03:21, 16 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]
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The result of the debate was Delete. Ral315 (talk) 03:19, 22 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]
A web site. The article presents no evidence of notability. dbenbenn | talk 01:30, 16 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete: WP is not a web guide. This is a site about Id software, instead of, alas, a set of displays about archaic libido. Geogre 03:22, 16 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete, as above. - splot 04:01, 16 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete, site shows boxes for id titles and gives their release year and has a forum. All the products by id Software are already adequately covered on Wikipedia in the company article and this site doesn't offer any real information. Run-of-the-mill fansite. - Mgm|(talk) 10:08, 16 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete Can be covered in the company's article. Carina22 12:39, 16 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete per Geogre Dbchip 18:56, 16 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete Preaky 14:04, 17 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]
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The result of the debate was delete. - Mailer Diablo 11:48, 22 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]
Non-notable running club. ERcheck 01:44, 16 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete Per nomination. Self-promotion. ERcheck 01:44, 16 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete per nom. -=# Amos E Wolfe talk #=- 03:30, 16 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete per nom. Jasmol 04:51, 16 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]
- keep: Running clubs might seem inconsequential outside the running community, but the criteria for an article's notability quite rightly relates to the significance of the subject matter within the relevant community. Apparently, the club hails from a large suburb within the 5th largest metro area in North America. The demographics of this fast growing region indicate this apparently cohesive running club will likely grow rapidly also. The fact that only a handful of running clubs have articles in the Wiki indicates that this niche has been badly neglected. Until a critical mass of such articles can be amassed to provide a gauge, it seems premature to decide this particlular club is not yet worth inclusion. Ombudsman 11:02, 16 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]
- delete Very non-notable. -EnSamulili 11:19, 16 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]
- delete of course. Andrew Lenahan - Starblind 13:23, 16 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete as NN. "Will likely grow" is not good enough. Recreate when/if they reach the notability standards for WP. Don't forget the Running maniacs redirect as well when deleting. Turnstep 00:28, 17 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete. I'm a Torontonian and I still don't think a running group in Bowmanville is notable. Bearcat 01:56, 17 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete. Preaky 14:06, 17 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]
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The result of the debate was boldly redirected to List of minor Star Wars Jedi characters. BD2412 T 14:28, 16 November 2005 (UTC)
Non-notable Star Wars article. --WikiFanaticTalk Contribs 19:47, 15 November 2005 (CDT)
- Redirect to List of minor Star Wars Jedi characters, where the character is already described in greater detail. BD2412 T 01:54, 16 November 2005 (UTC)
- Redirect as above. -=# Amos E Wolfe talk #=- 03:31, 16 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]
- Redirect per BDA. Flowerparty 06:15, 16 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]
- Redirect minor Star Wars characters to the list per BDA. - Mgm|(talk) 10:08, 16 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]
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The result of the debate was NO CONSENSUS. — JIP | Talk 12:03, 24 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]
not notable, one sentence article Skrewler 02:03, 16 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete. Not notable, plus amount of google search results greatly over exaggerated due to various blog indexes linking to the site. --Timecop 02:11, 16 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete. -- Femmina 02:13, 16 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]
- NN blogcruft, delete. ComCat 02:25, 16 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep Notable British blog nearly two million Google results for Samizdata see [2] Three Google news results [3]. We need criteria in WP:WEB covering blogs. We have them for Web Comics which are far less important in the scheme of things. Capitalistroadster 02:35, 16 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]
- All 3 google news links are to blogs, which actually have nothing to do with the Samizdata site. Also out of 2 million google results, a huge portion is blog indexes linking to the site. --Timecop 02:43, 16 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete. useless 65.34.232.136 02:59, 16 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment. Samizdata is an extremely well known politics blog. However, I would be surprised if there is a literature about the blog that would satisfy the requirements of WP:V. Certainly I don't think anything more than a couple of sentences could be written about it in encyclopedic fashion. Wikipedia does not exist to serve as a directory of everything in existence. It is an encyclopedia: it covers subjects which have already been studied and/or reported on, and about which there is at least some literature that will satisfy the citation and verificatory requirements of an tertiary reference. I am therefore inclined to ask for a
delete. I can be persuaded to ask for a redirect, either to an article on the Russian theme behind the name or to a general article on politics blogs. encephalon 03:05, 16 November 2005 (UTC) Update: A redirect to Samizdat is sensible. encephalon 10:26, 16 November 2005 (UTC)[reply] - Merge this one-liner somewhere near the bottom of Samizdat and redirect the title. — FREAK OF NURxTURE (TALK) 07:04, 16 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep Editors should be aware that this page has been targetted by a systematic effort by several users to erase all blog-related entires. The organzing list is here. Editors should also be aware of the systemic bias identified in Wikipedia against non-American content.--Simon.Pole 09:00, 16 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]
- This has nothing to do with systematic bias or other bullshit. This is a vanity page for a BLOG. --Timecop 09:05, 16 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]
- No. The bullshit is systematically targetting all blog-related entries for deletion. That is a profound level of bullshit. Quite extraordinary, really.--Simon.Pole 09:12, 16 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]
- This has nothing to do with systematic bias or other bullshit. This is a vanity page for a BLOG. --Timecop 09:05, 16 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]
- Will the both of you kindly mind WP:CIVIL? Thanks. I'm sure you can both express your opinions on the merits of the page with your customary decorum. Regards encephalon 09:16, 16 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]
- Merge and redirect to Samizdat per Freakofnurture. None of the Google News links are about the blog (only mention it in passing) is it cited by some source like the BBC or something? - Mgm|(talk) 10:15, 16 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]
- keep Blogs are a sister phenomenon comparable in significance to Wikis, if not more so, and this blog certainly appears to be notable. No reason to discard this prior to determining a policy on blogs. Ombudsman 10:41, 16 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete or merge. -EnSamulili 11:18, 16 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete blogs, generally, do not require encyclopedic treatment and this is no exception. Simon.Pole's outburst is surprising: the presence of an organised effort to remove such entries is perfectly acceptable insofar as there are legitimate grounds to contest the validity of such entries. If the effort leads to a consensus to keep or delete, all the better, no? Dottore So 11:37, 16 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment: Delete blogs generally? I hope not. That would kill of Slashdot as well which certainly needs encyclopedic treatment. That's the danger of generalizing. - Mgm|(talk) 12:01, 16 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]
- You misread my comment. I said blogs, generally - not blogs, universally. I would vote to keep Slashdot absolutely and many others. But there are millions of blogs and imo the vast majority of them don't meet the standard for an entry. I think that about most schools though, so it may just be that my forked tail is souring my mood and obscuring my vision. Dottore So 12:19, 16 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete Worthless, worthless, worthless. Did I say 'worthless'? --86.2.56.178 12:14, 16 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment User 86.2.56.178 seems to be a sock puppet. His contributions [4] suspiciously enough are mostly (>95%) about AfD'ing blog-related articles. Looks like those ppl in that group that wants to systematically delete all blog stuff. __earth 17:27, 16 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]
- Merge per FoN --anetode╔╝ 12:21, 16 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete Good SEO doesn't make something notable. Has enough vanity outside of the humble walls of wikipedia. --Depakote 12:44, 16 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment: I don't know enough about British political blogs to vote here, but the site's Alexa rank is 112,821. -Hapsiainen 13:19, 16 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep. Pretty well-known in UK. Seems to be an important voice in the British libertarian movement (such as it is). Perodicticus 15:19, 16 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep. Influential libertarian blog. If keep loses to delete, I'll go for merge. __earth 17:12, 16 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep/Expand notable and well known in the political blog world. I agree with Capitalistroadster, there needs to be some sort of handy litmus for blogs. Anyone want to work on this with me? Jessamyn 17:50, 16 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment Notability assertion per the Guardian "Samizdata, by some measures the nation's most successful independent blog, claims around 15,000 different visitors a day;" [5]
- Keep. Certainly notable. If size is the bother, and an {{expand}} tag. Turnstep 00:37, 17 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete. Not encyclopedic drivvle. -Incognito 13:26, 17 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment Samizdata highlighted as an important blog in the Guardian newspaper, Nov 17, 2005.--Simon.Pole 00:13, 18 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep, very well-known blog. Rhobite 03:39, 18 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete and redirect to samizdat. Looks like yet another lame blog. Grue 18:12, 18 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep. Very noteworthy blog. --Daniel11 01:47, 20 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep per CapitalistRoadster. These blog nomiations seem to suggest a need for some sort of blog policy guidelines. Jacqui★ 19:20, 20 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]
- Merge to Samizdat. Failing consensus to do that, delete. Mentioned in the gaurdian, which has had some good coverage of blogs. However, in general blogs fail WP:V and WP:CITE, this looks to be no excpetion. Doesn't need to have it's own article. - brenneman(t)(c) 02:44, 23 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment I'm aware that this is probably useless, based upon the string of pure "votes" above, but oh well... This is not a vote. Unless you have some evidence of something's notability, please don't simply say "keep, notable". Provide some links, citations in major media, references in popular culture, arguments as to why you think it's notable, anything. Even if it is just "like foo said above". Otherwise what your simply saying is "keep because I've heard of it." A closer with a tiny bit of chutzpa would have a good argument for discounting any such opinion. brenneman(t)(c) 02:44, 23 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]
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The result of the debate was DELETE. This is an A1 and A3 (linkspam) speedy, and so the deleters have things heavily on their side. I am firmly discounting Hipocrite's comment: it is not an appropriate way to participate in AfD. I find Gateman1997 and Yuckfoo to have extremely weak positions having cited no reason at all for their recommendation. If either of them had put their article edits where their comments are, then things would clearly be different. Jtmichcock on the other hand at least has something to say. If Hipocrite wants a Deletion Review, s/he is free to request one himself. -Splashtalk 04:16, 27 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]
NN, D ComCat 02:08, 16 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete- Non-notable Deyyaz 04:16, 16 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete nearly qualifies for db-empty tag. Jasmol 04:50, 16 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete, substub, has one incoming link according to Google. Google also finds 42 pages in the same domain. Utterly non-notable. - Mgm|(talk) 10:20, 16 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep Malformed AFD. Hipocrite - «Talk» 13:37, 16 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete and please stop voting to "keep" because of the nomination. Note the incorrect nomination, if you wish, but do not suggest that Wikipedia keep an "article" that is merely a predicate nominative because of that nomination. The article could easily be a speedy for lack of content. Geogre 15:07, 16 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]
- Note also that user:Hipocrite states on his talk page that he has not read the articles nominated by ComCat that he is voting "keep" on. They should not, therefore, be regarded as deliberations on the article but rather as some sort of point. Geogre 20:35, 16 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]
- I have made no such statement regarding reading the article. If my votes are disregarded by the closer and that results in a different result than if my vote was regarded, I request that the closer bring this article to deletion review voluntarily. Hipocrite - «Talk» 14:56, 18 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]
- Note also that user:Hipocrite states on his talk page that he has not read the articles nominated by ComCat that he is voting "keep" on. They should not, therefore, be regarded as deliberations on the article but rather as some sort of point. Geogre 20:35, 16 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep and expand.Gateman1997 22:13, 16 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]
- keep and expand this please Yuckfoo 23:08, 16 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep and expand per above. They appear to have a number of participants and articles for a new venture. Jtmichcock 02:44, 17 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete as non-notable. Wikipedia is not a web directory. → Ξxtreme Unction {yakłblah} 12:08, 21 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]
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The result of the debate was that there's some things in life money can't buy, for everything else there's BJAODN. - Mailer Diablo 22:36, 22 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]
UE nonsense, delete. ComCat 02:11, 16 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]
- Deleteo Descendall 02:22, 16 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete No es enciclopédico. --Metropolitan90 02:32, 16 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete. POV essay describing unsubstantiated phenomenon. Contravenes WP:NOT, WP:NOR. encephalon 02:52, 16 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete as original research. By the way, ComCat what does UE mean in English. It would make it much easier for us considering your nominations for you to explain what they mean and why you are nominating something. Capitalistroadster 02:59, 16 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]
- dont delete it is a good article with some good facts — Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.246.131.89 (talk • contribs) 03:31, 2005 November 16
- Delete It's total nonsense. Cynicism addict 03:32, 16 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]
- dont delete its the best article keep it now or ill be very very agrivated — Preceding unsigned comment added by 209.30.149.215 (talk • contribs) 03:32, 2005 November 16 (comment also edited by 70.246.131.89 (talk · contribs) at 03:34, 2005 November 16)
- Delete No place-o in Wiki-o-pedia, as above-o. I believe UE = Un-Encyclopedic. -=# Amos E Wolfe talk #=- 03:38, 16 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment check out these "testimonials" on the Talk page. Priceless! -=# Amos E Wolfe talk #=- 03:46, 16 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]
- BJAODN, especially the talk page testimonials. -- stillnotelf has a talk page 05:59, 16 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]
- Borrado... I mean delete. Unreferenced, Unencyclopedic. - Mgm|(talk) 10:25, 16 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]
- Obliterate I tried this when I was in Spanish, and my teacher only made fun of me. WAAAH!!!! DIE FAKE SPANISH!!!!!!!!!!!! DIE DIE DIE DIE DIE DIE DIE DIE DIE DIE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
- This is so obviously a Delete that I almost lose my faith in the deletion process. It is embarrassingly idiotic. Logophile 13:28, 16 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]
- Speedy delete patent {{nonsense}}. Very weak redirect to Spanglish (after deletion of course). — FREAK OF NURxTURE (TALK) 14:55, 16 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]
- Move to Fake espanish Demi T/C 15:18, 16 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]
- WP:-O — Haeleth Talk 17:57, 16 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]
- BJAODN and Delete funny --Jaranda(watz sup) 18:00, 16 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]
- Kill and maim. Snout | rummage 18:36, 16 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]
- El BJAODN-O mas rapidamente, por favor. Youngamerican 18:52, 16 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]
- Really Delete this fake article; as soon as possible. Paolo Liberatore (Talk) 20:16, 16 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep and then Delete it until the sun comes up.Gateman1997 22:12, 16 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]
- BJAODN for sure. —Cleared as filed. 22:27, 16 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete but not quite BJAODN worthy. Turnstep 00:58, 17 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete as ridiculous. This isn't Spanglish, which is where a person who speaks English and Spanish transposes terms and words, it's kids in Spanish class making up words in class. Non-encylopedic. Jtmichcock 02:47, 17 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete. Nonsense. Sjakkalle (Check!) 10:02, 17 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete. Preaky 14:08, 17 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment. I'd vote delete as well, but it's already on BJAODN. Can we get rid of it now? --WAvegetarian 01:57, 18 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]
- Speedio deleto as patent nonsenso. It's already forever remembered in BJAODN. --Idont Havaname 05:33, 22 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]
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The result of the debate was No consensus - default to keep JtkieferT | C | @ ---- 00:46, 23 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]
NN, D ComCat 02:13, 16 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete as per nom Bwithh 02:37, 16 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep The nominator knows that this won't be deleted and should be reprimanded for wasting other wikipedian's time. CalJW 02:53, 16 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]
- Your vote is to delete this article and yet, you complain that the nomination is a waste of time. I wonder if either your vote or your comments are misplaced? -- malo (talk)/(contribs) 04:13, 16 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete per nomination. Durova 03:08, 16 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete: Just a high school, doing the groovy things that high schools do. Much like the last and the next. Geogre 03:23, 16 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep as per Wikipedia:Schools/Arguments#Keep. Nominator has a history of frivolous nominations. Silensor 04:04, 16 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]
- Having a history of friviolous nominations is no reason to oppose a nomination. It's about the article. - Mgm|(talk) 10:33, 16 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]
- The vote is about the nomination, not the nominator. FYI...
- There are approximately 6 billion human beings on earth. Conservatively, estimate that 1 billion of those are of primary or secondary school age. Again conservatively, estimate that only half of those actually attend school. If every school has 1000 students, then that presents 500,000 separate article candidates for the schools category alone. This number is equal to 60% of the total current English language articles and nearly seven times the entire Spanish language Wikipedia. In order to keep such a group updated it would take 685 editors each verifying and editing one article every day without holiday for two years. Durova 05:05, 16 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]
- We'd better start deleting all those American villages then, in case people start adding the 500,000 villages in India. Kappa 12:33, 16 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]
- Good idea. A village of 250 people is not notable, and Wikipedia is not a census database. When would you like us to start? — Haeleth Talk 18:05, 16 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]
- Cities, towns, and villages can be updated by bots. Not so with schools. Durova 03:12, 17 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]
- Good idea. A village of 250 people is not notable, and Wikipedia is not a census database. When would you like us to start? — Haeleth Talk 18:05, 16 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]
- We'd better start deleting all those American villages then, in case people start adding the 500,000 villages in India. Kappa 12:33, 16 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment Some very productive discussion is going on at Wikipedia talk:Schools. Please join us and help shape future policy regarding school articles. Denni ☯ 05:15, 16 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete nothing to see here. Fine school, I'm sure, but not encyclopedic. - brenneman(t)(c) 06:23, 16 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]
- keep please this is a good article and we have a consensus not to erase schools now Yuckfoo 06:28, 16 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]
- delete - no known notable alumni. — FREAK OF NURxTURE (TALK) 06:34, 16 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete. --Nlu 06:35, 16 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep Dlyons493 Talk 08:07, 16 November 2005 (UTC) (out of seq keep vote to reiterate a point).[reply]
- Merge with Hickory, North Carolina. See Wikipedia:Schools/Arguments#Merge. Sjakkalle (Check!) 08:09, 16 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep this appears to be one of the highest ranking schools within the state of North Carolina. Yamaguchi先生 09:04, 16 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete as no notability asserted. Marskell 10:08, 16 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]
- Weak keep "Today the school is rated in the top ten percentile of all schools within the state of North Carolina." Based on what? Test scores, graduation rate, number of students? This needs to be explained. - Mgm|(talk) 10:33, 16 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]
- That's just one of the problems with school rankings. SAT score, graduation rate, retention, college placement, performance on state-wide exit exams, number of "well qualified teachers" (per No Child), teacher/student ratio, etc. are all ways to be "best" or "worst," which is one of many reasons that these claims really shouldn't figure in the debate over the worth of an article on a public high school. (I've lived in 3 states that were "48th in the nation" in public education.) Geogre 15:10, 16 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete, another identikit article of no non-local interest. "The colors of the school are red, black, gray and white." Awesome! --Last Malthusian 11:01, 16 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete nn school. Dottore So 11:38, 16 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete nn school. Catchpole 11:59, 16 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep per Wikipedia:Schools/Arguments#Keep. Kappa 12:33, 16 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep Valid article with useful information. Carina22 12:40, 16 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep Nominator has history of AFD abuse, please see Wikipedia:Requests for comment/ComCat. Hipocrite - «Talk» 13:44, 16 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]
- Objection, the nominator is not on trial. Chris talk back 12:46, 17 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep as above. Trollderella 16:14, 16 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep, notable. Christopher Parham (talk) 16:21, 16 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep or Merge Some very productive discussion is going on at Wikipedia talk:Schools. Please join us and help shape future policy regarding school articles. David D. (Talk) 17:29, 16 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep, all high schools with 3+ sentence verifiable articles.Gateman1997 17:48, 16 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep per Gateman and Wikipedia talk:Schools. High schools are notable --Jaranda(watz sup) 17:56, 16 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]
Delete in an ideal parallel universe where Wikipedia is run on encyclopedic principles. Merge into a town or school district article in a slightly less ideal parallel universe where school inclusionists exist but are willing to listen to reason and consider compromise. Sadly, in this universe, U.S. high schools will inevitably be kept. — Haeleth Talk 18:05, 16 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]- Vote withdrawn after reading the debates at Wikipedia talk:Schools, and apologies to the "keep" voters for my failure to assume good faith. No vote while I rethink my position on schools. And I strongly encourage all voters, whatever they have voted, to read Wikipedia talk:Schools#Summary, proposal if they have not done so already. — Haeleth Talk 20:38, 16 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]
- It's well gone over. There is not and will be no consensus. You either find them notable or you don't. Marskell 22:13, 16 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]
- This is of course the minority opinion. So far the majority has been coming to a very good consensus over at WP:SCH that is working for all sides. I encourage everyone to contribute.Gateman1997 03:38, 17 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]
- It's well gone over. There is not and will be no consensus. You either find them notable or you don't. Marskell 22:13, 16 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]
- Vote withdrawn after reading the debates at Wikipedia talk:Schools, and apologies to the "keep" voters for my failure to assume good faith. No vote while I rethink my position on schools. And I strongly encourage all voters, whatever they have voted, to read Wikipedia talk:Schools#Summary, proposal if they have not done so already. — Haeleth Talk 20:38, 16 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete no listed notable graduates, nor any other particular indication of naotability given. DES (talk) 18:13, 16 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep Consensus on keeping HS articles has seemingly been met with no consensus being the consensus. Keep this and all verifiable HSs until this is settled once and for all, likely in a steel-cage death match. Youngamerican 18:55, 16 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete per Haeleth. Nandesuka 20:00, 16 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep until a good reason is advanced not to. Turnstep 01:54, 17 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete The nominator knows that this won't be deleted and that this nomination is a waste of time. But that doesn't mean there's consensus. Gazpacho 07:36, 17 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep piling on keeps. —RaD Man (talk) 09:58, 17 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep. Pointless nomination. --Andylkl 17:46, 17 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep. -- DS1953 [[User talk:DS1953|<sup>talk</sup>]] 02:13, 20 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]
- delete no claim of notability Pete.Hurd 18:41, 20 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]
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The result of the debate was Speedy delete. Geogre performed the deletion. WikiFanatic 03:48, 16 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]
NN, D ComCat 02:12, 16 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete. Being the winner of a high school's "sexiest voice" contest would not be enough to warrant a Wikipedia article ... and the subject of this article was just the runner-up. --Metropolitan90 02:34, 16 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]
- Speedy delete as an A7 non-notable biography. Runner up in a high school competition is not an assertion of notability. Capitalistroadster 03:10, 16 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]
- Speedy deleted by me: claim was that some dude had the sexiest voice in his high school. Geogre 03:25, 16 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]
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The result of the debate was GARGLE TREE. -Splashtalk 04:36, 27 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]
NN, D ComCat 02:16, 16 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete as per nom Bwithh 02:37, 16 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep Good start. CalJW 02:53, 16 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete non-notable. Durova 03:10, 16 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep as per Wikipedia:Schools/Arguments#Keep. Silensor 04:08, 16 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment Some very productive discussion is going on at Wikipedia talk:Schools. Please join us and help shape future policy regarding school articles. Denni ☯ 05:15, 16 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]
- Merge with Topsham (town), Maine. Failing that, Delete. - brenneman(t)(c) 06:23, 16 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]
- 'keep please this is an interesting article about a important school Yuckfoo 06:29, 16 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]
- Can you expand on why you find this particular school important? - Mgm|(talk) 10:35, 16 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]
- all of them are important we do not erase schools that can be verified that is the consensus Yuckfoo 23:11, 16 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]
- No, that is the 'non consensus'. No consensus is keep. Keep is NOT the consensus, although it is the reality. David D. (Talk) 23:52, 16 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]
- Thank you, Dr. Phil. —RaD Man (talk) 09:49, 17 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]
- Nice evasion as usual. David D. (Talk) 04:12, 20 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]
- Thank you, Dr. Phil. —RaD Man (talk) 09:49, 17 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]
- No, that is the 'non consensus'. No consensus is keep. Keep is NOT the consensus, although it is the reality. David D. (Talk) 23:52, 16 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]
- all of them are important we do not erase schools that can be verified that is the consensus Yuckfoo 23:11, 16 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]
- Can you expand on why you find this particular school important? - Mgm|(talk) 10:35, 16 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete - no known notable alumni. — FREAK OF NURxTURE (TALK) 06:31, 16 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep Dlyons493 Talk 08:11, 16 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]
- Merge with Topsham (town), Maine. See Wikipedia:Schools/Arguments#Merge. Sjakkalle (Check!) 08:11, 16 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]
- Merge and redirect per above. - Mgm|(talk) 10:35, 16 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete nn school Catchpole 12:01, 16 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete or fail that merge Dottore So 12:38, 16 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep Valid article. Carina22 12:41, 16 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep all schools Wikipedia:Requests for comment/ComCat. Hipocrite - «Talk» 13:35, 16 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep or Merge Some very productive discussion is going on at Wikipedia talk:Schools. Please join us and help shape future policy regarding school articles. David D. (Talk) 17:30, 16 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]
- Merge any thing under the high school level. per Wikipedia talk:Schools --Jaranda(watz sup) 18:04, 16 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]
- delete I see no particular evidence of notability. DES (talk) 18:11, 16 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete this NN school. Wait! Does "their mascot is the eagle" confer notability?? Alas, no. Marskell 18:14, 16 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep, meets low end requirements being deveoloped at WP:SCH, however it could stand to be expanded.Gateman1997 19:54, 16 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]
- How can we delete “the only middle school in the Maine School Administrative District 75”? How? Delete Paolo Liberatore (Talk) 20:28, 16 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep. Please stop nominating, ComCat, your point is made. While it's your right, I think it is a waste of everyone's time as it is not likely that any are going to get a AfD consensus at least until further consensus is reaced on the school talk page. Can you at least stick to one a day? Turnstep 02:21, 17 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete but ComCat should take WP:POINT more seriously and should write good-faith nominations in English, not bureacratese. Gazpacho 07:39, 17 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]
- EXTREME KEEP while riding a bicycle. —RaD Man (talk) 09:49, 17 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep. Pointless nomination. --Andylkl 17:48, 17 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep and expand, as per Wikipedia:Schools/Arguments#Keep. Carioca 06:27, 18 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep per Wikipedia:Schools/Arguments#Keep. -- DS1953 [[User talk:DS1953|<sup>talk</sup>]] 02:15, 20 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]
- delete no claim of notability Pete.Hurd 18:37, 20 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]
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The result of the debate was NO CONSENSUS. I am firmly discounting Hipocrite's comment again, and am pleased to see a similar one by another editor withdrawn. There are decent, if minimal, arguments made for retaining the content so there's no consensus to delete. Someone does need to fix the article and its title, though. -Splashtalk 04:19, 27 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]
NN, D ComCat 02:10, 16 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete. This is a poorly written article about an episode of a television series. --Metropolitan90 07:07, 16 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete per Metropolitan90 — FREAK OF NURxTURE (TALK) 07:07, 16 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]
Keepmalformed afd Dlyons493 Talk 08:12, 16 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]- So fix it. Please vote based on the article. - Mgm|(talk) 10:37, 16 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]
- Split episodes and keep. Ren & Stimpy episodes are notable even if they are in a crummy format. - Mgm|(talk) 10:37, 16 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete: The content isn't worth preserving in these particular cases. Secondly, it's a double episode in a single article, so arguments about the show are somewhat beside the point. This article is unusable to researchers and is at an unsearchable title. Geogre 10:48, 16 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]
- Hence my comment to split the article (see Category:Pages to be split). Cherish your move button! - Mgm|(talk) 11:51, 16 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep Malformed AFD. Hipocrite - «Talk» 13:38, 16 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]
- Please vote on the article, not the nominator or do not vote. Protesting someone's "abuse of AFD" by abusing AFD is, in fact, similar grounds for RfC. Let's not do that, folks. Geogre 15:12, 16 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete per Geogre. Dottore So 15:31, 16 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]
- keep please we have simpsons and south park episodes too Yuckfoo 23:12, 16 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete per Geogre. Also registering my agreement with Geogre and Mgm in re: the fact that people should vote on AfD based on the contents of the article alone, and whether that article meets the criteria for deletion. Voting on the merits of the nominator is bogus, and pretty much a textbook example of argumentum ad hominem. → Ξxtreme Unction {yakłblah} 12:16, 21 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep, per Yuckfoo. Kappa 12:47, 25 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was delete. —Celestianpower háblame 16:22, 25 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]
This article just keeps on coming back, and seems to be a magnet for invention. On 2005-11-16 a blop was a "ball created from the tacky substance used on the back of adhesives", which was discussed and found wanting at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Blop/2005-11-16. On 2006-04-17 a blop was "a variation on chili-con-carne", which was deleted via {{prod}} on the grounds that there was no evidence to be found that this was true. Now, blopping is purportedly what bloggers do to one another.Yes, some participants on one single web site use this protologism. But Wikipedia is not a dictionary and there is nothing whatsoever written on the subject of blopping which can be used as source material for an encyclopaedia article about it, partly because the word's only properly attested meaning is something completely different: spluttering. (See Krister LINDEN and Jussi PIITULAINEN (2004-05-31). "Discovering Synonyms and Other Related Words" (PDF). CompuTerm 2004 — 3rd International Workshop on Computational Terminology.).
This article is at the wrong title, per our Wikipedia:Naming conventions (verbs), this meaning for this verb is a protologism, and there's apparently nothing to write about what blopping actually is. Uncle G 14:31, 19 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete, neologism. Recury 19:32, 19 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete per well-illustrated nom. Also, "What bloggers do to one another" doesn't bear thinking about QuagmireDog 23:07, 19 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]
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The result of the debate was DELETE. — JIP | Talk 15:34, 24 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]
University accomodation block. These have to be notable to be included. This one aint and is a badly formatted article full of student cruft. -- RHaworth 02:16, 16 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]
- Note there is also a redirect at Withworth Park. --howcheng [ t • c • w • e ] 19:59, 16 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]
- Speedy delete as reposted content that has been deleted before. -- Francs2000 02:18, 16 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete NN student residence Denni ☯ 05:26, 16 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete - campuscruft. — FREAK OF NURxTURE (TALK) 07:09, 16 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]
Weak keep, but major cleanup, or otherwisemerge and redirect salvageable material to the university they're part of. I would expect triangular houses to be a landmark in the city. (moved buried image to top). - Mgm|(talk) 10:47, 16 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]- I removed my keep in favor of merging per Geogre. - Mgm|(talk) 19:36, 16 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]
- Merge and redirect to Manchester University#Student life. Failing that, delete. Geogre 10:51, 16 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete nn hall --Jaranda(watz sup) 18:07, 16 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete or Merge if possible. Paolo Liberatore (Talk) 20:25, 16 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]
- Weak keep - the article makes a claim of architectural notability, but it's not one I'm qualified to judge. If the buildings really are at all famous, keep this; if not, merge per Geogre. — Haeleth Talk 20:54, 16 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]
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The result of the debate was No consensus - default to keep 11 delete/ 3 redirect - JtkieferT | C | @ ---- 22:33, 23 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]
NN, D ComCat 02:27, 16 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]
KeepRedirect malformed afd Dlyons493 Talk 08:14, 16 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]- Not a valid AFD vote, discounted by closing admin. JtkieferT | C | @ ---- 22:27, 23 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment Wikipedia is not a court of law. In the justice system, a clearly guilty person might get off on a technicality because the proper procedures have not been followed. In Wikipedia, a bad article does not escape deletion just because the AfD nomination was "malformed", whatever that means. My vote is delete. Reyk 23:25, 16 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]
Delete, family tree entry (said like this to avoid that 'g'-word I constantly misspell) - Mgm|(talk) 10:50, 16 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]- Delete: Genealogy. No claims of accomplishments (except birth, marriage, and fecundity). Geogre 10:53, 16 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete. Genealogy. -EnSamulili 11:15, 16 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment. I just found this article yesterday and added some content. Since it is not long and is unlikely for expansion, perhaps it should be added to a "Marriage and descedants" section on the article about her father? Her two siblings have their own articles. See: Maurice Macmillan and Lady Catherine Macmillan User:Dimadick
- Changed my mind. Redirect now Dimadick merged it in an appropriate place at Harold Macmillan. - Mgm|(talk) 11:49, 16 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete or redirect; a person with no particular accomplishments.PaddyBriggs 11:56, 16 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete Genealogy. Carina22 12:42, 16 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep Malformed AFD. Hipocrite - «Talk» 13:33, 16 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]
- No WP:POINT, please. Geogre 15:31, 16 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]
- There's no disruption in raising the bar. Hipocrite - «Talk» 15:56, 16 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]
- Indeed, there is. If you prevent deliberation of an article along the lines of the deletion guideline, you are preventing the functioning of the AfD process, which makes your actions disruptive. If you are considering the article and believe that it should be kept, that's fine. If you are just trying to war with another editor, that is wrong. Geogre 20:39, 16 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]
- No WP:POINT, please. Geogre 15:31, 16 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]
- Redirect per Mgm — FREAK OF NURxTURE (TALK) 14:57, 16 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]
- Redirect per Mgm faling that Delete --Jaranda(watz sup) 18:09, 16 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete, she fails WP:BIO, however this is also a malinformed AFD.Gateman1997 22:10, 16 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete. Preaky 14:15, 17 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete as per the numerous reasons provided at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Jerome Napoleon Charles Bonaparte and Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Louise-Eugénie Bonaparte, both of which were deleted by consensus. → Ξxtreme Unction {yakłblah} 12:23, 21 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]
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The result of the debate was KEEP. — JIP | Talk 06:28, 23 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]
- Previous VfD listed here: Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Jason Kottke (1st nomination)
Not notable, vanity/advertisement. This guy is a blogger, made a font, is his "Lifetime Achievement Award" some kind of plea for his notability? Skrewler 02:30, 16 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]
- NN blogcruft, delete. ComCat 02:33, 16 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]
- strong keep. notable web celebrity. innovative designer and blog coder. first non-corporate professional blogger. the lifetime achievement award mentioned is for the Bloggies. go read the 1st nomination which failed by a landslide: Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Jason Kottke (1st nomination). --Quiddity 02:48, 16 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep as per WP:BIO. 1.8 million Google results for Jason Kottke [6] Covered in Newsweek see [7]. In WP:BIO, being published in a newspaper or journal is sufficient to get you a guernsey. Why is a person who gets 25,000 visits a day on a website not considered notable? We need a coverage in WP:WEB to cover bloggers similar to Webcomics. This nonsense of people winning lifetime achievement awards being nominated for deletion has got to end.Capitalistroadster 02:52, 16 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete. not notable 65.34.232.136 02:59, 16 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete. -- Femmina 03:24, 16 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]
- Strong Delete - Useless Blog Garbage -- G0sp-hell 09:27, 15 November 2005
- Keep most bloggers pages I would vote to delete, but Kottke is rather well known. I don't see this as a vanity page, and it is rather NPOV. I also don't see what has changed since the last vfd. -- malo (talk)/(contribs) 04:20, 16 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep I usually vote delete for bloggers, but it only takes a little research to see that kottke.org is pretty notable. Jasmol 04:30, 16 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep. Technorati calls him the 11th most popular blog. Article seems a little puffy, though. --William Pietri 06:10, 16 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]
- keep this article please it is about a very famous blogger erasing it does not make sense Yuckfoo 06:30, 16 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep per Capitalistroadster and previous nomination. Someone who's covered by Newsweek can hardly be not-notable. - Mgm|(talk) 10:53, 16 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete Worthless vanity page. I don't give a flying shit about this Jason Kottke person. --86.2.56.178 12:15, 16 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep for all the reasons given in the first listing. No reason to relist. Angela. 12:39, 16 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete Blogging + Search Engines, what's the use? SEO doesn't make something notable. --Depakote 12:47, 16 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]
- Strong Keep as per Capitalistroadster. Remarkably notable. -- Plutor 14:24, 16 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep: important as a relatively early blogger and for his "micropatron"-sponsored professional career. --rbrwr± 14:26, 16 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep: very notable blogger. - squibix 15:33, 16 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment. I'd seen many references to kottke.org before this, but assumed it was a Leo Kottke fan site. Oops. Anyway, it does look like this blog is notable enough to keep - but shouldn't the main article be about the site, not its creator? Perodicticus 16:02, 16 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]
- Strong Keep Jason has created several award-winning sites and is probably notable more as a person who has created these sites than via one site alone. He's won web awards, been written up in Newsweek and the New Yorker and was one of the early consistent bloggers. His article stands on WP:BIO merits alone. Jessamyn 17:56, 16 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep, please research your nominations before making them.Gateman1997 22:08, 16 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep. Preaky 14:17, 17 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep as before. Stop trolling. Rhobite 03:36, 18 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep. Go back under your bridge. —RaD Man (talk) 06:12, 18 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]
- Strong keep per Quiddity, echo Gateman1997s comment. Radman and Rhobite, please try and be more civil, eh? Take a look at WP:COOL, calm down, remember that even if someone is a troll, feeding them doesn't solve the problem. Blackcap (talk) 06:26, 18 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep as per the inclusion criteria established at WP:BIO. Hall Monitor 22:39, 18 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep. -- DS1953 [[User talk:DS1953|<sup>talk</sup>]] 02:20, 20 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]
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The result of the debate was KEEP. — JIP | Talk 11:14, 23 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]
NN, D ComCat 02:32, 16 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]
- Withdrawn. Preschools are not notable, but this legal case apparently is. Sorry for not withdrawing this earlier but my free time is limited. ComCat 05:34, 22 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete as per nom Bwithh 02:38, 16 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep the longest and most expensive trial in US history is non notable? Why? CanadianCaesar 03:10, 16 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep I agree with CanadianCaesar. It's obviously an important article. 68.61.255.12 03:13, 16 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep: the preschool sexual abuse furor is definitely encyclopedic and N -- er, notable. The article might be better titled McMartin preschool case or something similar, though. - squibix 03:47, 16 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]
- Strong Keep: I Agree with squibix--FRS 04:29, 16 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]
- If kept, rename per squibix. Saberwyn 04:38, 16 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep. A very notable school. Durova 05:13, 16 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep per Squibix Denni ☯ 05:31, 16 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep as an important and famous legal case, noted as the most expensive trial in the history of the United States. One has to wonder if the nominator even bothers to read the articles. Silensor 05:37, 16 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep. Notable historic legal case. Concur with renaming. The article is about the legal case, not about the school. Note, however: There are perhaps a dozen or so links in the Wikipedia to McMartin preschool that will have to be fixed. ♠DanMS 05:43, 16 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]
- You're aware that moving the page will create a redirect from the old location to the new one, right?
- Of course. But it’s always better to fix redirects where we can. Every redirect fixed takes a little bit more load off of our terribly overloaded Wikipedia. ♠DanMS 03:45, 18 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]
- You're aware that moving the page will create a redirect from the old location to the new one, right?
- Keep and rename as per Squibx. Our guidelines on merging and moving state that a redirect is automatically created when an article is moved so it shouldn't be a problem. Well-known case with at one least one book being written about it The Abuse of Innocence: the McMartin preschool trial see [8]. 30,900 Google news results for "McMartin preschool" see [9]. Capitalistroadster 06:08, 16 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep. Obviously notable. --William Pietri 06:11, 16 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep - notability established. I think this might be my first keep vote on a school-related AFD. — FREAK OF NURxTURE (TALK) 07:16, 16 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]
- Does it count? The article's about a criminal case that involves a preschool, not about a preschool. Saberwyn 08:03, 16 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep. I can't imagine why this was nominated. -Willmcw 08:11, 16 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep malformed afd Dlyons493 Talk 08:15, 16 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep. Major court case. Nominating this article with a "NN, D" is rubbish. Sjakkalle (Check!) 08:16, 16 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]
- Yeah, keep, probably, but I have to agree that the McMartin case may well already be covered. We may be looking at duplicate content one side or the other. Geogre 10:55, 16 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]
- If there's a duplicate article on the case, perhaps you can find them, by going to an article it should link to and go through whatlinkshere for that article. Pereferable that article would be about a person involved in the case, to make sure you have a limited number of links to check. - Mgm|(talk) 10:58, 16 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]
- I've had a very brief cruise searching "McMartin" via Wikipedia search, and the only results I can find regarding the case link directly to this article. There is a redlink in Pulitzer Prize for Criticism pointing to 'McMartin Pre-School child molestation case', but nothing else links to the uncreated article. Saberwyn 12:05, 16 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep and rename per above. - Mgm|(talk) 10:58, 16 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]
- Rename The article is about a legal case not the school. Catchpole 12:21, 16 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]
- Speedy Keep extremely notable case. Dottore So 12:41, 16 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep Carina22 12:49, 16 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]
- For clarity's sake, rename McMartin Pre-School case and redirect. This should never have been nominated, in my opinion. Perodicticus 12:57, 16 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep Nominator has history of AFD abuse, please see Wikipedia:Requests for comment/ComCat Hipocrite - «Talk» 13:36, 16 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]
- Strong Keep. ComCat strikes again with the inability to even Google[10] a topic before declaring it non-notable. Perhaps a rename and redirect, however. -- Kaszeta 15:08, 16 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep or Merge Some very productive discussion is going on at Wikipedia talk:Schools. Please join us and help shape future policy regarding school articles. David D. (Talk) 17:31, 16 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep and rename. Marskell 17:33, 16 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep and rename per above --Jaranda(watz sup) 18:12, 16 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]
- Normally preschools would be "delete and/or merge" even per developing consensus at WP:SCH. However in this case this is an obviously notable preschool so KEEP.Gateman1997 19:50, 16 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]
- Furthermore I've changed my view and believe everyone should visit Wikipedia:Requests for comment/ComCat as this nominator has gone from being mildly amusing to purposely disruptive.Gateman1997 19:50, 16 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep Bad faith nomination. Nominator obviously did not even read the article. Disrupting WP to make a point? Turnstep 02:23, 17 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]
- Speedy Keep and Rename as McMartin Preschool Case. Highly notable. Jtmichcock 02:35, 17 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]
- Speedy Frigging Keep!!! Did the nominator read even the first sentence of the article before nominating? Speedy keep and strong chastisement for ComCat for either a bad-faith nomination or such utter carelessness it can no more be condoned than bad faith can. -- Antaeus Feldspar 03:40, 17 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]
- Remame. Did anyone read the article? It is about a crime and not the school. I'm not happy with McMartin preschool case as the name but right now it is probably the best choice. Vegaswikian 06:17, 17 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]
- Rename. Preaky 14:18, 17 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep and rename article. Bad faith nomination. --Andylkl 17:52, 17 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]
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The result of the debate was KEEP. — JIP | Talk 06:36, 23 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]
Not notable, does every blogger need their own wiki article? Skrewler 02:33, 16 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]
- No. Delete as NN. ComCat 02:36, 16 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete. HAHAHAHA PLEASE stop making useless not notable non-encyclopediac articales on wikipedia. remember what wikipedia is not okay? 65.34.232.136 02:59, 16 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete. -- Femmina 03:22, 16 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep' Will someone stop nominating notable people as per WP:BIO. Had book published by Reed Darknet: Hollywood's War Against the Digital Generation published earlier this year which was reviewed by notable publications. Eight Google News references see [11] and 861,000 Google references. [12]. WP:WEB needs its own bloggers section. Capitalistroadster 03:29, 16 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep Stong. An author listed on amazon. A google search gets 944,000 hits. -- 24.68.132.132 03:31, 16 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep though I'm typically quick to hit the delete button on bloggers, this one is notable enough. Jasmol 04:22, 16 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep per Capitalistroadster. Durova 05:07, 16 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep: This particular person is not known as a blogger, so Skrewler's question should be answered with "no, bloggers are not very notable." However, this particular person is a frequent commentator and a flavor of the year on DRM issues. He has been the flavor for long enough, too, that I think he's a stable presence. Geogre 10:57, 16 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep per Capitalistroadster and the anon commenting after he did. - Mgm|(talk) 10:59, 16 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete Worthless. Just another shitty blogger who thinks they are more important than anyone else. This is clearly not the case, unless we are going by the colour of their shit. --86.2.56.178 12:17, 16 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep. Well known author (>100,000 Google hits for darknet+Lasica), and founder of Ourmedia which already has an Alexa rank of 19,000 despite launching only 8 months ago. (disclaimer: I'm probably biased since I'm on the advisory board of Ourmedia). Angela. 12:25, 16 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]
- Weak Delete Perhaps worth noting on a page about "authors with blogs", but currently isn't notable enough for an article of her own. --Depakote 12:49, 16 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep Notable author. --ChrisRuvolo (t) 14:18, 16 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]
- Strong Keep Notable author, grey literature researcher. Are the people who are putting up these AFDs even reading who the people are, or just searching for the word 'blog' in the articles. Jessamyn 17:58, 16 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]
- Actually, that is exactly what is going on. Check out the nominator's user page. Turnstep 02:56, 17 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep notable author who passes WP:BIO. Gateman1997 22:07, 16 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep. Notable author, blogging irrelevant. Turnstep 02:56, 17 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep. Organized deletion vandalism merits banning. --FOo 05:18, 17 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep. Preaky 14:20, 17 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep and establish blogger inclusion guidelines at WP:WEB to prevent these type of systematic nominations from happening in the future. Hall Monitor 22:38, 18 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]
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