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The winter temperature quoted for Wellington is too low. Correct figure is somewhere between 10C and 15C. It only seems like 5.9C, thanks to the constant wind and rain :-)

The 5.9 should have been minimum, not maximum. What you say about the constant wind and rain is exactly how I remember it: where I am now it's currently 0.5C and feels warm by comparison :-)


If anyone is interested, there are several public domain maps of NZ available at http://www.lib.utexas.edu/maps/australia.html Tannin

I could have sworn that New Zealand's official name is New Zealand nowadays, and hasn't been Dominion of New Zealand for quite some time, despite it popping up in really old official documents. But, I haven't been able to find the legislation or orders I thought I recalled giving effect to a change. Anyone got access to the ISO (3166?) countries list? – Jonathan Ah Kit

Anniversary Days

Hi -- I've added the anniversary days of provincial districts plus Northland, Chathams and South Canterbury. I hope this helps, as I've had to cobble it from a variety of sources as barely anybody agrees. A pity. :( — Jonathan Ah Kit (22 July 2003, 4.14pm)

Mystery queen

This article claims that New Zealand has two queens, but doesn't explain and only lists one in the table. Can someone clarify? Tuf-Kat 03:26, Sep 16, 2003 (UTC)

There is Queen Elizabeth and there is Te Arikinui, Dame Te Atairangikaahu, the Maori Queen. Tiles 06:15, 16 Sep 2003 (UTC)
Is the latter officially designated Co-Queen of New Zealand? If so, why isn't she in thetable? Tuf-Kat 06:26, Sep 16, 2003 (UTC)
It's a New Zealand thing. Some of us don't want any queen at all, others think one is enough while others reckon that if one queen is good then two must be even better. Official or not, Dame Atairangi is a queen in New Zealand. ping 07:29, 16 Sep 2003 (UTC)
The Maori queen has no constitutional role but is highly respected and is regarded as a significant person in New Zealand due to her role as a representative of the Tainui tribe. Tainui is one of the main tribal groupings in Maoridom. Her title comes from an episode in the history of the Waikato region in New Zealand Tiles 08:04, 16 Sep 2003 (UTC)

Largest City

I have removed the Largest City entry that was added to the table because it is not covered by the Wikipedia:WikiProject_Countries template. Also it is ambiguous because it doesn't say largest by area or population or by some other measure. -- Popsracer 06:31, 7 Oct 2003 (UTC)

Fair enough. Mt Isa is probably the biggest city in the world, it is said to be bigger than Switzerland. They claim their main street is 250 km long. ping 09:25, 7 Oct 2003 (UTC)

Fjords

I wonder if someone with a better grasp of NZ geography than I might pop by fjord and check whether my characterisation of the location of fjords on NZ's west coast is correct and sufficient. Also, if there's a local name (in whatever language) for New Zealand's fjords, then I think that would make a handy addition over there too. Thanks. -- Finlay McWalter 03:59, 16 Dec 2003 (UTC)

Settlers --> indigenous

Under History the article says: "Polynesian settlers arrived probably some time between 500 and 1300 AD, and established the indigenous Maori culture."

I think I understand what this means but I also think it reads strangely. Presumably it refers to the culture now regarded as indegenous, but it seems to very odd concept for settlers to pop in and establish one! Maybe I am just being thick here - can someone advise and/or reword please? Nevilley 08:21, 5 Mar 2004 (UTC)

I could be wrong, but I think that the sentence is intended to describe Maori culture as indigenous to New Zealand, rather than the Maori people themselves. That is, it's saying that Maori, while themselves settlers, developed a culture which is unique to New Zealand after they had arrived here. Or, alternatively, it could simply be using "indigenous" to mean "first" or "original" - while the Maori certainly arrived in New Zealand as settlers, their culture was the first one ever to be established here. (After all, just about every people must have been newcomers to their land at one stage, regardless of what story you accept about humanity's origins.) I agree, though, that the sentence could possibly be a little more clear. -- Vardion 09:08, 5 Mar 2004 (UTC)
Oh yes, I'll buy that explanation entirely, thanks. And yes too to the point about everything having had to start some time! It's just the particular awkwardness of that form of words that I thought might be worth avoiding. But I still can't think of a neat wording which clarifies it. :( Nevilley 09:15, 5 Mar 2004 (UTC)
I agree, it's hard to find a good phrasing for it. Would "The first culture in New Zealand was that of the Maori, established by Polynesian settlers who arrived some time between 500 and 1300 AD." be any better, do you think? -- Vardion 07:05, 6 Mar 2004 (UTC)

DON'T PANIC! (yet)

Sometime today (Saturday NZ time) I intend to create a disambiguation page for Kiwi, linking to

  • Kiwi (bird)
  • Kiwifruit (fruit)
  • Kiwis (people from New Zealand)
  • Kiwis (sporting team/s)
  • Kiwi (polish)

Will need a bit of tidying up of links I but hope to get it all correct. I intend to move the current "Kiwi" page to a new one named "Kiwi (bird)" and then convert the current Kiwi page into the disambiguation page. Anyone have any objections or suggestions? Moriori 19:34, Mar 5, 2004 (UTC)

I wouldn't have any objections to that, no. There are quite a few links to the current Kiwi article (some referring to the bird, some not) which would need to be cleaned up, though. -- Vardion 07:08, 6 Mar 2004 (UTC)

Panic NOW!!

Okay, I have made the suggested changes. Moved the existing "Kiwi" page to a new one called "Kiwi (bird)" and turned the old "Kiwi" into a disamig page. BUT, I somehow managed to lose the old Kiwi Talk Page along the way. H-e-l-p! How do I fix? Ta. Moriori 00:01, Mar 7, 2004 (UTC)

The page doesn't appear in the deletion log, so I have no idea what happened to it. Perhaps it should be mentioned at the Villiage Pump? I vaguely recall someone mentioning something like this, and although I don't remember the specifics, there might be someone who has experienced this before. -- Vardion 07:42, 7 Mar 2004 (UTC)

Settlement date of NZ

The page states " Polynesian settlers arrived probably some time between 500 and 1300 AD". The evidence now seems to be that most tribes arrived around 1200 to 1300 AD. However one tribe (the Waitara I think) have twice as many generations in their ancestry since arriving in NZ. This was generally regarded as not correct until recent evidence showed that the bones of rats exist under deposits from the Taupo eruption which is considered to have happened 2000 years ago. Rats are credited with getting a lift here with Maori settlers. So there may be one group that came a very long time before the others. RayTomes 11:07, 20 Mar 2004 (UTC)

... or non-Maori settlers Crusadeonilliteracy
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