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Stub stuff

State forest stubs and state park stubs

What is the decision regarding state forest stubs and state park stubs? — Fingers-of-Pyrex 02:17, 7 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Good question. personally, I'd just delete the forests one - it's only used for lists of forests by state, all of which can go in the state categories happily (and since they're lists, it's qustionalble whether they're really stubs anyway). As to the parks, I really don't know. I don't think consensus was reached one way or the other, and there were various counter-proposals. Perhaps this is worth bringing up for comments at the bottom of the proposals page, see what can be worked out. Grutness...wha? 02:24, 7 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]

spain's stub

I'm awful sorry for the damages caused with my cut-and-paste editions. As you can see, I'm a beginner here!. I was trying to put a little order in the category Catalonia, and I have created a "Geography of Catalonia" category. Changing categorization, some articles were pasted with a generical geo-stub. (Not all them).

I'll try to continue this work more accurately.

Your proposal of creating a "Catalonia-related stub" sounds pretty. It's possible, for an article, have more than a stub?, or this should be useful only for new ones? --Joan sense nick 12:31, 7 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Hello. Thanks for your help. Just one question: wich is the difference between "Country-related stubs" and "Country stubs"? I picked up "Catalonia-related ..." from Category:Stubs by region, where there are examples in both styles. And... Are you waiting me to rename the category?, or better you'll do that? --Joan sense nick 00:10, 25 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]

No difference - but we're slowly changing over all the ones called "Foo-related stubs" since the main parent category in each case is simply called "Foo", not "Foo-related". And no, the stub-sorting wikiproject will change it - but it's got to go through a one week debate at Wikipedia:Stub types for deletion. (We should be able to speedy these, but we haven't got any speedy renaming guidelines yet. Grutness...wha?

OK. I'll not increase the size of this category till the rename process ends. --Joan sense nick 07:56, 25 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]

japan-geo-stubs and Historical Provinces of Japan

This is just my opinion, but I think that stubs of historical provinces of Japan shouldn't be categorized into present-day prefectures but rather, left in the old japan-geo-stub category. Thanks for all of your work on categorizing the new stubs!

-Nameneko 05:17, 9 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Don't thank me! Most of the work is being done by others User:Mindmatrix is doing a lot of it). You might want to comment to him about the historic provinces, although with other countries historical areas are divided up according to the current political divisions (I stubbed a Prussian province with {{Poland-geo-stub}} today, for instance). Grutness...wha?

I listed various provinces for the prefecture geo stubs, and I only listed those that according to their article were wholly contained within a single current prefecture. Caerwine 23:26, 23 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Adelaide stub tags

Thanks for updating our stub tags. Sorry if I caused you a problem by adding the wrong one as you were changing them. --Scott Davis ^Talk 12:03, 10 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]

It's fixed now. Thanks for the heads up.--Cyberjunkie | Talk 13:17, 10 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]

canberra-geo-stub

Sorry, didn't realise the suburb stub was going to be deleted. Consider my rv null and void. Garglebutt / (talk) 05:17, 11 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]

All done

Hey, the Japan geo-stub sorting is finished. I quickly scanned Category:Japan geography stubs and caught a few more articles that slipped by. There may be a few more stray ones, but for all intents and purposes - c'est fini. Now what do I do? :-) Mindmatrix 02:59, 14 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Ah, perhaps I was too subtle when I said c'est fini. I think that using this would be an appropriate way to go about it. Whaddaya think? Mindmatrix 15:04, 14 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]

I decided to propose a split. Mindmatrix 18:52, 14 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Fair enough - you've got my support :) Grutness...wha? 01:13, 15 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for fixing my sandbox!

Had no idea my experiments were getting picked up as stubs. So, thank you! Joaquin Murietta 14:10, 17 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Notts/Staffs

Yeah, I know I was jumping the gun a bit. But I figure these are routine and uncontroversial enough that fast tracking is appropriate - there's a difference between proposing new splits (which needs discussion) and carrying forward with the implementation of an existing split (which already has been).

Btw, have been thinking about what to do with some of the tiny counties. Considering historical relations (both traditional and otherwise), we could possibly combine Rutland in with Leicestershire, Isle of Wight in with Hampshire, Herefordshire and Worcestershire, and Bristol in with Gloucestershire. I don't see some of those being viable individually otherwise, but it would be a shame to have them cluttering up the England root. Morwen - Talk 06:54, 18 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]

To an extent I agree - and I actually considered that when we first started splitting the english counties. But amazingly almost all of them have quite a lot of stubs - there are very few that will be likely never to get to at least a lower threshold like 60 stubs (at the moment the cut-off's 80, but I think we can push it down when there are only a handful of counties left). At the moment there are only three counties with under 40 stubs - Bristol, I.o.W. and - of all places - Herefordshire. Bristol's the only one which would have trouble growing past 50 stubs, so that might be worth combining with Gloucs, but the others will prbably be OK by themselves. Grutness...wha? 07:03, 18 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Jehovah's Witnesses stub

Hi Grutness! Can I go ahead and create {{JW-stub}}? I didn't get a clear okay on the proposals page; I suppose it got lost in the sea of others. ;) --K. AKA Konrad West TALK 05:26, 20 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Stub redirects

You listed several redirects to stub templates on WP:SFD. However, these are simply redirects, not stub types, and should be handled through WP:RFD. --SPUI (talk) 00:17, 22 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]

That makes no sense. SFD was set up because stub deletion discussions were being split between TFD and CFD. But the redirects do not have that problem. --SPUI (talk) 00:31, 22 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]

It may make no sense to you, but that's the way the page works, and it makes sense to everyone else, both at SFD and at RFD. Please stop vandaliising the SFD page. Grutness...wha?

I don't see why we need to delete redirects, they're designed to save time and headaches. Deleting redirects that aren't harmful is stupid; trying to delete them through anything other than RfD is and abuse of due process. Alphax ^τεχ 03:42, 22 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Perhaps you shold have spoken up when SFD was first mooted. It was always the intention to use the page for all deletion debates related to stubs: templates, categories, and redirects. The very first day the page went live several stub redirects were nominated for deletion, and that's the way the page has been used ever since. There's no point having standard naming protocols for stub templates if those names don't also apply to redirects, and there's definitely no point in flooding RFD with things which are better handled alongside the templates and categories to which they relate directly on SFD. Grutness...wha?

Ok, I understand why all stub-related stuff should go through SFD. I just don't see why we can't leave the stub redirects if they're not harmful. Alphax ^τεχ 05:26, 22 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]

As I've mentioned (our messages "crossed in the post" by the looks of it), quite often a template due for deletion is temprarily turned into a redirect in order to create a newly namd template. it makes no sense to vote delete on something as a template at SFD, turn it into a redirect until work can be done on it, and then have to vote again on the redirect. Also redirected templates put more strain on the servers, since you have to "double-call" - a redirect is called, then that calls up the original template. so for every redirect used, the servers do double work - so they are (very slightly, admittedly) harmful. Grutness...wha?

I'm pretty sure the redirects don't cause more server load - when you view the edit screen for a page with a redirected template, "Templates used on this page" only lists the "real" name, not the redirect name. --SPUI (talk) 05:45, 22 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Erm, actually, no - both are displayed. Grutness...wha? 05:57, 22 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Click edit on Pennsylvania Railroad, which uses {{US class 1}}. Only {{North America class I}} is displayed. --SPUI (talk) 12:43, 22 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Perhaps it's only stub templates then. Click on the edit window of Fatty's Tintype Tangle. Both templates (film-stub and its redirect mov-stub) are clearly displayed below the edit box. Grutness...wha? 00:52, 23 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Strange. I made a null edit and now only film-stub is there. Maybe it was changed fairly recently. --SPUI (talk) 12:11, 23 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]

I think what happens is that when a template gets moved, until the article is editted, the list of what templates to list for "Templates used on this page" either does not get updated or only gets updated by adding the new name and not deleting the old. In any case, an edit corrects the situation to the normal of not showing the redirect. Caerwine 23:35, 23 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Stubs

Cripes! Thanks! I hadn't realised I'd made such a mess withmissing out or mucking up me stubs! Thanks again, will try do better. Hope the arts are passable!!vcxlor 00:41, 23 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Yeah, seeing I have an interest in localities that are on old railway line routes, such as the Eastern railway locations - I have been putting the rail stubs, the wa geo stubs, and if they're in the metro area (dont let me start that one) i usually remember to put the perth stubs as well. as I am also a really enthusiastic western tasmania freak - what does one do about trying to get a 'western tasmania' stub? I rarely read wiki info files properly so there's probably an answer somewhere but I though i;d ask. is it the tassie admins or whatvcxlor 00:51, 23 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks - yeah I suppose if snotty and a few others get carried away with wa locations at some point the wa geo stub might get overloaded... :) but yeah, even if i and others rip the index of a gazzetteer for west tas, it would never get to the volume of a wa one! thanks again. have a good dayvcxlor 01:03, 23 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Bike-stub

User:SPUI has been recreating it again. And accusing me of "blanking" it. Care to keep an eye on it? (I've also discussed it with Wikiacc at their talkpage, and they also think it should be kept deleted until VFU'd) -Mairi 02:05, 25 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Consensus is not a few people agreeing on an out-of-the-way page that a redirect should be deleted. --SPUI (talk) 04:41, 25 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]

I just realized the original discussion wasn't even about deleting a redirect. Fuck you. --SPUI (talk) 05:19, 25 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]

In which case, if you'd taken it to RFD, they'd really have laughed at you. Perhaps next you'll tell us that stub templates can't be handled at stub types for deletion either. As to your last comment, you'd have to at least buy me a drink first, honey. Grutness...wha? 07:50, 25 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Protected against re-creation... or is it?

Hi there. I notice that Template:Substub has a variant of {{deletedpage}} stuck on it, and was listed by you on Wikipedia:Protected page; however, it's not actually protected. Is this intentional, or an oversight? —Cryptic (talk) 16:19, 25 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Valencia-stub

Hi! Thanks for the info you've given me. I'm so sorry if I made incorrect changes, I don't want actually to give problems. I haven't noticed that new subject-stubs should be proposed first in those page, next time I will do it. Cheers. --Joanot Martorell ✉ 07:37, 27 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Piping cat link

The reason I piped the cat link at the Scotland geo stub was to get the Template to appear first in the list of articles, otherwise it is buried under the letter "T". If this causes ancillary problems then clearly better to just link to the Template directly in the intro. Lordy some people are sensitive: it is actually impossible to get a geographical (as opposed to political) map of Scotland that does not include bits of England or Ireland. Eg have a look at the BBC weather map of the British Isles: do the Norwegian or Belgian govts complain that the UK is trying to claim their territory? Nope. Can we not find a nice image that represents Scottish geography: a U-shaped glen, a loch, a river, a cliff, a mountain, forest, tree?--Mais oui! 11:45, 28 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Um... the template is already linked at the beginning of the category, and on each page in it - look above the list of articles and you'll see "To add an article to this category, use {{Scotland-geo-stub}}". That's the link - you can click on it to get to the template. And no, the belgians and Dutch don't complain, but they've not had the uneasy relationship that Northern Ireland and Scotland have had over the centuries. As to an image for the stub, I'll see what I can find. Grutness...wha? 11:51, 28 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Ben Nevis

Lookin good!--Mais oui! 12:52, 28 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Oceania Struct Stub + my favourite topic of the night

Only just aware of this rather potentially explodable stub, is there anyway it can be split, or do you have to weight (oops) wait till its overweight? I mean I could put all the Tassie Hydro Dams, Snowy Dams, Melbourne, Sydney and the rest in here, along with bridges and things and we'd be up with the USA county arts (oh how I grieve when I do random search and find 1,000's of locations in the usa that don't have a single reference to the fact that they are in the usa) anyways, just thought I'd ask.

on the other subject, surely some clever cookie could bring the whole wikisystem down by running a bot on usa locations to insert "usa"? ( there must be 10,000 + locations and items that have no country identifier) vcxlor 15:35, 30 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Second thing first - it's not just US places that need that. The number of times I've come across stub articles saying something like "Cleckworth is an English village near Stonebury." with no indication of where Stonebury is. A bot would be handy for those things, but how would you set the parameters for it?

As to Oceania-struct-stub, this is a pretty new category in itself. Hopefully it will sometime get split, but it is really a case of waiting until it's big enough. Ideally we'd need not only enough Australian structures, but also enough non-Australian structures that we still had a viable category left. Which would probably mean a category of about 200 items in all. The main thing with stub categories is for them to be a reasonable size that editors don't have to wade through tons of items but still have enough stubs to work on in their specialist area. For now, that category doesn't take much sifting through to pick out the stubs from a particular area (being in NZ, I know this category pretty well!). So yeah, it's pretty much wait until it grows. Grutness...wha? 00:16, 31 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Heh heh

So, I couldn't help noticing this (addition of category), and I was just wondering: are you sure? :-) Mindmatrix 17:55, 30 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Yeah, well I didn't say who it was being removed by :) Grutness...wha? 00:06, 31 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks

Thanks for that stub clarification. Im a long time user of wikipedia but I just started contributing to today, so I haven't quite got the swing of things.

Chemturion 00:55, 31 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Scientific Journals

I was looking though the list and I saw no stub catagories for scientific or medical journals. I was wonder where I should put a medical journal. I was thinking putting it under magazine-stub and also medicine-stub, but I'm unsure.

Chemturion 05:09, 31 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, double-stub them for now, but both sci-journal-stub and med-journal-stub are worth proposing. Grutness...wha? 05:22, 31 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]

If you are going to break up magazine, there should defently be a culture-mag-stub (for things like People and US Weekly) and also a tech-mag-stub (for things like Industry Journals and consumer tech mags. You could seprate out industry journals if necessary) Chemturion 05:29, 31 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]

RFA stuff

Jaxl's RfA

Hi Grutness, thanks for your support on my RfA! Rob e rt 15:56, 1 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for your support (DESiegel)

Thank you very much for your support on my nomination for adminship. Now that I have been made an admin, I will do my best to live up to the truest you and the community have placed in me. If you ever see my doing something you think is incorrect or questionable, or does not live up to the standards that should be expected of an admin, please let me know. DES ^(talk) 15:40, 6 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]

My RfA (Evilphoenix)

Grutness, I really appreciate your support of my current RfA, however I do want to point out that you have been so supportive of me as to vote twice! You're currently listed at spots #2 and #22. I'm glad to see you have such confidence in me, but I figured you might want to know you'd accidentally voted twice. Thanks again for your support! Best regards, Ëvilphoenix ^Burn! 13:56, 9 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]

My RfA (Mairi) & an admin-related question

Thanks again! :) One question so far: where do SFD decisions to rename get logged (particularly if that was the original proposal)? Previous ones look like they're mostly in the Deleted log, but it isn't that clear... --Mairi 20:04, 10 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]

I'll put them in the deletion log for now then; I figured something like that was the reasoning. The SFD heading probably needs to be changed anyway, as it currently makes no mention of renames at all. A speedy-rename criteria (even if it's the same as on CFD) would also be nice to have... Mairi 01:34, 11 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]

My Rfa (Qaz)

Thanks for your support on my nomination. I certainly hope you are right and that it is indeed mop time. I will do my best to do right by the wet mass on a stick! Qaz ^(talk) 00:30, 12 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for the support (Denelson83)

I made it into the admin fold. You can rest assured that anything I touch on Wikipedia will stay as clean as I can make it. Denelson 83 22:10, 14 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]

FSF RFA

"I was sure he was an Albanian Hindu" Hahaha thanks for your support. freestylefrappe 19:03, 15 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Celestianpower is an admin

Thank you very much for your support - my bid (as you probably know) went swimmingly. I couldn't have asked for a better one. Thank you very much and I just hope I don't mess up! I hope also to do some more stub work again soonish so I'm sure well bump into eachother there if not elsewhere. All the best! --Celestianpower ^hablamé 12:25, 16 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]

My RfA (Cyberjunkie)

Hi Grutness! Just wanted to thank you for supporting my RfA. I hope I will be able to live up to the confidence placed in me. And thanks also for the compliments - it's great to know one's appreciated . Happy editing, --Cyberjunkie | Talk 04:09, 19 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Admin (Caerwine)

A generous offer, but I'd prefer to wait a few months more myself. I know me, and me tends to get involved, then me gets over-involved, then me either goes GAFIA or me reaches an equilibrium at a maintainable level. I know that me hasn't yet reached that last state, and so I, on behalf of me, shall decline your offer for now while reserving the possibility that me shall slap I upside the head sometime and decide to agree for you to nominate me. Caerwine 15:17, 21 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you (Jcw69)

Thank you for your support in my recent request for adminship. It was successful thanks to you. I will strive to an open, approachable and transparent administrator. Now back to the cricket I hope we kick your butts tonight :-)--Jcw69 18:41, 21 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]

AA's RFA

Thanks for your vote of confidence. But I'm sorry to hear about your cat. :( Ac e tic '^Acid 01:30, 24 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Nut and Bolt, that's cute. Hope you find him. :/ Ac e tic '^Acid 01:36, 24 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Good luck on finding Bolt. I'm a cat lover too.-gadfium 04:23, 24 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]

nothing yet :(. Spent most of today leafletting the neigbourhood. I'll not be spending much time on wikipedia for a while - keeping the phoneline clear. Grutness...wha? 10:06, 24 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Hey, hope your cat shows up. the wub "?!" 17:39, 24 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Yay! 48 hours after he would normally have showed up, in walked Bolt, none the worse for wear for his "holiday" (if a little nervy). It was a long weekend holiday here in NZ... perhaps he'd got accidentally shut in a shed somewhere. Grutness...wha? 08:11, 25 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Yay!-gadfium 08:31, 25 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Congratulations! The family's back together again! Aww... I love black cats. :) Ac e tic '^Acid 11:07, 25 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]

the wub's RfA

Thanks a lot for your support on my RfA, I really appreciate it. the wub "?!" 13:07, 25 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]