Talk:Xena: Warrior Princess

Amazon Schism

The article says that Xena was responsible for the schism of the Amazon nation. When was this ever stated? SIN TRADE arc revealed that Xena scattered the Northern Amazons by killing Cyane and her leaders as part of her 10-yr past, but the one who scattered all the nations from the Greek valley where they started (PATH OF VENGEANCE) has never been known.

Xena has had exclusive involvement with the Northern Amazons with SIN TRADE, THEM BONES and LIFEBLOOD, but the AMAZON HIGH Stone Age segments belong to that tribe exclusively. Unofficially, the entire pilot that was screened at the Con revealed that the Tretomlecs were eager to return to their original valley, indicating that the tribes were already scattered at that time. Neither Otere or Yakut, nor either of the Cyanes from SIN TRADE or LIFEBLOOD accused Xena of destroying all of the Amazon tribes, merely the Northerns, and blamed Alti for their spiritual destruction.

Furthermore, Xena's involvement with the Greek Amazons only happened insofar as her recent life with Gabrielle and Melosa. She and Borias were only involved with the Centaurs during their Greek conquests. None of the Queens present at the reunion council in PATH OF VENGEANCE made reference to anything Xena did to them, rather they focused on what Xena and Gabrielle had done to aid them. No Greek queen from Melosa down to Varia ever showed any knowledge, or accused Xena, of the great schism.

Greatest speculation points to an enemy in the distant past responsible for beginning a war with the Amazons, possibly the Centaurs. But the Centaurs have never evidently been involved with any Amazons besides the Greeks. If the full AMAZON HIGH plot is to be accepted as canon, then the schism took place before the Stone Age. Otherwise, the exact time is indeterminable. But based on series episodes, the person or event responsible for the schism is unknown, and it was definitely not Xena.

princess?

Well, to be honest about the princess part... Fans have been discussing over this for a very long time and they still haven't found an answer.

It would be interesting if the article explored the "Princess" part of the title - in the continuity, is Xena a princess at all?

That has been the subject of much discussion indeed. There was never much evidence that she settled down to any kind of rule, certainly; but then, lots of princes and princesses never did (and lots of princes never seemed to do much more than wander around fighting, either — see Prince Rupert of the Rhine, for instance).

My take was always a functional one: How does one get a royal title? Well, aside from inheriting it, you can get it by popular acclaim, or by hitting people repeatedly with a sword until they start calling you by your royal title (i.e., "popular acclaim"). Seems to me that she qualified under those two criteria, at least. --Ray Radlein 01:23, Mar 27, 2005 (UTC)

Apparently, a producer said on a forum that xena was called 'princess' by her army in her evil days, and it just kind of stuck. This is hearsay, but perhaps someone can validate it - Ref: http://www.faqs.org/faqs/tv/xena-wp/Episodes/ . We know for sure that in 'The Debt, Part 2', Lao Ma tells her "You're going to help me run the Kingdom of Lao. You'll be my warrior princess.". Ref: http://amazonbon.tripod.com/debt23.html Bardsandwarriors 18:50, 26 December 2005 (UTC)

It has been stated that the title of "Warrior Princess" is mostly due to her unmatched fighting prowess. It's true that Lao Ma had intended for Xena to be her Warrior Princess, but given that Akemi had referred to Xena upon meeting her as "Xena the Warrior Princess", and that their meeting occurred immediately after the Chin escapades, chances are Xena's aforementioned title had been in circulation for a while.

People have actually debated this?? I always thought it was pretty obvious. She's not royalty, 'princess' is a reference to the rank of her as a warrior. Think of the 'King of Thieves'. He's is not a King who steals, he is the best thief there is, hence 'King of...'. Maybe had it been Xena: Warrior Queen people wouldn't be so naive :P

--p4 (talk) 04:08, 31 August 2008 (UTC)p4poetic--p4 (talk) 04:08, 31 August 2008 (UTC)

pop-culture reference

I think there could be more listed but I can't remember much myself. I do remember an episode of Men Behaving Badly where one of the actors was so anxiously wanting to watch Xena. --Dara 01:06, 5 November 2005 (UTC)

I've re-posted a link to West End Games since they published a Hercules / Xena role playing game, as far as I know the only one. Someone deleted it the first time I posted it, not sure why.

Infobox Template

Hi all. I recently tried to submit a format for a Xena infobox. I seen nice templates made for other series characters like Buffy and thought that Xena's characters deserved the same attention. I'm not sure how to make the template go through/live on the site and thus am sending out this message to those who might have more expertise in this area. I've supplied a few Xena characters with the infobox template. Here it is for those of you interested: Template:Infobox Xenaverse Character Artemisboy 17:41, 9 January 2006 (UTC)

I have no idea how to make the infobox go through (I assume you can find the answer somewhere on Wikipedia's vast help pages). However, because the infobox is not working correctly, I am going to remove it from the various character pages for now. 209.51.77.64 00:50, 23 January 2006 (UTC)

Two Eves

Why are there two listings under characters for Eve? Both lead to the same page. Having missed much of the latter half of the series, I am not sure when Eve was ever called Livia, so I do not feel comfortable removing the Livia (Eve) one at the moment. I will in a few days if nobody has chimed in.

Answer to the Livia question: The Fates had told the gods of a prophecy that a child was going to bring about their deaths, which became known as the Twilight of the Gods. After Xena becomes pregnant with Eve, it is realized that it is Xena's child that is going to bring about this prophecy. Which is kind of false when you look at it bacause if the gods didnt bother to believe the prophecy, they would still live. But after Eve is born, the Gods make never ending attepmpt to kill the baby, and if they have to, kill Xena and Gabrille. Xena goes to the fates to find out more information. The Fates tell her that "only with the essence of death can the child be saved". Xena figured out the metaphor. She then captures Death and talks to her as she is chained up. Xena mentions Deaths only brother, Hades, and mentions him dying. She then begins to cry. Xena wipes the tears byut secretly has a bottle in her hand to collect the tears. While Xena distracts Death, Octavius takes Eve and gives Gabrielle a wooden doll. After another run in with the gods, Xena and Gabrielle make the gods chase them. Xena is driving a cart pulled by a horse. and in the cart inlcudes Xena, Gabrielle, and what the gods thought was Eve. Gabrille drinks the tears and appears to be dead when the cart falls off the cliff. Then Xena checks up on Gabrielle and Eve in order to make the gods believe that theyre both dead then. Xena then plays it off by thinking that there is no other way. So Xena attempts to take her own life with her sword knowing that Ares would stop her. But then she pulls out the tears and Ares thinks its poison. She then drinks it and falls and plays possom until the tears wear off. The gods then disappear, and Ares takes Xena and Gabrielles body to a mountain and puts their bodies in ice coffins. After the tears wear off, Xena awakes and then wakes gabrielle. Not knowing whats going on, they travel to the nearest village. Xena engages in a conversation with one of the villagers and asks about Ares. THe villager then states that Ares hasnt been seen in those parts for 25 years...and she states "Ever since the death of the warrior princess, Xena". Then Xena and Gabrielle find Joxer and his son. Then they all go to Rome to find Octavius, who was part of the plan. His part of the plan was to take care of Eve. And after the gods dissappear, he was suppose to take their bodies, but the plan failed when Ares interfered, becuase of his feelings for Xena. After Xena finds Octavius, he is shocked to see her. Then she asks him what happened with Eve. Then he looks down to the Champion of Rome, Livia. Then Xena realizes that Livia IS Eve. She becomes angry by this and is determine to change Livia back to Eve. Throught a couple of episodes, "Livia" denies that she is Eve and that Xena is her mother. In a fight between Xena and "Livia", Xena falls to the ground and prays for Eli to help her. Eli then puts Eve in some sort of trance where she sees the truth, and realizes who she is. Then later Ares finds out about it. He gives Xena the deal for her to give him an heir and he will keep the secret. She refuses, so then to gods go after Eve (at this point it is the end of Livia), and then they bring about their deaths. Aphrodite and Ares stay alive to keep balance in the world. Then Eve travels with Xena for a while. Eve then realizes that she has to carry on Eli's teachings so she parts from Xena.

Removed music section

The material removed in this edit was copied from the website Gabrielle's Place. If anyone wants to replace it, feel free to paraphrase it (and be sure to maintain an encyclopedic tone - phrases like "anyone... will instantly recognize" don't really fit here), but don't just copy it. FreplySpang (talk)

goofs

The goofs section is ridiculously long, and much of it was written in an overly casual style. I don't think an extensive list of goofs is appropriate for a general article on the television show anyway. I have removed it. If someone wants to bring it back, I would recommend setting up a new page for it. CKarnstein 06:30, 24 March 2006 (UTC)

plagiarism

As best as I can tell, everything added to the article by User:Imjusthappy was plagiarized. I have removed the section titled "The beginning", which was lifted verbatim from http://www.ee.surrey.ac.uk/Contrib/Xena/xena.html. A quick Google suggests that at least some of the "goofs" material was plagiarized from the TVtome.com Xena: Warrior Princess - Goofs and Nitpicks Guide, but I can't access the originals. We should all be on the lookout for future additions of plagiarized text. CKarnstein 06:48, 24 March 2006 (UTC)

Comics

Dark Horse Comics have Xena comics [1] and I was adding in the details to the entry for one of the writers, Ian Edginton, and noticed there wasn't an entry for them so I thought I'd flag the need for one and hopefully someone with a better knowledge of the series could get the entry going. (Emperor 17:51, 10 April 2006 (UTC))

Following up but I'd suggest the comic would go here: Xena: Warrior Princess (comics). Worth noting that Dark Horse stopped publishing in 2000 and current titles are published by Dynamite Entertainment [2] (Emperor 23:31, 24 February 2007 (UTC))

Just a quick note to say this has been started but needs expanding. (Emperor 11:17, 3 May 2007 (UTC))

choreographer?

Does anyone know who choreographed the fight scenes in the series? --Ixfd64 00:09, 27 April 2006 (UTC)

I believe it was Peter Bell (esther) —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 88.106.44.91 (talk • contribs) 11:41, 8 November 2006 (UTC).

Lesbianism

The article seems to consistantly reference the lesbi-erotic undertones of the series as ambiguous, and I know for most of the show it was, but am I insane or did Gabrielle not erotically kiss Xena in the final episode of the series? Pacian 07:15, 9 May 2006 (UTC)

Well for starters its Xena with an "X" not a "Z". And no it wasn't erotic. It LOOKED erotic, but in the plotline it was clearly depicted that Gabrielle swallowed water from the fountian of strength at Mount Fuji and held it in her mouth to deliver to the injured spirit of Xena. But it was basically the writer's and Taperts way of giving the fans one last Xena/Gabby kiss. hehe

It LOOKED erotic... but actually wasn't? lol

24.130.19.192 (talk) 08:11, 22 April 2008 (UTC)

I always thought that the lesbian undertones were the only reason anyone ever watched the series.  SmokeyTheCat  •TALK• 14:55, 8 January 2009 (UTC)

when does subtext begin?

I watched through half of Season 1 and there was no lesbian subtext to be seen yet. When does it "begin"?--Sonjaaa 14:38, 22 July 2006 (UTC)

I think it really began to take shape in the episode "Altered States" when Xena and Gabrielle go swimming naked and the dialogue is like this...

G: “How was that?”

X: “Very good-- you’re getting the hang of it.”

G: “Really?”

X: “Come on, Gabrielle, you’ve been wanting to do this for ages. Just reach under this rock-- give it your best shot.”

....They were fishing...

New Zealand's contributions to the production of Xena

New Zealand has been added to the infobox; I know that principal filming occurred in New Zealand, but I'm not aware of any New Zealand-based production company contributing to its financing. Should NZ be listed there? -- JHunterJ 11:44, 15 September 2006 (UTC)

I don't think New Zealand should be listed as the country of origin is USA not New Zealand, although most of the series was filmed there it was created by an american company so its origin is America.--NeilEvans 18:00, 15 September 2006 (UTC)

Um, if the Lord of the Rings films can have New Zealand added to the infobox, so should Xena and Hercules. All of the series was filmed in New Zealand, not 'most'.

--p4 (talk) 04:10, 31 August 2008 (UTC)p4poetic--p4 (talk) 04:10, 31 August 2008 (UTC)

Fandom section

I feel the fandom section is far too long, surely there only needs to be brief mention of different fandoms.--NeilEvans 19:06, 4 October 2006 (UTC)

List of Xena episode

Anyone know why the list of Xena episode has been deleted from Wiki?--NeilEvans 12:35, 8 October 2006 (UTC)

Lost of Xena episode? Annie D 13:38, 8 October 2006 (UTC)

I think it was because the list was too long and extensive, and would be better as a separate entry, eg. List of Xena: Warrior Princess episodes. // Annie D 00:37, 9 October 2006 (UTC)

That is the article that has been deleted.--NeilEvans 00:39, 9 October 2006 (UTC)

This page was deleted as a copyright infringement. The text was mostly copied from [3]. The images were non-free screen captures, so only a few may be used as fair use. —Centrx→talk • 18:17, 9 October 2006 (UTC)

Right thanks for the feedback.--NeilEvans 22:36, 9 October 2006 (UTC)

I was wondering why there is no list of Xena episodes, even though most long-running series (Buffy, etc.) have one or more than 3 articles on episodes, as do many more minor cult hits like Firefly. I was looking for information on the episode Girls Just Wanna Have Fun, but all I could find was stuff about the song and the movie until I did a key word search on this page (which basically just told me that yes, the episode existed and there was a game based off of it).

The upshot of this is that somebody finally got around to creating a Girls Just Wanna Have Fun (disambiguation) page, which while not desperately needed, kind of was needed. The downside is that Xena is the only massively-notable long-running series represented on Wikipedia that I know of that doesn't have a list of the episodes available either in main article or a seperate sub-article. I mean, even Danny Phantom has the episode titles listed, and it's nowhere near as popular or well-known or widely-viewed as Xena is.

The solution is simple, of course: the basic data (the list of episode titles, possibly with air dates, alongside, if possible, who wrote/guest-starred/directed) is NOT copyrightable in any real sense (I'm assuming the copyright issue was that of summaries and images being included that were non-free or under copyright). If there is any kind of source for it (for instance, DVD box set episode listings on Amazon.com), we can include it in a list article (with links to the handful of articles on here about individual episodes). If I can find that much, I may very well try to do it myself, though I can't guarantee that I'll have the time to do so. Runa27 22:46, 28 April 2007 (UTC)

Country Of Orgin

Shouldn't the country of orgin be USA/New Zealand? It used to be that way on the imdb. It was produced in New Zealand. Neptunekh 14:21, 1 November 2006 (UTC)

It was filmed in New Zealand, but no NZ production company took part, as far as I know. See #New Zealand's contributions to the production of Xena above. -- JHunterJ 14:43, 1 November 2006 (UTC)

Scary Stuff

• Anyone remember the logo for "Renaissance Pictures" that came on at the end? It scared the crud outta me. WizardDuck 00:32, 13 December 2006 (UTC)

Sam Raimi

How is it possible that Sam Raimi's name does not occur anywhere in the text of this article? --Saforrest 18:44, 26 February 2007 (UTC)

You tell me. Runa27 23:07, 28 April 2007 (UTC)

Good point, but on IMDb, it lists 14 different producers on the series, and unfortunately the informaton there is so incomplete, it says, as of this writing that executive producers Raimi and Rob Tapert only produced one episode in 2000, obviously incorrect! 5Q5 14:30, 4 August 2007 (UTC)

Theme Music

This was my original "Theme Music" information, submitted long ago-- I also submitted it to IMDB under Trivia...

"The theme song for 'Xena: Warrior Princess' was a modified version of "Kaval Sviri (The Flute Plays)" from 'Le Mystere Des Voix Bulgares'. In the original 'Hercules: The Legendary Journeys' episode where Xena was introduced, the original Kaval Sviri was the music used to announce Xena racing into battle.

I had included links to the Yale Women's Slavic Chorus' website for verification, citing their version of Kaval Sviri (http://www.yale.edu/ysc/media.htm), which also includes a translation: the song is a young woman's declaration of love for a stranger playing pipes in a village. According to the YWSC, it's lyrics are translated as, 'A piper is playing in the village. Mother, if that piper is from our village, I will love him from today till tomorrow around noon. If he is from a neighboring village, though, I'll love him my whole life.'"

I came back here to find my entry greatly altered, and this...

"The theme music, composed by Joseph LoDuca, who also co-wrote the lyrics for the songs in "The Bitter Suite", was developed from the traditional Bulgarian folk song 'Kaval Sviri', and was sung by Le Mystere Des Voix Bulgares."

I want to make certain no one has it on my offering that LMDVB provided vocals on the theme song. I have seen the article where LoDuca references that he used Bulgarian singers, but I have never seen him state or credit that organization with supplying the vocals. They were only mentioned as the likely source of the discovery; LMDVB Volume 2 was a best-selling 'World Music' CD and was released on the 4AD label. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 205.160.53.150 (talk) 19:29, 17 September 2007 (UTC)

Why was main image deleted?

I had a message sent to me that said it was removed because of copyright reasons, although I specifically stated that it was a screen capture of my own. Can anyone explain? And if its fine, can I put it back up? --72.229.113.164 (talk) 16:24, 28 December 2007 (UTC)p4poetic

It might have been your screen capture, but you don't hold the copyright on the image that you captured (i.e. the programme nor the TV station, DVD etc) Ged UK (talk) 22:17, 1 February 2008 (UTC)

Removal of broadcast history

What does this section add to the article? Unless I hear some kind of reason as to why it's useful to list what channels it was broadcast on in which countries, I and others will continue to remove it. You could save us all a lot of trouble by trying to explain your thinking.--Father Goose (talk) 02:11, 15 March 2008 (UTC)

This section is very valuable to the article, because shows how the series has been directed elsewhere in the world. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 189.10.153.108 (talk) 18:02, 1 April 2008 (UTC)

Has been directed? As in, it shows that it has been broadcast in many countries? This is hardly unusual for a popular American TV series, and readers of the English Wikipedia will probably not be interested in knowing what channel it was broadcast on in, say, Venezuela. That information might be of interest to those who are reading the Spanish version of the article. A raw list of channels it was shown on in different countries does not convey any interesting or useful information about the show.--Father Goose (talk) 09:11, 5 April 2008 (UTC)

What happened to the sexuality section?

What happened to the sexuality section? It was part of the reason why the show was so successful,[4] (the will-they-won't-they of a heterosexual romance was replaced with are-they-aren't-they?) so why isn't it still here? It could become a part of a "reception" section, which could talk about how successful Xena was.-Malkinann (talk) 06:59, 5 April 2008 (UTC)

It's in Xena, the article specific to the character.--Father Goose (talk) 08:30, 5 April 2008 (UTC)

It seems odd that it's not even mentioned here in a potential "Reception" section, given that it was part of the reason why the show was so successful. :/ -Malkinann (talk) 21:55, 5 April 2008 (UTC)

Valid point. A link to Xena's sexuality in a "reception" section sounds like a good idea.--Father Goose (talk) 22:41, 5 April 2008 (UTC)

First episode

It cites 'Unchained Heart' as the episode Xena was introduced in Hercules the Legendary Journeys. This is false, that would be 'The Warrior Princess'. You'd think that'd be self explanatory. —Preceding unsigned comment added by P4poetic (talk • contribs) 02:56, 7 May 2008 (UTC)

You know, it could have just been been fixed without the snide remark. Collectonian (talk) 03:08, 7 May 2008 (UTC)

Weapons / Other main objects of importance

I looked around forever just to find that Xena's weapon was called a chakram. I think there should be a section which talks about this, or a link to the Wiki article with them, as in the Chakram article, Xena is depicted under the Pop Culture section. 12.197.112.117 (talk) 23:06, 16 October 2008 (UTC)

No, there should not be a section on it. It should be noted, but not as an entire section. -- Collectonian (talk · contribs) 00:19, 17 October 2008 (UTC)

Influene on the Lesbian Community

Under this section, theres a picture with the caption "Xena kissing Gabrielle." This is misleading. Xena's spirit was occupying Autolicus' body, and speaking through him to communicate with Gabrielle. At the end of their impassioned talk, Xena seems to kiss Gabrielle, but it clearly shows immediatly after that, Autolicus had actually used the situation to steal a kiss with Gabrielle, much to her surprise upon the realization.