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Can someone fix the header to make the text large and format stuff to look cool. An infobox or some kind of template is probably needed. ChildofMidnight (talk) 17:16, 9 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Question

Re: "Important topics..." are miniature pigs different from Pot-bellied pigs? LadyofShalott 18:41, 9 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Good question. It seems that miniature pot bellied pigs and miniature pigs are somewhat synonymous. Most miniatures are related as best I can tell to pot bellied pigs (and descended from them). Perhaps not enough of a distinction? On the other hand this book title suggest they are not one and the same [Miniature pigs By Pat Storer, Kristin Storer]. This is also interesting [1]. And what about a miniature variety of a pig that isn't a pot bellied pig? Does such a thing exist? This is why this effort is so vitally important. There is a troubling gap in knowledge for these subjects... ChildofMidnight (talk) 19:27, 9 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
This seems to indicate that minitaure pigs are vital to saving lives, and that not all miniatures are pot bellies.[2]. ChildofMidnight (talk) 19:29, 9 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Prohibitions on bacon seems like it would be the same as Religious restrictions on the consumption of pork. --kelapstick (talk) 15:15, 10 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

You and your sensible reasoning. Always raining on my contrived notions. I didn't see much about the limitation on eating bacon in the bacon article. So a section might be good, but your point is well taken. The prohibitions aren't narrowly focused on bacon. So we'll have to fatten up the KBC2009's larder of articles with something more notable. What about fakon? Is that an article subject in the making? Or bacon alternatives? Turkey bacon?ChildofMidnight (talk) 16:39, 10 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

The Life and Cuisine of Elvis Presley

Would probably pass an AfD better than just the sandwich, the sandwich could be the hook kelapstick (talk) 06:47, 11 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Photo and how do we get all hooks in one DYK?

We need a strong hook with a great photo. And how do we convince the folks at DYK to use a bunch of bacon hooks in one update? ChildofMidnight (talk) 18:00, 11 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I don't know if they will go for it, but if we make a strong case with 8 solid hooks they might, also I found a picture of a PBB&B sandwich. --kelapstick (talk) 18:02, 11 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Maybe we should post it on the DYK talk page? this almost looks like I took it. It is going to the commons soon. --kelapstick (talk) 18:06, 11 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Will that photo look good small? This one is copyrighted, but they might be willing to change licensing [3]. It's no good for DYK hook, and the last one has a person in it, but otherwise it's very encyclopedic. I can't find much for Pig Day surprisingly. Just [4] and [5] both copyrighted at least for now...
I like the idea of posting a note on the DYK talk page. It should invite anyone who has suggestions on bacon articles or wants to participate and notify the DYK peeps that this project is underway and needs their support. :) ChildofMidnight (talk) 18:28, 11 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Hook tweak

I like to have the DYK item first in the hook. What do y'all think about:

... that the peanut butter, banana and bacon sandwich would be New York City Mayor Michael Bloomberg's choice for his last meal and was a favorite of Elvis? ChildofMidnight (talk) 18:28, 11 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

K-stick are you going to be my hooker for the National Pig Day and Pruess article once they're done? Getting photos for the Pig Day article would be good too, even if it's not the photo hook. ChildofMidnight (talk) 18:28, 11 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I will take a look at them, your modified hook looks good too. --kelapstick (talk) 18:31, 11 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Both are long enough but I think for a proper hook for Joanna Pruess we need an article about Seduced by Bacon: Recipes & Lore about America's Favorite Indulgence. National pig day has no bacon mention, I would prefer all bacon but if we have to we can branch out to pork.--kelapstick (talk) 18:41, 11 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
I'm fairly new round here but volunteering to have a go at Seduced by Bacon. You might get a bit annoyed as I ask stupid questions but it must be better than doing the work yourself, right?! User:Bigger digger/Seduced by Bacon: Recipes & Lore about America's Favorite Indulgence --Bigger digger (talk) 21:33, 12 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Fantastic. Welcome aboard. As far as any questions that you have, ask away. And don't forget to sign in on the main Bacon Challenge page! Don't be shocked/ surprised if star of bacon shows up on your userpage... ChildofMidnight (talk) 21:39, 12 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Excellent...I was just going to make a stub up so that we at least had a wikilink, but if you can make it long enough for a double hook DYK that would be awesome too...glad to see another person joining in the insanity (or Bacon mania), where is Bongo? And I expected to see Lady of Shalott making up at least one article, or is she just hanging around to point out when we make mistakes?--kelapstick (talk) 21:43, 12 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Well I'm already suffering from Bacon mania, I've looked at about 150 Google search and news hits, examined about 50 of them and stuck the most relevant into my subpage but I'm a bit concerned that it might fail WP:Notability (books). All the books in Category:Cookbooks (why doesn't a wikilink work here?) have some sort of history or gastronomic respect. I guess comments should be made on the talkpage.
I'm assuming these need to stay in userspace so they don't get ignored by the DYK 5 day rule? Right, it's late, and I need to get to sleep so that I can more quickly achieve the morning bacon sandwich! Bigger digger (talk) 23:26, 12 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Two things, to get the category to work, put a : before the word Category, i.e. [[:Category:Bacon]] gives you Category:Bacon, if you don't it will go to the bottom of the page and this page will be included in that category. Second don't worry about passing Wikipedia:Notability (books), if the book passes the general notability guidelines (in the sense that there is significant coverage in multiple sources) it doesn't have to pass Wikipedia:Notability (books). Stay in user space for now, we will nominate them all at the same time...I guess that is three things...and if you have any questions you can post them here, someone will answer! Good luck. --kelapstick (talk) 23:31, 12 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

New challenge

Someone has to get a photo of a Mitch Morgan, anybody have bourbon and bacon? I think that would be a great photo for the main page.--kelapstick (talk) 21:52, 12 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Tomorrow. Drmies (talk) 04:08, 14 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Potential for expansion

We could throw a non-pork related bacon in just for kicks. Here are two...thoughts?

--kelapstick (talk) 22:01, 12 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Are these legitimate subjects related to bacon? I thought fakon was as far as we could stretch this. Dr., what is your opinion? Is Kelapstick trying to disrupt the Challenge? ChildofMidnight (talk) 22:04, 12 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I think there's some humour available in a not-bacon-but-named-after-bacon kind of way, I was thinking of adding a bit of culture here, but Francis Bacon (artist) is pretty well covered. Fortunately:

Are all stubby. Bigger digger (talk) 12:09, 13 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Also just come across this page - a company called AC Bacon Engineering who built a bacon shed! Bigger digger (talk) 12:20, 13 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
I feel that you gentlemen may not be taking the Challenge seriously enough. ChildofMidnight (talk) 18:29, 13 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Invitations to participate

I posted a notice on the DYK talk page and notified a few editors who may be interested in participating. Should the challenge be moved out of my userspace and into project space? ChildofMidnight (talk) 22:04, 12 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Excellent, I think the project sits well here.--kelapstick (talk) 22:07, 12 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Elvis and bacon

It turns out there is an existing article on the Elvis sandwich about his version of the peanut butter, banana and bacon sandwich. But it's very short, so I think we're okay. I'm thinking this should be merged with K-stick's, a.k.a. "the troublemaker", sandwich article? The other way to go would be to do a proper article on Elvis's culinary interests. The article would tie together the "Elvis sandwich"/User:Kelapstick/Peanut butter, banana and bacon sandwich and the Fool's Gold Loaf as well as other favorites. It's definitely a notable subject as whole books have been written on it, and it would rope together some bacon entities if anyone is interested. Interestingly the Elvis sandwich article suggests his version of the sandwich is fried... ChildofMidnight (talk) 17:25, 13 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

We are about 500 characters short of a 5x expansion, the old article is 525 and the new is 2096.--kelapstick (talk) 17:30, 13 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
No worries. I'm going to move/ rename that article to Foods of Elvis or something and go from there. Any suggestions on a name? Or if people think that's a bad idea 500 characters will be no problem on something as important as the PBB&B sandwich. Oh and, do you think Turkey bacon is too narrowly focused? What about covering all the bacon alternatives in one article? ChildofMidnight (talk) 18:28, 13 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
You are at 2,397 now, so not much more to go. Simply moving the article won't change that it has to be expanded to +2,625...sooooooo close....
We may have to branch out to Bacon alternatives (include soy etc) or something similar, but my brief search didn't pick up anything to write home about for facon/fakon. The cuisine of Elvis or something similar might be an interesting article.--kelapstick (talk) 20:00, 13 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
I think a broad article on bacon alternatives would be good, but I leave it to your discretion. On the Elvis sandiwich, no problem. Even with my strict standards for notability and content additions I think I can come up with enough. If someone wants to do a Elvis Foods article that would be very cool and a bacon hook would be no problem. I'm willing to help. ChildofMidnight (talk) 21:16, 13 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Stegt Flaesk

Stegt Flæsk (fried bacon) is a Danish (a.k.a. Denmarkian) dish of fried bacon traditionally served with parsley sauce. It turns out that it is hugely important. It still needs a bit of expansion, but unfortunately my Danish (Denmarkian) isn't what it should be. Can anyone help translate or do they know someone who can translate all the news hits on Google News? I'm also finding interesting websites, like this one http://www.mineslund.dk/stegt-fl%E6sk/, that may or may not be reputable and cite worthy, but it would still be nice to see what it's all about. Lemme know wouldja? Thanks. I will not name the naysayer who suggested that a dish of fried bacon from Denmark wouldn't be notable enough for its own article... ;) ChildofMidnight (talk) 21:13, 13 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

There are also some licensed for commercial creative commons use photos. Are any of these okay to use: [6]. ChildofMidnight (talk) 21:19, 13 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Apologies if this is teaching you to suck eggs, but try http://translate.google.com/ I'm surprised Google haven't integrated it themselves... It won't be perfect but it will let you know what's going on!Bigger digger (talk) 23:59, 13 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks for the tip. Works pretty well and provides some good comedy:
"Fried bacon
Fried pork, many Danes livret, and here is the meat bought in the best quality available. Her book Monday meat for example, fried bacon without being tied to a subscription. We can also meet the demand for organic products.
Fried pork with parsley
Make fried pork with parsley as a heavenly taste of the meat from the slaughterhouse. Here are thinking of animal welfare in order to put teeth into the meat with a clear conscience. Order your meat to the fried pork with parsley www.mineslund.dk on the website, you can happily get it delivered straight to the door.
Stands Monday and lacks pork to make fried pork with parsley out, you are very welcome on the page. We deliver fresh meat, so you can never be in doubt about freshness of the product. Buy bacon slices without bone here for a good price that is in harmony with quality. So you are ready to cook pork roast with parsley.
Wanted fried bacon then click in the left menu. "
I especially like the "Make fried pork with parsley as a heavenly taste of the meat from the slaughterhouse," and "Here are thinking of animal welfare in order to put teeth into the meat with a clear conscience" statements. Couldn't have said it better myself! ChildofMidnight (talk) 18:39, 14 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Bacon (maple?) donut

I think you have a word left out in your first comment about "Danish", unless Stegt Flæsk is actually a pastry...(a bacon pastry, could there be such a thing) I would correct it myself but the last time I tried to correct someone's glaring error (when Mies thought that we had come to enter a foot race with a dead guy, and I confused exorcism with resurrection, I was sternly warned...--kelapstick (talk) 18:44, 14 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Interesting The Elvis is also a bacon-maple-donut...And here with a picture is one in LA, Bacon mania strikes agan?--kelapstick (talk) 18:45, 14 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
I am uploading this picture from Portland...this bacon donut thing might be more widespread that originally thought.--kelapstick (talk) 18:51, 14 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

<outdent> That's awesome. I'm starting an article on it. It's worth it just to see the AfD discussion over whether a bacon maple donut (doughnut?) is notable. It actually looks like an area that is grotesquely undercovered on Wikipedia. The main doughnut article doesn't really cover the notable kinds and they are just redirected all over the place. So I'm confident that this effort will have a good outcome even if it's merged somewhere or instigates the development of many doughnut articles. See user:ChildofMidnight/Maple bacon doughtnut ChildofMidnight (talk) 19:51, 14 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I think that the maple should be left out, some of the sources I have are maple, some aren't...I have something at User:Kelapstick/Bacon donut with 4 sources, including the bacon donut burger (an excellent category for the Variants section. The picture is from Voodoo Doughnuts. I don't care where the start of the article is stored....so long as it gets made.--kelapstick (talk) 20:03, 14 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Oops. I had no idea that you were enough of a lunatic to actually try to write an article on a subject that trivial. I'm missing what the luther burger has to do with the maple bacon donut. It seems like a burger variant rather than a bacon donut variant. I'm not sure on the maple part, but I assume once we boild it down in the sugar house the sap will be sweet and we'll see whether it's essential or not... ChildofMidnight (talk) 20:32, 14 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
The Luther burger is a bacon donut with a burger patty and cheese, no maple...I think it is a variant, besides I don't think the burger is notable enough to stand alone (unless we can dig up more sources), but is enough to be included in a similar article.--kelapstick (talk) 20:34, 14 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Looking back it exists already....how did we miss it? I added the content from the bacon maple to it, since that is where it belongs...you may want to remove it and add it as a see also in maple bacon donut.--kelapstick (talk) 20:35, 14 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
It uses a "grilled glazed donut" as the bun for a bacon cheeseburger. That's a pretty loose connection to a bacon (maple?) donut. I like Shubs listing, but I'm not sure they are notable enough for independent articles as they are variants on existing article subjects. Is there an article on sour cream and onion potato chips? I think a broader bacon in popular culture or bacon foods article might be the way to handle these tidbits. Thoughts? ChildofMidnight (talk) 20:55, 14 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
What I meant was take out the variant section from maple bacon donut (since I already moved it to Luther Burger anyway) in a see also section on maple bacon donut have luther burger, unless both having bacon and donuts are not enough of a connection to include in a see also section...really how many foods combine the two products, that is about as close a connection as you can get in my opinion, the only thing that chicken fried bacon and bacon explosion have in common is bacon, and they see also each other....can I get any more commas in that sentence?--kelapstick (talk) 21:05, 14 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Way up at the beginning of this section is a comment about bacon pastry. In the UK there's a chain called Gregg's the Bakers that does a great pastry-wrapped-around-bacon snack. Like a sausage roll, only tastier and fatter! Bigger digger (talk) 01:50, 15 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
I'm all for it, but it seems to be called a sausage roll. I find the bacon butty/ saager, sarnie interesting though. But it seems to be covered. ChildofMidnight (talk) 02:37, 15 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Template

Maybe we should make a specialized template for the article's talk pages. ie. "This article was feature on the DYK column on (date) as part of the Bacon challenge.". Acebulf (talk) 00:04, 14 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

That would be cool. The "Bacon challenge 2009" part could link to the challenge page. And if anyone thinks this year's article subjects are stretching it, just wait until next year! Kelapstick is a master of trivial template making. :) ChildofMidnight (talk) 19:44, 14 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
I never thought about it. If bacon challenge 2009 takes 8 bacon articles, there's 8 less articles for next year. We'll have to really stretch it. I never thought there would be this much bacon articles though. Acebulf (talk) 22:46, 14 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
I made a userbox User:Acebulf/bacon
This user participated in
Bacon Challenge 2009.

Acebulf (talk) 23:06, 14 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Top userboxing..! I've noticed you guys had a run on bacon articles earlier in the year, so when you say yearly do you actually mean quarterly? Bigger digger (talk) 01:46, 15 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
I did the template. User:Acebulf/bacondyk. Acebulf (talk) 23:50, 17 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

J-D's Down Home Enterprises

J-D's Down Home Enterprises is in queue for DYK, too bad I nominated that before the challenge started, would have been a solid addition.--kelapstick (talk) 18:18, 14 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Flickr images in articles

I've noticed that some articles purloin flickr images to use. I'd quite like to nab

or

but how do I go about it? Ta, Bigger digger (talk) 01:52, 15 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Go through Commons. There is a process for flickr images. You also have to make sure they have a suitable license. Law type! snype? 02:16, 15 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Bit of a tussle but I managed it, thanks! Bigger digger (talk) 13:20, 15 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Bacon Martini/Mitch Morgan

Should they be included in the same double hook? Maybe I will write an alt for Mitch Morgan.--kelapstick (talk) 15:49, 15 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I was just informed [who?] that bacon martini's are all the rage in Seattle. I'm for srs. Law type! snype? 06:42, 26 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

7 hours 22 minutes...

The date set for launch of the "Bacon Project" aka "Challenge" was set at May 27. I presume we are going by Wikipedia time? Look alive people. Are we ready to roll? ChildofMidnight (talk) 16:40, 26 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Um, I'll be asleep, but feel free to grab the article out of my userspace. I can't quite bring myself to do bacon ice cream as there seem to be sufficient hooks. I'll save it for the next bacon challenge... Bigger digger (talk) 22:00, 26 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Just done a bit of tweaking [(c) CoM], good luck! Bigger digger (talk) 22:46, 26 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]


Bacon type pig?

What is a bacon-type pig...I think you are stretching it...--kelapstick (talk) 23:49, 26 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Surprisingly, it wasn't that easy to find a source that included the word bacon in relation to a miniature pig. That's the wording the source used. I have no idea what it means and I'm always happy to guess or put my own interpretation on it. I also put up a very reasonable alt hook that I think is probably supported by the bacon-type statement, but the discussion of mini-pigs for pets and for organ transplants and medical research was grotesquely biased against the food. Perhaps a google news search for miniature pig bacon is in order. And of course it raises a very interesting question: Do miniature pigs produce miniature bacon? ChildofMidnight (talk) 02:21, 27 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Combined hooks

Would it be more powerful to combine the hooks for the Mitch Morgan and Bacon martini? LadyofShalott 00:31, 27 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, thanks to my dedication, haha, you can use bacon vodka in your articles about bacon drinks! Law type! snype? 02:21, 27 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
You mean you're not going to expand that to full DYK length? Gentleman Jack is new too. It could possibly be worked in (unless someone can find a bacon connection in which case it should be added as a hook all on its own). It needs to be expanded a bit too. Quit standing around. :) ChildofMidnight (talk) 02:35, 27 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I hate double noms. Please don't encourage Kelapstick. He loves getting half as many awards and stringing hooks together in a way that eliminates the opportunity for a record breaking bacon explosion (over 40,000 hits!!!) type effort. If we seperated Joanna Pruess and her book (Seduced by Bacon we could almost get two complete updates with 100% pure bacon goodness. Shallots, don't tell me you're Canadian too? What is it with you guys and these half orders and plate sharing divying up of the bacon? Outrageous! Make mine a double. And pass the salt. ChildofMidnight (talk) 02:26, 27 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Whatever <shrug>, and, no, I'm not Canadian. LadyofShalott 02:30, 27 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Haha. I actually knew you weren't Canadian. You're from down in Doc's neck of the woods as I recall. Can we tie in Connie Bea Hope, Woman's World (TV), Estelle Payton and Virginia Greer somehow? They're mostly new (except for Hope which is struggling to survive at AfD). Although I don't think the Payton, Woman's World, or Greer articles are long enough for a hook of their own and I haven't yet found a bacon connection, but one can dream. ChildofMidnight (talk) 02:38, 27 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Sometimes all it takes is a little prayer. See WKRG's bacon wrapped meatloaf recipe/ video. How it all ties in I have no idea. But it's beautiful. ChildofMidnight (talk) 02:44, 27 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Still time for more articles!!!

We can deal with the hook noms after the clock runs out "tomorrow". GO GO GO GO!!! :) ChildofMidnight (talk) 02:48, 27 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Bacon vodka is big enough for DYK! Law type! snype? 03:25, 27 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Divying up the bacon

There is a discussion at WT:DYK about whether the bacon hooks should run together in a DYK update or be split up and spread out over time. I think we know where the Canadians and the spring onions stand on splitting up the bacon... ;) Or is it that they like to merge the bacon pieces together? Hmmm... ChildofMidnight (talk) 16:38, 27 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Hey, how can you object to a larger piece of bacon? LadyofShalott 18:56, 27 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
I'd rather see them all at once. Acebulf (talk) 20:34, 27 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
I like loads of bacon and I like bacon all the time, so I guess I win either way... Although obviously my !vote is for the US solution! Bigger digger (talk) 22:17, 27 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
With ketchup on a McBacondoublecheeseburger? Speaking of bacon, can anyone confirm this [7]? Thirty minutes left. Then it will all be about March 1, 2010!!! ChildofMidnight (talk) 23:30, 27 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Lardish flavours? Interesting. I am not a fan of the split up of the DYKs, I also don't think we should split them up so we won't upset animal rights activists and vegetarians. We already covered people who don't eat pork with turkey bacon, maybe facon was necessary...--kelapstick (talk) 23:34, 27 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
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