Jump to content

Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Karelin7

Add links
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
< Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations

This is an old revision of this page, as edited by EdJohnston (talk | contribs) at 18:30, 31 May 2009 (There is no case here). The present address (URL) is a permanent link to this revision, which may differ significantly from the current revision.

Karelin7

For archived investigations, see Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Karelin7/Archive.


Report date May 28 2009, 09:12 (UTC)
Suspected sockpuppets


Evidence submitted by Cameron Scott (talk)

Karelin7 is a Single purpose account (who might also be employed by the subject of the article according to the article talk page) who only edits the David Copperfield (illusionist). When tackled about their COI, he/she stopped (yesterday) editing the page and another SPA Emely1219 popped up and started making similar edits with similar intent to the article. Cameron Scott (talk) 09:12, 28 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]


Comments by accused parties    See Defending yourself against claims.

It's Karelin7. The accusation is ill-conceived and baseless. After Cameron sent me a message yesterday, I think it was, about his decision to change the sequence and layout of Copperfield's page so that it no longer conformed to the generally accepted format for celebrity pages, in order to try to underscore negative allegations about Copperfield, I explained in detail on the talk page for Copperfield's page exactly what my position is--the page should adhere to the same format as that used for other celebrities, including those who have been accused of bad behavior, e.g., Kobe Bryant, James Brown, Rob Lowe, Bill Cosby, etc.. As of late last night I received no response. Rather than engage in edit wars, I asked whether there is a way to resolve the dispute within wiki guidelines. That's why I made no further edits. Anyway, I suggest that wiki do its investigation and publish the results. I do agree with Flowanda that there appears to be some basis for investigating a link between Ratel and Cameron, but I certainly want to avoid a "tit for tat" kind of thing. A wait and see attitude seems preferable. In any event, it would be interesting to see the history of conduct for Ratel and Cameron, the number of other accusations they have made against other editors, etc., and I think that would be a worthwhile question for whoever is investigating. Anyway, I welcome the investigation's results. Karelin7 (talk) 16:20, 28 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]


Comments by other users
It appears everyone except for two editors is a sock puppet, meat puppet, SPA, fanboy, COI, wikibureaucrat, gopher etc. You likely should also see if those two editors are separate User:Cameron Scott and User:Ratel as they are the only two making repeated accusations against just about every other person there including User:Flowanda and User:Amicaveritas among others. Collect (talk) 10:25, 28 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
And CS used an interesting edit summary for David Copperfield (illusionist) "toot toot! All aboard the sockpuppet express, next stop sockville!" so it is clear he well may not be whom he claims to be. Collect (talk) 10:30, 28 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
I've never made any accusations of sockpuppetary against either User:Flowanda (who I've never heard of) or User:Amicaveritas. As for me being Ratal, that's fairly unlikely As for my comment in edit summary - that was in regards to an edit by the sock I've reported here. --Cameron Scott (talk) 12:14, 28 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
My point was that absent any real evidence of Emely being a sock, any accusation is quite premature. Is that better? Collect (talk) 12:23, 28 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Karelin7, I think you're referring to Collect's statement, but I think he was only making a point about the rationale of filing this complaint, not actually making a connection. While I agree that a checkuser would help remove this one tool from the toolbox, the introduction of the term meatpuppet at Talk: David Copperfield will just replace it. Flowanda | Talk 18:20, 28 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Clerk, patrolling admin and checkuser comments

I'm not seeing the logic of this complaint. Both Karelin7 and Emely1219 seem to focus entirely on topics related to David Copperfield (illusionist). Both of them occasionally make 'insiderish' edits suggesting that they might have some connection to the topic, for example this edit by Emely1219, with the edit summary The patent owned by John Gaughan was justifiably removed and there is no longer any link between John Gaughan and this illusion. There is a possibility that Karelin7 and Emely1219 are both fans of Copperfield, but it's hard to go beyond that. It is fair to remind both editors of our WP:Conflict of interest rules, but I don't see a valid sockpuppet case here. EdJohnston (talk) 18:30, 31 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Conclusions


Retrieved from "https://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Sockpuppet_investigations/Karelin7&oldid=293558168"