Talk:Hume Highway

any sydneysider or melburnian care to contribute a Hume strip map?

The Australian government uses Crown copyright, and so, unlike in the US, there is not exactly a wealth of public domain maps of Australia for use on Wikipedia. --Robert Merkel 00:59, 12 Jul 2004 (UTC)

5 years later and neither a Sydneysider or a Melbournian (a Gold Coaster/Brisbanite) I have added a strip map (scale). [magpieshooter] ^T_C 16:18, 10 June 2009 (UTC)

other alternatives besides Princes

There are other alternative routes that are IMHO even more beautiful, if even longer, than the Princes Highway, for instance it's possible to take the King Valley road from Wangaratta to Mansfield, and the Midland thereafter. On the New South Wales side, it's also possible to go through Canberra and the Snowys to reach Corryong, then to Albury. Hence my edit. --Robert Merkel 01:50, 24 Oct 2004 (UTC)

Engineered Speed Limit

I remember hearing that the Victorian side of the highway was engineered for 130km/h, anybody know of a reference for this? It certainly explains why 110k's seems like such a crawl on some streches.. --Commking 04:08, 28 April 2006 (UTC)

Frankly, its lanes are wider, straighter, and certainly less trafficked than most of the autobahns in Germany. You'd probably have to go digging through VicRoads documents to find that kind of information; a friend's father recently retired from VicRoads and might just know where such documents might be hidden...--Robert Merkel 04:24, 28 April 2006 (UTC)

It would be nice to find out. I imagine it would be politically sensitive for Vicroads to come out and say that 130kmh is what they had in mind... --Commking 04:54, 28 April 2006 (UTC)

Semantic distinction:

The graphic for Victoria is evidently manufactured by a NSWelshman - I've never seen a highway in Victoria referred to as 'National'. Heh. They're all simply designated M, A, B or C level routes with a number. A Victorian Hume Highway sign then, simply reads M31, same as the Princes' is designated M1. This map would indicate more correctly the victorian designation. [1]

But hey, this point IS more or less irrelevant, so I have no idea why I feel compelled to point this out. --TheShadowDawn 12:10, 8 June 2006 (UTC)

The 'National' sign is obsolete and about to be replaced in NSW --Grahamec 00:03, 20 June 2006 (UTC)

Dont national get national funding rather than State?

Coolac by pass

From the minutes of the Wagga Wagga Council Policy and Strategy Committee of 13 June 2006 [2]

QS-19 COOLAC BYPASS Councillor B Andrews advised that whilst attending the Shires Conference he had the opportunity to raise the issue of the Coolac By-Pass with the Member of Wagga Wagga Mr Daryl Maguire. Councillor B Andrews was advised that the Wiradjuri people had no objection to the by-pass and that the State Minister was blaming everybody else for the delay.

Councillor B Andrews suggested that an email be sent to The Deputy Premier and Minister for Transport Mr John Watkins and the Federal Minister for Transport and Regional Services Mr Warren Truss advising them of the people that have been killed or seriously maimed on this section of the Hume Highway. Councillor B Andrews advised that he has the email addresses.

The Mayor thanked Councillor B Andrews for his comments.

• This topic has been debated elsewhere - most notably Talk:Gundagai, New South Wales. It seems there no heritage reason to stop the construction. --A Y Arktos\^talk 01:29, 3 August 2006 (UTC)

• From ABC News of August 2005, The head of the Brungle Tumut Land Council, Margaret Berg, says the Land Council has already researched the cultural sites and developed a plan to protect them. Shes said her community wants the Coolac bypass started and is upset at outside calls for a new study of cultural sites along the planned route. The Roads and Traffic Authority (RTA) has agreed to Wiradjuri man Neville Williams' call to do a second survey.--A Y Arktos\^talk 11:30, 13 August 2006 (UTC)

• As at May 2006: RTA's report circulating - A report into the historical significance of the areas designated for the Coolac bypass has been circulated. Neville Williams a Wiradjuri elder asked for the study and said that the ‘ball is in the RTA's court and it is up to them to decide when work commences’.AIATSIS Native Title Newsletter May/June 2006 (pdf) The RTA site provides no update. [3] However, in April 2006, ABC News reported that The RTA has now decided to engage a specialist from the Australian Museum to do more survey work to resolve remaining Aboriginal heritage issues. In a statement quoting an unnamed spokesman, the RTA says this latest process is expected to take some months before tenders will be let.[4]--A Y Arktos\^talk 11:41, 13 August 2006 (UTC)

Coolac Bypass Nonsense

ANYONE who had a genuine interest in the 'Salvage or Destroy Indigenous Sites' process re the Coolac Bypass, could have registered an interest and been fully informed re what was happening. The advertised calls for registrants, was in the press. NOT 1 person from Wagga Council registered, certainly no Andrews person whoever that is. NOT 1 person from Gundagai Council registered. Barely anyone registered. To compound this, (lets say they didnt realise and for that first lot of surveys given the publicity re Coolac Bypass, they needed time to become aware), for the next lot of surveys for the Sheahan Bridge AGAIN none of them registered. They chose not to. Some people then try and stir whatever than can, however they can, making up total nonsense re stuff they know nil about at their own doing as they DID NOT register to know, quoting some flea bitten unknown re stuff. Some people get on here making up idiotic nonsense abotu stuff they have even less idea about and sprout it as they they have authority re it. Its pretty banal.

Its just as well that Neville Williams asked for further surveys at Coolac as, as a result of it, highly significant archaeology has been found. This archaeology is important to all Australians, not just to Indigenous people. Tumut Brungle Land Council people worked on the extra surveys so it went in their favour also as they earned money from the fieldwork plus also got the chance to find out more about lost aspects of their culture.

They are just nnoyed about 'outside' peopel coming in but Neville Williams is very local and acknowledged as thta by Marg berg on ABC Radio. Coolac is Neville family home country and I also know from my family, Nevilles family to be THE family for that area.

Whatever, heaps more archaeology has been found at Coolac. The initial surveys were only basic ones whereas the more recent surveys have been more thorough.

No one at anytime was protesting the bypass being put through but there is a requirement that proper EIS' are carried out, and now they have been/are being.

Its really really good that Neville Williams' effort resulted in those surveys. His effort has resulted in heaps more being known re Australia's prehistory and all should give him a 'very well done' for that.

Who wants to deny Indigenous culture, its rights under Oz law? I certainly do not. However, its also cultural heritage stuff that Australia loses, if its lost. All of Oz i.e. not just some of Oz.

I also know that some authorites dont disclose stuff if those with a reg interest seemingly do not know stuff. I was at a meeting recently where that happened with me disputing something said, then the whole meeting knew from what I said, re what I said, then what I said went missing from the Minutes, but then artefacts were acknowledged 'the whole way along' and that passed on to me, and I would like to know who has had those artefacts since 1970s as the Indigenous people or the Australian Museum, didn't it seems - as Oz law legislates is to happen.

Its amazing the aggro that Indigenous heritage stirs up. I fail to understand it but know that not all think how I do re Indigneous people, heritage and culture.

Wagga Council is totally nil to do with this stuff. Who cares what they think. They need to tend their own Council given its under investigation rather than carrying on about stuff 100k awat from their capitol that is nil to do with them and that they could NOT have had any real interest in as they DID NOT register an interest in it.

A31

The A31 logo looks very nice, but this system has not been introduced in NSW yet, and there is no date yet announced for its introduction. Quaidy 04:50, 3 October 2006 (UTC)

We've had M31 signs on the Hume Freeway in Albury (in NSW) for the past twelve months. As far as I know there's been no grand announcement, it's already being phased in. Same deal with the Riverina Hwy signs showing it as the B58. Graham (talk) 04:55, 13 March 2008 (UTC)

Mixture of alphanumeric and numeric signs at the intersection of the New England Highway and Golden Highway

The Hume is certainly not the only one to get such signage phased in. --Athol Mullen (talk) 08:27, 13 March 2008 (UTC)

Hume and Hovell

Why would they have a road that was named after Hume from the Hume an dHovell expedition, go a different direction to where its claimed on wik, that Hume and Hovell travelled. By rights, the hume Highway shoudl go via Tumut accordign to wik.

Isnt it amazing what some do to gain a tourist arrtaction.

The Hume Highway (or Great South Road) used to go to Harden, then to Brawlin, then across to Coolac. (Avoiding stuff again.)

Also, where is Major Mitchells Rd? Its probably the most significant trackway and it is being lost because of the concentration on Hume and Hovells route. Given Mitchell became Surveyor General also, its significant. That road and most of the other roads, didnt come through Gundagai till much later, skirting to the west of the town (and also avoiding the tolls). It was only when the Prince Alfred Bridge was built in the 1860s that the highway then came through Gundagai.

The Antarctic was west, 60+ mya. The South Pole was where Broken Hill is these days. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 203.54.174.59 (talk • contribs) 08:17, 25 October 2006 (UTC)

Coolac massacre - Reliable sources

I don't believe the reference cited for the Coolac massacre, http://help.com/post/3296/coolac-massacre/ , meets the criteria under Wikipedia:Reliable_sources#Using_online_and_self-published_sources - specifically Posts to bulletin boards, Usenet, and wikis, or messages left on blogs, should not be used as sources. --Golden Wattle ^talk 23:22, 24 October 2006 (UTC)

Help.com is more reliable than wik as it has the Coolac massacre posted. Lololololololol lolololol ha! Wik is totally not needed as there are heaps more out there will put stuff up. The Coolac Massacre post got collected from the other end, months ago though so it can also melt from help.com if it wants.

Help.com is not acceptable, sorry. That post represents the writer's opinion only (you, I suspect). It's not in the slightest bit acceptable as a source. Sarah Ewart (Talk) 08:32, 25 October 2006 (UTC)

Cute how help.com uses the wikipedia for its "primer"[5] and uses my photgraph (without attribution for the photo or the wikipedia) - must be very reliable!--Golden Wattle ^talk 10:16, 25 October 2006 (UTC)

The two ugly sisters have landed. Get lost you two. Go harass someone else. Help.com has more going for it then what you have made here, so that doesnt give here much kudos, does it. Go play at Voodoo. They like dimwits there. Find 'Black' and tell him I sent you.

I've blocked you for 12 hours for continuing your personal attacks. Please don't come back until the 12 hours is up. Sarah Ewart (Talk) 10:45, 25 October 2006 (UTC)

Mittagong bypass

I have deleted the following due to lack of cited sources: The road was built on a consolidated scree slope with considerable subterranean water flows‹The template Talkfact is being considered for merging.›  and may have also been affected by poorly charted 19th century coal mining.‹The template Talkfact is being considered for merging.›  As a result two new bridges had to be retrofitted to the road.‹The template Talkfact is being considered for merging.› 

I put this info here in the first place and I have read the documents concerned, but you would need an FOI request to get them out of the RTA.--Grahamec 00:28, 25 October 2006 (UTC)

Fair dinkum. 'We' were there for that job living at Welby. Doing a bridge ...

Old Names For Localities

Why doesnt someone include the old names for places. Coolac now is not Coolac 1830. Coolac 1830 is where Pettits is these days. It was gazetted as Coolac in the 1860s though, (maps available of f online Surveyor Generals Maps and Plans). It got moved too. In 1830 it wasnt Pettits or Coolac though. In the UK the authorites and historians know all the old names back for 1000s years. They do regularly change. Its odd. The UK have new 4000 year old Stonehenge and know heaps of their national story. We have 60,000 year arch including far better than the Henge, and dont even know what happened in 1950. A culture of coverup. Where has Sylvia's Gap gone off the Hume Highway? It was famous that place. No one would know of it now. Jugiong Hill substituted for a while. Dont mind me, we had the old Mayne Nicks depot so used to do the trucks and other stuff for a while. The mystery of Sylvia's Gap eh. You need to add the good plus dreadful bits of the story to the macadam (sorry, concrete).

Bypass developments October 2006

• Sydney Morning Herald of 30/10 - platypus colony at Albury + ABC of 3 Oct ref to archeological survey delays at Coolac (but work starts next year)--Golden Wattle ^talk 18:53, 30 October 2006 (UTC)
• I have removed that Construction has started since it hasn't due to the platypus colony, the on going archaeological survey and the tender hasn't been rewarded to a Construction Company yet. It's looking like that construction will start in December or early next year. -- Bidgee 11:23, 2 November 2006 (UTC)

Should we nominate this article?

Just browsing through this article, I think it is well structured enough and has a good amount of reliable refernces to nominate it for a Good Article. What do others think? I will nominate it within 7 days if no comments are posted. --Lakeyboy 08:26, 21 May 2007 (UTC)

There are too many errors in it Lakeyboy

most important and notable interstate highway?

I note that user:Lakeyboy has recently re-written the intro to claim that the Hume is "Australia's most important and notable interstate highway". I really don't think that this statement is appropriate but I haven't reverted it as yet. The Pacific Highway would easily be more infamous and hence notable. I also suspect that there would be people in many parts of the country who would disagree with the "most important" part. The F3 has previously been described as the busiest rural freeway in Australia. I would suggest that this statement either needs to be reverted or a reference found to support it and it be re-written to use that reference, such as by stating that "xyz has described it as Australia's most important and notable interstate highway". --Athol Mullen 13:23, 21 May 2007 (UTC)

Ok, maybe that's abit biased. I am from Melbourne so that is likely to occur in some of my edits. I will add to the sentence "one of" for now. --Lakeyboy 07:04, 22 May 2007 (UTC)

It's still WP:OR and probably shouldn't be there. If a reliable source stated that expressly then it could be added. I'd say the Eyre actually meets the criteria far better than the Hume. Orderinchaos 07:41, 14 June 2008 (UTC)

Is Most Notable

The Hume is the most notable because if it hadnt been pushed through when it was in 1838, southern Australia would now be a joint Irish/French/American dominion. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 203.54.186.172 (talk) 10:39, 2 April 2009 (UTC)

Enforcement of speed limits

I don't believe that the statement to the effect that "the speed limits ... are vigorously policed and unbendingly enforced" is verifiable, factual or able to be referenced, at least in NSW. I have primary source information and personal experience that indicates that 124km/h (calibrated) will not result in a NSW police officer stopping a light vehicle or issuing an infringement in 110km/h zones when detected on lidar or radar (the main forms of enforcement between Sydney and Canberra). Because that information is not secondary source, it cannot be used as a reference but it does indicate that finding a verifiable reference to support the statement presently in the article is unlikely to be possible. --Athol Mullen 12:12, 18 July 2007 (UTC)

I have deleted it - is is just someone's opinion, and how is "vigorously policed and unbendingly enforced" different to any other road in Australia? Wongm (talk) 07:44, 23 December 2007 (UTC)

I have personally been booked doing 120km/h in a 100km/h zone, on the Hume, in NSW. But, it's hardly verifiable..! --Commking (talk) 19:34, 28 June 2008 (UTC)

Indeed, but 20km/h in excess of the limit is past the fairly well known but unreferenced 18km/h threshold used by many NSW HWP cops. I'm pretty sure that the RTA's official line on fixed speed cameras is that they start at 10%+4km/h over the posted limit. That may be on the RTA web site, but the actual police threshold is unofficial and unreferencable as far as I know --Athol Mullen (talk) 07:28, 29 June 2008 (UTC)

Royal Parade

I'm wondering if there is any proof the the 'old' Hume Highway began at the Royal Pde roundabout with Elizabeth St? Even before the Cragieburn Bypass, there were no signs showing the "Hume Highway" name along Royal Pde. --Sk-4 (talk) 05:47, 22 December 2007 (UTC)

Checked a 1960 street directory and it was called Royal Parade then, with the next section known as Sydney Road, just as is the case today. Orderinchaos 09:29, 14 June 2008 (UTC)

Indeed, I always understood the Hume Hwy began at Boundary Rd just south of the Fawkner Cemetry and the northern boundary of what was once the City of Coburg. South of that point, Sydney Rd is a two-lane-each-way single carriageway road, on road parking etc. North of that point, the Hume Hwy is a three-lane-each-way divided road with a very wide median strip. Since the Hume Fwy to the Western Ring Rd opened, the highway style section of the Hume Hwy has been renamed (or at least resigned) to Sydney Rd, even in the sections that have not been bypassed. However, national route 31 used to go all the way down Royal Pde and maybe further, and not all highways are signed as such ; see the bottom section of List of highways in Melbourne for some examples. —Felix the Cassowary 00:15, 28 June 2008 (UTC)

Correct that it was not Hume Highway that far south - butt it was all part of state route 55. Check it out here: List_of_old_road_routes_in_Melbourne,_Victoria --Commking (talk) 07:58, 28 June 2008 (UTC)

Freeway Section Exits & Intersections

Sorry but I don't think it's needed [6] since a simple map can be just as good and and use a lot less space then the list. Bidgee (talk) 07:28, 14 June 2008 (UTC)

It is crufty for a highway of this length. A list of suburbs and towns it passes through and major roads it intersects with would be just as informative without the bulk. Orderinchaos 07:38, 14 June 2008 (UTC)

I agree, We don't really need to know the minor small roads, service stations ect. Bidgee (talk) 07:58, 14 June 2008 (UTC)

I may be slightly biased (I seem to recall writing the relevant section), but I think this one has about the right balance. Orderinchaos 09:28, 14 June 2008 (UTC)

Collapse.

Not really notable for the article ATM however could if the cause of it is notable but ATM no word on wht it happened just that it did. 12m pothole opens on highway Collapsed section of Hume causes delays -- Bidgee (talk) 16:55, 21 July 2008 (UTC)

Misuse of the word Freeway

I just did a quick read through this article and seems that someone who has been editing it does not understand the definition of a freeway. In particular, freeways do not have at grade intersections. By definition, the freeway in NSW ends where the "end freeway" signs say it ends, at the southern end of the Berrima bypass. There are some freeway sections further down, but it certainly isn't "freeway" all the way to just north of Tarcutta. Similarly, the article currently states that the road is freeway from the Melbourne freeway network to the Olympic Highway. Then there are details of at-grade intersections that are yet to be eliminated. Quite a lot of the highway is divided with at-grade intersections but is not freeway. Would somebody like to go through and correct this? It may take me a while to get around to it. --Athol Mullen (talk) 12:09, 30 August 2008 (UTC)

Are you saying that the 'Hume Freeway' in Victoria is not a 'freeway'? --122.107.178.246 (talk) 07:04, 14 April 2009 (UTC)