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June 9

Create Biography

How to create a Biography? —Preceding unsigned comment added by USMC2007 (talk • contribs) 01:08, 9 June 2009 (UTC)

Before creating an article, please search Wikipedia first to make sure that an article does not already exist on the subject. Please also review a few of our relevant policies and guidelines which all articles should comport with. As Wikipedia is an encyclopedia, articles must not contain original research, must be written from a neutral point of view, should cite to reliable sources which verify their content and must not contain unsourced, negative content about living people.

Articles must also demonstrate the notability of the subject. Please see our subject specific guidelines for people, bands and musicians, companies and organizations and web content and note that if you are closely associated with the subject, our conflict of interest guideline strongly recommends against you creating the article.

If you still think an article is appropriate, see Help:Starting a new page. You might also look at Wikipedia:Your first article and Wikipedia:How to write a great article for guidance, and please consider taking a tour through the Wikipedia:Tutorial so that you know how to properly format the article before creation. TNXMan 02:27, 9 June 2009 (UTC)

Page move gone wrong. Please help!

Ok to start off, I just want to say that I was not the user who did this. A user with good intentions who was trying to move the article Church of God (Anderson) to Church of God (Anderson, Indiana), but made a mistake when moving the page. He/she mispelled the name so moving the article to Church of God (Church of God (Anderson, Indiana). As anyone can see this can't stay this way. I was attempting to move it to the correct title, but I discovered that Church of God (Anderson, Indiana) already existed as a redirect to the article.

So my question is, how do I move an article to a redirect that already exists? If anyone can tell me how please do, or if you know what you are doing and have time by all means do yourself. Thanks. Ltwin (talk) 05:42, 9 June 2009 (UTC)

I deleted the middle redirect under WP:CSD#R3 as an improbably redirect. It looks like the Church of God (Anderson) now redirects directly to Church of God (Anderson, Indiana) without any problems. I hope that helps! --Jayron32.talk.contribs 05:51, 9 June 2009 (UTC)

Thanks alot. Ltwin (talk) 06:03, 9 June 2009 (UTC)

eteeap policies for recruitment and admission

hi, good afternoon i spending to long time to find the answer to my problem can u help me about this. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Tadski (talk • contribs) 06:21, 9 June 2009 (UTC)

This page is for questions about editing Wikipedia. Please consider asking this question at the Reference desk. They specialize in knowledge questions and will try to answer any question in the universe (except how to use Wikipedia, since that is what this Help Desk is for). Just follow the link, select the relevant section, and ask away. You could always try searching Wikipedia for an article related to the topic you want to know more about. I hope this helps. -Optigan13 (talk) 06:25, 9 June 2009 (UTC)

Solid Axles

How do differential action acts in an axle ? How differential lock performs and what they actually do to a differential and how and in what process? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Piku komal (talk • contribs) 07:39, 9 June 2009 (UTC)

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login account lost?

I forgot my password and chose the email password option but I did not get the email. My username is Kifo. I even got a password reminder in november last year. What can I do now? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 220.255.210.207 (talk) 10:07, 9 June 2009 (UTC)

Did you change email accounts in the mean time? If you got a password reminder last year, then why not use it to pull the password and access your account? (P.S. Check your email spam filter and trash can, sometimes email programs mistake password reminders as spam when they previously didn't. - 131.211.211.13 (talk) 10:24, 9 June 2009 (UTC)

The password reminder from Nov last year is no longer working. I am on Google mail and there is no password email in my spam mail folder.

Annoying mobile redirection...

I see that Wiki automatically redirects my iPhone to the mobile site 'http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/::Home' Furthermore, when I click on 'View this page on regular Wikipedia' it redirects me back to the mobile site. I have tried setting the User Agent in my Windows XP Safari to 'Mobile Safari 2.2.1 -- iPhone' and am redirected to the mobile page as before. However, this time the 'View this page...' works just fine.

Please, please, can we have a URL that will always bring up the Main Page.

One of the main reasons for having and iPhone is that the Web can be used in the same way as from the desktop. I do not want to use the mobile sites.

Would it not be possible to recognise that the browser is the iPhone Safari and therefore do not redirect the URL?

Many thanks. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Farfett (talk • contribs) 10:52, 9 June 2009 (UTC)

See Wikipedia:Village pump (technical)#Mobile site. ---— Gadget850 (Ed) ^talk 11:03, 9 June 2009 (UTC)

want to join

sir,i am an Indian citizen and i am 25 years old. Can i join French army if what will be the procedure??

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procedure to obtain an oekotex certificte for apparel garment

pls let me knoew the total system to obtain an oeko tex certificate for apparel garment? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 116.212.109.210 (talk) 11:30, 9 June 2009 (UTC)

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Same file name

• I am having difficulties to put this commons [1] image on en.wiki because the same file name on en.wiki already existed, please see File:Nicol David.jpg. How on earth can this happen ? Arteyu ? _{Blame it on me !} 12:45, 9 June 2009 (UTC)

The English Wikipedia and Commons have independent files. If an image name exists in both places then only the English Wikipedia version can be displayed in articles here. See Help:Images and other uploaded files#File name. You can change the name at Commons. PrimeHunter (talk) 13:11, 9 June 2009 (UTC)

Advice on request to remove a photo

I'm looking for advice on how to respond to this request for removal of a photo. I know that Wikipedia is not obligated to remove it -- it's correctly licensed and provides a good illustration for several articles -- but it could probably be replaced without too much trouble; there is no reason these articles need to be illustrated with this particular person. It's unlikely to generate much discussion on that talk page, so I'm trying to figure out where to go for advice on this? Thanks, cmadler (talk) 14:18, 9 June 2009 (UTC)

There seem to be two separate issues here: whether to delete photo altogether, or just remove it from certain articles.

• Deleting the photo seems unwarranted. See WP:CENSOR. If Wikipedia deleted everything that bothers somebody somewhere, we wouldn't have much of an encyclopedia left. For example, we have Depictions of Muhammad that bother a billion Muslims a lot more.
• You can illustrate an article with a photo of someone else, although in my opinion the case is weak even for doing this (see WP:NOTMEMORIAL which applies to the inverse case of memorializing non-notable people, and illustrates Wikipedia's lack of special concern for the sensitivities of the recently bereaved). To look for alternatives:
  • See Commons:Category:American Civil War Reenactment
  • Search for more free photos with {{Flickr free}}:
    • Search Flickr for images with the keywords: civil war reenactment under these licenses: cc-by or cc-by-sa - that finds hundreds of photos

See Commons:COM:EIC#Flickr for instructions on how to upload images from Flickr to Commons. I documented a complete example of uploading an image with the Flinfo tool. Regardless of the outcome of this case, if you are interested in the subject of reenactment, you could upload a lot of nice images from Flickr and help the project. --Teratornis (talk) 20:19, 9 June 2009 (UTC)

Thanks for the suggestions; I am not going to change the illustrations myself, but have suggested to the inquirers that they could both acheive their goal and help Wikipedia by finding and uploading a better image for these articles. Thanks, cmadler (talk) 20:34, 9 June 2009 (UTC)

Sign Talk page automatically

Why isn't this automatic? Shouldn't MediaWiki know the difference between an article page and a talk page, and append a signature automatically in a talk page? How many hours have been spent encouraging and reminding new users to do something that a computer can do for us?--Sphilbrick (talk) 14:36, 9 June 2009 (UTC)

SineBot does just that, but it is a bot not part of the MediaWiki software. – ukexpat (talk) 15:12, 9 June 2009 (UTC)

And that's why slakr is awesome. However, it doesn't catch every single comment. hmwithτ 20:29, 9 June 2009 (UTC)

And remarkable as it may seem, some users specifically opt out of having their unsigned posts automatically signed. See Category:Wikipedians who have opted out of automatic signing. (No, I don't understand this either.) Thus if automatic signing became part of the MediaWiki software, some people would object. As far as spending hours encouraging and reminding new users, it's usually enough to put the {{Unsigned}} template after their unsigned posts (if for some reason SineBot doesn't do it automatically), which displays a link to a document page that will teach the new users what to do. If new users cannot learn by picking up clues and reading the friendly manuals, they aren't likely to get very far on Wikipedia. Plus I like using the {{Unsigned}} template because it's less personal - it doesn't give the new user the feeling of having been corrected by another person. People tend to feel less bothered when corrected by a machine, because nobody feels socially inferior to a computer. --Teratornis (talk) 20:32, 9 June 2009 (UTC)

For completeness, I might mention the variant template {{Unsigned2}} which is more convenient since it does not require reversing the order of the time and user name from the history. --Teratornis (talk) 20:37, 9 June 2009 (UTC)

How do I properly attribute my information to another article?

It says I am violating copyright laws, but I am citing the source for every sentence. How can I correctly attribute the information to this website? http://www.michigan.gov/dhs/0,1607,7-124-5459_7097-174062--,00.html —Preceding unsigned comment added by TheRossmanGroup (talk • contribs) 16:30, 9 June 2009 (UTC)

Wikipedia cannot accept material that is copied and pasted from another website. If you look at the page in question, at the bottom, it states "Copyright © 2001-2007 State of Michigan". Since the material is copyrighted, we cannot use it. TNXMan 16:33, 9 June 2009 (UTC)

As a further note, you could re-write the info in your own words and cite the page as a source. Also, this page may be of use. TNXMan 16:38, 9 June 2009 (UTC)

Citing sources is a remedy for plagiarism, not copyright violation. As Tnxman307 notes, rewrite in your own words, but still reference, to note the source of the concepts.--Sphilbrick (talk) 17:44, 9 June 2009 (UTC)

microsoft medications for bert sugarman

please tell me how I can retrieve my list of medications that were placed on 4-15-09 when i had a Dell computer.

I now have an IMAC> Thanks —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.202.37.13 (talk) 16:58, 9 June 2009 (UTC)

Have you tried the computing section of Wikipedia's Reference Desk? They specialize in answering knowledge questions there; this help desk is only for questions about using Wikipedia. For your convenience, here is the link to post a question there: click here. I hope this helps. – ukexpat (talk) 17:00, 9 June 2009 (UTC)

(edit conflict) I'm sorry, but this help desk is questions about using Wikipedia. We have no way of retrieving info from your old computer. Someone at the computing reference desk may be able to help you. TNXMan 17:01, 9 June 2009 (UTC)

To histmerge or not to histmerge

Resolved

 –  – ukexpat (talk) 01:59, 10 June 2009 (UTC)

I'd been casually helping out a new user with the new article John of Arderne, but have since noticed that we already have the more substantial John Arderne, and the newer article should be merged and redirected. Reading a question at RfA recently made me wonder whether this is a case for a histmerge. There's little from John of Arderne that's likely to make it into the target article, but do we need to preserve what edits we have for GFDL purposes? Or am I overthinking this? Gonzonoir (talk) 17:39, 9 June 2009 (UTC)

I'd say go ahead and redirect John of Arderne to John Arderne. All the edits to the former will remain in its history, and if any material from it is added to John Arderne, simply indicating "information merged to John Arderne" and "information merged from John of Arderne" (with the wikilinks) in the edit summaries will ensure GFDL compliance. Deor (talk) 18:18, 9 June 2009 (UTC)

Thanks Deor. I thought I was probably overcomplicating this. Gonzonoir (talk) 18:49, 9 June 2009 (UTC)

Duplicate title, different info/person

I would like to contribute a biographical article about a jazz musician named Steve Hobbs. There is already a wikipedia article entitled "Steve Hobbs" about a congressman from the midwest (I think). How do I create anothwer article about a different Steve Hobbs? Thanks. Slappy645 (talk) 19:12, 9 June 2009 (UTC)

Please see Wikipedia:Disambiguation. Someguy1221 (talk) 19:31, 9 June 2009 (UTC)

creating a new topic

how will I create a new topic and post it for general view?—Preceding unsigned comment added by 118.95.42.99 (talk • contribs)

You will need to first register an account, which has many benefits, including the ability to create articles. Once you have registered, please search Wikipedia first to make sure that an article does not already exist on the subject. Please also review a few of our relevant policies and guidelines which all articles should comport with. As Wikipedia is an encyclopedia, articles must not contain original research, must be written from a neutral point of view, should cite to reliable sources which verify their content and must not contain unsourced, negative content about living people.

Articles must also demonstrate the notability of the subject. Please see our subject specific guidelines for people, bands and musicians, companies and organizations and web content and note that if you are closely associated with the subject, our conflict of interest guideline strongly recommends against you creating the article.

If you still think an article is appropriate, see Help:Starting a new page. You might also look at Wikipedia:Your first article and Wikipedia:How to write a great article for guidance, and please consider taking a tour through the Wikipedia:Tutorial so that you know how to properly format the article before creation. – ukexpat (talk) 20:22, 9 June 2009 (UTC)

What do you want to write about? --Teratornis (talk) 01:30, 10 June 2009 (UTC)

List_of_Jewish_actors

I seem to have a problem reverting a particular edit. The history of the problem was that I made an edit earlier this week which was marked as Vandalism and deleted by another user. I don't want to enter into an edit war with the user, but my intention was made clear on the talk page for the article for two months prior to the edit allowing him or any other user an opportunity to object. I subsequently left him a message on his talk page asking him to discuss the reasons for his reversion which he has failed to do. So I sought to return the article to the format it was in before his editing - but every time I re-enter the content the server returns a http 500 error and fails to update the page. Is there something specifically wrong that I need to address in order to return it to the earlier state? I should add that the mass of formatting I had to do to fix the inherent problems in the previous article was all tested in Sandbox5 and successfully submitted both there and in the original edit of the article but can't be submitted since his reversion. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 149.254.217.49 (talk) 21:18, 9 June 2009 (UTC)

Update, got an error page this time (reverting to an even older edit) this messgae reads: Request: POST http://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=List_of_Jewish_actors&action=submit, from 149.254.217.61 via knsq7.knams.wikimedia.org (squid/2.7.STABLE6) to 91.198.174.14 (91.198.174.14)

Error: ERR_READ_TIMEOUT, errno [No Error] at Wed, 10 Jun 2009 06:36:43 GMT

So Wikipedia is Proxying the connection but the timeout on the connection is too slow - is there anything that can be done to bypass the proxy or alter the timeout?149.254.217.61 (talk) 06:43, 10 June 2009 (UTC)

Ah, I see you managed to make the changes. I suspect there's no way to avoid this problem, other than repeatedly trying until you aren't getting a timeout. From a look at the changes you made, the table seems like a good idea organisationally (although I don't know much about the subject in general). Unfortunately, an unregistered editor making significant changes to an article seems to raise red flags with some editors and bots for vandalism, although this was not the case here. The editor who reverted your changes doesn't seem to have edited since their reversion, so he/she may not be online and might not have seen your query yet. Needless to say, I think if no-one commented on your proposed change after two months, it was reasonable to go ahead with it; that's what we have bold-revert-discuss for after all, and your edit summary should clarify matters.

Perhaps, if you experience the same errors again, the people at the the technical village pump might be able to help. I suspect that due to the article's size, any future edits might run into the same problem. I wonder if there would be any value in splitting the article?--Kateshortforbob 11:05, 10 June 2009 (UTC)

yes thanks, it was a round-about way revert to the oldest (and smallest) of the articles and then remake any changes by other users between that and the final reversion. Splitting the Article is almost certainly required and I think a split on Nationality will be the best soloution but I was only casually interested in the article (looking for some information that I had difficulty locating in the old list) and saw the need for the change. I'm not currently commited enough to do all the work required to create the split. 13:10, 10 June 2009 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 149.254.219.53 (talk)

Can't see the article I just wrote and saved ....

I created an account. logged in, and wrote an article titled Earthian Society.

When I search for the article, it comes up blank. When I log in to my account, and look at "my edits" there is nothing there. Where is my article?

Thanks —Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.185.217.149 (talk) 22:18, 9 June 2009 (UTC)

You are not logged in now. What account were you logged in to? —teb728 t c 22:50, 9 June 2009 (UTC)

We need this information. If the page was deleted then only administrators can see the edits in the contributions for the account. PrimeHunter (talk) 03:00, 10 June 2009 (UTC)

I cannot find any article by the name of Earthian Society in the deletion logs. – ukexpat (talk) 03:23, 10 June 2009 (UTC)

Ditto, I can't find one for Earthian Society, Earthian society, The Earthian Society, The Earthian society, or any other similar name. What was the exact title of the article? hmwithτ 11:29, 10 June 2009 (UTC)

If you provide your username, we can also find the exact title. hmwithτ 11:30, 10 June 2009 (UTC)

Yaha. I've found User:Deejay52 which may be it. Can somebody else can answer the question, sorry I don't have time? - Jarry1250 ^{(t, c)} 17:02, 10 June 2009 (UTC)

Wikipedia has updated its search index since my first post. I guess that is how Jarry1250 found User:Deejay52. Is that you? The account has no deleted edits. If you log in to it and click "my contributions" then you should see Special:Contributions/Deejay52 which shows 3 edits to User:Deejay52. That is your user page and not an article. If the content was moved to an article like Earthian Society then it should be speedily deleted per WP:CSD#A7. As a user page it also risks being speedily deleted per WP:CSD#G11. If you want to write a real Wikipedia article then see Wikipedia:Your first article. But your organization does not appear to satisfy Wikipedia:Notability (organizations and companies) and you have a conflict of interest so I recommend against it. See also Wikipedia:FAQ/Organizations. PrimeHunter (talk) 19:13, 10 June 2009 (UTC)

Much of the content of your draft page is copied from the referenced external site, which is marked with a copyright notice. The Terms of Use page at that site does not grant a free license. So your draft page could also be deleted as a copyright violation. Please rewrite it in your own words. Also the edit summary of your first edit to your draft says, "This page should not be edited." Please note that all content on Wikipedia is subject to editing by anyone. —teb728 t c 00:58, 11 June 2009 (UTC)

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June 10

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How to edit an image?

Trying to update an image already uploaded, but can't figure out how. No button or nothing. Help? Ericleb010 (talk) 01:54, 10 June 2009 (UTC)

You would have to upload a new version of the image but only autoconfirmed accounts can upload images to the English Wikipedia. PrimeHunter (talk) 02:22, 10 June 2009 (UTC)

(Sorry, was logged into wrong account) I'm autoconfirmed but what do I do? Just upload the image with the same file name using the upload form? Ericleb01 (talk) 02:29, 10 June 2009 (UTC)

Click "Upload a new version of this file" near the bottom. If the image is at Commons then you may have to first view the description page there, for example by clicking a link saying "description page there". PrimeHunter (talk) 02:54, 10 June 2009 (UTC)

The only option I can find to edit anything is by doing it externally. Nothing else is available. And yes, it's at Commons. Ericleb01 (talk) 03:06, 10 June 2009 (UTC)

Never mind, need the new account over at Commons to be 4 days old... thought it was somehow linked to my Wikipedia one. Ericleb01 (talk) 03:16, 10 June 2009 (UTC)

You can unify you Wikipedia and Commons accounts by heading over to WP:SUL. – ukexpat (talk) 03:21, 10 June 2009 (UTC)

New accounts can upload at Commons. PrimeHunter (talk) 03:34, 10 June 2009 (UTC)

They can't reupload, though. Algebraist 14:41, 10 June 2009 (UTC)

Reference Desk for biz

I often see many queries on the Humanities Reference Desk that deal with business. Would it be practical to start a RefDesk specifically for businesses? Or is that too narrow a spectrum?--Ractogon (talk) 02:47, 10 June 2009 (UTC)

It sounds narrow to me. A better place to discuss would be Wikipedia talk:Reference desk. PrimeHunter (talk) 02:56, 10 June 2009 (UTC)

(EC)The best places to raise this issue are at Wikipedia talk:Reference desk and at Wikipedia:Village pump (proposals). --Jayron32.talk.contribs 02:57, 10 June 2009 (UTC)

I have posted a new section on both pages regarding the matter. Thanks for your replies!--Ractogon (talk) 21:23, 10 June 2009 (UTC)

delete wikipedia defamatory pages

After attempting a minor alteration to a wikipedia page, the page was quickly changed back and gave instructions to use the living persons notice board , which I never found after searching several areas? However, the problem is not simply altering the page, but the page should be removed or origin of proof needs to be included.

An example: John Seigenthaler: contained false and defamatory content/ upon contact wikipedia deleted the pages.

The current reference is Doctor Roberta Sykes which contains false and defamatory content without any reference to providing proof.

Please advise how the above page can be removed and protected from further defamation? 03:11, 10 June 2009 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 220.101.175.35 (talk)

The WP:BLP experts hang out at WP:BLPN. For the moment I have tagged Bobbi Sykes with {{BLPunsourced}}. Your edits were also not very encyclopedic and equally unsourced.  – ukexpat (talk) 03:27, 10 June 2009 (UTC)

The unsourced tag is appropriate (currently), along with an explanation from the original contributor and sources, including proof of references. Additional historical information is accessable and verifiable to Wikipedia for Doctor Roberta Sykes-(aka-Bobbi Sykes) with confirmation from Wikipedia protection from any further defamatory depiction. Wikipedia: comment added by 220.101.175.35 (talk) 13:30, 10 June 2009 (UTC)

User's created pages

Is there a quick way to find out what pages a user has created, besides this tool? I know there must be, but for the life of me, I just can't find it. Sophus Bie ^(talk) 10:55, 10 June 2009 (UTC)

Special:Preferences → Gadgets → Add page and user options to drop-down menus on the toolbar. When on a user page, you will have a User tab, hover over it and you will get several options including Contributions. See User:Haza-w/Drop-down menus for more info. ---— Gadget850 (Ed) ^talk 11:13, 10 June 2009 (UTC)

However...

Thanks! (However, is there any way to find what articles they've started without JavaScript enabled?) Sophus Bie ^(talk) 11:23, 10 June 2009 (UTC)

Certainly. Copy the user name, click on 'my contributions' at the top of the page, then paste the name into the URL over your name, then press enter. ---— Gadget850 (Ed) ^talk 15:12, 10 June 2009 (UTC)

You don't even need to monkey around with the URL, just paste the user's name into the User box/field on the contributions page and hit the Search button. But note that both methods will show all the user's contributions, not just the pages they have created. – ukexpat (talk) 15:27, 10 June 2009 (UTC)

What I'm trying to achieve is a list composed only of the articles that a user has created, not edited. Is there a way to do that? Sophus Bie ^(talk) 15:28, 10 June 2009 (UTC)

It should work to use Special:Newpages and filter on user, but when I try I only get one or two results, not sure why it does not work?? --Stefan ^talk 07:36, 11 June 2009 (UTC)

Random statement on user page refresh

I'm looking to see how I would go about creating a random statement on my user page everytime I refresh it from a set list of statements. I'm almost positive I'm going to have to invoke {{rand}} to accomplish this task, but i'm not sure how. Essentially I want to have a small database of statements that will display on my userpage differently each refresh

This is random statement 561 *refresh* This is random statement 12 *refresh* This is random statement 42

I'm sure it's a trivial matter but I haven't figured it out. Thanks.  :-)  Fyyer  12:53, 10 June 2009 (UTC)

Try this:

This is random statement 1

You may have to purge or preview or edit the page to get a new random number. Otherwise you may just keep getting what Wikipedia has cached. PrimeHunter (talk) 18:53, 10 June 2009 (UTC)

Yep that works. Thanks alot.  Fyyer  02:11, 11 June 2009 (UTC)

Is it possible to contact an editor of a page so that we may collaborate on the information before publishing.

I would like to help contribute to a page on Lypkivsky. It was recently updated, so I know there is someone else interested in expanding the wiki page. I would like to know if it is possible to contact the other editors of the page so that we can collaborate before changing the current content. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Shrekde (talk • contribs) 14:54, 10 June 2009 (UTC)

The best way to do this is to use the article's talk page. I'm not sure to which article you are referring, otherwise I would provide a link for you. However, you may find this page useful in learning about talk pages. TNXMan 14:57, 10 June 2009 (UTC)

Do you mean this page? You can also leave a message on another user's talk page. If you look through the page's revision history you can see which editors did what. If you find someone you want to discuss things or collaborate with, you could then leave a message on that user's talk page. However, if it has to do with specifics in the article, it's probably best to discuss it on the article's page as Tnxman says so that others will be able to find it in the future. Leaving a note on a users talk page directing them to your comments on the article's talk page is another possibility. TastyCakes (talk) 15:01, 10 June 2009 (UTC)

See Help:Talk page and Wikipedia:Talk page guidelines. --Teratornis (talk) 18:11, 10 June 2009 (UTC)

Emailing an article to a friend outside of Wikipedia from within Wikipedia

Is there an internal function within Wikipedia that I can use to "easily" email an article to a friend who hasn't signed up as a registered Wikipedia user? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Dwinser (talk • contribs) 16:24, 10 June 2009 (UTC)

I don't know of an internal function, but copying and pasting the link is one way of doing that. TNXMan 16:25, 10 June 2009 (UTC)

Anyone can see article's on Wikipedia, so a simple link should suffice. Alternatively, you can generate a PDF version of the page and e-mail that. To do this open the article you inted to send and select "PDF version" under the "Toolbox" section on the left hand side of the screen. Excirial ^{(Contact me,Contribs)} 16:29, 10 June 2009 (UTC)

Image Uploaded to "Commons." Now what? How do I get it to the article I want?

Resolved

 –  – ukexpat (talk) 18:47, 10 June 2009 (UTC)

I uploaded a picture that I took of my skin tag (File:Skintagonrightfemalebreastac.JPG) to the Commons Page. I want it posted on the article for "Skin Tags." I don't know how to do this, & I'm tired of looking at the help pages that I can't seem to find help. Could someone please upload this to the page for me? I'm computer illiterate, & am surprised I managed to get as far as I did. Any help would be greatly appreciated!

AC —Preceding unsigned comment added by Amy Crow (talk • contribs) 17:09, 10 June 2009 (UTC)

Hi Amy, it all looks OK to me - the image is in Commons, but it's also replicated here. You can include it in articles simply by using [[File:Skintagonrightfemalebreastac.JPG]]. You can see the image in Wikipedia [[:File:Skintagonrightfemalebreastac.JPG|here]]. You've probably already seen Wikipedia:Images, but that has more details on using images in articles, including thumbnails, sizing, etc.

Cheers, This flag once was red^propaganda_deeds 17:20, 10 June 2009 (UTC)

I've added it to the page for you, as you seemed to be requesting that someone would do that, see here: Acrochordon for the code I used, all the best Spitfire^Tally-ho! 17:23, 10 June 2009 (UTC)

Oops, apologies for not doing that myself - I got sidetracked once I worked out the image had been uploaded OK. Cheers, This flag once was red^propaganda_deeds 17:53, 10 June 2009 (UTC)

Thanks so much! The article looks great! I hope my image is useful for someone doing research on this. I wish my camera had focused closer, but I took it of myself, & it was kinda hard to do. Anyway, I'm rambling. Thanks for uploading the pic to the article! —Preceding unsigned comment added by Amy Crow (talk • contribs) 18:38, 10 June 2009 (UTC)

I have a personal anecdote to share about the late actor David Carradine

It's factual but just an anecdote.

Should I post in on Wikipedia? If so, where? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 12.167.3.21 (talk) 17:20, 10 June 2009 (UTC)

No, sorry, but everything on wikipedia must be verifiable via reliable sources, but thanks a lot for asking first, that shows a degree of prudence, all the best Spitfire^Tally-ho! 17:27, 10 June 2009 (UTC)

Yes, we don't allow original research. hmwithτ 19:57, 10 June 2009 (UTC)

Quick question

Does anyone know what I might have done here and why nothing odd actually appeared on the noticeboard? TNXMan 17:48, 10 June 2009 (UTC)

At a guess, you accidentally subst'ed {{UAA}} instead of transcluding it. This also broke it, I think. - Jarry1250 ^{(t, c)} 17:52, 10 June 2009 (UTC)

Basing myself purely on the code you showed, i assume you placed a template but did not subst it? It seems to be a code that substitures the template for the correct message. EG: If the parameter for the template would be "S" it would place a notice that the user should go to WP:SSP, while an "A" would substitute for an "Report to Ani" template. Nothing weird appeared because the template is still correctly substituting the "Wait till user edits" template as it should Excirial ^{(Contact me,Contribs)} 17:55, 10 June 2009 (UTC)

Hmm. I bet I subst'ed on accident. Thanks for the assist. TNXMan 17:59, 10 June 2009 (UTC)

Public Domain

How do I find out if 'Trucker Girl" is Public Domain? Thank you! Lara Riedel —Preceding unsigned comment added by LaraRiedel (talk • contribs) 19:06, 10 June 2009 (UTC)

Sorry but you question is not clear - are you talking about an image, a website, a publication? – ukexpat (talk) 19:15, 10 June 2009 (UTC)

I want to upload a picture for Richard Krawiec, how do I do it?

Resolved

 –  – ukexpat (talk) 21:04, 10 June 2009 (UTC)

I have the permission but I don't know at all how to upload.Rich PetersonRich (talk) 19:35, 10 June 2009 (UTC)

See Help:Images and other uploaded files. hmwithτ 19:54, 10 June 2009 (UTC)

However, if it is a copyrighted image and the copyright holder gave you permission to use the image, you need send proof of that to OTRS. See more information at Wikipedia:Requesting copyright permission. hmwithτ 19:55, 10 June 2009 (UTC)

So, do I need to join wikimedia commons to get it uploaded?75.45.106.99 (talk) 19:58, 10 June 2009 (UTC)

Not necessarily - if you own the copyright, please upload to Commons (go to WP:SUL to unify accounts). If someone else owns the copyright and is releasing it for use on Wikipedia, it should be uploaded here and the process at WP:IOWN followed to release it. – ukexpat (talk) 20:05, 10 June 2009 (UTC)

Thanks75.45.106.99 (talk) 20:25, 10 June 2009 (UTC)

Couple of points - you will need to log in and your account must be autoconfirmed (10 edits and 4 days old) before you can upload here on Wikipedia. There are no autoconfirmation requirements on Commons. – ukexpat (talk) 21:02, 10 June 2009 (UTC)

Editing an Article for a different meaning but with the same name...

Hi,

I tried to edit an article earlier today. The article is 'After the Ordeal' which is a song by rock band 'Genesis'. After The Ordeal is also the name of my rock band and I wanted to add an article about us as we have mentions on other article (i.e. music festivals) but no link to information about us. I added my edit underneath the origianl article and it appeared at first but has since dissapeared. I would just like to know how to go about keeping it there, or how to start a seperate article but with the same name.

Thanks,

Gaz ATO

--Gaz ATO (talk) 21:18, 10 June 2009 (UTC)

See WP:DISAMBIG. hmwithτ 21:28, 10 June 2009 (UTC)

The easiest way would be to simply click here: After The Ordeal (band) and start editing. However, having done a little research, it may seem as if your band may not meet the relevant guideline for inclusion (WP:MUSIC). If this is indeed the case, the article is likely to be deleted shortly after its creation. decltype (talk) 21:49, 10 June 2009 (UTC)

Problem with formatting of footnotes

Hi, I included a second separate section for explanatory notes for Magdalena Neuner. I used this template {{#tag:ref|...|group="note"}}, because references can't be nested and I also wanted to give a source. Now I can't figure out a way how to use the same footnote twice (something comparable to the 'ref name=' function for normal references). Maybe someone knows an easy way to do this. EnemyOfTheState_|talk 22:36, 10 June 2009 (UTC)

If you use the {{ref}} and {{note}} templates you can do -

Someone once said something.^[a] Later they did something else.^[b]. It was later found that they did the first thing wrong.^[c]

Notes

• ^{a c} The thing they said was important, but it wasn't true.
• ^b This thing was really boring.

References

Hope that helps somewhat. Nanonic (talk) 00:58, 11 June 2009 (UTC)

Yep, that would work. Thanks. EnemyOfTheState_|talk 19:52, 11 June 2009 (UTC)

June 11

Improper category listings in article

Resolved

 –  – ukexpat (talk) 01:00, 11 June 2009 (UTC)

If I find several category tags in an article which are completely inappropriate for the article, do I just remove them and note why in the edit summary? Or do I have to go to a board somewhere and make a case for why they should be removed?

As a corollary question - if deleting the inappropriate category tags will leave the article with no associated categorization, is that okay? Or do I have to find a category that would be appropriate and leave it in the place of what is removed? Thanks. --Garyww67 ^{☎ ☸} 00:37, 11 June 2009 (UTC)

As to the first, be bold. Generally, for any edit that doesn't appear controversial, do it and then if someone reverts you discuss it. As to the second, it's up to you, but the more you can help, the better. Confusing Manifestation(Say hi!) 00:42, 11 June 2009 (UTC)

Thank you!--Garyww67 ^{☎ ☸} 00:52, 11 June 2009 (UTC)

using interwikis as sources

Resolved

Wikipedia:Verifiability#Self-published_sources_.28online_and_paper.29 clearly says that we are not allowed to use Wikipedia as a source. Where does it mention anything about interwikis? Debresser (talk) 01:46, 11 June 2009 (UTC)

The concept of a "wiki" means that no Wiki can be considered a reliable source. Reliability requires editorial control; that is that material is vetted, edited, peer reviewed, or otherwise goes through an indepth process to ensure accuracy and reliability. The nature of all Wikis is that they are instantly changable and have zero editorial control. That is why Wikis cannot be considered reliable. Its no different in this regard than a web forum or a blog. --Jayron32.talk.contribs 02:25, 11 June 2009 (UTC)

(e/c) When you say interwikis, may I assume you mean foreign language Wikipedias (and other Wikimedia projects)? If so, the link you provide says to avoid "self-published media" and includes "open wikis" in that list. All other language Wikipedias are open wikis. While it does have this specificity, we come to the same result without it. We should use "reliable sources", meaning "sources with a reputation for fact-checking and accuracy". That is certainly not true of en.Wikipedia in general, nor its foreign brethren (though much of our best content is fairly reliable). Note also that in general we favor secondary sources over tertiary source such as encyclopedias. Cheers.--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 02:32, 11 June 2009 (UTC)

I didn't know the meaning of the term "open wikis", it turns out. Thank you. Debresser (talk) 02:34, 11 June 2009 (UTC)

Booker T. Washington High School

How do I include a school that is not listed on the Booker T. Washington School page? 96.241.167.45 (talk) 03:06, 11 June 2009 (UTC)

I added a heading - I assume this is the article that you are referring to. Edit the article to add the school to the list using similar formatting to the existing entries. – ukexpat (talk) 03:41, 11 June 2009 (UTC)

arch corses

wat is the difference between b.arch and b.tech arch corses —Preceding unsigned comment added by 59.92.7.23 (talk) 05:25, 11 June 2009 (UTC)

Hello. I suspect, based on your question, that you found one of our over 2.8 million articles, and thought that we were directly affiliated in some way with that subject. Please note that you are at Wikipedia, the online free encyclopedia that anyone can edit, and this page is a help desk for asking questions related to using the encyclopedia. Thus, we have no inside track on the subject of your question. You can, however, search our vast catalogue of articles by typing a subject into the search field on the left hand side of your screen. If that is not fruitful, we have a reference desk, divided into various subject areas, where asking knowledge questions is welcome. Best of luck. —teb728 t c 06:39, 11 June 2009 (UTC)

This page is for questions about editing Wikipedia. Please consider asking this question at the Reference desk. They specialize in knowledge questions and will try to answer any question in the universe (except how to use Wikipedia, since that is what this Help Desk is for). Just follow the link, select the relevant section, and ask away. You could always try searching Wikipedia for an article related to the topic you want to know more about. I hope this helps. Excirial ^{(Contact me,Contribs)} 07:14, 11 June 2009 (UTC)

Tool to find a Wikipedian's contributions to one article

Is there a tool that I can use to find a Wikipedian's (mine in particuler) contributions to one particular article? Using the article's edit history is not practical, because one that I am thinking of is very actively edited, and my edits started a few years ago. I don't see a way to filter my contributions or sort by page name. Finell (Talk) 05:37, 11 June 2009 (UTC)

This tool gives one's edit count for an article (just replace "Pennsylvania" with the article you want), but that's just your edit count for an article, if you want to see your contributions filtered, I'm not really sure how to do that. AlexiusHoratius 05:53, 11 June 2009 (UTC)

You can also try User:AmiDaniel/WhodunitQuery, but not really what I think you want. Think there is a web tool for what you want, but can not find it now. --Stefan ^talk 06:41, 11 June 2009 (UTC)

I'm adding User:AmiDaniel/WhodunitQuery to my tool box for other reasons (thanks!), but I'm still looking for a way to do what I originally asked, if anyone can suggest something. Finell (Talk) 18:54, 11 June 2009 (UTC)

Sub Page

Resolved

Hello Fellow Wikipedians!

Losing my mind over a certain question. Any help would be appreciated.

I saved an article on my Userpage yesterday. I think I was supposed to use a Subpage instead.

Can't seem to find my way to a Subpage to enter the article information there.

Please help.

Note: The "Move" option does not appear either. I made 11 changes and have had the account for over 4 days.

Thank you.

- Mares

Maresborrego (talk) 07:36, 11 June 2009 (UTC)

I moved the article to User:Maresborrego/Edward Paul Reyes for you; I assume that is the title where it should be? As for moving a page: The "Move" tab should be visible on top of the page, on the right side of the history tab. Personally i can only see 7 edits made trough this account, which could be the reason why you can not move a page yet. 3 more edits, and you should be a-ok to do this yourself :) Excirial ^{(Contact me,Contribs)} 07:53, 11 June 2009 (UTC)

admission in engineering college

can i get admission in college of engineering and technology chandigarh in electronics as i have got 42229 rank in aieee. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 121.245.71.122 (talk) 10:05, 11 June 2009 (UTC)

This page is for questions about editing Wikipedia. Please consider asking this question at the Reference desk. They specialize in knowledge questions and will try to answer any question in the universe (except how to use Wikipedia, since that is what this Help Desk is for). Just follow the link, select the relevant section, and ask away. You could always try searching Wikipedia for an article related to the topic you want to know more about. I hope this helps. Excirial ^{(Contact me,Contribs)} 10:21, 11 June 2009 (UTC)

Please contact your preferred college or university. E Wing (talk) 10:46, 11 June 2009 (UTC

CITY College, Affiliated Institution of Sheffield, Thessaloniki-page deleted

Hello and good day!

I am registered under name Floropoulou at Wikipedia, and in the behalf of CITY College, Affiliated University of Sheffield, Thessaloniki I was in charge for main information about CITY College at Wikipedia.

I approached the page 2 weeks ago in order to see some information and everything was OK.

But now I can see that the page is not longer there, it has been deleted, but without any information nor any explanation.

Please can you help me with this issue in order to bring back the page of CITY College, Affiliated Institution of Sheffield, Thessaloniki? Please, be kind to reply me ASAP, because this is of high importance for our university.

Many thanks in advance and sorry for disturbing but this matter is very important for our University.

Best regards, Floropoulou —Preceding unsigned comment added by Floropoulou (talk • contribs) 10:36, 11 June 2009 (UTC)

Basing myself on the deletion log, the page was deleted under the CSD guideline, section G11. This means that the page was deemed to be an advertisement for the subject, rather then being an encyclopedic article. Deletion under the CSD guideline implies that an article in a shape that would require a full rewrite of the article, rather then simple modifications to be compliant to our guidelines.

As for bringing the article back, i would suggest rewriting it in accordance to our policies, and in specific Notability, Verifiability and Neutral point of view guidelines. I also urge you to read WP:COI as your position gives you an inherent conflict of interest with the article's subject. Editing article's while having a CoI is strongly discouraged, and in some times even prohibited. I hope this helps, Excirial ^{(Contact me,Contribs)} 11:13, 11 June 2009 (UTC)

Signature help?

Resolved

I want to change the color of my signature. Right now it's this: Aditya ^α _ß . I want it to be in this colour: #000080. I've tried adding <font color="#000080"> and </font> at the end but it doesn't seem to work. Any idea why? Thanks. Aditya ^α _ß 12:21, 11 June 2009 (UTC)

Use it inside the link, like this:

'''[[User:Aditya|<font color="#000080">Aditya</font>]]'''

Which will produce: Aditya

Hope that helps :) Chamal ^talk 12:30, 11 June 2009 (UTC)

It makes the code huge, but it works! Thanks for the help. Aditya^α _ß 12:35, 11 June 2009 (UTC)

Tom Van Flandern?

I tried to close this case as it had had no activity since April. Did I close it correctly? Ecw.Technoid.Dweeb | contributions | talk | ☮✌☮ 13:06, 11 June 2009 (UTC)

Looks OK to me. I would just leave a note in the comments section indicating why you closed it. TNXMan 13:26, 11 June 2009 (UTC)

Classification as a stub?

I am working on a page with the subject of a school as a subpage of my userpage. One time when I went to edit this page, I noticed it had been classified as a stub. Is this allowed by procedure? Or, to put it in a less confusing, and more general way, Are articles under construction in user subpages allowed to be classified as regular articles? The page in question is here. Poker5463 (talk) 13:53, 11 June 2009 (UTC)

Such tags should be regarded as hints as to problems existing with the current version, rather than as condemnations. --Orange Mike | Talk 14:23, 11 June 2009 (UTC)

But should they be added to pages in user space? I think not, because if they are they add the subpage to the stub category and that isn't appropriate for user space pages. – ukexpat (talk) 14:33, 11 June 2009 (UTC)

Ukexpat has the exact thing I'm talking about, but I was not sure whether or not this is right. this is aarticle, but not in the main space. I am not sure at all on this discussion. It seems to be as if it is an article, but it is not in the article page for this topic. Poker5463 (talk) 15:16, 11 June 2009 (UTC) - sorry, i meant that Ukexpat has the major topic. I am attempting to discern, from users more experienced than I, whether or not this tag belong's on my user subpage. Poker5463 (talk) 15:22, 11 June 2009 (UTC)

User pages are distinct from articles. If a particular message template and its corresponding category only pertain to articles, then I would think a subpage should not display the template nor categorize into the category. The idea for the category is to guide other editors to articles that need work, whereas the point of making a user subpage is to allow one user to work on something for a while before opening it up to other users. The template in question appears to be {{school-stub}}. WP:STUB says: "A stub is an article containing only a few sentences of text which is too short to provide encyclopedic coverage of a subject, but not so short as to provide no useful information." As a second issue, I would say User:Poker5463/Dutchess Day School in its current revision is already looking too long to be a stub. The goal on Wikipedia is for stub templates to be only temporary, so you would remove the template if your page was a real article when it grew to start class - which is about where it looks to be now. See {{grading scheme}}. --Teratornis (talk) 19:16, 11 June 2009 (UTC)

I am not sure if the tag even belongs there in the first place. Should I bring this up with the project, or is this the right place, or should I go somewhere else? Thanks to all who have helped so far. Poker5463 ^Repeater 21:20, 16 June 2009 (UTC)

Lyrics Pages

I have been curious as to why there are no links from songs on wiki to the full and correct lyrics...is there a legal reason for this or it has just not been done? If it can be done how should I/all the other users of wiki go about correcting this. It seems that as useful as wiki is for looking up information on artists/songs the correct lyrics should also be kept here.Ewrenn256 (talk) 14:27, 11 June 2009 (UTC)

Copyright, mostly. WP:LYRICS has more detail, but basically it's copyright. In cases where copyright has expired Wikisource would be a better location, with a link to Wikisource in the article here in Wikipedia.

Cheers, This flag once was red^propaganda_deeds 14:30, 11 June 2009 (UTC)

You are free to put external links in that direct to a page that does not violate copyright, for instance, some artists post the lyrics to their songs on their offical site's, so its fine to link to these, but otherwise external links to copyright violations should be avoided. All the best Spitfire^Tally-ho! 14:36, 11 June 2009 (UTC)

where to comment

Where should I go to comment on an admin's deletion of a user page and history? Thanks. --Rajah (talk) 15:23, 11 June 2009 (UTC)

I would suggest discussing the issue with the admin in question first. If you still have questions, there is a place to review deletions or an admin's noticeboard. TNXMan 15:42, 11 June 2009 (UTC)

Bot for searching

Where can I find a bot that only grabs pages and searches text inside? For example, I have a list of 50 articles, and I want to see which ones contain „string”. Thanks Ark25 (talk) 15:28, 11 June 2009 (UTC)

I think that WP:BOTREQ can help you with this - it is actually an really easy task to program a bot with those capacities. Excirial ^{(Contact me,Contribs)} 16:20, 11 June 2009 (UTC)

Romanian Map

I've used the Romanian map to do a short movie for my College partners:

[2]

Don't know if it's useful but the movie can be remade if someone finds it useful. Thanks! --TudorTulok (talk) 17:41, 11 June 2009 (UTC)

Did you use a non-freely licensed song in the soundtrack? --Teratornis (talk) 18:51, 11 June 2009 (UTC)

Both music fragments are composed by me. Does it change something? --TudorTulok (talk) 19:02, 11 June 2009 (UTC)

WP:EL says Wikipedia should not link to external pages that contain copyright violations. If you plan to distribute creative works for other people to use freely, see Creative Commons to familiarize yourself with how to license your works to make your permission explicit. Otherwise by default everything is under copyright of its creator(s) and other people are unsure of their legal basis to re-use someone else's work. Incidentally, the video you made appears to use the map in a purely artistic way. However, Wikipedia needs more animated maps to display encyclopedic content. For example, see:

• File:United States installed wind power capacity animation 561px.gif
• Commons:Category:Animated maps of the United States
• Commons:Category:Animated maps

Using animated maps to display statistical data for a nation or region may seem somewhat boring, but this is an encyclopedia, so boring is what we do. --Teratornis (talk) 19:29, 11 June 2009 (UTC)

You may find these other pages interesting, or not:

• Commons:Commons:Meet our illustrators
• Commons:Commons:Meet our photographers
• Commons:Commons:Audio and video requests
• Commons:Help:Converting video

--Teratornis (talk) 19:35, 11 June 2009 (UTC)

Thanks for all these, I am clarified with the utility of my map show. --TudorTulok (talk) 23:05, 11 June 2009 (UTC)

Checking articles created by user

Is there any way to get full lists of articles created by Wikipedia users (for example by me)? Mikael Häggström (talk) 18:53, 11 June 2009 (UTC)

There sure is. Just follow this link. TNXMan 18:55, 11 June 2009 (UTC)

Thanks a lot! But then, how to make it not truncate the list to just the 100 most recent ones, even with redirects excluded? Mikael Häggström (talk) 04:59, 12 June 2009 (UTC)

creating a page

I created a page, or so I thought, and now it isn't showing up anywhere...what did I do wrong? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.158.173.66 (talk) 19:06, 11 June 2009 (UTC)

If you created an article you must have a user account, so log into that account and the article should be listed in you user contributions, unless it has been speedily deleted. What was the name of the article? – ukexpat (talk) 19:10, 11 June 2009 (UTC)

Discussing further with user on talk page. – ukexpat (talk) 20:19, 11 June 2009 (UTC)

Why they doing git? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Tonyisajew (talk • contribs) 15:54, 13 June 2009 (UTC)

{{Cell wall disruptive antibiotics}}

Would a template expert please take a look at this one - there are # characters scattered around it and I can't figure out if they are supposed to be there or are editing errors. Thanks. – ukexpat (talk) 19:18, 11 June 2009 (UTC)

There is a legend at the bottom of the template that gives a meaning for the # character. Perhaps moving the legend line to the top of the template would make this confusion less likely. --Teratornis (talk) 19:37, 11 June 2009 (UTC)

I made a suggestion on the template talk page. ---— Gadget850 (Ed) ^talk 19:47, 11 June 2009 (UTC)

Ah, OK now it makes sense. There must be a better character to use than #, maybe an asterisk? Heading to talk page to suggest. – ukexpat (talk) 20:09, 11 June 2009 (UTC)

Bakugan Editing

Hello - I work for Spin Master the maker of Bakugan. We have being trying to edit the Bakugan Battle Brawler Wikipedia page and update it with the newest information but, for some reason it keeps getting taken down - it alerts me with "edit conflict". We are much reliable than who ever is doing this so if you could get back to me and let me know how to stop this that would be great.

Thanks so much,

Campbell Courteau Public Relations Assistant Spinmaster Ltd. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Spinningtoys (talk • contribs) 20:06, 11 June 2009 (UTC)

An edit conflict is when two people try to edit a page at the same time, the user you have had a conflict with did not do so on purpose, see Help:Edit conflict if you want to learn more. However, we generally strongly advise that you do not edit articles pertaining to a company that you work for or that you founded, please re-introduce the material after reading: WP:COI, WP:SPAM and WP:BFAQ, if you are still satisfied that your additions are unbiased and that they are fully referenced you may read them, thank you, all the best Spitfire^Tally-ho! 20:11, 11 June 2009 (UTC)

Please read WP:COI. The best thing to do is make suggestions for improvements on the article's talk page to gain consensus from other editors. – ukexpat (talk) 20:09, 11 June 2009 (UTC)

As ukexpat says, if you are unsure of the edits, you can suggest them on the articles talk page, Spitfire^Tally-ho! 20:13, 11 June 2009 (UTC)

It appears that you have a conflict of interest with the subject. Wikipedia is not about promoting a product or event. It looks to me like that is why your edits have been reverted by another editor. Edits must be verifiable, written from a neutral point of view, and reliably sourced. I hope this answers your question. Wperdue (talk) 20:14, 11 June 2009 (UTC)wperdue

PDF won't appear

I tried to get a PDF version of National Register of Historic Places listings in Champaign County, Ohio by clicking the "PDF version" in the toolbox of the page, but time and time again I get an error message:

POST request failed

From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia Jump to: navigation, search The POST request to http://pdf1.wikimedia.org:8080/mw-serve/ failed (Operation timed out after 3000 milliseconds with 0 bytes received).

Return to Main Page.

The first few words, "POST request failed", are a header, in the same spot and format as "Wikipedia:Help desk" is here. Any idea what I can do to make this work? I'm about to be out of town for a while without Internet access (thus was I trying to download the PDF), so if anyone has a reply, please leave it at my talk page. Nyttend (talk) 20:07, 11 June 2009 (UTC)

I should note that I've been having trouble with PDFs in general — every time I try to download a certain book, it won't work. See details at my unanswered VP/T request. Nyttend (talk) 20:09, 11 June 2009 (UTC)

Bug submitted as bug 19167http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19167. Glacier Wolf 00:23, 12 June 2009 (UTC)

June 12

Article renders incorrectly with Firefox

Hi, I made some changes to the references of Magdalena Neuner, including using the {{ref}} and {{note}} templates in the Notes section. The page seems to no longer render correctly for me, and I'm not sure what the problem might be. If I load the article with Firefox, the first time, the page is almost displayed correctly, except the last two references (77 & 78) are each spread over two columns. When I reload, the entire page is cut off after ref 76. Purging the cache does not help. The page loads correctly with IE. If I zoom in and out with Firefox, the page returns to normal. Also, the error only occurs at a resolution of 1680 x 1050, at 1280 Firefox displays the page correctly. I don't know if the problem is entirely on my end, maybe someone can take a look at it. EnemyOfTheState_|talk 02:08, 12 June 2009 (UTC)

I checked the page with Firefox, Chrome and IE at both 1680x1050 and 1280*768 and in every case the page renders correctly for me, including the last two references. Excirial ^{(Contact me,Contribs)} 04:52, 12 June 2009 (UTC)

Thanks. I guess the wikicode is correct and the problem is with my browser apparently. EnemyOfTheState_|talk 05:20, 12 June 2009 (UTC)

Table Problem

 Done I'm working on improving the Poker Hall of Fame article right now. I've added a table to the Membership section. If you click on the edit button there, you will see the syntax for membership. BUT the table does not appear until the end of the table. Any ideas on why this happens? I don't see anything wrong with the table syntax.---I'm Spartacus! ^{NO! I'm Spartacus!} 03:22, 12 June 2009 (UTC)

Solved it on my own.---I'm Spartacus! ^{NO! I'm Spartacus!} 03:27, 12 June 2009 (UTC)

Oh, you did it before me. Timmeh!_{(review me)} 03:30, 12 June 2009 (UTC)

It was driving me crazy and I couldn't see anything wrong... so I finally broke down to ask for help here... and immediately my question was answered... I saw the light... and voila... fixed it.---I'm Spartacus! ^{NO! I'm Spartacus!} 14:28, 12 June 2009 (UTC)

Image Permission

I was granted permission to use photographs by the owners. I added them to an article. Later, the owner asked me to remove the images. I asked the owners to do the deletion. Am I required to do the deletion personally? —Preceding unsigned comment added by LAlawMedMBA (talk • contribs) 05:40, 12 June 2009 (UTC)

What images, and what were the licenses? For example, Creative Commons licenses are not revocable. --Teratornis (talk) 07:04, 12 June 2009 (UTC)

The permission was granted rather informally via an email from the University of Washington's Assistant Director of Athletic Communication for the use of three photographs of Danielle Lawrie which appear in an article that I created at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Danielle_Lawrie . The images are named Image:Lawrie2.jpg, Image:Lawrie3.JPG, and Image:Danielle_Lawrie.jpg. After I added the images to the article, I asked the director to send a formal permission notice to Wikipedia Commons, using a standard form. In response to my possibly onerous request, the director emailed that "her boss" (the Athletic Director) told her it was against school policy to release images. I asked her to contact Wikipedia, or delete the images. She replied that I must personally delete the images post haste. Is that my obligation, and what will Wikipedia do if I take no action? I am an attorney, so I might take a more complicated view than a typical contributor.—Preceding unsigned comment added by LAlawMedMBA (talk • contribs) 13:31, 13 June 2009 (UTC)

If you are an attorney, that is actually great. Copyright law can get incredibly complicated as you know, and the vast majority of Wikipedia contributors are not well-versed in it. I am by no means professionally qualified but here are collections of internal documents which seem to be written by people who are, or fake it well enough to fool me:

• Commons:COM:EIC#Copyright
• WP:EIW#Copy
  • I don't know how much time you want to put into this particular problem, but Wikipedia needs more attorneys to read our documents about copyright law and how it affects Wikipedia - lots of people depend on these documents to be reliable so we keep our project out of trouble. So if you take a larger interest in this issue, you could help the project. It would be kind of silly to read 50 documents to resolve one question, but if you plan to stick around and continue contributing, the more of our documents you can read (and improve), the more productively you will contribute. And the better you will be at avoiding situations like the current one which can lead to aggravation.
• Also, you might try repeating your question on Wikipedia:Media copyright questions if you aren't confident in whatever interpretation you come up with by reading our friendly manuals.

As for my opinion, which you will take with caution (the documents are definitive; my opinion is not), it sounds as if you started off by following the procedure in Commons:COM:OTRS but you did not complete the final vital step, which is to have the e-mailed permission of the copyright holder duly filed in OTRS. From what I understand of the process (which isn't much, because I haven't actually slogged through it myself), failure to complete the final critical step throws the whole thing in doubt. On Wikipedia (and similarly, on Commons), we assume by default that everything is copyrighted and we do not have permission to redistribute it freely, unless proven otherwise. Thus the burden of proof is on the uploader to demonstrate that we have permission. It sounds to me as if the Athletic Director you mention is making that burden of proof very difficult to meet. Wikipedia has deleted a lot of images because of copyright questions like this.

As a general observation, which doesn't help with your current issue, I find it is easier on Wikipedia to take the path of least resistance. For example, on Flickr there are some two million (and growing) images available under free content licenses (CC-BY or CC-BY-SA) and we have several worked-out procedures for uploading them to Commons (see Commons:COM:EIC#Flickr). In general, it is easier to browse through collections of free images, and pick some to upload to Commons, than to start with an arbitrary article, and then search around for free photos to illustrate it. The latter approach is harder because the vast majority of images one might find on the Web are not free. In the time it may take to beg and plead to get permission for some initially non-free image, you could have uploaded dozens of already-free images about other topics. We can search for free images with {{Flickr free}}:

• Search Flickr for images with the keywords: Danielle Lawrie under these licenses: cc-by or cc-by-sa - admittedly this search is a longshot, and not surprisingly it finds nothing
• Search Flickr for images with the keywords: university softball under these licenses: cc-by or cc-by-sa - this considerably broader search finds many free photos in this general topic area

Even if you don't know what to do with a particular photo, it is still helpful to upload free photos to Commons and categorize them there, so other users may find them and use them to illustrate articles in the various language Wikipedias. --Teratornis (talk) 17:53, 13 June 2009 (UTC)

runtime error

I keep getting a sign "runtime error" and I lose whatever I am doing, because my computer closes down. I was told to go into run and type in msconfig, and shut down programs that are running. I dont know which ones I am suppose to shut down, because I dont know what they are. Can someone help me please —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.240.145.53 (talk) 06:15, 12 June 2009 (UTC)

This page is for questions about editing Wikipedia. Please consider asking this question at the Reference desk. They specialize in knowledge questions and will try to answer any question in the universe (except how to use Wikipedia, since that is what this Help Desk is for). Just follow the link, select the relevant section, and ask away. You could always try searching Wikipedia for an article related to the topic you want to know more about. I hope this helps.

And in specific: Wikipedia:Reference_desk/Computing. Excirial ^{(Contact me,Contribs)} 06:40, 12 June 2009 (UTC)

Hebat, and other unsourced speculative articles

Should I delete 99 percent of article, or propose it for deletion, or propose it for merging with Hurrian or what? I sense there is the nub of a good article here and wonder if the main author, possibly a guy named Christopher Siren, just needs a fire lit under him to get him to provide sources, and then Hebat could be a fine article.--But I also have been getting a horrible feeling that ancient mythology and ancient civilizations on wikipedia are getting screwed so badly we will soon be a worse laughingstock in libraries everywhere, with no credibility--I sense that a number of contributors with a knack for storytelling have been writing fairy tales in ancient Sumer, mythology, and no one is calling them on it. Well it's pretty late and im rambling but I hope someone will take my intuition seriously.Rich (talk) 08:27, 12 June 2009 (UTC)

I'd keep it, perhaps find a stub template to add to it so people know. --Kraftlos (Talk | Contrib) 08:46, 12 June 2009 (UTC)

Thanks, I'll try that.Rich (talk) 08:50, 12 June 2009 (UTC)

I found multiple mentions on non reliable sites, but i also got a hit in the Encyclopedia Brittanica , and in this document which is located on an .edu domain. At the very least i can conclude it is not a hoax article. Excirial ^{(Contact me,Contribs)} 08:52, 12 June 2009 (UTC)

Factual article always deleted, but others exist

I have tried on a few occasions to make an entry for a provider of ERP software and it is automatically deleted...even when only the facts of the company and its products are used...yet there are other such entries that are full of promotional material about their products within the same industry? How can I get this other company to be included in the same way. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Llandian (talk • contribs) 09:09, 12 June 2009 (UTC)

I assume this is due to the other entries having a seperate page establishing their Notability. The editor that removed your entry used the edit summary "rm redlink" which denoted that he or she removed it due to the lack of a wikipedia article to link to. Basing myself on the user page i noticed that Exel Computer Systems plc and Exel Computer Systems have been removed several times, most recently for failing to establish compliance to notability policies for businesses Excirial ^{(Contact me,Contribs)} 09:15, 12 June 2009 (UTC)

Also please note the process is not automatic, it is run by volunteers, Spitfire^Tally-ho! 09:27, 12 June 2009 (UTC)

Please see What about article x?. In short, you should give little weight to the sheer fact that something else exists, because the way Wikipedia is a constant work in progress, and the way articles are and article content is assessed and removed in a non-centralized fashion, there are always tons of examples of pages and content which do/does exist but should not. So there is no precedential value that should be assigned to the existence.--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 12:17, 12 June 2009 (UTC)

'Adult' picture on the Help Desk?

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When you go to WP:RFA, there's text at the top that says "WP:RFA" redirects here. You may be looking for requested articles, recently featured articles, requests for arbitration, or requests for assistance at Wikipedia:Help desk. If you have that article preview thing enabled (where you hover your mouse over a link and it previews the article) and you hover the cursor over Wikipedia:Help Desk, it shows this: File:Skintagonrightfemalebreastac.JPG picture. (Warning, not fit for work/school) Any idea why? Aditya ^α _ß 11:02, 12 June 2009 (UTC)

It's linked on this page (someone was trying to add it to a page, IIRC), so, lacking any other pictures, popups has associated it with this page and used it for the thumbnail. Nothing to worry about really. - Jarry1250 ^{(t, c)} 11:08, 12 June 2009 (UTC)

Oops, it was me who added the link (and yes, an editor was trying to add it to a page - she didn't link to it here, that was solely me. I believe the issue is now resolved, so I'll un-link the image here. Cheers, This flag once was red^propaganda_deeds 11:14, 12 June 2009 (UTC)(Image un-linked and striked-through. This flag once was red^propaganda_deeds 11:16, 12 June 2009 (UTC))

It's still coming in the preview. Even after clearing my browser's cache. Anyway, never mind now. It's not of much consequence. Aditya ^α _ß 11:38, 12 June 2009 (UTC)

Yeah, I'm still seeing it too - not sure why? It's possible that the Wikimedia software creates its own cache of the first image on the page, and we need to wait for that cache to clear. For what its worth, the lesson I've learnt from this is - be very careful before adding an image to the Help desk ;-) Cheers, This flag once was red^propaganda_deeds 11:47, 12 June 2009 (UTC)

I used the API to purge the helpdesk, and i believe the picture does not show anymore. Can anyone conform it actually worked? Excirial ^{(Contact me,Contribs)} 11:52, 12 June 2009 (UTC)

Nope. Still shows. This is weird. =/ Aditya ^α _ß 12:09, 12 June 2009 (UTC)

Popups apparently detects image "links" in nowiki tags. I added an earlier in [3] and that is now the displayed image. PrimeHunter (talk) 12:14, 12 June 2009 (UTC)

And it's gone! Woohoo! Aditya ^α _ß 12:25, 12 June 2009 (UTC)

Aha! Another lesson learned: don't just <nowiki /> an image, remove it altogether, or add another image before it. Thanks, PrimeHunter! Cheers, This flag once was red^propaganda_deeds 14:32, 12 June 2009 (UTC)

link directly to a person rather than to the disambiguation page

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Hello,

I would like to create a link to "Tom Adams (musician)" within a Wikipedia article, rather than have the code Tom Adams take the user to the default page for Tom Adams. How do I create such a direct link? Thanks very much.E19S24cr (talk) 14:07, 12 June 2009 (UTC)

Like this [[Tom Adams (musician)|Tom Adams]] which produces Tom Adams. That's a vertical bar in the middle (or "pipe") which is, for me at least, reachable via Shift + Backslash. Hope that helps, - Jarry1250 ^{(t, c)} 14:09, 12 June 2009 (UTC)

Jarry1250 is right on spot here. To Broaden his answer: This form of linking works for more then just disambiguation pages. While linking in this manner anything left of the pipe is seen as the article to link to, while everything on the right is displayed as text. [[WP:HD|Tom Adams]] for example shows as Tom Adams, while actually linking to the help desk. Excirial ^{(Contact me,Contribs)} 14:14, 12 June 2009 (UTC)

(edit conflict) For more information, see WP:PIPE. - Jarry1250 ^{(t, c)} 14:18, 12 June 2009 (UTC)

Thanks very much for your help. E19S24cr (talk) 14:24, 12 June 2009 (UTC)

See also Help:Pipe trick for a faster way. If you type [[Tom Adams (musician)|]] and save then it's saved as [[Tom Adams (musician)|Tom Adams]] which produces Tom Adams. PrimeHunter (talk) 14:37, 12 June 2009 (UTC)

How to Edit Series Box

Hello. I would like to edit the Seriesbox Aircraft Categories. (There are mistakes in how some entries are categorized.) Could you please tell me how I can fix this? Thank you.74.74.169.198 (talk) 15:50, 12 June 2009 (UTC)

It's at Template:Seriesbox Aircraft Categories but can be complicated to edit. What do you think is wrong? PrimeHunter (talk) 16:34, 12 June 2009 (UTC)

Thanks. The item "ornithopter" is not categorized correctly, because it derives lift by the same mechanism as airplanes (forward motion through the air). Only the propulsion is different. But more broadly, I think the way this has been organized is not very logical. For example, a hang glider is functionally the same as a more rigid-winged glider -- the flexible wing is a minor distinction but is given too much importance in this scheme of categorization. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.74.169.198 (talk) 18:52, 12 June 2009 (UTC)

You can suggest changes on Template talk:Seriesbox Aircraft Categories and Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Aviation. See Help:Talk page and Wikipedia:Talk page guidelines. You should read the other aviation articles on Wikipedia to learn where Wikipedia came up with its classification scheme. We might have articles, categories, etc., which follow a consistent scheme, so a change to one part would require consensus and corresponding changes to other parts. If you want to learn to edit templates, see Help:Template and WP:EIW#Template. Editing templates can be very difficult, and "breaking" a template will "break" many articles that transclude it. Therefore we have various methods to test templates in what we call "sandboxes". This is too complicated to explain on the Help desk. Some Wikipedia editors specialize in editing templates; see Wikipedia:WikiProject Templates. --Teratornis (talk) 20:21, 12 June 2009 (UTC)

New Page

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 – at least for now, User:CenterFest blocked as a WP:SPAMNAME. – ukexpat (talk) 16:12, 12 June 2009 (UTC)

I created a new article and it gave me a copyright error and directed me to the other page. If I am the author of both articles, am I still unable to post on this site? —Preceding unsigned comment added by CenterFest (talk • contribs) 15:52, 12 June 2009 (UTC)

Read the section of the copyright warning notice headed 'Or, if you hold the copyright to this text…'. Algebraist 15:57, 12 June 2009 (UTC)

moving a page

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 – User has now successfully moved a page.  Chzz  ►  19:56, 12 June 2009 (UTC)

I've had my account for the required four days, and I've successfully completed the ten edits. I want to rename a page I created, but the "move" button is not to the right of the "edit this page" button, like the moving a page article states.

Why can't I see the "move" button? —Preceding unsigned comment added by NWCPAO (talk • contribs) 16:21, 12 June 2009 (UTC)

Technically this question was the 10th edit you made. Do you register as an "Autoconfirmed User" under "My preferences"? And since this is the 10th edit, perhaps it works now? Excirial ^{(Contact me,Contribs)} 16:24, 12 June 2009 (UTC)

Original research

I requested and received by email a photograph of an old newspaper page (year 1905) from a public library in the U.S. I don't believe the image is online anywhere, including that library's website. Would it be permissable or Original Research if I upload the image to Wikipedia and use it in an article? DonFB 19:31, 12 June 2009 (UTC)—Preceding unsigned comment added by DonFB (talk • contribs)

I would reference the original newspaper article itself. There is not, nor has there ever been, a requirement that a citation must be checkable online. --Orange Mike | Talk 19:35, 12 June 2009 (UTC)

Yeah, but I've had information removed from multiple articles due to citing a newspaper that was not verifiable online. hmwithτ 18:18, 13 June 2009 (UTC)

If I use the information, I'd like to actually show the image of the newspaper page with the headline, for historical interest. So I'm still interesting in uploading the image and using it. (p.s.-- I'm typing four tildes, but my user name is not being wikified). DonFB 19:43, 12 June 2009 (UTC)

Nothing wrong with using the image of the clip for local color, since it's public domain, if it's sufficiently relevant tot the article (I'm a bit of a skeptic). But the actual citation itself should still reference the newspaper, not a picture of the newspaper. --Orange Mike | Talk 19:49, 12 June 2009 (UTC)

Regarding the PS, see Wikipedia:How to fix your signature  Chzz  ►  19:46, 12 June 2009 (UTC)

The WP:NOR policy does not apply here. Origional research mainly covers research that is either not mainline science yet, or based of unverifiable claims. For example if i started a page about greenhouse gas reduction trough eating strawberries we can be pretty sure it is origional research (If not pure nonsense). I see no objection to actually using the image as long as it does not violate Copyright requirements. Excirial ^{(Contact me,Contribs)} 19:50, 12 June 2009 (UTC)

DonFB, try unclicking the "Raw signature" box in your preferences (in the "User profile" section). hmwithτ 18:20, 13 June 2009 (UTC)

You have actually raised about four different points with your perfectly reasonable "simple" question, which explains why you have received several apparently different answers. Please permit me to clarify.

• Your research is not "original research" within the meaning of WP:OR. You have simply asked for and received a copy of a reliable secondary source (WP:RS,) and we thank you for taking the effort to do so. This is not different than if you had travelled to the library and read the page yourself.
• You are free to re-publish this work (the image) because it is in the public domain, being a work published in the US prior to 1923. By convention, we generally accept images as being reliable, but I think you should carefully document exactly how you acquired the image and state that you have not modified it. This is overkill, but it permits anyone to reproduce your effort if there is ever a doubt.
• You should cite the original newspaper article. Your copy on the web is a "courtesy copy" and you should link to it, but we consider the reference to remain valid even if the web copy disappears. This would be true even if you chose to place the web copy somewhere other than on a Wikimedia site.
• You may choose to put a copy on Wikisource.
• Apparently, the image itself is a worthwhile addition to the article. Good. Treat this aspect of its usage as we would treat any other image.
• Finally, thanks for your effort. -Arch dude (talk) 21:23, 12 June 2009 (UTC)

Something tells me...

...we may get many questions about DTV later today. Perhaps 1) protect the DTV articles? And maybe a template like:
User:ESanchez013/dtvanswer
to supplement? —Mr. E. Sánchez (that's me!)^{What I Do} / _{What I Say} 19:47, 12 June 2009 (UTC)

Article's are not pre-emptively protected. To protect an article it must have received vandalism or must be subject of an edit conflict. Protection is also a bit of a last resort as it is going straith against the "Encyclopedia everyone can edit" idea. As for the template, we actually have one already! Personally i use {{HD/rd}} for questions that should be at the reference desk. And if you won't mind me asking: what DTV? And why would it receive sudden attention? I cannot remember seeing any news article that could be related. Excirial ^{(Contact me,Contribs)} 19:54, 12 June 2009 (UTC)

Cutting in: Well, when the 2-million-odd people still not ready get blank screens, I just thought... Never mind. —Mr. E. Sánchez (that's me!)^{What I Do} / _{What I Say} 21:17, 12 June 2009 (UTC)

Well, if it proves to be an issue we can always protect it then. If we suddenly have even 1 procent of those 2 million people editing the DTV article i am pretty sure it will be speedy protected within a matter of minutes :) Excirial ^{(Contact me,Contribs)} 21:21, 12 June 2009 (UTC)

Digital television, I think. The BBC were reporting that the US is switching off analogue broadcasting today. Cheers, This flag once was red^propaganda_deeds 19:58, 12 June 2009 (UTC)

You would think that CNN would put it somewhere near the important stories, and not around the bottom of their website in a small font. Thanks! Excirial ^{(Contact me,Contribs)} 20:14, 12 June 2009 (UTC)

It's been in the news for at least a year, not to mention all over the broadcast television channels in the U.S. It would be odd for a television viewer in the U.S. to need a trumpeting headline on switchover day. Maybe if someone here had just come out of a coma. Of course it's no surprise that this would be the day for millions of people to test out their converter boxes for the first time. --Teratornis (talk) 20:30, 12 June 2009 (UTC)

Don't forget editors come from everywhere in the world! As a non US resident there has been little to no coverage in the news over here. Also since it would not directly affect anyone here i doubt i would even remember the exact date if i had actually seen the article some time ago :) Excirial ^{(Contact me,Contribs)} 20:37, 12 June 2009 (UTC)

I did not forget. I'm just pointing out why U.S. media which target U.S. readers aren't necessarily calling more attention to the switch now than they have been for the past two years. Also, the original poster was talking about putting up a message for the two million people who are now looking at white noise on their television sets; presumably most of those people will be residents of the U.S. or close enough to the border to receive U.S. television broadcasts. If they have questions about why their reception stopped, that can only mean they ignored the U.S. media coverage of the switch during the two-year run-up. --Teratornis (talk) 17:13, 13 June 2009 (UTC)

Unclear on photo usage for reprinting- Please tell me if I can do the following with the photos

Good afternoon,

I have read your policies but I am still not 100% certain on the photo useage or whether a particular photo is copyrighted or not.

There is a photo that introduces the past presidents of their main page: Bill Clintion http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bill_Clinton) Ronald Reagan (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ronald_Reagan) Dick Cheney: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dick_Cheney Mitch Daniels: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mitch_Daniels there are several others for: Both Bushes, Obama, and Biden.

My question: I want to reprint these to place on a cookie for display. I do not plan to reprint the photos for resale, as I do want to reprint it to put on a cake and photograph it for my cake portfolio. Again, unless I am able to, I do not plan to reprint for resale. So, my question- May I use these photos for that purpose?

I am double checking because your guidelines for useage are confusing and I am unable to determine what is and isn't copyrighted.

PLease let me know if I may use these photos in this way. Thank you —Preceding unsigned comment added by Mouse41 (talk • contribs) 19:57, 12 June 2009 (UTC)

The images in question seem to be liscenced as Public Domain. This means that the images are public property and may therefor be altered, reprinted, sold and displayed for any reason. Public Domain can effectively be translated to "Nobody Own the image" which means man can utilize them for whatever purpose. Excirial ^{(Contact me,Contribs)} 20:03, 12 June 2009 (UTC)

All four of the photographs that you mentioned are in the public domain - so you are free to use them for anything - including commercial use.

If you click on the photographs, you will see a 'permissions' section which details the copyright status. In this way, you can check any further images that you wish to use.  Chzz  ►  20:07, 12 June 2009 (UTC)

How do I PUBLISH a page?

I've got a page saved but it's not yet published. I don't see an icon that says PUBLISH! Rchaudh (talk) 20:20, 12 June 2009 (UTC)

You would need to move the page to the mainspace. However, please do not do this yet. The article appears to be very promotional, which is something we try to avoid. Please read our info on writing neutrally and supporting your material with reliable sources. Otherwise, your article may be deleted. TNXMan 20:31, 12 June 2009 (UTC)

The page is User:Rchaudh/The South Asian Monologues, for the record if others wish to input. - Jarry1250 ^{(t, c)} 20:33, 12 June 2009 (UTC)

In order to move a page you need to be WP:autoconfirmed, for which your account must be four days old. —teb728 t c 20:35, 12 June 2009 (UTC)

It may not be appropriate to have an article on Wikipedia about "The South Asian Monologues", because it seems to fail the notability guidelines - I am unable to find "significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject" - which is the general notability guideline.

If there were sufficient sources, then the article would need to be improved; instead of having external links within the body of the article, it should have inline references. See user:chzz/help/ref for my own guide to this.  Chzz  ►  21:07, 12 June 2009 (UTC)

I will take a look at it a little later when I get home. – ukexpat (talk) 21:36, 12 June 2009 (UTC)

My User Box

This is my first Userbox and I need to know what section to put it under. (Religion Maybe?) Programmer13^Talk_{What I do} 21:32, 12 June 2009 (UTC)

This user believes that 42 is the meaning of life

I would probably opt for Wikipedia:Userboxes/Science Fiction. I'd think the religion area would be more for those boxes which support a particular religious belief such as Christianity, Jewish, or even Atheists views; but that's just my own personal preference. — Ched :  ?  22:35, 12 June 2009 (UTC)

very nice by the way. ;) — Ched :  ?  22:39, 12 June 2009 (UTC)

You will get a different answer if you ask Jimbo. --Teratornis (talk) 17:05, 13 June 2009 (UTC)

What is the different between WP:HELPDESK and WP:NCHP?

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I have been pondering a while now about the difference between the help desk and the new contributers help page. I find that the question asked at NCPH are faitly identical to the questions asked and answered at the HelpDesk. In fact, i am truely wondering why there are two different pages for almost the same purpose. Is there any reason for this division? My idea is that they could just as well be merged. Excirial ^{(Contact me,Contribs)} 21:35, 12 June 2009 (UTC)

In theory NCHP is for more basic questions from new users, and I think in practice that's mainly true. I think there has been prior discussion about merging them but I cannot find the link at the moment. – ukexpat (talk) 21:39, 12 June 2009 (UTC)

There is a vast difference in the psychological effect between the two pages. A new user may be embarrassed or intimidated to ask a very basic question here—especially after reading some of the arcane questions we get, full of linked shortcuts and obvious inner working knowledge displayed by the questioners. When that person see a dedicated forum for new users, evident from the title, such concerns aren't raised.--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 22:51, 12 June 2009 (UTC)

Do people actually read the Help desk before posting questions here? Such as "How do I create a new entry?" or "How do I publish my article?" --Teratornis (talk) 17:04, 13 June 2009 (UTC)

Oki, thanks for the answer you two. No need to merge then. Excirial ^{(Contact me,Contribs)} 23:24, 12 June 2009 (UTC)

Old discussion at Wikipedia talk:Help desk/Archive 4#Merge new Contributor's Help Page? PrimeHunter (talk) 01:04, 13 June 2009 (UTC)

Dangit PrimeHunter, you're good... – ukexpat (talk) 03:55, 13 June 2009 (UTC)

The Canyons' Info Box

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 – —C45207: Talk 22:13, 12 June 2009 (UTC)

Something is up with The Canyons' info box. I don't know enough to figure out what the issue is. Are there troubleshooting techniques somewhere?—C45207 | Talk 21:50, 12 June 2009 (UTC)

The issue seems to be related to the GEO template information you filled in. Filling in the |lat_seconds and |long_seconds solves the issue. Any chance you have these numbers as well? You could find them with this tool Excirial ^{(Contact me,Contribs)} 21:56, 12 June 2009 (UTC)

I didn't make the original location changes, I just noticed the odd error message at the top. I've added seconds, and all appears well. Thanks.—C45207: Talk 22:13, 12 June 2009 (UTC)

June 13

Apparent vandalism of article redirect

The merge box at the top of this article (Talk:Stephen_Colbert_(character)) contains a link to Stelephant Colbert which appears to be an invalid redirect. I am sure this is wrong and I don't know how to fix it. Didn't someone take a vote that decided that Stephen Colbert is no longer allowed to edit here?Jarhed (talk) 01:44, 13 June 2009 (UTC)

The result of this deletion debate was to merge the material seen in this old revision into Stephen Colbert (character), as a brief mention.

It would appear that "Stelephant Colbert" then got redirected to Tagging of Pacific Predators, and then the merge tag that you saw got messed up. I think I've fixed everything up; a brief mention of the Stelephant needs adding to the character article - I'll try to do that ASAP. Thanks for pointing out the problem.  Chzz  ►  02:16, 13 June 2009 (UTC)

Random Question About Page Moves

I'm curious: What would happen if someone tried to move a page to "#"? (Not that I'm planning on doing it, of course.) --Intelligentsium 02:36, 13 June 2009 (UTC)

They would receive the message MediaWiki:Articleexists in large red type. Algebraist 02:43, 13 June 2009 (UTC)

"#" is not a valid character for page titles so it would try to move the page to a blank title, which cannot be done. Icewedge (talk) 07:38, 13 June 2009 (UTC)

How does category page know under which letter to list an article?

E.g. consider the http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Vietnamese_diaspora category page. Over there article Vietnamese people in Japan is listed under the letter J whereas article Vietnamese Student Association is listed under letter V. How does the wiki engine decide which letter to list it under? 76.24.104.52 (talk) 03:21, 13 June 2009 (UTC)

Help:Category explains this but basically some appended sort keys to the categories. So in Vietnamese people in Japan the sort is as Category:Vietnamese diaspora|Japan, Vietnamese people in. In Vietnamese Student Association, no such sort is applied Category:Vietnamese diaspora. -Optigan13 (talk) 03:36, 13 June 2009 (UTC)

What justifies links per words in an article

This question has been floating around my head for some time. Most, if not all artilces on wiki have links to other articles within sentences. What justifies a link to an article? Some words have an article associated with definition/information but are not linked and others are. I see that you only link a word once, if it is repeated the link is not repeated. What stops linking every word in every article with the wiki mark up if there is a page associated with it? Is there a rule to follow that I cannot find?

Thanks

Ivtv (talk) 04:31, 13 June 2009 (UTC)

See the discussion at Wikipedia:Linking#Internal links: overlinking and underlinking. —teb728 t c 05:37, 13 June 2009 (UTC)

Thank you very much. I figured there was an article I missed.

Ivtv (talk) 01:43, 14 June 2009 (UTC)

change the text size

how od i change the text size, the writing is all small —Preceding unsigned comment added by 12.155.51.150 (talk) 05:42, 13 June 2009 (UTC)

You change the text size setting on your web browser. It is probably different on different browsers. On my browser I can change the text size either by rolling the scroll wheel while pressing the Ctrl key or by selecting View > Text Size. If that doesn't work for you, ask at Wikipedia:Reference desk/Computing. —teb728 t c 05:57, 13 June 2009 (UTC)

Image Renaming

At my editor review it was suggested I worked in renaming images with better names. However there has been confusion on IRC if what user rights I require etc. Can someone please set me in the right direction? Thanks -- Sk8er5000 (talk) 08:28, 13 June 2009 (UTC)

You don't need any special user rights for this (you do need to be autoconfirmed, but you already are). You just have to upload the image under the new name. I think they tested admins moving files just like articles, but that apparently didn't work and it's not available now. Chamal ^talk 08:41, 13 June 2009 (UTC)

Sorry, that was just for renaming images. For working in the given area (Category:Media renaming requests) you just have to place a template on it so that a bot can handle the job. But as you said, it's not clear what is meant by 'trusted user'. I'll see if I can find something. Chamal ^talk 08:51, 13 June 2009 (UTC)

Difference between the templates

What's the Difference between these two templates:

1. Template:Pp-template 2. Template:Permprot

I suppose that one is for the template page and the other for the talk page? Should every permanently protected template have both of this? --Siddhant (talk) 09:41, 13 June 2009 (UTC)

Yes, I believe that all permanently protected templates need both, because the first template is usually used in "small mode" (lock icon only) and might not be noticed. Xenon54 (talk) 11:31, 13 June 2009 (UTC)

Why do my edits keep disappearing?

I've made a few edits and added genuine sources for reference and have saved fine. When I check back a while later, they've completely disappeared.

What am I doing wrong? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Tiger greeneyes (talk • contribs) 14:12, 13 June 2009 (UTC)

Well, your first edit was reverted because we cannot accept external links to imageshack. There have been too many problems in the past and such additions are reverted by a bot. Your other edit didn't seem to be very encyclopedic, however, you may be better served by discussing the issue on the article's talk page and seeing what other editors think of it. TNXMan 14:30, 13 June 2009 (UTC)

rules / guidelines for editing an existing article

I am new to editing on Wiki. I found an article that I felt was not well written, confusing and somewhat biased. It was speaking about a specific religious artifact, and included much circular logic, like: "the object disappeared in the 13th century and hasn't been seen since, but because it wasn't reported destroyed, its likely it still exists," Much of the article is like this, without reliable sources quoted.

I researched the subject and then edited the article, hoping to provide some clarity and other perspectives, including quoting and referencing from experts in this field of study (religion and religious art). However, the original writer of the article keeps removing my edits, as if he doesn't want clarity or truth to be presented.

How should I best deal with this, so my changes can be accepted?

Regards, David —Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.228.221.127 (talk) 14:51, 13 June 2009 (UTC)

You are editing from a different IP address than the one you edited the article with. Since we are unfortunately not mind readers, could you tell us which article you are referring to? Xenon54 (talk) 15:04, 13 June 2009 (UTC)

Sorry. Its [[4]] about the veil of veronica. Best, David

I looked at the page history [5] but it only has one edit in the last three weeks and I have not found the edits you refer to. Are you sure that is the page you were editing? Are you sure your edits were saved? PrimeHunter (talk) 22:49, 14 June 2009 (UTC)

Template find

I understand WP:OWN, but I once saw a template that, in effect, says that a certain editor has volunteered as a focal point for supporting the article; something like, "EditorX is a major contributor to this article...". Can anyone find the template I'm talking about? It is used on article talk pages. --76.4.35.246 (talk) 15:32, 13 June 2009 (UTC)

The one you're looking for is {{maintained}}. haz (talk) 15:36, 13 June 2009 (UTC)

Awesome...thanks! --76.4.35.246 (talk) 15:43, 13 June 2009 (UTC)

Special:New pages

I have looked at my own new pages at Special:New Pages and see that two articles and a disambiguation page have been patrolled, and two have not. I went on to look at Philadelphia Inquirer Open near the end of the list, and added two templates (Golf and no footnotes) to that article.

When and how do articles switch from yellow highlighting (not patrolled) to white? For example, when would the Philadelphia Inquirer Open article by User:Hokeman be switched to patrolled? Or maybe what I did does not count as being patrolled? I am still learning the details of Wikipedia, so explain the new articles process for me. --DThomsen8 (talk) 17:14, 13 June 2009 (UTC)

You can read all about it at WP:New pages patrol/patrolled pages. Also, see Help:Patrolled edit. hmwithτ 18:04, 13 June 2009 (UTC)

That page was very helpful. I marked Philadelphia Inquirer Open by User:Hokeman with the No footnotes template. Should I add the template that this article has been patrolled? --DThomsen8 (talk) 18:48, 13 June 2009 (UTC)

No such template exists. You patrol pages by going to them from Special:NewPages and clicking 'Mark this page as patrolled'. I have done so in this case. Algebraist 18:53, 13 June 2009 (UTC)

about Vieta : important question (for me)

hello, i have finished my page about Vieta... here [[6]] Is there somebody kind enough to read it, correct it if necessary, directly or in the page 'discussion' ? Two probems : my english looks like "pidgin" (i think so) and Vieta is a difficult suject. This is quite a translationof the new page from WP france. Are you agree for the changes ? What can i do to make it better ? Thanks for answer and help. Jean de Parthenay (talk) 17:57, 13 June 2009 (UTC)

I'll check it out, make some changes if they're needed, and discuss it on the talk page. hmwithτ 18:29, 13 June 2009 (UTC)

(edit conflict) I've moved the page to your userspace, rather than the space of a non-registered account (you omitted the 'h'). I'll also give it a copy-edit (i.e. tidy up the English a bit). Fairly good if rough round the edges, from a quick look. - Jarry1250 ^{(t, c)} 18:33, 13 June 2009 (UTC)

(edit conflict) Wait, we already have a François Viète article, which appears to be the same person that you wrote about (Viète François). hmwithτ 18:35, 13 June 2009 (UTC)

(edit conflict) Assuming you didn't know, there is one large problem. A page on him already exists: François Viète. If you wish to make additions to it, do so, but it will always be the main page on him. Editing your page now is unnecessary, as the current page is superior, particularly in prose and presentation. If there is still information to add, be bold. - Jarry1250 ^{(t, c)} 18:37, 13 June 2009 (UTC)

fix urls

As i noted, some of the urls linking to Wikipedia on the section above the "discussion button" does not use relativ linking, so people using Wikipedia over https can not correctly use the https-version --213.168.120.68 (talk) 18:50, 13 June 2009 (UTC)

Does "discussion button" mean the tab called "discussion" at the top of pages? There is only one line above that, and when I checked all links were to https except in "Help us provide free content to the world by donating today!" which only occurred when I was logged out and had "donating today" as a link to http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Donate/Now/en?utm_source=enwiki_05&utm_medium=anon_donation_banner&utm_campaign=spontaneous_donation. Is that what you refer to? PrimeHunter (talk) 23:11, 13 June 2009 (UTC)

Yes, that "tab" i mean. --213.168.120.68 (talk) 03:54, 14 June 2009 (UTC)

Which urls do you see not at https, and are you logged in at the time? I only saw the url mentioned above and it doesn't link to Wikipedia but to the Wikimedia Foundation. PrimeHunter (talk) 12:41, 14 June 2009 (UTC)

Review Sites as References

Can review sites be used as references?

I want to use this site: http://animeworld.com/reviews/ghostintheshell.html

To support this statement: "For the Ghost in the Shell movie, Oshii elected to leave out most of the humor and character banter of Masamune Shirow's manga." From the Mamoru Oshii article.--Stepusual (talk) 18:59, 13 June 2009 (UTC)

You can say "According to (source), (insert claim here)". If other editors don't like what you add, they'll remove it. A claim about what someone said is verifiable, whereas the truth of what they said may be harder to verify. --Teratornis (talk) 19:10, 13 June 2009 (UTC)

What kind of source is needed where I won't have to use "According to (source), (insert claim here)"? --Stepusual (talk) 19:30, 13 June 2009 (UTC)

In practice, that depends on whether the other editors are likely to challenge a claim. If nobody challenges, then maybe nobody will look too hard at the source. In the statement you give above, is anyone likely to disagree with the claim that "Oshii elected to leave out (something)"? There are two separate claims in your statement:

• Oshii did something (left out the humor etc.). Perhaps this would be self-evident in the work, and not too controversial.
• Oshii elected to do that. I.e., he purposely left out the humor etc. This is a claim about the intent of the author, and might not be self-evident in the work. Thus if you want to claim something about Oshii's intent which is not self-evident to the reader, someone may challenge that claim and demand a reliable source.

WP:RS says:

• "Sources should directly support the information as it is presented in an article and should be appropriate to the claims made; if an article topic has no reliable sources, Wikipedia should not have an article on it."

A strict interpretation would be to avoid writing anything that we cannot reliably source. In practice, few articles provide footnote citations for every single claim they make, but anyone is free to remove any unsourced claim they disagree with. Since you cannot always predict in advance who is going to challenge what claim, you can take two approaches:

• Just write whatever you want, and see what gets challenged. This risks having your work removed if you cannot provide reliable sources when someone challenges it. On the other hand, if only a low percentage of your edits get reverted, maybe that is a more efficient use of time.
• Edit "defensively" by providing reliable sources for everything when you add it.

It is often easier to start with reliable sources, and look for places on Wikipedia to plug them in, than to start with an arbitrary topic or truth claim and then try to find reliable sources for it. The path of least resistance on Wikipedia is to start with sources we know to be reliable, and compare what they say to what Wikipedia currently says. If you start with some random claim such as the intent of Oshii at a certain time, you may or may not find a reliable source for it which will satisfy all other Wikipedia editors. As to what constitutes a reliable source, see the links under WP:EIW#Source (specifically the subheading "what can be properly be used as a source"). An online review site is probably a reliable source for the opinions of its contributors - that is, it would properly support claims that a certain reviewer thinks a certain way about something. It might not properly support the truth of what the reviewers are claiming. This might sound circuitous but that's how Wikipedia works; we generally pass the buck on declaring what is "truth". Instead, we merely declare what various people have claimed in writing that they think is true. Also note that the standards become higher when an article is a featured article candidate. Before an article becomes a featured article, it must have comprehensive sourcing and the sources must meet a high standard for reliability. --Teratornis (talk) 22:14, 13 June 2009 (UTC)

Thanks for the thorough response.--Stepusual (talk) 22:52, 13 June 2009 (UTC)

Sherwood Valley Rancheria of Pomo Indians of California

hi, just a quick note...i work for sherwood valley tribe, and i was trying to put together a short (BRIEF) history of the tribe to edit the intro to our personnel policies. thought i'd check out what you had in here. PLEASE change the county cited. Sherwood Valley IS and always has been in Mendocino County, NOT Sonoma County

thank you

judy fisch willits, ca —Preceding unsigned comment added by Kawliga55 (talk • contribs) 20:54, 13 June 2009 (UTC)

Hi - thanks for the information. That article link seems a bit weird; it links to the article on Mendocino county, but the text says Sonoma. I'm not an expert on the subject, but I have found several mentions that indicate the county as Mendocino. I'm going to drop a question to the person that wrote the article asking if there is a (historical?) reason for this. If you see anything in an article that needs changed, you can always edit the article yourself, or suggest changes on any article's talk page. --Kateshortforbob 21:58, 13 June 2009 (UTC)

Merging

I am unsure of merging procedure re-GFDL etc. and was wondering a) if someone could confirm that something about Republic of South Carolina and South Carolina in the American Civil War needs to be changed and b) advise me how to, or just, do it. The latter was essentially copied from the former, but it's far more in line with others. Either one could/should be a redirect, but there's just a little separate content in the lead. Thanks, - Jarry1250 ^{(t, c)} 21:30, 13 June 2009 (UTC)

Help:Merging should give you the necessary details about Merging. Please ask again here if you need more help on this. Cheers. Chamal ^talk 02:32, 14 June 2009 (UTC)

Can this go through quickly, given the pages in question, what discussion period do you suggest? - Jarry1250 ^{(t, c)} 09:24, 14 June 2009 (UTC)

Actually, I think both pages should exist. Can duplicate content just be deleted, presumably with an edit summary mentioning the page it's a duplicate of? - Jarry1250 ^{(t, c)} 09:29, 14 June 2009 (UTC)

template to hat a non-improvemnt talk page topic

Figured out the answer to my own question
The following discussion has been closed. Please do not modify it.
What is the template that is used to collapse an off topic talk page section not related to article improvement? --PigFlu Oink (talk) 21:41, 13 June 2009 (UTC) -NM got it --PigFlu Oink (talk) 21:46, 13 June 2009 (UTC)

File CSD Criteria

Hello, I have a question on WP:CSD#F3 and WP:CSD#F9. I believe I may be confusing myself but, the way I understand it, CSD#F3 can only be applied when a free license (i.e. {{GFDL}}) is applied to an image which is obviously not any sort of free image (e.g. a book cover, movie screenshot). CSD#F9, on the other hand, is applied only when there is obvious copyright infringement on images which do not have a Wikipedia compatible license (e.g. Getty Images photos) but are claimed to have been released under free licenses (i.e. {{PD-self}}, {{cc-by-sa-3.0}}). Could someone please help clarify these for me? Much Appreciated - Thanks, FASTILY ^(TALK) 21:44, 13 June 2009 (UTC)

I would apply F3 if the uploader says "The copyright owner gives permission for use only on Wikipedia" or if the file is licensed for only non-commercial use (but not if fair use is claimed). I would apply F9 to any of the cases you cite. —teb728 t c 21:58, 13 June 2009 (UTC)

In other words use F3 if there is permission but it is too restricted (i.e. it doesn’t allow reuse by anyone for anything, including commercial use and derivatives). And use F9 if the claim of a free license is false. —teb728 t c 01:31, 14 June 2009 (UTC)

You might be able to search for prior usages of the two criteria by other editors, and see if a precedent exists. --Teratornis (talk) 22:18, 13 June 2009 (UTC)

Thanks for the help - It's appreciated! -FASTILY ^(TALK) 02:22, 14 June 2009 (UTC)

Infobox Confusion

What should the Infobox be for a person who is both a Comics creator and Film director?

EDIT: I'm also wondering why the color of the Comics Creator Infoxbox changes. In some articles its color is a light purple (Hiroaki Samura), while in others it's a dark blue (Jack Kirby)--Stepusual (talk) 22:54, 13 June 2009 (UTC)

I would pick the infobox I thought could best describe the most significant aspects of the person. The paramater manga = y in Hiroaki Samura changes the color style. PrimeHunter (talk) 23:20, 13 June 2009 (UTC)

ArchiverWhy is my avrcive bot not working?

Resolved

I want to archive Now.. or to set the bot to one hour to clean my talk page and it is not working, please have a look (Off2riorob (talk) 23:31, 13 June 2009 (UTC))

I don't think the bot checks your talk page that often but the documentation at User:ClueBot III doesn't appear to give that information. For another bot, User:MiszaBot/Archive HowTo#After you have set up archiving says "The bot runs once a day at a preset hour". PrimeHunter (talk) 00:36, 14 June 2009 (UTC)

Thanks for that. (Off2riorob (talk) 10:53, 14 June 2009 (UTC))

June 14

Messed up talk page template

The Talk:Wi-Fi template is messed up, but I don't know what is wrong with the syntax. I am sure someone else knows how to deal with this problem. --DThomsen8 (talk) 00:25, 14 June 2009 (UTC)

I just reverted the latest edit which was by an IP. PrimeHunter (talk) 00:38, 14 June 2009 (UTC)

FAQ template

{{FAQ page}} just appeared on an FAQ page I monitor, but after looking at the template I am unsure if its supposed to be in the FAQ space or on the FAQ talk page. Can someone shed some light on the mystery for me? Is there an instruction page for its use or something of that nature, or is the template to new for that? TomStar81 (Talk) 03:46, 14 June 2009 (UTC)

See Special:WhatLinksHere/Template:FAQ page. As you can see all pages that transclude the template are subpages of the article talk pages the use the FAQ. Is that what you wanted? —teb728 t c 04:58, 14 June 2009 (UTC)

No. What I was looking for was a page similar to this one, with guidelines on how the template should be used. I am of the opinion that for the article I have the template is misleading because it falsely claims that the FAQs points were addressed in talk page archives when about half of the material I have in the FAQ comes from policy and guideline pages. Additionally, the template makes no mention of where questions on the FAQ can be asked. I almost reverted its addition to the FAQ pages I watch but elected instead to see if there was some sort guideline page or something for the template - previous creation discussions, an arbcom ruling, something of that nature- that would explain why we are now using this template and why it does not appear on the talk pages of FAQ pages like template's wording seems to suggest it should. TomStar81 (Talk) 07:14, 14 June 2009 (UTC)

Oh, I understand. I see the template is something that was created just in the past day; so it wouldn’t have an instruction page. Apparently it is the work of one editor, who thinks it is an improvement. You might try discussing your concerns with him—or boldly adapting the template yourself. (BTW, where should questions on the FAQ be asked? If the FAQs weren’t already in talk space, I suppose the answer would be on the related talk page.) —teb728 t c 08:04, 14 June 2009 (UTC)

I suggested asking in one of three places: on the talk pages of the articles since I maintain them, on the milhist talk page since they are warships, or on the wp:ships talk page since they were sea going ships. We all have a stake in maintaining the articles at FA level, after all :) As to the first part of your statement, I appreciate the clarification. As one who is attending summer school I find that I miss a number of important discussions on matters of this nature and wanted to know if one had taken place for this template before deciding on a course of action. We are to assume good faith after all. I will ask on the creators talk page tomorrow. Thanks you for your assistance on this matter. TomStar81 (Talk) 09:36, 14 June 2009 (UTC)

There are several FAQ templates— see {{FAQ templates see also}} for a list. The use of any particular one is a personal choice; although I will plug {{FAQ2}} since it is one template v. the three used to make the USS New Jersey FAQ, the header text is a bit more polite and the questions actually show on the article talk page (and yes, I created it). As to where questions about the article FAQ page should be directed, this could be a question on the FAQ. ---— Gadget850 (Ed) ^talk 13:27, 14 June 2009 (UTC)

Speedy Deletion

I have made a page, Karmakanic It is not my first page (Though some editors are treating me as if though I am new), though it is the first time I've made a new page in many years. Wikipedia being the way it is, it was about 15 seconds before it was nominated for speedy deletion by one of the many people who believe that this site should be a white page unless good reason is given for it being otherwise.

I have since had the article undeleted. The speedy deletion is invalid now, and furthermore both the nominator and the admin who deleted it failed to read this article on notability from wikipedia which makes it quite clear that an article should be deleted when there is no information on the band (Thus it is not notable), but that otherwise the person nominating it or deleting it should see if there is information and sources for the subject matter. If there is, the article should not be deleted, but needs significant improvements.

So, my rant aside, the question I wish to ask is how can I remove the speedy deletion nomination when I can't myself, even though I know the band meets the requirements of numbers 1, 4, 5 and 6 in the list Wikipedia:BAND#Criteria_for_musicians_and_ensembles?

1 - I intend to prove through sourcing 4 - Has toured extensively in all of Europe 5 - One album with The End and one album with Inside Out. The latter is certainly notable, the former less so, but still meets the listed requirements 6 - Jonas Reingold (The Flower Kings), Zoltan Csörsz (Also The Flower Kings) and Göran Edman (Yngwie Malmsteen vocalist)

Sorry if this is too much, in the wrong category, or something else I didn't foresee. I was looking to have a second person investigate to see if it meets the criteria to remove the nomination for speedy deletion. - Floydian (talk) 04:43, 14 June 2009 (UTC)

I recommend developing draft articles in user space. Why not move it to User:Floydian/Karmakanic? That way people will usually leave them alone. —teb728 t c 05:11, 14 June 2009 (UTC)

I concur. As the article currently stands, it "does not indicate why its subject is important or significant", which is a reason for speedy deletion. hmwithτ 05:46, 14 June 2009 (UTC)

I suggest adding {{Underconstruction}} at the top of the page.174.3.103.39 (talk) 07:20, 14 June 2009 (UTC)

An {{Underconstruction}} tag doesn't prevent an article from being deleted any more than a {{hangon}} tag. When an article first goes in Article space, it must as a minimum indicate why its subject is notable. —teb728 t c 08:33, 14 June 2009 (UTC)

Need an administrator's help with an article name

I moved Si Siman to its current page, reflecting this person's most common or notable name. I accidentally left a period after his name, however, in the article title. Could that please be removed? Thanks, RadioBroadcast (talk) 05:16, 14 June 2009 (UTC)

 Done I moved Si Siman. to Si Siman, and I redirected Ely E. "Si" Siman, Jr. directly to the new page. In the future, you can request these moves at WP:RM. hmwithτ 05:41, 14 June 2009 (UTC)

gallery tag

How can I make <gallery> so it doesn't just show 4 to a row? Say if I wanted to make it unlimited, or just 3 to a row?174.3.103.39 (talk) 05:09, 14 June 2009 (UTC)

See Gallery tag help and below for full list of parameters. —teb728 t c 05:18, 14 June 2009 (UTC)

Bugzilla

Column 1	Column 2	Column 3
A	B
	C	D
E	F
G
H

Is it possible to make the table so that the Cell F has it's lower right quadrant divided into F₁ (let's say (or for those of you linguistically challenged, F Prime (yes I know what Prime looks like)))?

If not, can someone submit this to bugzilla so we can do so?174.3.103.39 (talk) 07:14, 14 June 2009 (UTC)

If it can be done in HTML (which I doubt), then you could use that HTML on a Wikipedia page instead of using wikimarkup. If (as I suspect) it cannot be done in HTML, then bugzilla would be of no help, for wikimarkup ultimately has to translate to HTML. —teb728 t c 08:16, 14 June 2009 (UTC)

I'm not sure what you are trying to do. You can place a new table within the "F" cell of your table:

Column 1	Column 2	Column 3
A	B
	C	D
E	F F1
G
H

But I'm not clear on exactly how you wish to subdivide after that. -Arch dude (talk) 17:47, 14 June 2009 (UTC)

chnges saved twise?

How to edit my own changes? is there any option? My changes are saved twise.. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Sreevatsamr (talk • contribs) 11:08, 14 June 2009 (UTC)

Replying on user talk page. Nyttend (talk) 12:53, 14 June 2009 (UTC)

Edit war

A user by the name Norw73 is constantly re-writing a section on the siberian tiger article by placing claims which run contrary to the provided references. I have warned him that this is basically vandalism. Who are the aproppriate authorities to consult?Mariomassone (talk) 11:24, 14 June 2009 (UTC)

There are no "authorities" per se, however, you could report them to the edit war noticeboard where other volunteer editors will review the case for you. TNXMan 13:09, 14 June 2009 (UTC)

"Fit"

To Whom it May Concern,

The non-medical term "fit" is a lay-mans term used for a seizure that should not be used nor published.

1. As a child my be throwing a "fit", or tantrum as he or she is able to control their behaviors.

2. A person who is physically "fit" due to their behaviors became this way with proper excercise.

3. A person having a "fit" as stated with a seizure has no control over his/her behaviors.

These old lay-mans terms should be corrected in your encyclapedia as a seizure "fit" is not a controlled behavior.

Please contact me regarding this as I am a world known Epilepsy/Seizure Advocate and am trying to help educate those who want to be educated.

Dr's do not use this terminology regarding their patients and I think it would be excellent if Wikipedia would be the first on-line based web-site other than proffessional medical web-sites to educate others on this matter.

A definition you may like to keep if you choose to -

Fit - A term used years ago for seizures.

You could expand on the fact that it is no longer used because drs have learned that there is more than 1 type of seizure.

Thank you so much, Amy Kemp

Are you referring to the page Fit? That is a disambiguation page and the purpose of such pages is not to provide information but to guide readers to the article they are looking for. Most Wikipedia readers are lay people and may search for "fit" when they want the seizure article. Or are you suggesting that seizure adds something about old/lay use of the word "fit" which is currently not mentioned in that article? PrimeHunter (talk) 13:07, 14 June 2009 (UTC)

Also see Euphemism#The "euphemism treadmill" and WP:NOTCENSORED. Wikipedia does not refrain from using words solely because they offend someone or are politically incorrect. However, if you find an instance of the word "fit" which is technically misleading in the context of one of our articles, feel free to correct it. Your request would make more sense if you linked to the article(s) where you saw the word "fit" in a usage you disagree with. Wikipedia is very large (6,928,648 articles and growing) and probably uses a common word like "fit" thousands of times. --Teratornis (talk) 19:40, 14 June 2009 (UTC)

Can't edit a template

Looking at the description of File:Farmer walking in dust storm Cimarron County Oklahoma2.jpg, I wanted to improve the wording on the larger of the two "this is a featured picture" tags, the one with the Wikimedia logo as well as the featured content star — "...picture on the English Wikipedia..." would sound much better than "...picture on English Wikipedia...". However, going to {{FeaturedPicture}}, I discovered that it was only the smaller of the two templates, and I can't find any subpages that include the other tag. What is the template/subpage/whatever else with the tag that I want, and how can it be edited? Nyttend (talk) 13:03, 14 June 2009 (UTC)

File:Farmer walking in dust storm Cimarron County Oklahoma2.jpg has a box saying "This is a file from the Wikimedia Commons. The description on its description page there is shown below." The words "description page there" link to commons:File:Farmer walking in dust storm Cimarron County Oklahoma2.jpg which contains {{Assessments|enwiki=1|enwiki-nom=Wikipedia:Featured picture candidates/Farmer and sons in dust storm, Cimarron County}}. The tag is made by that. Editing the template may be complicated. You can make a suggestion on commons:Template talk:Assessments. PrimeHunter (talk) 13:22, 14 June 2009 (UTC)

login account lost (2)

I posted the below earlier:

I forgot my password and chose the email password option but I did not get the email. My username is Kifo. I even got a password reminder in november last year. What can I do now? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 220.255.210.207 (talk) 10:07, 9 June 2009 (UTC)

Did you change email accounts in the mean time? If you got a password reminder last year, then why not use it to pull the password and access your account? (P.S. Check your email spam filter and trash can, sometimes email programs mistake password reminders as spam when they previously didn't. - 131.211.211.13 (talk) 10:24, 9 June 2009 (UTC)

The password reminder from Nov last year is no longer working. I am on Google mail and I have checked that there is no password email in my spam mail folder. Can I still get back my account? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 219.74.130.42 (talk) 13:03, 14 June 2009 (UTC)

If the email function is not working (whether you changed email accounts or the password just isn't getting to you), then there is no way to recover your account. We have no way of resetting the password if it has been forgotten. Sorry. TNXMan 13:07, 14 June 2009 (UTC)

Image placement

how do I embed a file (pic) to appear on the right of the Contents table, instead of on top of it (creating all kinds of white space)?

It depends on the article, but you should be able to do this by placing it right at the start of the article and adding a "right" parameter to the template, e.g.:

[[File:Example.jpg|right]]

Gonzonoir (talk) 14:53, 14 June 2009 (UTC)

Usually, in almost every situation where you'd add an image to an article, you should use a thumbnail, which is done by typing [[File:Example.jpg|thumb]]. That automatically places images on the right, unless one has set his/her preferences otherwise. You can also add |right after or before |thumb if you want to only have it show on the right. hmwithτ 15:11, 14 June 2009 (UTC)

why my article hasn't been posted yet

I created an article about the writer Denene Millner. I was told that some of the content too closely resembled the bio information on one of the writer's websites, www.celebrateblacklove.com. I sent an email from that website, granting permission to use that information on wikipedia. I got an acknowledgement from Wikipedia that the email had been received. So now what? The article still hasn't been posted. Nickwrite (talk) 16:03, 14 June 2009 (UTC)

Permission can't just be granted to use Wikipedia. It has to be released to be licensed under the GFDL. Do you have an OTRS ticket number? hmwithτ 16:18, 14 June 2009 (UTC)

For more information, see WP:Requesting copyright permission, specifically #When permission is confirmed. hmwithτ 16:21, 14 June 2009 (UTC)

You'd be the one to repost the article once permission was granted. hmwithτ 16:27, 14 June 2009 (UTC)

Engineering college rankings in India article

The articles on the web which have been provided as citations in this article actually list the institutions in an order completely different from that in which they are presented in the article. I wonder whether such an article listing educational institutions by their "ranks" (based on the quality of institutes) should be present on Wikipedia in the first place. Even if the article should be kept, the ranks, as I mentioned, are in an incorrect order. Any solutions? --Leif edling (talk) 16:23, 14 June 2009 (UTC)

Hm, if I were you, I would prod it, including the reasons you just mentioned. hmwithτ 16:29, 14 June 2009 (UTC)

Italics in article titles

I've noticed that for some pages about species the title of the article shows up in italics, e.g. Chlorodesmos. However for articles about books, e.g. Adventures of Huckleberry Finn, the title is not italicized. (I'm referring the the title at the top of the page, right about the horizontal rule and "From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia".)

How does the software determine how to render the title? If there's some tag I'm missing, should this be included for articles about books? Pburka (talk) 18:27, 14 June 2009 (UTC)

See:

• {{taxobox name}}
• Template talk:Taxobox name#Auto-italicisation of page name
• Wikipedia:Village pump (policy)/Archive 63#Italic title
• Wikipedia:Village pump (technical)/Archive 56#Italic titles for names
• Wikipedia:Village pump (technical)/Archive 58#Italics in article name
• Wikipedia talk:Manual of Style/Archive 108#Italic titles

---— Gadget850 (Ed) ^talk 19:26, 14 June 2009 (UTC)

Thanks for the info! Pburka (talk) 20:10, 14 June 2009 (UTC)

Name Change

What is the limit to the number of times someone can change their username? Queenie 18:54, 14 June 2009 (UTC)

I have not heard of a written or technical limit but each change must be accepted and performed by a bureaucrat. See Wikipedia:Changing username. I could imagine they would reject it if somebody kept requesting a new name without a good reason. PrimeHunter (talk) 20:36, 14 June 2009 (UTC)

updating search engine for single word search?

How often does Wikipedia update its search index? I ask because page I created earlier this afternoon about a solar scientist named John I. Yellott, only comes up if I type in his name exactly-- including a pesky period after his middle initial. A reader should be able to get to it just by typing his last name: Yellott.ElijahBosley (talk) 19:13, 14 June 2009 (UTC)

I'm sure the spider will get around to it eventually, but why not create a redirect from Yellot to John I. Yellott? Pburka (talk) 19:21, 14 June 2009 (UTC)

Don't you mean Yellott to John I. Yellott? IMHO redirects shouldn't be unnecessary, perhaps John I Yellott would be better, seeing as if you leave out the period, it's a plausible misspelling? - Jarry1250 ^{(t, c)} 19:25, 14 June 2009 (UTC)

Submission on artist to Wikipedia

Hello, what is your process for adding an artist and definition or bio on that artist to Wikipedia?

Tara —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.69.151.15 (talk) 19:31, 14 June 2009 (UTC)

See WP:ARTIST, WP:LAYOUT, WP:YFA, and WP:WWMPD. --Teratornis (talk) 19:43, 14 June 2009 (UTC)

Also see WP:MUSIC, WP:BAND - Floydian (talk) 20:02, 14 June 2009 (UTC)

Is citing a book by an article's subject by nature OR?

An article exists on a certain author. Controversy exists over the accuracy of things this author has published. A section in the article deals with this controversy. As an example, in one of the author's books, he quotes a woman's opinion of an event that occurred long after her death. In an edit, I cited the author's book as a source for this quotation. Another editor deleted the entire issue because I had used the author's own book as a source, and that because I was using the book under discussion to cite the quote, I had committed an act of OR. I am told by this editor that I must find another source mentioning the quotation, since "This is original research because it is making assumptions based on the original text." This reasoning has been used by the other editor as cause for reverting anything that is sourced to the books under discussion. If a hypothetical author writes in one of his books, "Abraham Lincoln said Franklin Roosevelt was an idiot," and in discussing the controversy this and similar statements had created in the community beyond Wikipedia, can I not cite the book itself as evidence that the author made this statement, in order to provide an indication of what the controversy is about? Must I find another book that says "In his book, author Joe Blow quoted Abraham Lincoln as saying...etc."? If this author publishes books of interviews with people now dead in which he claims for them attitudes they never expressed publicly during their lives, is it necessary to find other sources that quote the author quoting the dead people, in order to avoid the edit being OR? I am trying to understand the statement that "This is original research because it is making assumptions based on the original text." Monkeyzpop (talk) 20:06, 14 June 2009 (UTC)

In my opinion, you can cite the book as evidence that he made the statement. That's using a primary source, not original research. However you need to cite a secondary source indicating that the statement is wrong or controversial. Making such an assertion yourself (even if supported by facts) would be WP:SYNTHESIS, a form of WP:OR. Pburka (talk) 20:17, 14 June 2009 (UTC)

Template that should be used

Hi, I'm having difficulties with a user who keeps changing the File:Vfl Wolfsburg.svg templates. Which summary description is appropriate? Is it from this version[7] by me or the current version by the user. The current also leave out this part "The logo is from the Vfl Wolfsburg Official Website website.Converted to AI format by Vflnet.com and then converted to SVG by Arteyu using Adobe Illustrator. Then cropped the SVG by using Inkscape". Please also visit my talkpage and take a look at the "Png -> Svg" section, I cant really understand what the user is trying to explain, but as far as I am concerned SVG is the appropriate format and the template that I use is coomon for SVG files (especially for football logos, you can try to look at other SVG football logo file template). Any of you are welcomed to leave a reply at the bottom of the "Png -> Svg" section. Thanks. Arteyu ? _{Blame it on me !} 20:28, 14 June 2009 (UTC)

The image is a logo, so {{logo fur}} is more appropriate, but {{Non-free media rationale}} (which redirects to {{non-free use rationale}}) is not egregiously wrong, however {{information}} is more often used for free images. The image is being used in two articles, so you must have a rationale for each article. You can also use {{non-free image data}} and multiple {{non-free image rationale}}. BTW: the use of this non-free image is probably not appropriate for Fußball-Bundesliga 2008–09#Champion Squad. ---— Gadget850 (Ed) ^talk 20:50, 14 June 2009 (UTC)

June 15

Link to article without it showing up on "what links here"

Can you put a link to an article (i.e. on a talk page or user page) so that it does not show up on that article's "what links here"? I thought adding a colon after the two left brackets and before the article's title might do it, but it doesn't. Bubba73 (talk), 00:33, 15 June 2009 (UTC)

Nightingale birds

Are there any nightingale birds in Northa America most especially the southeast. (as in Alabama. Georgia, Mississippi, etc) Thank you