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- Denelson83 22:31, 28 September 2008 (UTC)

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DiC promo video

What was wrong with using this as a reference? --Masamage ♫ 00:43, 24 June 2008 (UTC)

The site was not an official DiC site, making the upload a copyright violation. Per policy, such sites can not be linked to. -- [[::User:Collectonian|Collectonian]] ([[::User talk:Collectonian|talk]] · [[::Special:Contributions/Collectonian|contribs]]) 00:48, 24 June 2008 (UTC)

Ahhhh. Okay, thanks. (Pity, because DiC would have to be insane to post that anywhere themselves. Er...the fun kind of insane.) --Masamage ♫ 01:01, 24 June 2008 (UTC)

Officially/Literally

With the saying, "officially translated as Pretty Soldier Sailor Moon" that doesn't make sense. The word "official" means "authorized", but "literally" means "actually", so you would be better off saying it as "literally translated as Pretty Soldier Sailor Moon", because the words "official" and "literal" are not synonyms. --PJ Pete June 28, 2008

They're not synonyms, that is true. But "official" is correct in this case, and "literal" is not. The literal translation is "pretty girl soldier," whereas the official translation--that is, the English words that are printed even on Japanese merchandise--is "pretty soldier". --Masamage ♫ 04:00, 29 June 2008 (UTC)

Merge manga and anime

Note: I have copied this still-active discussion in from Talk:Sailor Moon (manga), as that article has been redirected here. The rest of the talk page now lives at Talk:Sailor Moon/Archive 6. --Masamage ♫ 19:17, 3 July 2008 (UTC)

I have tagged this article and Sailor Moon (anime) for merging back together into a single, proper article that follows WP:MOS-AM. Per the MoS, there is no valid reason these two should be separated. They have some differences, but those differences are not significant enough to warrant having the two media split, particularly when the individual anime arcs already have their own articles as well. The Sailor Moon mania has gotten rather out of hand, and I think the clean up needs to start here. Yes, SM is a huge franchise, but really...SEVEN articles just on the anime alone?? Thoughts on the suggested merge and on cleaning up the articles? Another option, and maybe the better one, is to merge this article and the anime one back to Sailor Moon as they really do not need standalone articles at all and are already pretty well covered there. -- [[::User:Collectonian|Collectonian]] ([[::User talk:Collectonian|talk]] · [[::Special:Contributions/Collectonian|contribs]]) 05:53, 22 June 2008 (UTC)

The original purpose of this article was to list the manga volumes, but because that has been moved to List of Sailor Moon chapters, it may not be needed anymore after all. The left-over stuff can probably be split-merged over to that article and to the main article. Likewise with the anime one.

Please don't blame these things on "mania". It's just a remnant of an old organizational system. --Masamage ♫ 17:42, 22 June 2008 (UTC)

I'd believe it wasn't "mania" if the SM project didn't continue to fight cleaning up SM articles to bring them inline with WP:MOS-AM and Wikipedia guidelines so that it could actually be the set of awesome articles it could be. Other much larger articles have been cleaned up and brought in line with much less trouble, despite being current fan favorites. SM needs a lot of work and clean up, and while this proposal seems to actually be getting some support, most doesn't. -- [[::User:Collectonian|Collectonian]] ([[::User talk:Collectonian|talk]] · [[::Special:Contributions/Collectonian|contribs]]) 17:58, 22 June 2008 (UTC)

Okay, so. If we do this it will mean kind of a rearrangement of how we're keeping things organized on the project in general. I'll work out some thoughts on that and post it to the main project page, since it affects so many articles. --Masamage ♫ 21:42, 22 June 2008 (UTC)

I definitely support a merger. The information given in these articles can be easily mentioned in Sailor Moon. Lord Sesshomaru (talk • edits) 16:54, 23 June 2008 (UTC)

Yes, it would, which would be good. :) -- [[::User:Collectonian|Collectonian]] ([[::User talk:Collectonian|talk]] · [[::Special:Contributions/Collectonian|contribs]]) 18:23, 23 June 2008 (UTC)

I would support a merger to List of Sailor Moon chapters, but not one to the main Sailor Moon article for reasons of size and summary style. As the short stories are currently being covered both here and in the list of chapters, it makes sense to merge them there. -Malkinann (talk) 22:45, 27 June 2008 (UTC)

I imagine it as a kind of split-merger in any case; a lot of the info here is already in one of those two spaces. We would divvy up the rest according to where it needed to be; discussion of manga creation at the main article, discussion of its contents at the chapter list, that sort of thing. --Masamage ♫ 22:53, 27 June 2008 (UTC)

There is nothing in this article that is appropriate for merger to the chapter list except perhaps some basics for the lead, but those first go in the main, then the chapter list. About the only thing that "might" be mergable is the short story summaries, except of course that our chapter lists normally don't include those at all. -- [[::User:Collectonian|Collectonian]] ([[::User talk:Collectonian|talk]] · [[::Special:Contributions/Collectonian|contribs]]) 00:27, 28 June 2008 (UTC)

Support on this page, but I only support a merge of the anime page as long as none of the info on the music gets lost. Maybe a page for that?--Lego3400: The Sage of Time (talk) 04:29, 3 July 2008 (UTC)

I have now carried out the manga merge, which is by far the easier of the two. The anime will be trickier as I try to find room for the music section, but yes, it will definitely be here. Takanori Arisawa won too many awards for it not to be. :) --Masamage ♫ 19:17, 3 July 2008 (UTC)

Okay, I brought in the music section. It has some fansite refs, but we can clean that up as we do all the others. The page is starting to get a little bit crowded, but certain other planned developments will help that a lot, such as creating the list of characters (which I'm working on) so that that section can go away. I think I'll trim down the English adaptations section for now, too, since there's somewhere else to read about that. --Masamage ♫ 23:38, 3 July 2008 (UTC)

Its fine on the page size. As each section is rewritten and cleaned up, it will take care of itself. Also agree on need for a real character list. We'll deal with some other stuff later. -- [[::User:Collectonian|Collectonian]] ([[::User talk:Collectonian|talk]] · [[::Special:Contributions/Collectonian|contribs]]) 00:48, 4 July 2008 (UTC)

Disputed tag

Why is the factual accuracy of this article disputed? This tag was added without explanation. Sure, the citations need help, but that's a different issue. What does the article say that is actually incorrect? --Masamage ♫ 23:58, 3 July 2008 (UTC)

There are quite a few "fan theories" and OR, some coming from non-RS fansites. -- [[::User:Collectonian|Collectonian]] ([[::User talk:Collectonian|talk]] · [[::Special:Contributions/Collectonian|contribs]]) 00:47, 4 July 2008 (UTC)

Okay. Like what? We can't clean them out if we don't know what they are, and you must have something specific in mind. --Masamage ♫ 17:47, 4 July 2008 (UTC)

Fansite stuff is tagged (at least, stuff that was here premerges :P). Anything whose source is question is also of disputed factual accuracy. -- [[::User:Collectonian|Collectonian]] ([[::User talk:Collectonian|talk]] · [[::Special:Contributions/Collectonian|contribs]]) 17:57, 4 July 2008 (UTC)

Oh, is that all? Okay, so let's limit the number of tags at the top of the page by having the most precisely obeyable ones up there. The Fansite sources are questioned individually and the top of the page says we need better sources, so let's remove this one since what it's talking about is being adequately expressed by the others. --Masamage ♫ 22:28, 4 July 2008 (UTC)

Eh? Where does it say on Wikipedia:RS that fan websites are out? In fact, it doesn't even have the word "fan" on it. What it does say is if the source is considered reliable by a majority that it is permissible. Hitoshi Doi, when we aren't using him for episode summaries is reliable. He's been sourced by books and other people in the academic circle. He also is bilingual, though stronger in Japanese. He also lists his sources on his website--granted not all, but enough. Just because a website was made by a fan doesn't mean it isn't permissible. What we need to look at is if other people have sourced them as a reliable source for information. BTW, Translations are also not against copyright laws. In fact they have their own copyright on copyright.gov's explanation. As long as the original text isn't being taken wholesale and as long as the translations are the person's own, it's not a copyright violation. ^_^ Alex Glover worked for Tokyopop in a few of the products they have. Stuart Levy also approved of his translations through e-mail with me. Bu the former would put him as a good source for translation. He's not just another fan. (I also painstakingly checked his translations)...--Hitsuji Kinno (talk) 22:35, 5 July 2008 (UTC)

Fansites are mostly not permissible because of WP:V#SELF, which is linked to from WP:RS. Because anyone can publish a website, it may or may not be total nonsense, and extra validation has to be given to confirm that it's reliable. Doi is okay as a source because he has received such validation from external, reliable sources, as is being discussed currently at WT:ANIME. --Masamage ♫ 22:42, 5 July 2008 (UTC)

Then the ones marked with Hitoshi Doi in the reception section as an "unreliable source" should be cut out if he's deemed reliable. Does that make any sense? I hope it does.--Hitsuji Kinno (talk) 06:49, 6 July 2008 (UTC)

Aha! Yes, those were marked before the discussion at the Wikiproject. I'll clear those particular tags off now. --Masamage ♫ 06:52, 6 July 2008 (UTC)

I'd also contend that reference 5 is also valid since it's sourced by academics and is printed in a legit academic magazine, making it a verified source. That's the Mary Grisby reference. That one was marked as well, despite it being referenced in several books and put in an academic journal. If you want to check me on this: [1]

Unless I'm missing something, I did not tag reference 5 (Grisby). 4 is marked, but not 5. -- [[::User:Collectonian|Collectonian]] ([[::User talk:Collectonian|talk]] · [[::Special:Contributions/Collectonian|contribs]]) 02:34, 9 July 2008 (UTC)

Creation of a new character list?

Er why is it on the To-Do list we have create a new character list as a point? I know there were concerns about our character list, but didn't we agree that all the characters there were minor because they only recurred throughout the series and that all the Sailor Senshi were notable enough to have their own articles?--Hanaichi 01:15, 6 July 2008 (UTC)

Because there IS no List of Sailor Moon characters that all the characters, which is what there should be. Just because they have their own articles does not mean there shouldn't be a list summarizing them, along with the other major characters who aren't sailor scouts. Ideally, the minor character list would be moved to List of Sailor Moon characters, expanded, sourced, and cleaned up to be a proper, high quality list similar to List of Naruto characters and List of Fruits Basket characters (which are poised to be out first two featured character lists). -- [[::User:Collectonian|Collectonian]] ([[::User talk:Collectonian|talk]] · [[::Special:Contributions/Collectonian|contribs]]) 01:29, 6 July 2008 (UTC)

Ok, so we make a list for the major characters then link it out to the minor characters? Or we cramp everything into one list, or do something like the List of minor Rurouni Kenshin characters which doesn't have a main list either. I'm more favourable for the first option, but anything is OK. So the page would look like:

• Intro, explaining characters and the minor ones.
• Sailor Moon, Tuxedo Mask and Chibiusa
• Inner Senshi characters
• Outer Senshi characters
• Starlights
• Cats
• Perhaps merge the arc characters which has lack of reception info here (eg, Kakyu or Galaxia)
• Finally, linking to the minor characters OR we could continue the list to explain other charaters

I think that more or less summarizes it.--Hanaichi

I think we need a single character list, unless/until there are valid concerns/reasons to have "minor" characters split out, which there really isn't in this case. Naruto is just as large, if not larger having a manga series on insane length, so I can't see why SM would need two lists if Naruto doesn't. RK will have a single list, by consensus. It is currently being worked on by another editor in their sandbox for easier discussion and less time pressure. The page would have the lead, then ideally should be organized first by protagonist, antagonist, supporting, then subgroups as necessary. And yes, all characters for which notability can not be established should be merged in with a proper summary (rather than blow by blow of every little thing they did for their appearances), and of course well sourced. -- [[::User:Collectonian|Collectonian]] ([[::User talk:Collectonian|talk]] · [[::Special:Contributions/Collectonian|contribs]]) 02:02, 6 July 2008 (UTC)

Here is the list I have been working on: User:Masamage/List of Sailor Moon characters. I've been shaping it up based on the general appearance of several featured character lists. It would include a merge of the extant minor-chracters list, which could easily be shortened to fit in because so much of it is plot information already covered at the arc articles/episode lists.

For now I'm pretending that each of the larger villain groups, but not the smaller ones, will remain their own articles--ie. Dark Kingdom and Shadow Galactica, but not Shitennou or Animamates, and so on. We can, of course, revisit that as each of those articles gets merged together and refined down. Always a work in progress.

Meanwhile, this'll be a jumping-off point, and if we ever end up deciding that someone like Princess Kakyuu doesn't need an entire article to herself, we don't have to waste any time debating whether it's fair to put her in a list of "minor" characters. --Masamage ♫ 03:24, 6 July 2008 (UTC)

Manga Pegasus and Elios are separate entities... That may cause issues... but since there are attribution problems, I'll not edit it.--Hitsuji Kinno (talk) 02:23, 9 July 2008 (UTC)

Not really. The Pegasus that visits Chibiusa, which is the only one anybody really cares about it, is Helios. The "real" Pegasus is a separate entity, but he doesn't do anything important. --Masamage ♫ 14:01, 9 July 2008 (UTC)

Agreed a Sailormoon character list would be most helpful as there are numerous new fans that want new information’s on the Sailor sensei and old fans are constantly searching for a compilation of all the characters.Zorro444 (talk) 09:22, 28 September 2008 (UTC)

Senshi. They're not teachers. --  Denelson83  22:29, 28 September 2008 (UTC)

Warriors of Legend

Is this a reliable source? If so, we can replace the Dies Gaudii link. --Masamage ♫ 03:52, 15 July 2008 (UTC)

From my understanding, it would be considered a reliable source, despite the legal issues of it being "unauthorized." May want to double check on the RS Noticeboard to see if a qualifier is needed when used, such as is done with Biographies to note "so and so said..." -- [[::User:Collectonian|Collectonian]] ([[::User talk:Collectonian|talk]] · [[::Special:Contributions/Collectonian|contribs]]) 04:04, 15 July 2008 (UTC)

They said it's unreliable because it's self-published, unless sources can be found stating that it's accurate and factual. All I've found is this ANN article praising it. Not sure that helps. --Masamage ♫ 15:53, 17 July 2008 (UTC)

But ANN in turn can't be counted as reliable, since they, too, are fan-based and self-published. Plus most of the book (Warriors of Legend) relies on conjecture and Original Research.--Hitsuji Kinno (talk) 04:45, 18 July 2008 (UTC)

ANN has been agreed on as reliable by the WP:ANIME folks. I forget why. --Masamage ♫ 04:53, 18 July 2008 (UTC)

Hell, AOD is also fan based. Let's torpedo that as well. Soon we will not have any articles cause all of the references for anime come from fan created sources (well, pretty much.) Kyaa the Catlord (talk) 06:31, 18 July 2008 (UTC)

Because both ANN and AoD meet all the requirements for being WP:RS, including long history of accurate reporting, heavy industry support, and being used as sources for other news sites. The only parts of either that are not RS are, of course, the forums. As well, for ANN, the main encyclopedic entires are find for "last resort" sources. Things like the trivia section, etc shouldn't be used. There is a detailed explanation on the use of ANN as a source on the project page. -- [[::User:Collectonian|Collectonian]] ([[::User talk:Collectonian|talk]] · [[::Special:Contributions/Collectonian|contribs]]) 07:36, 18 July 2008 (UTC)

Replacement reference(s)

The Sailor Moon series began as a manga written and drawn by Takeuchi, the series' creator. It was an evolution from her earlier Codename: Sailor V idea, expanding the concept into a team of five girls rather than just one.[1] Recurring motifs include astronomy,[4][unreliable source?] astrology, Greek myth,[5] Roman myth, geology, Japanese elemental themes,[6] teen fashions,[5][7] and schoolgirl antics.[7] I believe we can reference the number 4 unreliable source from the author herself. Didn't she say she was influenced by Yamato? Also the artbooks and liner notes periodically talk about it.--Hitsuji Kinno (talk) 04:48, 18 July 2008 (UTC)

Toast of Montmartre

In AMATEUR MANGA SUBCULTURE AND THE OTAKU PANIC, written by Sharon Kinsella, she describes Sailor Moon as the toast of Montmartre - maybe this could replace the current stuff about Club Dorothee, somewhat? -Malkinann (talk) 05:13, 19 July 2008 (UTC)

What does that even mean? X) --Masamage ♫ 16:01, 19 July 2008 (UTC)

It means Sailor Moon was popular in Montmartre. -Malkinann (talk) 23:47, 19 July 2008 (UTC)

As popular as toast? :D --Masamage ♫ 06:05, 20 July 2008 (UTC)

Franchise type

I feel it's slightly disingenuous to identify SM as just an anime/manga franchise. Obviously those are the most popular parts, but it's simply not factual to make them look like the whole thing. Maybe "the anime- and manga-based franchise" or something like that? Just to help make it clear that there's a lot more going on here? --Masamage ♫ 02:59, 31 July 2008 (UTC)

The manga is the primary work, not the anime. It is a manga and anime franchise. The rest are offshots of those two aspects. Also, the point of the hatnote is to help those who wound up here from somewhere else. It isn't intended to be a full description, but a quick one to help readers quickly identify where they are and if its where they want to be. -- [[::User:Collectonian|Collectonian]] ([[::User talk:Collectonian|talk]] · [[::Special:Contributions/Collectonian|contribs]]) 03:07, 31 July 2008 (UTC)

Yeah, I just default to saying "anime and manga" in conversation because of the alphabetical order used in the WikiProject. And I do understand the hatnote's purpose, and that it should be as petite as possible; I just feel it should also be as accurate as possible and am hoping for a compromise.

The other thing is that no one here is going to be looking for some other thing called "Sailor Moon" that has nothing to do with the franchise; no such thing exists at all. If they're not looking for this page, they're looking for one of its subpages. The current emphasis seems to explain, "oh, this is the anime and manga franchise. I'm looking for that other franchise."

That's why the previous hatnote identified it as "the franchise as a whole". Not any individual facet, but the whole. Because no one will be looking for something that falls outside those two options, so that seems like a much more useful disambiguation. --Masamage ♫ 03:14, 31 July 2008 (UTC)

I'm with Collectonian on this. Also note that many other anime/manga articles make use of this layout (see discussion). Lord Sesshomaru (talk • edits) 03:28, 31 July 2008 (UTC)

With the merges, though, this page is mostly about the manga and anime...the other parts have their own subarticles, as you noted. -- [[::User:Collectonian|Collectonian]] ([[::User talk:Collectonian|talk]] · [[::Special:Contributions/Collectonian|contribs]]) 03:30, 31 July 2008 (UTC)

That doesn't really change my main point, though. This article is about the whole franchise, its parts and history and development and reception and cultural influence. --Masamage ♫ 03:31, 31 July 2008 (UTC)

No, it really isn't. Everything in the article, except the specific adaption sections, are about the manga first, anime second. And, um, there is no history nor development info here at all. :P -- [[::User:Collectonian|Collectonian]] ([[::User talk:Collectonian|talk]] · [[::Special:Contributions/Collectonian|contribs]]) 03:35, 31 July 2008 (UTC)

I know what you mean Masamage, but the fact remains that the main focus is on the manga and anime. Everything else is just an extension of that. Lord Sesshomaru (talk • edits) 03:40, 31 July 2008 (UTC)

So why don't the adaptation sections count as part of the article? This is the launching-point. It has everything, and that's very important. Also, there's history/development info everywhere, peppered through every section. --Masamage ♫ 04:04, 31 July 2008 (UTC)

I disagree wholly about using the term "anime and manga franchise". Literally, the anime is an extension of the manga therefore one could just use "manga franchise". This would be wrong however, as the franchise collectively includes anime, manga, musicals, live action and games. The entire Sailor Moon article isn't suppose to have a main focus on manga and anime alone due to it being the most well known, that would be just close to WP:ILIKEIT (although the reason for it is because the information is readily available in English, unlike the musicals and the live action). I say we just use "franchise" to collectively include everything and avoid user confusion.--Hanaichi 12:14, 31 July 2008 (UTC)

I could go for just "franchise". What do you say Collectonian? Lord Sesshomaru (talk • edits) 19:21, 31 July 2008 (UTC)

That works better for me too, although I still think "the franchise as a whole" is the best way to go. --Masamage ♫ 19:33, 31 July 2008 (UTC)

Manga franchise works for me. While "franchise" as a whole makes sense to those of us who know what it is, those who have never heard of Sailor Moon may find it confusing. Most people see franchise and they think a company franchise, not a related group of media works. -- [[::User:Collectonian|Collectonian]] ([[::User talk:Collectonian|talk]] · [[::Special:Contributions/Collectonian|contribs]]) 02:00, 1 August 2008 (UTC)

"Manga franchise" doesn't make sense; it suggests that all the component parts are manga. I think people are very unlikely to be confused by "franchise" or "franchise as a whole", because as I said, virtually nobody is going to end up at this page by sheer accident. What the franchise is is explained by reading the article itself; this is just the hatnote, and its job is not to explain the article. It's to disambiguate it. --Masamage ♫ 05:13, 1 August 2008 (UTC)

Maybe the problem is with the understanding of the definition of franchise? And especially the usage. American Heritage.com says:

"1. A privilege or right officially granted a person or a group by a government, especially: a. The constitutional or statutory right to vote. b. The establishment of a corporation's existence. c. The granting of certain rights and powers to a corporation. d. Legal immunity from servitude, certain burdens, or other restrictions. 2a. Authorization granted to someone to sell or distribute a company's goods or services in a certain area. b. A business or group of businesses established or operated under such authorization. 3. The territory or limits within which immunity, a privilege, or a right may be exercised. 4. A professional sports team."

I think you want definition 2. But think about it carefully, it's not a franchise created by the manga. That's an abuse of the word franchise. It's created by Takeuchi-sensei who in turn liscensed her rights to allow the production of those various media that are listed. If you want to be technical about the word franchise, it would be a media franchise created by Naoko Takeuchi.

Saying Manga franchise is an abuse of the word franchise. If you want to say it originated from the manga... that's separate from the word franchise. Franchise is all encompassing, not limiting to the creation. You can say McDonald's Franchise, for example, but the type of franchise they are is a Fast Food Franchise. If they went into the business of something like a sit and eat place, then it would be a restaurant franchise, not a Fast Food franchise. Does everyone understand the meaning of this word now? When you say franchise, and put a tag in front, the tag is a descriptor of what the franchise encompasses, not the origin thereof.

Sorry, I really have a thing for bad word usage here... You know, writer's instincts piqued by a few months of editing. If you want to say it originated from manga then the proper wording in English would be manga-originated media franchise. Got it?--Hitsuji Kinno (talk) 05:34, 6 August 2008 (UTC)

Perhaps "media franchise"? Our aim should be to keep it brief. Lord Sesshomaru (talk • edits) 03:03, 7 August 2008 (UTC)

Media franchise would be good. --Masamage ♫ 03:08, 7 August 2008 (UTC)

Media franchise would work for me. -- [[::User:Collectonian|Collectonian]] ([[::User talk:Collectonian|talk]] · [[::Special:Contributions/Collectonian|contribs]]) 04:17, 7 August 2008 (UTC)

I'm assuming this change will also be implemented with the manga-related articles mentioned here? Lord Sesshomaru (talk • edits) 04:22, 7 August 2008 (UTC)

Perhaps you might want to alert the WP:Anime and Manga first? Media franchise works fine for me.--Hanaichi 04:34, 7 August 2008 (UTC)

Wait, did you want me to do it or can I leave it in your hands? Lord Sesshomaru (talk • edits) 16:03, 7 August 2008 (UTC)

Go ahead please. I'm a bit tangled up in some legit affairs concerning a school and creating an article on the school, which the school doesn't want so I'm a bit busy.--Hanaichi 23:44, 7 August 2008 (UTC)

I've left the note here. Do I just wait until I get an answer or may I begin the changes? Lord Sesshomaru (talk • edits) 04:45, 11 August 2008 (UTC)

Ok, it has been a little more than a month. Think I'll go ahead and make the edits. Any thoughts before that happens? Lord Sesshomaru (talk • edits) 04:57, 20 September 2008 (UTC)

Japanese TV category

Replying to this edit summary--all that means is that the category should be added to PGSM (which I'll do right now). We don't need to use it here; it's redundant. --Masamage ♫ 16:31, 21 August 2008 (UTC)

Wait, no! It doesn't even need to be there, because that's in Category:Tokusatsu already. I say the category isn't needed here at all. --Masamage ♫ 16:32, 21 August 2008 (UTC)

Wouldn't it be better to ask User:Kazu-kun first? Lord Sesshomaru (talk • edits) 16:33, 21 August 2008 (UTC)

Might as well. I left a message. --Masamage ♫ 17:34, 21 August 2008 (UTC)

It's been several days; we're probably safe assuming he doesn't care at this point. We should move forward; everything can be reverted later if new arguments come to light. --Masamage ♫ 19:26, 26 August 2008 (UTC)

Indeed. (S)he never answers back to me either. Wonder why? Lord Sesshomaru (talk • edits) 19:35, 26 August 2008 (UTC)

Aside from that, I found that Cutie Honey is categorized as such, but Jigoku Shojo isn't. Care to take a look at them Masamage? Lord Sesshomaru (talk • edits) 19:18, 27 August 2008 (UTC)

I removed the redundant cat in Cutie Honey and added Tokusatsu to Hell Girl. --Masamage ♫ 19:56, 27 August 2008 (UTC)

Moonlight Densetsu

I just figured out how we can get around the citation problem with the theme song. Instead of citing Alex Glover, we can just change the wording to whatever the official English subs say, and cite that. Who owns the DVDs and can take care of this? --Masamage ♫ 21:12, 16 September 2008 (UTC)

Anyone? Just watching the first few minutes of the first episode would do it. --Masamage ♫ 18:33, 5 October 2008 (UTC)

I'm not sure the lyrics should be posted at all. It would seem to violate WP:COPYRIGHT and seems excessive. It seems enough to me to note the song lyrics were changed but the instrumental kept, particularly when the interpretation seems based on an unreliable source. -- Collectonian (talk · contribs) 18:37, 5 October 2008 (UTC)

Actually, rumour has it that a print magazine once lambasted the dub theme tune... [2] -Malkinann (talk) 20:52, 5 October 2008 (UTC)

Changing where the redirects go?

Might it be better to have the Sailor Moon (manga) redirect go to List of Sailor Moon chapters and Sailor Moon (anime) go to List of Sailor Moon episodes rather than here? -Malkinann (talk) 03:59, 5 November 2008 (UTC)

I don't think it would. They were originally series articles, not specific chapter/episode lists. -- Collectonian (talk · contribs) 04:01, 5 November 2008 (UTC)

I think I agree. If any links to those redirects remain, you'll learn more about what the anime is here than at the episode list, and then you can go there from here for more info. --Masamage ♫ 17:34, 5 November 2008 (UTC)

Ending themes?

I really think this shouldn't be a problem, but where are the information for the ending themes to Sailor Moon (the series as a whole not the first season)? There is info about the openings, but not the endings. I knew there were 5, but due to my recent watching of SuperS I am to believe that there are 6 now. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.193.229.228 (talk) 03:04, 21 November 2008 (UTC)

Ending themes should be covered in the episode lists. -- Collectonian (talk · contribs) 03:10, 21 November 2008 (UTC)

There were seven.

1. Heart Moving (C #1)
2. Princess Moon (C #2)
3. Otome no Policy (R)
4. Tuxedo Mirage (S)
5. Watashi-tachi ni Naritakute (SuperS #1)
6. Rashiku Ikimasho (SuperS #2)
7. Kaze mo Sora mo Kitto (Stars)

-- RattleMan 04:33, 21 November 2008 (UTC)

It's in some of them but not all. R and SuperS doesn't have the themes listed. The whole reason why I brought this up is cause of the music section. It talks about the opening songs, but not the closing ones. It mentions insert songs, image songs, and battle music, but nothing about the ending songs. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.193.229.228 (talk) 05:31, 22 November 2008 (UTC)

New reference needed

http://www.dicentertainment.com/corporate/ no longer points where we needed it to. How can we replace the ref stating that DiC was owned by Disney? --Masamage ♫ 19:21, 24 November 2008 (UTC)

*ahem* http://web.archive.org/web/20071219211247/http://www.dicentertainment.com/corporate/ :P....and updated. BTW, there is currently a discussion to split DIC Entertainment from the new Cookie Jar article. More views would be good. -- Collectonian (talk · contribs) 19:35, 24 November 2008 (UTC)

Cool, I've always been hazy on how to find webarchivals. Thanks! --Masamage ♫ 03:49, 25 November 2008 (UTC)

If you have the old URL, just go to archive.org and search for it. Usually they have some archives for it, then just look for the newest one with the info you need :) -- Collectonian (talk · contribs) 05:27, 25 November 2008 (UTC)

Multiple issues?

Either the article should be demoted from GA status, or the use of {{articleissues}} on the page is outdated. I find it hard to believe that it would be neither. --Dylan620 (Home • yadda yadda yadda • Ooooohh!) 21:20, 29 November 2008 (UTC)

Request for comment on articles for individual television episodes and characters

A request for comments has been started that could affect the inclusion or exclusion of episode and character, as well as other fiction articles. Please visit the discussion at Wikipedia_talk:Notability_(fiction)#Final_adoption_as_a_guideline. Ikip (talk) 10:59, 3 February 2009 (UTC)

Novel Series

What exactly are the old (light?) novel series published Mixx Readz/Tokyopop Press? Are they related media or official adaptations? Ariolander (talk) 06:34, 17 February 2009 (UTC)

No Sailor Chiron?

I never really watched the show, but does anyone know why? I know an astrologer who really despises Chiron for some reason and loves this series, weird. Someone probably already asked but so what. --IdLoveOne (talk) 23:15, 5 March 2009 (UTC)

Do you mean Charon? My guess is that there's not a Sailor Senshi for that because it's a satellite of Pluto. The Sailor Team only has people named after the nine planets that made up the solar system when it was created, plus Moon herself. --Masamage ♫ 02:08, 7 March 2009 (UTC)

No, I mean Chiron, the centaur/comet. It's been pretty popular in astrology since its discovery, but it seems like the creator of Sailor Moon just ignored it or didn't know of it. Idk, maybe you're right and it's because it's not a planet.... --IdLoveOne (talk) 00:52, 8 March 2009 (UTC)

Oh, I see. Yeah, it seems she only went with the most basic, obvious, huge astronomical features, but she still ended up with 10+ main characters. For sanity's sake, she had to stop. :) Four asteroids and Mars' moons eventually got minor characters named for them, but other than that, it's just our own planets and various fictional worlds with non-mythological names (like "Chuu" and "Cocoon"). --Masamage ♫ 01:18, 8 March 2009 (UTC)

Useful quote?

"This picture was on the cover of Sailor Moon Volume 4, whose first edition sold 1,200,000 copies. During the time I was working on the picture, it was confirmed that Sailor Moon would be adapted into a musical and I met the cast who would play the Sailor Soldiers recurrently."

Confirms 2 things. 1. She met the cast and met them repeatedly. 2. The exact sales figures of Sailor Moon Volume 4 in the first run. This is from Sailor Moon Original Picture Volume 2 which interestingly enough calls Chibiusa also Chibiusagi and mentions that Chibiusa was supposed to be a serious child with only alien friends at first...--Hitsuji Kinno (talk) 04:23, 6 April 2009 (UTC)

Reference to Sailor Moon on The Price Is Right (U.S. game show)

I'm not sure if this should be mentioned in the article, but I just recalled a recent episode of The Price is Right (in the United States) that featured a cameo appearence of Sailor Moon in the 2nd showcase. If anyone else knows more about this episode, and would like to mention TPIR in the article, please feel free to do so.--70.240.230.131 (talk) 04:34, 16 June 2009 (UTC)Chris