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This is an old revision of this page, as edited by Randall Brackett (talk | contribs) at 18:01, 30 November 2005. The present address (URL) is a permanent link to this revision, which may differ significantly from the current revision.

Cleanup

I have fixed the article and removed the cleanup tag. It is now at least on par with the rest of the DOA character pages. If source is questioned all of the info I added came either directly from in game content or from a game manual.--Alfador 04:29, 20 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

History and Personality

What are the sources for all of this new information? being a Wiki fact article, it is important that this all come from a reliable source and that all speculation on the part of either the editor or the source is either eliminated or stated as such in the article. Also, sorting the timeline by game to entirely different categories seems a little much, so I'm going to look into combinging them, especially since DOA3 contains nothing.--Alfador 23:19, 29 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

  • Personality sections can be determined from quotes, in game mannerisms, endings, etc. After playing through all the games, its not so difficult to understand a character's personality. As for the timeline, it should stay in the article to allow easy destiction between the character's motivation in the games. But as for the fact that DOA3 contains "nothing" as you put it, that's not true. Just some characters more or less have insignifigant or significant goals/ intresets in the tournament in others. As for your concensus, I don't understand it- information and formality has been stripped FROM the article and frankly it worries me just a little. If you want to do such things, discuss your changes with the rest of the DOA-wiki community and please don't just blindly make assumptions; my info-gathering has been the product of months of research and I would appreciate if others would do the same before doing something like this. Thank you.-MegamanZero 5:46 30,November 2005 (UTC)
fair enough, however, ther references to his comparison to Leon and his actual appearance history should not be totally removed as they do hold importance to the encyclopedic intent of the article. One could argue that you have done the same thing you criticize me for. As a result I'm going to place them back in, in a manner unobtrusive to the rest of the article. Regarding DOA3 containing nothing, it did, and as a result should have not been placed as a subsection until information was to be put in it; it follows the same convention as not wikilinking to non-existing articles. Unless there is a large cache of information in DOA4 that I have yet to see, I feel it is still very important to question the sources regarding the "Before DOA" and others as well. Specifically, when he puts his skills to "good use" that implies morality, which arguably is not part of an mercenary/asassin's thought process. If the "before DOA" section is as it would seem based on conjecture or inference from the game content, and not directly cited, it should be stated as such. I'm not trying to make waves here, just looking out for the nature of this article as that of an encyclopedia, in which it should remain as inobjective and informational as possible. As a result fact can be stated as fact, but speculation, conjecture, inference, estimations and soforth should all be remarked as such to maintain the credibility of the article, especially if no sources are directly referenced.--Alfador 16:56, 30 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]
  • No problem regrading the sources. Its a simple matter really- I just don't have a habbit of citing them. My mistake, but in this case, it should be quite obvious. The instruction booklets, the games themseves, CG scenes, etc. (DOAU cleared a lot of things up) I've been playing these things for years, and after learning a bit of japanese, I've come to understand thier personalities, histories, etc. (of course, you don't need jap to know the history, however). Also, I apologize for removing the leon info you referenced above, I must have overlooked it, and it is indeed a valid point in the article. On another point, the fact DOA3 (well...the series as a whole could use a better story...but...) is pretty sorry in terms of story is apparent; I definitely agree with you on that; characters like Bayman and Brad...well...thier reasons at the tournament make almost no sense). =) But, hey...I just do my research and write the articles in that respect. Hopefully DOA4 will clear things up for us. Finally, about the image problem comment you said on my page, I have no qualms about you "setting things right", however, that's old news and its been dealt with properly, please don't jump out in the middle of nowhere and resurface old comments on my userpage for no reason. Tregowelth has already made me up to speed regrading images, thanks, and your assistance (which I'm assuming was meant to help, correct?) was not needed. Thanks anyway though, and please continue to stick around and help me in my quest in making DOA articles better for wikipedia. Regards, -MegamanZero 20:04 30,November 2005 (UTC)
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