User talk:Fwgoebel

There are many personal issues in play right now that have nothing to do with Wikipedia,
and I cannot be as active for the immediate future.
I do hope to return.

Project Stub Sort

Hello,

Thank you for your stub submission. You may wish to note that it is preferable to use a stub template from Wikipedia:WikiProject Stub sorting/Stub types instead of using simply {{stub}}, if you can.

Thanks!-Ohms law 19:19, 13 November 2006 (UTC)

NY Route 17M

Hello. I'm not quite sure why the information I added to NY Route 17M was removed. Your explanation wasn't very discriptive. If you feel like that information doesn't fit the formula of a NY Route article, how else can if be mentioned? Thanks. GregaR89

Gunks

Good thought. The reason I did it that way was to keep from having to reuse the same word over and over ... one of my tricks for keeping a reader interested from my newspaper days. Perhaps I should make it clearer that it's a contraction (Ditto for the AT ... it's usually standard policy around here to put any abbreviation you expect to use in parentheses immediately following its antencedent).

Thanks for the praise. So much of my life in recent years has involved those two highways. I better write good articles on them. Daniel Case 05:38, 22 November 2006 (UTC)

Just to let you know I incorporated the changes you suggested. Daniel Case 21:22, 30 November 2006 (UTC)

They look great. On 52, I did a minor fix: Fishkill doesn't need (village) to disambiguate. Removed it, and the red link turned blue.Fwgoebel 22:08, 30 November 2006 (UTC)

Yeah, for some reason that's an exception to the usual village/town dab rule. I don't know why. Daniel Case 01:16, 1 December 2006 (UTC)

A request

Hi, if you could add {{New York State routes WikiProject}} to the talk page of any NYSR article that you create, that'd be great as it'll save me (or other editors) from having to do so at a later time. Thanks! --TMF ^{Let's Go Mets - Stats} 05:40, 27 November 2006 (UTC)

I've just completed that; took less than fifteen minutes. My user page, after all, does have the articles I've created, so they were easily linked.Fwgoebel 13:49, 27 November 2006 (UTC)

Shall I add the "mapneeded=yes" tag to those as well? They all need a map. I don't feel qualified to give them a rating.Fwgoebel 14:57, 28 November 2006 (UTC)

Sure, go ahead. --TMF ^{Let's Go Mets - Stats} 01:36, 29 November 2006 (UTC)

References in 52 article

I don't think he meant references in the route description so much as in the other parts ... history most importantly. That's where these articles are going to make it as GAs or FAs.

BTW, I will have to adopt that new version of the userbox. You can set the route number for it? Totally cool. Daniel Case 14:05, 11 December 2006 (UTC)

Yes, I saw it on another’s, so I made mine the article with which I first got started here. Fwgoebel 14:08, 11 December 2006 (UTC)

Don't let them get you down: I saw their most recent comment, and what shows up as lists (two examples) are lists only, where what you have up are expanded lists. In my opinion, each bullet item in the history has brief prose with it. So I guess the bullets need to be taken out and the whole thing worked into a paragraph. That's something I'd like to think shouldn't be a major task for you. Fwgoebel 21:55, 11 December 2006 (UTC)

From Talk:New York State Route 920D

I created a new shield from scratch for NY 920D. It now displays fine in the infobox. Also, at the same time, I uploaded the template that I use, along with a small primer on how to use it, at Image:NY-9xxx.svg. Hope that helps. --TMF ^{Let's Go Mets - Stats} 22:18, 15 December 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for getting back so quickly (hope you didn't end your WikiBreak too soon). Impressive that it was relatively easy. Now what I did was create 920J (which is signed at 29A per its old routing, article forthcoming) but, as I'm sure you'll see, it displays as Helvetica again. So the primer item "Convert the text to a path and save as a basic SVG" - again, I'm on a Mac and perhaps the fonts aren't translating correctly. InkScape, when downloading the template file, uses a font called "Bistreatm Vera Sans" and changing it to Roadgeek C is not just a process, it's a project (that may be because the application is running under OpenSource X11). I suppose getting the actual numbers in the correct font to "stick" as the images they are will be the challenge. For what it's worth, though, the template shows up in that unusual font, also-check that against the other markers. Fwgoebel 23:36, 15 December 2006 (UTC)

The reason that the shields, when uploaded, end up in a screwy font (Bitstream Vera Sana) is that Inkscape does not have the ability (yet) to embed font names into the core code of the SVG. Even if it was embedded, the Wikimedia servers would have to have the Roadgeek fonts installed for the SVGs to render right, and I don't believe the servers have that font. I use Inkscape as well for my images, so I know this problem all too well. To circumvent this, the text has to be converted to paths prior to saving the finished product by selecting the text, going to the Path menu and selecting Object to Path. This will convert the text object to a path that is completely independent of fonts. The shield should then display correctly upon uploading/viewing in a browser like Firefox 2 or IE7.

The reason that the template is displayed in the weird font is that I uploaded it using text on purpose, as it allows the end-user to easily change the numbers to the desired route, convert the text to a path, and reupload.

As for my Wikibreak, it was due to end today (as it was a mini-break for a day or so), so no worries there. Regards, TMF ^{Let's Go Mets - Stats} 23:45, 15 December 2006 (UTC)

All I needed was what menu command was how to convert it to a path, so if you take a look you'll see that it's now fixed (thank you). Given how far away un-articled touring routes are for me (SW St. Lawrence County isn't exactly next door!) reference routes will follow: That will include routes near my upbringing with which I'm familiar, plus several near where I now live. Fwgoebel 00:21, 16 December 2006 (UTC)

NYSR-NYCR Newsletter - Issue 1

The New York State and County Route WikiProjects Newsletter Issue 001 – December 2006
Intro Issue The Beatles WikiProject has been running a newsletter for some time now to great success, and, after some consideration, I've decided to launch a similar effort for the New York County Routes and New York State Routes WikiProjects. This could prove to be a very effective medium of communication between the members of the groups, and with increased communication comes the possibility of increased production. For the most part, this first issue will be a "dry run" of sorts, to work out any bugs in the system. The first serious issue with permanent sections will most likely be January's issue. Nothing as elaborate as the Wikipedia Signpost is planned, but the amount of information that will be found here will more than make up for the lack of framework.	From the Editor This is a work-in-progress and likely will be for some time. As we get settled with a format, I'll begin to make some improvements to the barebones structure and give a little more life to this page. Your feedback on the content and format of this newsletter is greatly desired. With your help, we can make the newsletter better and more informative! Don't be afraid to comment! Lastly, remember that this is your newsletter and you can be involved in the creation of the next issue (Issue 002 – January 2007). Any and all contributions are welcome. Simply let yourself be known to any of the undersigned, or just start editing! Happy holidays to everyone, regardless of how you celebrate. Contributor to this Issue TwinsMetsFan (Editor, Distributor)
DOT Beat Plans to reroute New York State Route 63 in Peoria, Covington, Wyoming County (15 miles southeast of Batavia) were unveiled on December 6. The project will eliminate a sharp curve present in the center of the hamlet, rerouting NY 63 along a new alignment to the north. Details will be finalized by Summer 2007 and construction will commence in Summer 2008. NYSDOT conducted a meeting on November 29 with Binghamton-area residents about the future conversion of New York State Route 17 to Interstate 86 from Horseheads to Binghamton. Topics of note included improvements to exit 67 (New York State Route 26, Endicott) and alternatives to exit 68, an eastbound exit only leading to Oak Street in Vestal, among which was the closure of the exit. New York State Route 23A, closed from Palenville to Haines Falls since June when record rains caused a retaining wall to collapse and give way to a mudslide, was reopened on November 22. During the time that the road was closed, numerous upgrades were made, including the replacement of culverts, upgrading of drainage systems along the road and the repair of both the collapsed wall as well as the existing retaining walls. Project News Remember to vote on next month's project featured article! Articles needing cleanup can always be found at Category:New York State articles needing work. Both state and county routes needing cleanup are fed into this category. Articles on reference routes are now being created in large numbers. As a general reminder, use {{Infobox NY Reference Route}}, link to your new article on the List of New York State Reference Routes and Parkway Routes, and, if you need a reference marker made, see TwinsMetsFan or Fwgoebel. Likewise, articles on county routes are also being made in impressive numbers. When writing these articles, be sure to abide by the guidelines on the project page, to maintain a consistent feel across all of the articles. Missing shields for county routes? See TwinsMetsFan or Northenglish. County routes in New York was recently created. Pictures of actual county route shields are greatly desired and needed. Also, if possible, some additional text and history about county routes in New York State would be welcome. New York State Route 11A remains the lowest active route without an article. The lowest decommissioned route with no article is New York State Route 7C. New York State Route 52 was, unfortunately, not qualified enough for Good Article status due to a lack of references (full report). Any references that can be added to the article, particularly the history section, are greatly appreciated. There are routes still lacking mileposts. Member News One month ago today, Fwgoebel came on board to the project and, in the time since, has contributed over 50 new articles on touring routes and has added to dozens more, including helping in the effort (along with JB82 and TwinsMetsFan) to convert all usages of Template:NYSRInt to {{NYint}}. It may be belated, but welcome!

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NYSR-NYCR Newsletter - Issue 2

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Volume 1, Issue 2	15 January 2007	About the Newsletter
Departments: Features: Project News Status of 531 extension updated Member News Plans for improvements to 104 to be unveiled From the Editor Routes 5 and 20 to receive upgrades
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Jaycees presidents

Wouldn't it make more sense to just post a list than have dozens of one-line articles with no content? It looks like you have no information beyond a name for most of them, so what's the point of a separate article? Personally, when I'm reading an article, and click on a link, and find there's basically no new information at all when I get to that page, I find it annoying. Fan-1967 06:19, 19 January 2007 (UTC)

A stub article is a start, something on which someone else can expound. In the example of the USJC Presidents, each of them has to have served as a National VP, State President, and with that very likely a host of other offices held, that can be added as information is made known. That is an essense of a wiki - "What I Know Is". Besides, when a past National President has the same name as someone else of note, even a stub article can be a source of differentiation. Thank you for your comments. Fwgoebel 06:23, 19 January 2007 (UTC)

These aren't stubs, since there is NOTHING to build on, or even the faintest hint why anyone would want to. I've put {{db-empty}} tags on them all. When you have some actual, minimal, content, bring 'em back. --Calton | Talk 14:34, 19 January 2007 (UTC)

See the discussion at Talk:United States Junior Chamber where I proposed that we create a project. The main reason for creating all of those was to illustrate that wikifying a name wasn't the creating of an article (and I hopefully showed another how a succession of office table worked). I won't protest speedy deletion. What should be done is to de-wikify the list of presidents with the exception of those who had their own articles. The issue that was at hand was that a few of them were namessakes for others. I didn't do a revert because with other things being edited and added to the main article, I didn't want to inadvertently delete valid content. Fwgoebel 15:59, 19 January 2007 (UTC)

U.S. Roads Newsletter Issue #1

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Volume 1, Issue 1	10 February 2007	About the Newsletter
Departments: Features: Project News Notability of state highways is challenged Important deletion debates Featured subproject Featured member From the editor
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O.K.

So what you're saying is that NY 28 has a concurrency with I-88, but not NY 7 or NY 23. Then if that's the case then i've better fix that on the NY 28 Route description. -- JohnnyAlbert 23:11, 15 February 2007 (UTC)

Ohh i get it, NY 28 first duplexes NY 23 then duplexes I-88 (from exit 15 to exit 17) then meets NY 7. Sorry i have a DeLorme program on my computer and it has a lot of mistakes like NY 28 having a duplex with NY 7. -- JohnnyAlbert 23:30, 15 February 2007 (UTC)\

Yeah, I mean those map things can be great if you want to determine exact mileages. But it's a drive of the roads themselves that can bring things to proper alignment. Check out [1]. I direct you there because the lowest numbered highways at [2] do not have the updated links to the routes' junction lists. Technically, a drive is "original research" but when information from that is coupled with sourced information, you're more accurate. With that, I have not originated an article unless I've driven its entire length (like I did for NY 28N, for example - see my user page, I've listed them all there). Yes, I've put a lot of miles on my car, I suppose I could add another question to the Wikipediholic Test about driving long distances just to get a picture or other info about an article. Fwgoebel 05:20, 16 February 2007 (UTC)

Here's the thing

You said that NY 28 has a concurrency with NY 7. Well according to Mapquest, NY 28 just meets NY 7 north of I-88 concurrency in Mildford. This is all very confusing but i believe mapquest, it never let me down. -- JohnnyAlbert 00:30, 16 February 2007 (UTC)

I was mentioning was that NY 28 did duplex with I-88, that's all I intended. I didn't mean to say that it duplexed with NY 7 (it doesn't, I'm gathering). My bad on that one. Fwgoebel 05:22, 16 February 2007 (UTC)

its ok

It's cool, NY 28 was my first NY state route edit os thanks for helping me clearing this out. -- JohnnyAlbert 10:50, 16 February 2007 (UTC)

NYSR-NYCR Newsletter - Issue 3

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Departments: Features: Project News Newest state route to go airborne Member News Tappan Zee study progress to be released From the Editor Route 12B to receive safety upgrades Special introduction
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Dunn Bridge photo

What would you be using to take the photo? A phone or a real camera? I can give you tips for a good bridge photo if you want them. Daniel Case 05:21, 24 February 2007 (UTC)

Real (digital) camera. The one I have is a 6 MP Hewlitt-Packard. Fwgoebel 08:39, 24 February 2007 (UTC)

Good, sounds like something we can work with.

I looked through the Flickr photostream to find any models for a good picture; as I've suggested before, none of these were really adequate to the task. We need something that takes in the whole bridge and gives it some context (I like this one that I took within walking distance of my house; I'd submit it as a featured picture candidate save for that ugly bit of litter in the foreground). You probably want to get out of your car somewhere on the Rensselaer side downriver from the bridge and look for a place where you can get the skyline in the back and keep the sun perpendicular to the subject (i.e., the light might be best in the earlier morning to give it some interesting relief and contrast, as well as allow good color). I don't know if you have any skill in editing (sounds like you don't feel you do), but if you want to just upload it raw let me know and I'll take it in to Photoshop and do what I can (which can be a lot, believe me ... this will never be a featured picture but you should have seen the original. Or compare this with its original.) —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Daniel Case (talk • contribs) 18:33, 24 February 2007 (UTC).

Wow, that bot's fast. Daniel Case 18:34, 24 February 2007 (UTC)

It'll have to wait until at least Monday due to work, but yes I'm aware of what needs to go into it. I think it needs to be photographed from the south due to sun, I'll do it from both the Albany and Rensselaer sides and see what I can get. I'd probably just do raw images but I do have some enhancements available in iPhoto (I'm on a Mac). Fwgoebel 18:39, 24 February 2007 (UTC)

I was up there Thursday and got one (actually three that I stitched together). They don't exactly make Albany or the bridge look beautiful but I had no control over the weather, obviously. Certainly if I can replace them in nicer weather, I'd do it. I also got one of the stub end from below, and the Congress Street Bridge, as well.

It's in both the Route 9 and bridge articles. Daniel Case 16:09, 17 March 2007 (UTC)

Good of you to be able to do that; I've been in a bind with my employment picture changing this whole month. Dunn is a difficult bridge to photograph to do it justice, and the effective trumpet interchange at the east end and its meshing with the stacked South Mall interchange can't really be shown in a single shot. Fwgoebel 17:44, 17 March 2007 (UTC)

U.S. Roads Newsletter Issue #2

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USRD Newsletter - Issue 3

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Active user verification

Hello, Fwgoebel. Due to the high number of inactive users at WP:USRD, we are asking that you verify that you are still an active contributor of the project. To do so, please add an asterisk (*) after your name on Wikipedia:WikiProject U.S. Roads/Newsletter/List. Users without one by the next issue in 2 weeks will be removed off the list and off the respective road projects as well. If you have any questions, please contact me on my talk page. Thanks. Rschen7754 (talk - contribs) 22:17, 10 March 2007 (UTC)

Category:Wikipedians in the Junior Chamber

You and I seem to have conflicting viewpoints on listing Category:Wikipedians in the Junior Chamber in Category:Junior Chamber International. Generally, listing a category for Wikipedians in a category for articles in unorthodox, which is why I made changes to the category structure. I still think that Category:Wikipedians in the Junior Chamber should be removed from the parent category. If you still disagree with me, would you like to ask for another opinion from an administrator? Dr. Submillimeter 16:38, 14 March 2007 (UTC)

When creating the category, I noted a recommendation to try to have two parent categories, and thus placed it as I did. The reason was to allow users that chose to do so to be viewed as members of the organization (although, so far only two have so chosen). If there was any mention that it was improper or "unorthodox" to place a category for users under one for articles, I did not notice it. However, I would defend my reasoning under the notion that organizations are by their very nature people-driven, and that it's possible for a number of members to also be contributors here (whether or not their contributions were to articles on said organization). I could not easily note a second parent category that would suit the user category, and it stood to reason to do as I did based on that. I will add though, that your edit summary was cryptic and didn't fully explain the reason for your removal. Albeit more wordy (as this reply is in kind), my reversion edit summary at least briefly explained my reasoning, which is further expounded here. However, by stating in your message here, you did explain your reasoning more clearly (and, with that, invited me to do the same). I have no problem with the removal for the reason that you state here, now that I understand it. My bigger worry was that the category itself might be eliminated for lack of two parent categories. Fwgoebel 19:00, 14 March 2007 (UTC)

I did a spot check on other categories for Wikipedians in service organizations, and it looks like these other categories only contain one parent category and do not use an article-space category as a parent category. I therefore do not think you should worry about your user category being deleted, and I am going to go ahead with removing Category:Wikipedians in the Junior Chamber in Category:Junior Chamber International. Thank you for discussing the issue with me further. Dr. Submillimeter 11:29, 15 March 2007 (UTC)

USRD Newsletter - Issue 4

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USRD Newsletter - Issue 5

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NY 747 shield

Per your comment in the archived discussion about the look of the shields, some have begun to appear on the actual road. I took a picture and put it in the article. Has that classic look. Daniel Case 16:06, 29 July 2007 (UTC)

My opinion: This is one of the "odd-looking variants" I think is becoming one of the norms for new and replacement signs in New York, where the upper arch goes higher than in the past, and there isn't as much of the true horizontal that was once used. On top of that, the angle for the downward point is steeper. Fwgoebel 17:50, 29 July 2007 (UTC)

Well, I thought you had been talking about the ones where the bubble on top really sticks up and there's very little halo on the numbers. There are a number of those around here, mainly on 17K and 207 near the ends, and at the south end of 416. It's a little different, but to me not cartoonishly so like the other ones. Daniel Case 03:05, 30 July 2007 (UTC)

An important letter

Dear roads editor,

You may have noticed some changes at WP:USRD lately. Some of them, like the cleanup templates and the stub templates, have been astounding and great. Unfortunately, others have been disturbing.

This has become evidenced by the departure of a few prominent editors at USRD, a few RFC's, and much fighting among USRD editors.

After the second RFC, many of us found the opportunity to take a step away from Wikipedia for a while--as a self-imposed wikibreak, or possibly on vacation.

The result of such introspection was that many of us were placing ourselves in a "walled garden" and on a self-imposed pedestal of authority over the roads department. Also, we were being hostile to a few users who were not agreeing with us.

In fact, IRC has been the main incarnation of this "walled garden." Decisions have been made there to conduct grudges and prejudices against a few valued USRD users with poor justification.

For this, we have come to apologize. We have come to ask your forgiveness.

In addition to this, we hope to work as one USRD team from now on and to encourage cooperation instead of the promotion of interests.

All users are welcome to collaborate on IRC, the newsletter, or anywhere else at USRD.

In the future, please feel free to approach us about any issues you may have.

Regards,

• Rschen7754 (talk - contribs)
• TMF ^{Let's Go Mets - Stats}
• master son^{T - C}
• Son^Talk
• (→O - RLY?)

Rschen7754 (talk - contribs) 17:04, 9 August 2007 (UTC)

USRD Newsletter - Issue 11

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USRD Inactivity check and news report

Hello, Fwgoebel. We had a few urgent matters to communicate to you:

1. Please update your information at Wikipedia:WikiProject U.S. Roads/Participants, our new centralized participant list. Those who have not done so by October 20th will be removed.
2. There are important discussions taking place at WT:USRD relating to whether WP:USRD, WP:HWY, or the state projects should hold the "power" in the roads projects.

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Please use the Move tab instead of cut and paste to 'rename' articles...

...as you did with Reference marker (New York) to NYSDOT Reference Marker--it causes problems with the GFDL licensing, among other things. If you have made any similar cut and paste renames, please report them to Wikipedia:Cut and paste move repair holding pen#New requests for repair. Thanks. Ravenna1961 (talk) 02:21, 26 November 2007 (UTC)

USRD Newsletter - Volume 1, Issue 17

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U.S. Roads Newsletter, Issue 1

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WikiProject Germany Invitation

Hello, Fwgoebel! I'd like to call your attention to the WikiProject Germany and the German-speaking Wikipedians' notice board. I hope their links, sub-projects and discussions are interesting and even helpful to you. If not, I hope that new ones will be. Wikipedia:WikiProject Germany | finger on pulse Wikipedia:German-speaking Wikipedians' notice board | finger on pulse

--Zeitgespenst (talk) 21:35, 23 January 2008 (UTC)

Thank you for the invitation. I am not native German-speaking, but my ancestry is predominately German, and my family name (found in my user name here) is a very common surname in Germany. At some point I will at least look into the project to see what it's about. I have yet to visit Europe, anywhere. Fwgoebel (talk) 01:14, 24 January 2008 (UTC)

SUNY Oswego

You said you reverted vandalism by me? I didn't delete the two names from the notable alumni. Check the history log, it was an IP address who edited after I made a few quality edits. Please clear this up. -Airtuna08 (talk) 17:37, 10 February 2008 (UTC)

http://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=State_University_of_New_York_at_Oswego&action=history -Airtuna08 (talk) —Preceding comment was added at 17:39, 10 February 2008 (UTC)

What I did was revert to the last version by you...sorry if my note was unclear. A typical note left when reverting vandalism is to say that it's being reverted to the last version by...and then say who that editor is. Fwgoebel (talk) 17:44, 10 February 2008 (UTC)

Gotcha, thanks for letting me know. -Airtuna08 (talk) 17:47, 10 February 2008 (UTC)

And that's a very easy thing to do. When calling up the history, all I had to do was click on the datestamp of your last entry, and then click "Edit this Page". I got a warning that I'm editing an old revision of the article, but this is a quick way to do a revert of vandalism. Fwgoebel (talk) 17:53, 10 February 2008 (UTC) Oswego '87

Oswego '06, haha -Airtuna08 (talk) 17:54, 10 February 2008 (UTC)

My class put in the fountain, and I guess your class was one of the last that got to play in it before the Campus Center displaced it. Fwgoebel (talk) 13:09, 11 February 2008 (UTC)

You're speaking of the fountain near Funelle right? Yeah it was there until Fall 05 I believe. One of the last things to go when they redirected the roads near Snygg and Poucher into the Campus Center. -Airtuna08 (talk) 07:08, 12 February 2008 (UTC)

And being a broadcasting student there and a giant sports fan, I was very much subjected to the love fest between Oswego and your fellow classmate of 1987, Steve Levy. That new hockey arena has his name written everywhere! -Airtuna08 (talk) 07:13, 12 February 2008 (UTC)

I'm not at all surprised that he was involved but I thought more so at just the dedication/opening, not much more than that. I actually knew him; we were a floor apart our junior year (when I transferred there) and we even had one class together, what are the odds of that? I have more to share with you on Oswego, but I don't want this talk space to get into that especially if we start to talk about people here since this is not private. At your option, you can click "E-mail this user" to the left (or here to send me a private e-mail (it will give me your e-mail address, which you haven't made available to Wikipedia via your user page) as I have more to ask. Fwgoebel (talk) 13:01, 13 February 2008 (UTC)

USRD Newsletter - Issue 2

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USRD Newsletter - Issue 3

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NYSR Newsletter - Volume 2, Issue 1

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NY 28N pic

Sweet addition man. You wouldn't happen to have Warren County pics do ya? I'm working on a FT for the roads in Warren County. Thanks again!^Mitch32^contribs 23:13, 4 May 2008 (UTC)

Thanks...I'd been wanting to upload that and the other one for over a year. I took them when I drove 28N before creating the article, and now it's GA, even before those images went up. What's a FT?.Fwgoebel (talk) 23:22, 4 May 2008 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Featured topics. ^Mitch32^contribs 23:26, 4 May 2008 (UTC)

I see what you're doing with Warren County and I wish I could do the same for Fulton (my youth home) or for anything near me. It's nice to see a photo appear in more than one article, naturally. The drawback is that it's an Essex County image (cf. the reference markers). Fwgoebel (talk) 02:36, 17 May 2008 (UTC)

I needed the pic, for 1) 28N and 2) the Roosevelt-Marcy sign. Thanks still.^Mitch32^contribs 16:12, 17 May 2008 (UTC)

USRD Newsletter, Issue 4

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NYSR participants list

As discussed at WT:USRD, the participants list at WP:USRD is being split by state. Since your name has multiple states listed next to it, the designation "NY" has been removed from the large USRD-wide table, and your name has been added to the NY-specific table. This is part of the lengthy process. If this is in error, please let me know immediately. Regards, Rschen7754 (T C) 04:51, 18 May 2008 (UTC)

Expansion needed

Is it possible you can help get NY 8, 10, 28N, and 30 to FA status? These would help for a Hamilton County, NY roads topic for NYSR. It would be really enjoyable to see the least populated county get a FT of its own.Mitch32^(UP) 14:52, 29 June 2008 (UTC)

I'll have to pick a day and go out and do photos, as I know they all need 'em, as does my "pet" 30A. I don't have quite the free time I once did, but I'm a bit more active than TMF (I do miss him being around, honestly). I'll see what I can do. Besides photos though, you'd help me by suggesting what else I'd be able to do, including copyediting. Fwgoebel (talk) 14:56, 29 June 2008 (UTC)

Just general expansion of the history for each should do, explaining the turnpikes that once made up the highways. Copyediting and preparing for FAC would also be good. Btw, 30 already has turnpikes started.Mitch32^(UP) 14:58, 29 June 2008 (UTC)

Today I did a lot of driving and did quite a bit of photography. NY 10's article has a bunch of them; I won't upload them all tonight. I did crop all but one to make them less "tall" to better fit the article, anyway. Feel free to tweak that article or whatever else you might think could help - or reduce what you think is overkill. Fwgoebel (talk) 03:00, 6 July 2008 (UTC)

Essex County

Essex County is in desperate need of pics. Of all the roads in that area, only NY 28N has a road pic related. The highways that could use one of your best: NY 3, NY 22, NY 73, NY 74, NY 86, NY 373, NY 431 and NY 9N need Essex pics. Thanks if you can do it.Mitch32^(UP) 14:19, 12 July 2008 (UTC)

I may have some older pics from a road trip from years ago but I don't recall if any of them show the route number in the photo itself (is that critical to identify the photo/scene with the highway?). It wasn't limited to Essex County. I may be able to do a one-day road trip to see what I can get but I won't have the time to do that until well into August as things now stand for me. Thanks though, for thinking of my ability to do that and I'll do what I can, when I can. Fwgoebel (talk) 04:43, 13 July 2008 (UTC)

USRD Newsletter, Issue 5

Apologies for the late delivery; here is the June edition of the newsletter.

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Coumbia County pics?

Since you're so good with pics, I need some from Columbia County, which is near where you live. I need the following routes:

• New York State Route 217
• New York State Route 295
• New York State Route 203
• New York State Route 344
• New York State Route 71
• New York State Route 22
• New York State Route 398 (now Columbia CR 26A)
• New York State Route 401 (now Columbia CR 20)
• New York State Route 23
• New York State Route 23B
• New York State Route 9H
• New York State Route 9J
• New York State Route 66

It would be quite a work, but I feel that these are necessary. If you can get them, thanks!Mitch32^(UP) 14:39, 9 August 2008 (UTC)

I actually spent a few hours yesterday and got a shot of most of what you asked for; I need to do two things. One of them is to archive this talk page, and number two is to upload the photos. The only one I think I missed entirely was (former?) route 401. I did also get Route 82, anyway, which wasn't on your list but is very much in Columbia County. Bear with me as I take care of these things as I'm getting close to the start of bowling season and I'll have even less free time. Fwgoebel (talk) 03:50, 11 August 2008 (UTC)

This weekend, I'll do some uploading of what I grabbed on that trip to various articles, so take a look at what shows up. I'll have a little time. Fwgoebel (talk) 11:01, 15 October 2008 (UTC)

I'm sorry about not replying, but thanks. Also, on your comment on my talk, yeah 28N needs non-copyvio pics.Mitch32^(UP) 16:05, 26 October 2008 (UTC)

Welcome back. Any luck with the pics? I have been waiting to see them :).Mitch32^{(Go Syracuse)} 15:35, 26 December 2008 (UTC)

I still have them in my camera; I accidentally deleted the one I had of NY 217 within the Philmont village. I have precious little free time now so that's why you don't see me on much now, but I will at least do two articles that our NYSR needs - 339 a restoration, and 288 which I don't know ever existed. They had been removed and re-re-re-redirected because both routes are both completely under the name of a county highway, but neither of those are noteworthy though, I'm supposing, to be articles on their own merit. I'll see what I can do. Fwgoebel (talk) 15:40, 26 December 2008 (UTC)

Yeah, 288 existed, I posted everything up that is missing articles.Mitch32^{(Go Syracuse)} 15:43, 26 December 2008 (UTC)

USRD Newsletter, Issue 6 (FINAL ISSUE)

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WP:NYSR inactivity check

Hello, Fwgoebel. You are receiving this message because you are listed on the participant list of WP:NYSR. I am conducting an inactivity check on behalf of the project to see if the project still has an active editor base. The status column on the participant list will be cleared today, and to remain a listed member of the project, you must update your status on the participant list (preferably using the terms "Active", "Semi-active", or "Inactive") which is located here. Those who do not update their status after one week (by the night of June 25) and those who put inactive as their status will be removed from the list. If you have any questions, please leave a message on my talk page or at the "A smorgasbord of topics" section on WT:NYSR. Thank you for your understanding and your time. – TMF 12:29, 18 June 2009 (UTC)

I'm using the term "inactive" given that I've done very few isolated edits here and there. I haven't completely dropped off the map, but I don't have the free time for this that I once did. Fwgoebel (talk) 02:24, 19 June 2009 (UTC)