Talk:Equation of state
Hi How can I find Boils tempurates according to Radling - Coene equation
Hello, I was looking for the binary interaction parameters of Hydrogen and Helium for a mixture density calculation for the peng robinson E.O.S. Does any one know it or know where to find this number required for the mixing rule of the Peng? Adam R. Baxter email me at: baxter.56@osu.edu Thanks
OK, so I take the subscript "c" to refer to the critical properties which I take to be the value of those properties at the critical point (ie, the set of conditions in which solid, liquid, and gas are in equilibrium.)
So, I recognize Tc and Pc as the criticial temperature and pressure, respectively. Fine, so far.
But what is Vc? Volume, I would guess, but T and P are intrinsic properties of the system, whereas volume is extensive, ie, it depends on "how much" material there is. Is Vc defined in relation to one mole of a given substance?
--JoeAnderson (never did well in p-chem)
Actually, the point at which the solid, liquid, and gas are in equilibrium is called the triple point. The critical temperature is that temperature above which unique liquid and gas phases do not exist. As you approach the critical point, the properties of the gas and liquid phase become the same, so above the critical temperature there is only one phase. The critical pressure refers to the vapor pressure at the critical temperature. Vc is the critical molar volume (ie. the volume of one mole) and as such is more like a density (or 1/density) than an actual volume. Note that in all of the listed equations of state, V is defined as the molar volume. This is why PV = RT, instead of PV = nRT.
--Matt Stoker
In order to be more complete, we really should add mixing rules for each equation of state (ie. rules for determining the correct parameters for a mixture). In order to add these we need a summation sign. For example for the Soave Equation, the rules are:
aα = ∑ ∑ yiyj(aα)ij
If anyone knows how to do the summation signs, let me know and I'll updata the page accordingly.
--Matt Stoker
You're forgetting the semicolons on your HTML entity references. Also, I'm sure that "aα" is not what you mean to write here. See Wiki special characters. --LDC
Thanks, Matt! Your discussion above of triple point, critical temperature, critical molar volume, etc. makes it all much more clear, I think. I'd like to see that worked into the main page--if you'd like to do it, that would be fine. I'll wait a while to give you a chance at it, or will go ahead and do it at some later point. --dja
LDC, thanks for the information. As for "aα", it is supposed to be "a" multiplied by the greek letter "alpha". How would you recommend it be specified?
-- Matt Stoker
Hello, this page had a lot of garbage characters introduced into it somehow (periods became copyright symbols; parentheses became yen). I just pasted in an earlier version of this page from Equations of State (2 caps). I've looked it over and it seems to be ok; please double-check (I'm not a scientist).
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Hi guys
How do I modify the page to add a new equation of state? I don't understand the editing system well enough to add a new item to the list.
cheers
Robinh 20:41, 10 Dec 2003 (UTC)
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I think this article should merely refer to the various articles describing the different equations of state: Ideal gas law, Van der Waals equation and so on, instead of repeating them. Bo Jacoby 11:35, 13 October 2005 (UTC)
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I totally agree, why repeat what is already there. This page should be used to describe when and how the equations are used with respect to each other. Do you have any thoughts to what the specific layout should be for the new page? Thales