Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/D-Bag Football

D-Bag Football

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Unverifiable article on a non-notable intramural football team, probably vanity; delete AJR | Talk 23:53, 4 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Memorializing an HLS tradition->not vanity. Keep. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 140.247.243.50 (talk • contribs)
This team has been a fairly notorious bunch at Harvard Law School the last three years. Arguably more people know about them on campus than some of the more famous professors. Keep. 140.247.42.198 01:28, 5 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]
Intramural football at Harvard Law School is a central part of the school social scene. Keep user: baltodomer — Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.96.191.185 (talk • contribs)
Delete - even ignoring the references, its a university football team. Zordrac (talk) Wishy Washy Darwikinian Eventualist 00:20, 5 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

"An article should not be dismissed as "vanity" simply because the subject is not famous. There is currently no consensus about what degree of recognition is required to justify a unique article being created in Wikipedia (although consensus exists regarding particular kinds of article, for instance see WP:MUSIC). Lack of fame is not the same as vanity.

Furthermore, an article is not "vanity" simply because it was written by its subject. Articles about existing books, movies, games, and businesses are not "vanity" so long as the content is kept to salient material and not overtly promotional"

--"Wikipedia: Vanity Guidelines"

Commentary = D-Bag football represents a sliver of the student-life and athleticism at Harvard Law School. Though not impressive in a singular capacity, this article educates the reader about a long-running tradition at Harvard Law School while dispelling some of the dated or untrue rumors/public perceptions plaguing this institution. Deletion of this article opposes the very essence of Wikipedia and the intrinsic value of user-edited information that taps the "long-tail" of human knowledge. KEEP — Preceding unsigned comment added by 140.247.205.92 (talk • contribs)
KEEP. Captures the essence of the Ivy League law school athletic experience. Intramural athletics are a long tradition at Harvard. Remember..."The Battle of Waterloo was won on the playing fields of Eton." - Arthur Wellesley, Duke of Wellington. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.96.191.185 (talk • contribs)
D-bag football has attained near legendary status at the Harvard Law School. Wikipedia should keep this article so that their memory may live on. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.31.47.250 (talk • contribs)
I don't see any reason to delete this. To delete this would be demoralizing to not only the rich in tradition D-Bag football team, but also a blemish on this otherwise great site. Furthermore the D-Bag football team represents the pedestal that we all hope to one day stand upon. "Keep". 128.255.184.191 01:46, 5 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. An intramural athletic team is entirely unnotable. NatusRoma 02:00, 5 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

An intramural athletic team is notable when they represent the underlying values of athletic competition at elite educational institutions. Harvard Law intramural football is the largest student activity at the largest law school in the world, with nearly 1/7 of the entire student body participating. KEEP.

HERE IS VERIFIABLE EVIDENCE, SEE THESE LINKS PROVIDED: The D-Bags are very similar to the University of Texas Law School Legal Eagles, a intramural football that the Univ. of Texas finds appropriate to list in its rare library collections: [1]. Playing intramural football has also been noted in applications for Kaufman Fellowships at Harvard Law School. See James Walsh at [2]. Law firm partners list intramural football on their website bios: see Joel K. Goldman, HLS '90 at Greenberg Taurig: [3]. Legal giant Charles Alan Wright was a dedicated intramural football coach. See: [4]

KEEP.

The UT intramural football team is in the archives of that schools library because it has continuously existed for 50 years. The Harvard team has existed for three. Moreover, just because something is in that library does not mean that it should be in this encyclopedia.
Unless Harvard Law has really gone downhill, Kaufman fellowships are given out for on the basis of legal ability, and activities such as intramural football are only minor details.
Joel Goldman is only one man, especially in a sea as big as G-T. The fact that his team was important to him does not mean that we should have an article about it, and it certainly does not follow from Goldman's biography that a page on this team merits inclusion.
None of the reasons that Charles Alan Wright is actually notable have anything to do with law school intramural football, and we don't have any articles on the intramural teams that he coached (nor should we). NatusRoma 02:29, 5 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

To an outside observer, law school intramural football may appear to be trivial if someone has never experienced the comraderie of athletic competition in an intense and grueling academic setting. This misunderstanding on the parts of certain individuals is not the problem of the intramural participant nor the Wikipedia. Intramural football is it is, and has been for decades, an axis of student social scenes not just at Harvard Law but colleges, universities and graduate schools across America and the UK. Surely teams who embody the entire spirit of the great intramural tradition are notable, much like the 1985 Chicago Bears are notable for embodying a football attitude all its own. In addition, the fact that the a team has been around for only three years is not a sufficient condition for being non-notable. The Florida Marlins have two World Series titles, despite only being a team for 15 years. Are they less notable than the Houston Astros, who have no titles but have been a team for 40? Baltodomer 02:41, 5 December 2005 (UTC)baltodomer[reply]

Question. Are Harvard Law people so full of themselves even when they are still students or have recently graduated that they think every time they get together to play flag football the world should sit up and pay notice? Sheesh. Herostratus 02:49, 5 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

It's not that they want the whole world to notice. Only those that might happen to type "D-bag football" into Wikipedia.