Talk:Choke at Doak

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noteworthy?

This game definitely belongs in the "memorable games" section of the Florida – Florida State rivalry article, but is it worthy of its own separate entry? There were no national title implications, no national records set, nothing to make it memorable outside of the fan bases of the schools involved.

A couple seasons ago, there was a huge debate over the notability of the Appalachian State upset of Michigan, with many wikipedians arguing that even that game was not worthy of its own entry. (See here.) If there's an argument about an unquestionably historic contest like that, I don't see how the 94 UF/FSU game could meet the standards for inclusion.

(And before anybody accuses me of being a Gator homer, let me point out that I'd be making the same arguments re: every other meeting in this series (no matter who won) besides the 1996/7 Sugar Bowl, which was a national championship game.) Zeng8r (talk) 22:54, 13 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Yeah, there were national championship implications to the game. Had Florida State won, they would have had a shot at grabbing Miami's Orange Bowl berth and playing #1/#2 Nebraska for a possible piece of the pie. Florida may have also, as they were 4th heading into the game and the Bowl Coalition had a provision to release the SEC Champion from the traditional SEC berth if it would create a "title game" (a win over FSU and in the SEC CG may have allowed them to leapfrog Miami to #3). Regardless, even if the Orange Bowl still opted to invite Miami over the UF-FSU winner, the winner (had there been one) would have still been in line to claim a share of the national championship if Penn State and Nebraska both lost (though Florida would have been in a stronger position to share a title in light of FSU's head-to-head loss to Miami).

Secondly, the analogy to the debate over the Michigan-Appalachian State article is seriously flawed for a variety of reasons, not the least of which is that (1) it involved a game that was contemporaneous with the article's creation (notability is significantly more difficult to assess and more contestable the more current the event is) and (2) the AfD was ultimately defeated anyway.

Third, the game involved the biggest fourth quarter comeback in NCAA I-A history, which itself makes it "unquestionably historic" (see: The Comeback).

Finally, the game is referenced and given prominent treatment by a number of online news articles (even though it predated the Internet Era by years), books, and video games, is frequently replayed on both ESPN Classic and Sun Sports as a "classic." and is an enduring and important part of college football lore, generally, and UF-FSU lore, specifically. There's no real notability issue here.-PassionoftheDamon (talk) 00:34, 14 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]