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Living With Fibromyalgia

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WP:NF no RS for this film, only reference is dead link and i can not find any independent sources. I think it is advertisement for a film selling on Amazon but it is not reviewed in any RS. RetroS1mone talk 04:11, 14 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

* Delete Fails WP:NF. Blogs aren't reliable sources and you can find mention of anything somewhere in a blog. BigDunc 20:14, 14 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

  • STRONG Keep Award-winning docmentary film, and first feature-length of its kind, with sourcing available that are not blogs. And of all the minutae (sorry) that quite often finds its way into these pages through the "notability" of headline and hype, this article truly serves to improve the project and inform readers about a notable subject that impinges on many lives. Not to spout WP:WAX, but an encyclopedia that has articles on consumer fast foods should gladly encourage inclusion of such encyclopedic articles that serve the world community as a whole. MichaelQSchmidt (talk) 02:19, 15 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep: It as an award winner. Passes WP:NF. Iowateen (talk) 14:03, 15 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep Checked out the award it has won it appears very few of the films that win at this awards have articles nevertheless change my vote. BigDunc 14:37, 15 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
comment, that is probaly BC the Houston International Film Festival has ~ 200 award categories, it gave 872 awards in 2008, top to bottom Grand Award, Special Jury Award, Platinum Remi, Gold Remi, Silver Remi, Bronze Remi. 2008, it was 9 Grand Awards, top prize, 67 Special Jury Awards, and 199 Platinum Remis. There are 3 Documentary categories and 7 documentaries got Special Jury award and 7 got platinum Remis. This film was one from 3 films that got a platinum Remi in it's documentary catagory, after two that got Special Jury Award. So this film, at one independent film festival was in the top 14 documentaries and top 275 awards. RetroS1mone talk 02:49, 16 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete "as one of 23 documentaries to receive awards at the festival." & a minor festival at that. Retrosimone is rightthat this is not a significant award, and there are no other indicationjs of notability.DGG (talk) 04:51, 16 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
    • With over 4500 entries in multiple catagories. Award-winning documentaries accounted for only .05% of the total and Plantinum Remi (1st place) winning documentaries accounted for only .01% of the total. Must have been something special about them. the WorldFest-Houston International Film Festival is a notable festival that has been around since 1961 and now gearing up for its 43rd such event. Wikipedia does not mandate that a film festival be popularity-driven like the Grammy's or Oscars in order to be notable. This festival's notability is found by multiple in-depth significant coverage in reliable sources for over 3 decades. With respects, since WP:NF specifically states "standards have not yet been established to define a major award", I am happy to not infer something guideline does not mandate and so can accept that this honor by that festival is indicative of the film's notability and the value of the article in improving Wikipedia and informing readers. MichaelQSchmidt (talk) 08:35, 16 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
    • It was ~ 125 feature films and shorts screening at 2008 festival, 4500 was total all applications, films, TV shows, commercials, music videos, how to videos, student videos, some got selecting for screening at festival. Platinum Remi is top award in catagory, festival has higher awards Grand Prize and Special Jury Award, there was 76 from them in 2008. It was 200 catagories at festival, some get more then one Platinum. Also when every 125 film or short was documentary, 14 documentaries got Platinum or higher, above 10% of films, but many film or short kinds at festival. When 23 documentaries get awards from 125 films, is there a documentary did NOT get an award, i am wondering?? Awards dilute so much, it does not mean any thing, my opinion, for "secondary" award criteria, wp:nf, when there is not rs for film. RetroS1mone talk 12:39, 16 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
      • Yes, though only 125 were screened, far, far more won awards... over 800 on the official list for all awards and categories. It certainly would have been impossible to screen all the several thousands that were up for consideration. That the sheer number of submissions under consideration was so huge actually underscores both the peer notability of the festival and the individual notability of those who won out over such a tremendous competition, as only 1% of the many submissions under consideration actually won an award of any sort. The tremendous number of submissions certainly explains the number of awards... which again, only represent 1% of total submissions. It is laudable that the filmmakers are more concerned with spreading the word of the condition and helping others cope, rather than seeking headlines and press. Encyclopdedic content is not supposed to be based entirely on popularity and press hype. Would the film had gotten more popular media press had it been produced by Sony Pictures, rather than by an independent filmmaker? Certainly... but then it would not have been in a competition notable to thousands of independent filmmakers. Should its having been created by an independent count as an automatic stike against it? Ideally, no. But not having a media agent acts to its perceived disadvantage.
      • The article is encyclopedic, sourced, informative, and aids the reader in an understanding of the subject. As WP:N itself begins with "Articles should verify that they are notable, or "worthy of notice". It is important to note that topic notability on Wikipedia is not necessarily dependent on things like fame, importance, or the popularity of a topic—although those may contribute", this discussion underscores a certain weakness in WP:NF, as similar discussions inevitably pare down to addressing the media coverage given by fame, importance, or popularity. It also underscores the importance of all guidelines being "best used with common sense and the occasional exception". Though the WP:Verified subject might be weak in meeting the WP:GNG, the topic itself is notable to the millions suffering from this ailment and to their families. This is a case where allowing the article to remain and be improved over time serves to improve the project. MichaelQSchmidt (talk) 20:54, 16 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep The article is well sourced. It is clearly a notable documentary. Its the first feature-length film that explores the chronic pain condition known as fibromyalgia. Dream Focus 23:32, 16 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
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