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VOTE!! - HDI in Infobox#Countries|country infobox/template?

The Human Development Index (HDI) is a standard UN measure/rank of how developed a country is or is not. It is a composite index based on GDP per capita (PPP), literacy, life expectancy, and school enrollment. However, as it is a composite index/rank, some may challenge its usefulness or applicability as information.

Thus, the following question is put to a vote:

Should any, some, or all of the following be included in the Wikipedia Infobox#Countries|country infobox/template:

(1) Human Development Index (HDI) for applicable countries, with year;

(2) Rank of country’s HDI;

(3) Category of country’s HDI (high, medium, or low)?

YES / NO / UNDECIDED/ABSTAIN - vote here

Thanks!

E Pluribus Anthony 01:52, 20 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Male female age expectancies

The CIA Factbook also includes male and female life expecantcies - this would be interesting to include here.Yzerfontein 16:28, 29 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I added all of the 2007 data, including the male and female numbers, and I omitted the redundant year column, as all of this year's figures are from 2007. Formatting improvements would be appreciated. Caeculus 07:47, 8 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Well, Cia factbook got other numbers than this column, have they recently changed it? RGDS Alexmcfire —Preceding unsigned comment added by 62.20.130.17 (talk) 07:51, 21 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Life Expectancy by United Nations

The United Nations also calculated life expectancy for different countries. The rank and result of UN is slightly differ from CIA The World Factbook. For examples, Japan and Hong Kong is considering the world highest life expectancy ranked by United Nations. But in CIA World Fact Book, Japan is only ranked #7 and Hong Kong ranked #6.

So I am considering whether we should add United Nation figures to the table. Joe3600 12:29, 26 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Ref. Links:

United Nations Human Development Index - International Life expectancy comparison.

I don't necessarily think there's any harm in adding an external link to the study, though its life expectancy estimates are old (2004), and it excludes a number of smaller entities such as Andorra, Macau, and San Marino. That's why Japan and Hong Kong appear to be "ranked" higher. Maintaining consistency and using estimates from the Factbook exclusively is probably our best option. Caeculus 07:33, 11 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I agree. The data from the CIA world factbook seems more complete and up to date. --Lobizón 19:01, 16 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

The CIA world factbook is not up-to-date. Countries hardly ever change from year-to-year. For example, Australian male life expectancy is now 78.7, CIA is 77.8 while UN is 78.9. If you look at the CIA's history of life expectancy at http://www.indexmundi.com/switzerland/life_expectancy_at_birth.html, you can see this problem. It would be better to have the UN figures above the CIA fact book, but even better would be to incorporate results from www.mortality.org, which is a scholarly collection of these stats that are much more up-to-date then CIA. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 121.127.211.46 (talk) 09:04, 17 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Kaushnik?

Seem like vandalism or what is Kaushnik. RGDS Alexmcfire

what?

this seem compeletely different from the CIA ? how can oman's fly a high jump to 75 years? and how did saudi arabia's get so low to 72 years, dont beleive this! get the cia world factbook on again please. 81.132.142.209 12:19, 21 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

The CIA Fact Book methodology is unclear and its figures differ from those of European census authorities making its numbers dubious. I'll get the census authority nu,bers for Oman and Saudi Arabia and post it here later (if they're available online). --Polaron | Talk 13:34, 21 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

oman

72.5 (1999) [1]
74.2 (2005?) [2]
75.6 (UN estimate for 2010)
74.2 (UN estimate for 2005)
74 (2006 estimate by Population Reference Bureau) [3]
Time series life expectancy (official): [4]
Compare to CIA estimate of 73.6 for 2007

saudi arabia

71 (2000) [5]
71.9 (2003) [6]
71.6 (UN estimate for 2005)
72.8 (UN estimate for 2010)
72 (2006 estimate by Population Reference Bureau] [7]
Compare to CIA estimate of 75.9 for 2007

Wrong

Why do many people source CIA World Factbook if it's unclear? It's more accurate and shows 2007 estimates. People find the previous list more useful and more accurate, so what's the point changing it? we'll have a vote then ok?

How do you know it's more accurate? How about we compare the CIA, UN, and national census authority figures for the less developed countries and see which agree with each other? --Polaron | Talk 13:42, 23 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Who want's CIA List?

Who wants the UN List? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 86.133.207.121 (talk) 12:02, August 23, 2007 (UTC)

ok ok

But Polaron, what I think is, you should have just left the CIA list, there was no mistakes or it wasn't harmful to anything, it was just a list by CIA! you should have just left it. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 217.44.152.52 (talk) 19:00, August 28, 2007 (UTC)

Map should be updated since it doesn't reflect the figures appearing in the article

Eliko 19:28, 10 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

UN

Let's add these estimates for 2010 which they are really for. Thank You Muzammil01 18:08, 22 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

If all you're concerned about is the year, we can put in both the 2005 and 2010 figures so people can see how the value is changing. Or, if you only want one figure, we can put in the UN figure for 2007. The CIA figures can have huge discrepancies with census authority figures in many less developed countries. It's not even clear what life table the CIA uses to get its figures. --Polaron | Talk 19:42, 22 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Hello

I don't know and I don't understand, why would the estimates of the UN be so low for Saudi and so high in CIA. The United Arab Emirates is ranked so high in many of the UN ests, and lower in the CIA, that's one thing i don't understand. Also Oman, is ranked lower than Saudi by many things, such as infant mortality, from the CIA, but ranks better in the UN. What's more developed, OMAN OR SAUDI ARABIA? the infant mortality rate for Saudi, by the CIA est is 12.41 (per 1000) but the UN estimates say 18.8 (per 1000). And Oman is 18 (per 1000) by the CIA and 12 (per 1000) by the UN, is there some opposite stuff going on here on what?

There is a new HDI list coming soon, do you think Saudi Arabia's HDI is going to go higher than 0.777 (which is for 2004) or lower than 0.777, compared to it's rankings. Saudi Arabia seems to me it remains quite poor to the UN and quite more richer to the CIA World Factbook. I do believe you in a way Polaron, but what if Saudi Arabia's Life expectancy is 75.9 and not 72.8. The UN have calculated life expectancies for 2050, how can you measure them until 2050 (it is quite hard though), what if there is a huge change in a some country, and it's life expectancy has rised quite high, Then how would the UN count that in. You can't just estimate life expectancies for the next 43 years. That's why I like the CIA, it has a new list for every year coming, not like the UN who calculate life expectancies for the next couple of decades. You just can't do that!!!.

Thank You.

Muzammil01 21:49, 22 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Life expectancies are not measured. How do you directly measure the life expectancy a newborn? I don't think there is a test that can tell you that. Life expectancied are calculated from age- and sex-specific number of deaths for a given period of time. These values are then turned into a model life table and you get life expectancies at different ages and the change in these values per year. If you read through the analytical report of the World Population Prospects, it is stated that for Saudi Arabia, the model life table used is the Coale-Demeny west model, which is a generic model derived from the more developed countries (mostly Western Europe). The CIA, on the other hand, seems to be using a linear projection, at least for population figures, which is not necessarily correct. I have not yet checked its numbers for life expectancy. At a minimum, we have no idea how the CIA calculates life expectancies since they do not publish their methodology. Life expectancy is also not directly related to how rich or poor a country is. A high HDI with a low life expectancy is possible if a country has a high GDP per capita for example. --Polaron | Talk 22:20, 22 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Also, just adding that the UN recalculates all its figures every year so any new information is included. So the 2005-2010 numbers published next year may be different from this year's estimate if new demographic data that is included in the calculations. --Polaron | Talk 22:28, 22 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

OK

Ok fine I might have meant CALCULATED I'm sorry for using the wrong word. But even the Population Reference Bureau (PRB) say Saudi Arabia's life expectancy is 75, so it's two against one my friend.

Thanks Muzammil01 11:54, 23 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Is it only Saudi Arabia you care about? Have you compared the figures for all the other countries, especially the developing countries. Even the CIA figures are a bit off for some EU countries. The UN list is generally better for demographic figures. If you wish, you can put a footnote beside the Saudi Arabia entry indicating the CIA figure. --Polaron | Talk 12:15, 23 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Hello

We have had this debate before, let's stop now. Thanks. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Muzammil01 (talk • contribs) 11:10, 24 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Hello

Well in a way Polaron I do care about Saudi Arabia, but I shouldn't only care of about Saudi, I should care about others too, well I was born in Saudi Arabia but I now live in the United Arab Emirates. I was born in Riyadh (Capital of Saudi) and now I live in Abu Dhabi (Capital of the UAE and the richest city in the world.) lol.

What about you Polaron where do you live?

Muzammil01 17:46, 28 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Andorra?

As estimated in 2007, Andora now holds the highest life expectancy in the world. Should this be changed? 69.37.97.64 15:20, 11 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

It does seem rather odd that a sovereign country, member of the United Nations, which ranks highest in the world for life expectancy [8], should strangely be excluded from a list of countries by life expectancy. I can think of no reason whatsoever not to include Andorra. Aridd (talk) 21:03, 8 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

This particular UN list excludes small countries where the life expectancy is strongly affected by migration rates and is no longer a measure of quality of life. The exceptionally high life expectancy in Andorra is due mainly to the fact that many residents of Andorra return to their original country when they grow old and a significant number of residents die outside Andorra. This results in an anomalously low death rate and high life expectancy. We could possibly include it and a few other small countries that were specifically excluded because of this reason as long as we clarify these entries with a note of indicating that the numbers are not necessarily comparable to other countries. --Polaron | Talk 22:43, 8 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Well, yeah! It should be changed! Ulysses S Grant (talk) 22:49, 29 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Map

Is it just my computer or is the colour for less than 45 almost exactly the same as the colour for 80+ on the map? 68.145.199.164 (talk) 05:53, 3 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

It's you. If you look at the hex values, the over 80 one (#002100) is a dark green while the under 45 (#210000) is a very dark brown. Maybe they should be changed. —Vanderdecken∴ ∫ξ φ 12:11, 3 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Anyway, these two colors can barely be distinguished and should consequently be changed. Eliko (talk) 17:24, 3 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Age Difference?

Can a male/female life expectancy 'age difference' column be added? Icarusii (talk) 22:54, 14 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

UN list

I've just edited the UN list in a similar way the CIA list is presented. If u have any comments / suggestions about the changes, please let me know. What is the original source of the list? Panos84

Cia new list updated

The CIA now have the 2008 list of countries by life expectancy. When will the UN update a new list for 2007?

Thanks

☆ Muzammil, مزمل ☆ (talk) 07:28, 1 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Flag of Saint-Pierre and Miquelon

The local flag seems to be different from what is shown on the list. Should this be adapted ? Lars 09:50, 10 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Am I missing something?

The list of countries doesn't give a UN member state rank for the UK. I was wondering if that was an omission or if maybe I missed some major development recently? Mcrabb23 (talk) 07:04, 6 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

life expectancies at some later age?

The rankings in this table, being life expectancy from birth, are to a large degree a measure of infant mortality rates. It would be useful if there were sources on how countries vary when it comes to life expectancy from some later age, like at age 5, or at age 15. --Delirium (talk) 20:23, 29 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Spain, Norway and Israel

Isn't it a bit strange that these three countries have exactly the same values for the male (76.46), female (83.32) and total (79.78) life expectancy (according to the CIA World Factbook)?

Looks like someone copied the same line three times. 85.52.162.4 (talk) 02:18, 1 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

New Discussion

A discussion has been started at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Countries/Lists of countries which could affect the inclusion criteria and title of this and other lists of countries. Editors are invited to participate. Pfainuk talk 11:16, 17 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

UN figures

Where are the male & female UN figures coming from? They aren't in here. They also don't seem to match WTO data for 2006. For Russia WTO data states, males: 60.1 females: 73.2. Sotnik (talk) 04:25, 7 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

CIA 2009

The 2009 factbook is now out - how is the update done. Does someone have to type in the individual figures - or is there a nifty script somewhere