Talk:Sino-Indian War

Citations

There are a lot of problems with this article. I may try to do a bit of tidying, but for a start you guys have to stop using an overall citation for articles and books to refer to lots of paragraphs. You must use specific page and paragraph references, otherwise it becomes extremely hard for anyone to verify the citation. User:John Smith's (talk) 21:31, 19 June 2009 (UTC)

The Indians should be ashamed of themselves

Having dealt with a bloody nose in an aggression war, they now infest this page with whining stuff without any basis. The PLA only used three regiments in the war. In one battle, three Chinese fought 150 Indians, and killed general Singh. PLA treated the Indian POWs very well. But now they are showing a lot of disrespect to the victor who spared their lives.

Next war, China won't be so merciful, especially considering India's aggressions against Sikkim and other countries.

— Preceding unsigned comment added by AMJORG (talk • contribs) 21:05, 26 June 2009 (UTC)

Please lets not start on being biased. There's a lot of biased at the 1st few post at the top. Lets not worsen it and start to find hard facts. I'm currently doing a project now and came across CIA Declassified files that may help in justifying these biases. They are

Historical Sketch of the Sino-India Dispute The Sino-India Conflict: Outlook and Implications (SNIE 13/31-2-62 and Short Term Outlook and Implications for the Sino-India Conflict (SINE 13/31-62)

If the link dosen't work see this CIA Declassified Documents Search Result on Sino-India War

Thanks and hope this helps!

Ben1941 (talk) 12:06, 3 July 2009 (UTC)

I am well and truly amazed at the anti-Indian vitriol being spouted by the Chinese all across the Internet - wikipedia, youtube, Washington Post! You guys really need to calm down and stick to the article in question instead of engaging in oneupmanship. TheBlueKnight (talk) 11:50, 6 July 2009 (UTC)

[BlueKnight], what I observe is totally opposite. Indians(I mean South Asian origin, not North America natives) swamp the Internet and effortlessly post anti-Chinese vitriol anywhere. In this talk page, you see names like [Cannibal15], [Zoomzoom316], [etc], all seem to lose their mind. And they of course don't stop there -- go to any of the Indian websites, you name it, from Times of India to India express, etc, etc, holy c*w! As you know, it is well-known/well-documented that Indian's provocation caused this 1962 war. Why there are still so many people effortlessly trying to blame China for that(in your words they should grow up)? Amazing... and don't even need to mention there are people trying to modify other user's comments in this talk page. Amazing... Xingdong (talk) 18:04, 17 July 2009 (UTC)

The Chinese communists should be ashamed of themselves

Chinese commies are like vermin. They infest everywhere and want to keep thier hegemony. They claim most of the countries in South-East Asia and South Asia just because the people in those countries traded with China in the past. The main aim of these dirty Chinese commies is to subvert the truth and history. They may have succeded to some extent now in the present period, but it cannot continue forever.

The next time they invade some country in this region, the world won't keep quiet and show mercy to these shameless, genocidal Chinese commies. Any further war against India may result in complete Balkanization of this evil Chinese Empire.

— Preceding unsigned comment added by 125.18.235.18 (talk) 06:13, 30 June 2009 (UTC)

This goes for the same to you too. Stop being biased and work together in finding hard facts to justify these bias. Fighting against each other with words is just plain childish. Do you want the 2 Asian giants to go all out in modern warfare with each other just by these words?

Think about the country you're patriotic to. Are you willing to start a war just by your comments that justify yourself as a patriotic countryman/women? Think about it.

Ben1941 (talk) 12:12, 3 July 2009 (UTC)

China and truth can never go together

This article looks like chinese government's propaganda to scavange its bad image. China and truth don't go together, and heavy chinese influence in this article is one of the best evidence of that. The responsibility lies on Wikipedia to ensure factual accuracy. All references cited here very selectively criticize Indian actions and exonerate chinese ones. I have read tonnes of books and articles, in which "official sources" have given a very different account of the situation than presented here. This is a matter of shame. Indo-chinese war is not Falun Gong movement or Tiananmen square that chinese have to supress everything so heavy-handedly.

Cuban missile crisis

Although the fact that the crisis and war coincided (roughly) in time may be true, I don't think it is relevant without some argument backed up by a citation. I suggest deleting it from the intro. If it is relevant, it should probably go in the section causes of war supported with appropriate citation.Vontrotta (talk) 20:34, 15 July 2009 (UTC)

This is one of the excuses some people made in order to comfort themselves. Instead of openly accepting the defeat, like what Nazi Germany and Japan did in the WWII, those people posed as innocent and made excuses for them to exit. Most common excuses are like following, but none of them is true.

1. The border war was coincided with Cuban missile crisis. When the crisis was over, China saw no advantage for them to fight with India, so they declared ceasefire.

2. Another popular Indian explanation that the Chinese stop was "basically inspired by fear" because their lines of communication were overstretched and they became vulnerable to Indian counterattack.

3. Some said Chinese didn't advance further because of their logistics problem.

Xingdong (talk) 05:36, 20 July 2009 (UTC)

Nazi Germany & Japan signed a Treaty of Surrender - India did no such thing although only a fool would think that it did not get a military black eye. Also - neither of the sides formally declared war; by no stretch of imagination was this instance comparable to anything in WW2 - firstly, there were no civilian casualties and secondly the sheer scale of a full fledged war wasn't there. Perhaps neither side had the resources to mount a long and costly war. China had a point to prove and it did so. Moreover, it won diplomatic brownie points as well. But all said and then - Kennedy was decidedly pro-India and Nixon had not bear hugged Mao either. Read this

http://www.nytimes.com/2005/08/25/world/asia/25iht-india.html

China would have factored this in. TheBlueKnight (talk) 11:01, 20 July 2009 (UTC)

Interesting article. Nice to hear from McNamara, known as architect of the Vienam war who just passed away recently. However, if China would factor this in, they might already have done that in Korean war. Didn't Eisenhower threaten China before? Western's strategy is to have you guys fighting each other, typical of "divide and conquer" thingy. Hope China and India wouldn't fall for it again. Xingdong (talk) 04:55, 22 July 2009 (UTC)

I don't think they will ever go to war - both are concentrating on economic progress - at the end of the day the per capita income of both nations is significantly low. Wars are costly affairs. Either way - the disputes revolve around areas which are not resource rich. It's not as if there are oil wells to be dug in Tawang. It is a matter of prestige - it is my personal opinion that all countries to should hold on to whatever they have and sign agreements to that effect. As the world's two most populous nations - perhaps they can create an Asio zone like the Euro zone where borders become irrelevant. I don't think either civilization is very aggressive by nature - 4000 years of peaceful co-existence should not be tarred by a skirmish of a few months. Of course, with the Pakistanis - it is a completely different story. If India trans-located their entire nation on the moon - the Pakistanis would follow it there and try picking a fight :) TheBlueKnight (talk) 07:03, 22 July 2009 (UTC)

I wonder if Brittain made that apology because, after 96 years, they had a stroke of reflection upon their conciences?WikiCC (talk) 21:56, 23 July 2009 (UTC)

Some backgrouds. 1. Mao was a mad man and a megalomaniac. He actually prepared (to what he could) China for nuclear wars against US and Russia by moving the strategic industries to the hinterland, and built extensive underground shelters in the big cities. 2. Mad he was, but I don't think he ever had India in his sight. He just wanted the "big" boys US and Russia. One of the books claimed that Russia actually had planned to assasinate him. 3. In the post Mao era, in one of the exchanages between the Chinese and the US militaries, a Chinese general asked the US side why China should think that US would use nuclear weapon against China now? Since US did not use it in the Korean war, and did not use it in the Amoy war (with Taiwan) ? WikiCC (talk) 18:30, 20 July 2009 (UTC)

India enjoyed great popularity among the international Great Powers as well as newly independent countries back then (and even now). It is the only country that can receive aid from both the USA and USSR. China was, on the contrary, a 'bad boy' to most of the nations in the world, just like north Korea nowadays. To void external intervene was critical to her, as fighting against both super-powers was doomed. The Cuban missile crisis provided a perfect chance. The American had to focus on their own security and Russia (since 1959, the Russians had openly supported India for any sino-indian dispute) needed Support from the Chinese Government . None of them was able to provide substantial military aid in time. Timing is critical. I believe the preparation had been carried on for a long time given the poor traffic condition around that area. But the time window was opened indeed by the Cuban missile crisis. the US would no doubt support India, and just a few months before that the Russian still referred China as the aggressor and invade towards India. However once the crisis started, Russia regarded China's action as 'necessary self-defense'. Together with the US focusing on the Caribbean, this marked a GO signal for the Chinese Assault. as soon as the crisis was settled, The Russian called China again the Invader and war mongers and warned China a possible attack on the northern border. At the same time, military aid from the western also arrived. continue attacking could only invite disastrous war against both super powers and hatred among the rest of the world. It would be unwise to do that.