Talk:CIMX-FM

A few points about the station's early history. I worked there in the late 1970s and while I'm not 100% sure about the following, hopefully someone can confirm or refute these points. The station was owned by Geoff Sterling (he was from Eastern Canada...maybe Newfoundland and owned other stations as well including (I think) CHOM-FM/Montreal). I was told that the station was classical at sign on. The change to underground rock mentioned in the article (ala WABX/Detroit) did NOT "continue until the 1980s". The entire rock staff (air and programming) was fired en masse sometime in the mid-1970s (apparently by phone). The station's chief engineer Wally Dowhan became PD and the station went Easy Listening (Streisand, Denver, Ray Conniff and 50% instrumentals per their POP). An interesting aside about the station's call letters. I was told that the "OM" came from Sterling's interest in transcendental meditation. I absolutely remember having to play a top-of-the-hour jingle every morning at 3:00 with someone chanting "oooooohhhhhmmmmm". Very trippy. LOL. The music eventually got newer as the 1980s arrived. After that point, I believe they were called "Lazer Rock" until the Alternative Rock experiment and eventual full conversion to Modern Rock was completed. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.57.52.24 (talk) 10:48, 2 June 2008 (UTC)

A very fine article for a great radio station, IMHO. It would be nice to see a little more elaboration on the station's history, DJ's, format changes, etc.. I am not qualified to do this though - and it's just a thought.

I also worked there in the mid 70's, after the mass firings. dick hildebrand hosted mornings. the 'come join our music' jingles tied

the station to windsor and essex county. geof stirling owned nbc (newfoundland broadcasting company). the cjom studios were located in 4 joined hotel rooms in the viscount hotel, 1120 ouellette avenue, windsor. we had a tub in the bathroom in master control. the transmitter was atop the viscount tower, less than 200 feet height. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 216.8.148.244 (talk) 15:47, 28 September 2008 (UTC)

I'd like to hear about the period in the early 90's where they were hilariously irreverent and eventually leading to the "DJ Camp" period. I remember listening and thinking it was one of the funniest things ever. Before the "DJ Camp" the occasional swear word would make it to air, or the station would just go off the air suddenly in the middle of the night and then come back on an hour or so later. Shortly after the "DJ Camp" they were pretty blah and I stopped listening. To clarify "DJ Camp" was a period of a few weeks where they ran ad's and music and had no DJ's at all. Spots were run explaining they went to DJ Camp. I assume this meant someone threw a fit and fired everyone. That kind of history is really fascinating, and it's something I've never heard the other side of 209.226.104.178 (talk) 06:59, 24 August 2009 (UTC)

I suggest The Metro Times, The Constant Listener column in the Detroit Free Press and Michiguide.com as sources. 89X was also the only station giving away tickets to the first Lollapalooza, and were the factor in getting a concert date for Electronic, one of only three in North America, I believe. MMetro (talk) 17:02, 9 December 2007 (UTC)

Annual Sponsored Shows Cleanup

I think this section needs to be generalized and not a specific listing of each and every event line up. WP:NOT seems pertinent. Dp76764 (talk) 16:41, 2 January 2008 (UTC)

Why remove this from Template:Detroit_Radio?

There are plenty of stations (39 out of 60) listed on the template that aren't PHYSICALLY located in Detroit, yet they all service the Detroit Metro area. So why should this be any different? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Dp76764 (talk • contribs) 20:19, 7 January 2008 (UTC)

The template hasn't been removed. The template is completely appropriate, as it applies to the Detroit market. The category, however, is for the metropolitan area, which doesn't include CIMX, located in Canada. JPG-GR (talk) 23:56, 7 January 2008 (UTC)

Ok, then why is having the category on CIDR-FM ok? If the category is for stations that service the Detroit metro area and CIMX services that area, then what does it being in Canada have to do with it? Or is the category only for stations that originate in the metro area? If so, then someone should remove all the Port Huron ones, as PH is by no stretch a part of the Detroit metro area. Also, it's arguable that CIMX IS part of the Detroit metro area; they have official station premises in Southfield, MI. Basically, if the category is for stations that service the metro area, CIMX should definitely have it.Dp76764 (talk) 01:04, 8 January 2008 (UTC)

Ah, nevermind, I see the difference between the 2 things now. Sorry for the confusion.Dp76764 (talk) 04:01, 8 January 2008 (UTC)

Limited to 1 Market Template

Ok, if the rule is 1 template per station, I would suggest using the Detroit template for this article instead of the Windsor template. My reasoning being: (1) Detroit is a much larger city and is arguably more important to the business of CIMX and (2) CIMX already has the Category for Windsor Radio Stations. Thoughts? Dp76764 (talk) 17:44, 25 March 2008 (UTC)

Under absolutely no circumstances is the Windsor market template coming off of a radio station that is licensed to Windsor, operates from studios in Windsor and is owned by a Canadian company. The Windsor and Detroit templates already include links to each other anyway, so I really don't understand what your issue is. The inclusion rule for radio templates is not where a radio station can be heard — templates are applied based on where a radio station is officially licensed. Bearcat (talk) 18:02, 25 March 2008 (UTC)

As well, there's no valid reason to single out only CIDR and CIMX as stations that should include and be included on the Detroit template — why just these two and not CBEF, CKWW, CKLW, CBE, CBE-FM, CJAM and CKUE as well? Bearcat (talk) 18:24, 25 March 2008 (UTC)

The links between the templates are kind of obscure and hard to find (especially for new readers). Surely there's a better way to represent the importance of the impact the station and city have on each other? Also, Detroit/Windsor is a bit of an unusual situation; how many other stations share 2 markets so closely in 2 countries at the same time? The markets are kind of symbiotic, which is why the template for Detroit has been on there until now, I guess. I know some other dual-cities (St Paul and Minneapolis) have a dual-market template, but those are at least in the same country. But, if these are the rules for templates (same applies to Categories, I'm told?), then so be it. hehe, you forgot something in "a radio station that is licensed to Windsor, operates from studios in Windsor and is owned by a Canadian company". Namely: "and is marketed and listened to mostly by Detroit/Michigan/US residents". Dp76764 (talk) 18:47, 25 March 2008 (UTC)

Well, those 2 show up fairly respectably in the ratings for the Detroit market [1], which is why I think (at least) this one deserves a dual-mention. Just my $0.02 though, so if the rules say otherwise, so be it. It won't be the first time that rules fly in the face of common sense ;) Maybe the market templates need to be changed to a combined market or something. Dp76764 (talk) 18:47, 25 March 2008 (UTC)

• BTW: do you have a link to the rules for templates? The editor above seems to disagree with you about the appropriateness of templates vs categories. Dp76764 (talk) 18:50, 25 March 2008 (UTC)

The issue with market templates is that they tend to proliferate needlessly. Since the Windsor stations are almost all audible in Toledo, as well, what's stopping people from adding the Toledo template as well? And then why not Sandusky and Cleveland, too, since they can also pick up most of the Windsor signals? And then you've got five market templates sitting on every radio station article in Windsor, which is a total violation of WP:TCREEP. Which is why radio templates for adjacent markets should simply textlink to each other rather than being directly applied to each others' stations — when you have a large number of markets whose stations overlap each other, you end up with far too many templates at the bottom of each station.

And while it's true that Windsor and Detroit are closely associated, for obvious reasons, they aren't a single metropolitan area or a single media market; the fact that CIMX is regulated by the CRTC rather than the FCC, and the fact that it's owned by CTVglobemedia, mean that even though the distinction may not seem immediately obvious to a listener, the station simply isn't operating in the same market context as any station that's licensed to Detroit. It doesn't answer to the same regulatory authorities, and doesn't operate under the same rules. Its co-owned sister stations are in London and Brockville and Halifax and Winnipeg, not in Detroit or Ashtabula. Although it has a special exemption that reduces its Canadian content requirements, unlike any station on the other side of the river it still has to meet a Canadian content quota. And the FCC isn't even obligated to keep its database entry on the station accurate — try looking up the FCC entry on CHYR-FM if you think this isn't a real issue. (I'll give you a hint: you won't find it under FM, so use the AM search. And then look at our article to see how long ago the station dropped its AM frequency.) And on and so forth. Which is why the station can't be taken out of a Canadian market template — while it clearly operates in a context that's significantly affected by its adjacency to a major American market, by virtue of its ownership and regulatory status its primary context is still Canadian. Bearcat (talk) 19:27, 25 March 2008 (UTC)

Excellent points. I would, however, submit an answer to "what's stopping people from adding the Toledo template as well? And then why not Sandusky and Cleveland, too?": Because the station declares itself to be Windsor/Detroits New Rock Alternative ... not "Windsor/Detroit/Toledo/Cleveland"'s New Rock Alternative. It's a pretty clear distinction directly from the station. There was an editor a while back that continually tried to add Toledo information in, so I see your point. Anyway, 2 templates per station seems to be the norm, so that settles my questions. Thanks for your time and explanations; it's always nice to learn a new nuance to the rules of Wikipedia. Dp76764 (talk) 19:44, 25 March 2008 (UTC)

Limiting station articles to one market template when a station obviously has two primary markets is just plain silly. This station and CIDR-FM market themselves to both sides of the river (Detroit more so than Windsor) and have business offices in both metropolitan areas. Moreover, radio signals are not so kind as to stop at the international border - the markets are interconnected. This is the same situation as XETV, the FOX network affiliate for San Diego, which just happens to transmit from Tijuana. You wouldn't take XETV, a major San Diego station, off of the San Diego TV template simply because its transmitter and license are in TJ, would you? Same situation with these two Canadian stations. Both the Detroit and SW Ontario templates should go on the CIDR and CIMX articles. The other Windsor stations, not so much; most of their listenership is Canadian and they don't market themselves across the river so I believe those should have only the SW Ontario template. This includes the TV station CBET, which most Detroiters only watch when the Wings are on Hockey Night in Canada (grin). SpanishCastleMagic (talk) 04:40, 24 April 2008 (UTC)