Talk:Brusilov offensive

Old talk

Moved from article by Kosebamse 06:55, 2 Mar 2004 (UTC):

(Instead of editing I would like to make my comments below).

I have heard the "specialized unit" put forth by James L. Stokesbury, but I can find now evidence of this. The reason that Bruisilov was successful was that he attacked along several points on his front so that the Austrians could not bring up reinforcements in advance. The reason he hit the weak points was that he asked each of his army Generals,(those of the 8th, 11th, 9th and 7th armies), to prepare an attack where they thought best. This was much better than just picking a spot on the map like Nivelle would have without knowing the terrain.

Brusilov also realized that the front lines had grown rather far apart so he had his men dig trenches all the way up to with in 75-100 yards of the enemy trenches, this is where the shock came from. He also hid his reinforcements well before the attack so that no one knew where each attack would come from.

General Brusilov also had his artilery preparation conducted sporadically. In other words the artillery would stop firing for a half hour and then start again. This way when they stopped for the last time,(i.e. when the troops where jumping off), the enemy soldiers were slow to get out of their trenches. This accounts partially for the large number of troops taken prisoner.

Thank you, Georgestuff2000@yahoo.com

Losses

Battlebox says 1.5 million Russian losses - article says 0.5 million. Which one is it?

--itpastorn 13:26, 8 December 2005 (UTC)

Russian casualties during the Brusilov Offensive were around 0.5 million, although some sources list losses up to one million. The latter probably incoroporate the Lake Naroch Offensive as well, because both Russian offensives had the goal of relieving the pressure on Verdun. I am skeptical of the "exactness" of the current Russian casualty figures and the number of Russian divisions given in the battle box exceeds the total amout of Russian divisions the entire Eastern Front at that time. I think I'll just update the whole article. Kazak 07:20, 2 January 2006 (UTC)

On losses

It depends on the definition of what you call "Brusilov offensive". From the German/Austrian point of view there were 3 Brusilov offensives between June and December. Total losses (killed/wounded/missing/captured) were 350,000 for the Germans, 1,000,000 for the Austrians (includes 400,000 POW) and 1,500,000 for the Russians. In fact, the total Russian losses were so severe, that it destabilised Czarist Russia.

If you just focus on the first offensive, the loss ratio is MASSIVELY in favor of the Russians. Within the first three days alone app. 200,000 Austrians (actually Czechs and Ruthenians) surrendered hardly puting up resistance. 01. Feb 06

WTF..?

"Months later the Russian Federation established an order that states whom ever may alter the information stated in web pages regarding the Brusilov Offensive will be subject to severe punishment. Soon afterwards, the United Nations agreed to institute this law around the world, so that it may apply to everyone."

It doesn't matter how you count, you can't loose a million men from only 633.000 (573.000=60.000), let alone win the battle. Either the amount of men involved in the campaign must be higher, or the casualties must be lower.

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Guinness Book of Records

According to the latest edition of the Guiness Book of Records the Brusilov Offensive was the bloodiest battle in world history. Colin4C 17:22, 15 October 2007 (UTC)