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The result of the debate was DELETE, since such is the procedure after noone offers to translate, and noone offers to keep. -Splashtalk 00:52, 19 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]
From WP:PNT, been there since Nov 16. Discussion from WP:PNT follows... Jamie 00:03, 12 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]
- Looks Arabic - not much else I can say or do. Schutz 16:13, 16 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]
- No it's Farsi. CG 21:04, 18 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]
- This could be merged with the talk page of Mohammad, Messenger of God (film) which is redirected to from The Message (film) (the US release title), since that's a pretty standard procedure for pages that need to be translated and wouldn't occupy a page for no reason. Note: I just noticed it on pages needing translation, my timing isn't very good. - Bobet 00:13, 12 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]
- Transwiki to fa.wikipedia.org and delete this article unless someone translates it in the next few days. Blackcats 02:42, 12 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete - This is the English version of Wikipedia. If someone wants to create an article on this film in English, fine. Until then, keep it out. --Cyde Weys talkcontribs 04:06, 12 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]
- DELETE --LifeStar 20:05, 12 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete Tom Harrison (talk) 04:00, 13 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]
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The result of the debate was merged and redirected into Scrabble letter distributions. —Ilmari Karonen (talk) 14:40, 12 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]
Now successfully merged with Scrabble letter distributions, so can be deleted safely.
- Just make a redirect - no need to delete. Jamie 00:15, 12 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]
- If merge, then redirect. Merge and delete are not compatible under GFDL. ESkog | Talk 01:38, 12 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep - There's enough information in this that I don't think it should be merged into Scrabble. Besides, seeing what each letter is worth in various languages is kind of interesting. --Cyde Weys talkcontribs 04:24, 12 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]
- Redirect given that a merge has taken place. Capitalistroadster 04:29, 12 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]
- Redirect - good list though so well done to whoever found it all. Zordrac (talk) Wishy Washy Darwikinian Eventualist 05:19, 12 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]
- Redirect Can't this be done without coming to AfD? Eusebeus 09:57, 12 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]
- FYI Redirected 04:26, 12 December 2005 Cyde. Gtabary 12:20, 12 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]
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The result of the debate was KEEP, since it was translated subsequent to all the deleters' comments. No prejudice to a nomination on other grounds in future. -Splashtalk 00:53, 19 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]
From WP:PNT, been there since Nov 19. Discussion from WP:PNT follows... Jamie 00:14, 12 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]
- Definitely Bahasa Indonesia/Malaysia. - splot 04:58, 19 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]
- This is a strange one. It seems to be a discussion of two different ethnic groups, and then purports to prove that they are the same.... so can probably be deleted as it's not impartial. However, not all the words are familiar to me, and the locations mentioned certainly aren't, so a second opinion from someone who speaks Malaysian rather than Indonesian might be helpful.
- At least it's got references! Still, Delete. Orangutan comes to mind. JFW | T@lk 00:22, 12 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]
Transwiki to fa.wikipedia.org and/or ms.wikipedia.org and delete this article unless someone translates it in the next few days.Blackcats 02:46, 12 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]- Change vote to keep now that it's an English stub. Blackcats 08:54, 14 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete - This is the English version of Wikipedia. If someone wants to create an article on this film in English, fine. Until then, keep it out. --Cyde Weys talkcontribs 04:06, 12 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete. It had been listed for translation for nearly a month. Movementarian 09:28, 12 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete. Gtabary 12:27, 12 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment It is about the Orang Sungai ( I think they live in Sabah though that's not stated in the article) and states that they are basically the same as the Tambanuo tribe, except that the Orang Sungai, living near the river, converted to Islam whereas the Tambanuo settled further from the river remained animists. It doesn't really give any futher information about them though. I'll do a proper translation if people think that would be worth doing, but I suspect it would be deleted anyway. Rhion 19:16, 12 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep. I've turned it into a stub with what little info that I know/could find about the Orang Sungai. Anybody who knows more about this topic is welcomed to expand it. :) --Andylkl [ talk! | c ] 19:00, 13 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]
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The result of the debate was delete. – Robert 00:36, 18 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]
A hospital radio service of one UK hospital. Really stretching the limits of notability. JFW | T@lk 00:18, 12 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete. JFW | T@lk 00:18, 12 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete Only so many radio stations can claim to "currantly" provide service, however. Currants are tasty. --YixilTesiphon Say hello 01:29, 12 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete Josh Parris#: 04:51, 12 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]
- Abstain. I retooled the article as a stub and found a small amount of notability. It seems that one of thier former preseters is Russ Williams. Movementarian 09:50, 12 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete. I really don't like 'notable alumni' claims of notability, particularly when there's nothing else there. Everyone starts out somewhere, which means that, IMO, to be unique a place has to produce more than the usual number of notable people and/or should have had a unique importance in their career development. We don't, for example, have articles on every junior football club which had a few boys go on to become famous, because most notable footballers played when they were young and most notable DJs had crap gigs at NHS radio stations at some point. --Last Malthusian 10:58, 12 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete Notable alumni do not notability make. Chris talk back 13:49, 12 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]
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The result of the debate was delete. – Robert 00:36, 18 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]
Seems like some kind of joke. No explanation of notability. JesseW, the juggling janitor 00:18, 12 December 2005 (UTC)
- Comment. A reference is provided. If this exists, it may not be a hoax. JFW | T@lk 00:25, 12 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]
- The book citation is given as "Van, Bernard , et al. Happiness Quantified. Oxford University Press. 2005". There is a book by that title, but it is: Bernard van Praag and Ada Ferrer-i-Carbonell (2004-04-06). Happiness Quantified: A Satisfaction Calculus Approach. Oxford University Press. ISBN 0-19-828654-6.
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: CS1 maint: year (link) — note the differences in the authors and the year of publication. Looking at the excerpts from that book that are available as tasters, it seems unlikely that it contains anything as superficial as these three laws, albeit that it is possible. Uncle G 00:41, 12 December 2005 (UTC)[reply] - Further note: There are books that explicitly address "the laws of happiness":
- They appear to bear no relation to the content of this article. Uncle G 00:49, 12 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]
- The book citation is given as "Van, Bernard , et al. Happiness Quantified. Oxford University Press. 2005". There is a book by that title, but it is: Bernard van Praag and Ada Ferrer-i-Carbonell (2004-04-06). Happiness Quantified: A Satisfaction Calculus Approach. Oxford University Press. ISBN 0-19-828654-6.
- Weak keep, doesn't appear to be any AFD criterion by which this should be deleted. Stifle 00:39, 12 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]
- The criteria that apply are Wikipedia:Verifiability and Wikipedia:No original research. Uncle G 00:41, 12 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]
- The citation in the references section has been corrected. Aerapmcheecephy 01:27, 12 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]
- Speedy delete as patent nonsense. --YixilTesiphon Say hello 01:30, 12 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete as it seems the source has nothing to do with the content. ESkog | Talk 01:40, 12 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete - not notable. Blackcats 02:36, 12 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete as original research. Capitalistroadster 04:49, 12 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete Nonsense trying to masquerade as OR. Eusebeus 09:59, 12 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete. From the article: Corollary: The change in the total happiness level of the universe is always zero.. I would like to add: the difference between a bird is 10... carotes. :-) Gtabary 12:32, 12 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete Nonsense, whether the source agrees or not. How does one mathematically quantify 'happiness'?! StealthFox 22:51, 12 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]
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The result of the debate was Keep. Jaranda wat's sup 00:29, 17 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]
From WP:PNT, been there since Nov 19. Discussion from WP:PNT follows... Jamie
- Romanian. Physchim62 (talk) 08:00, 19 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete - This is the English version of Wikipedia. If someone wants to create an article on this film in English, fine. Until then, keep it out. --Cyde Weys talkcontribs 04:10, 12 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep
Translated the first line, added a stub category (not sure if the right one).Movementarian beat me to it. Either way, he should be kept. To be pedantic, he was a 12th Century troubadour, which makes him really more of a poet. Eusebeus 10:08, 12 December 2005 (UTC)[reply] - Keep retooled as stub. He was Bishop of Toulouse, and helped to found the unversity there. He is also a 12th century musician. Movementarian 10:16, 12 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep, the article now has enough content to be kept. -- Ze miguel 11:41, 13 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep the current stub. Dlyons493 Talk 17:11, 13 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]
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The result of the debate was NO CONSENSUS, but a merge is clearly needed. It's already tagged. -Splashtalk 00:55, 19 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]
The article is pretty much all song lyrics, has nothing to do with the band itself, and probably a copyright infringement by posting the lyrics on the article in the first place. Cernen 00:26, 12 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]
Weak delete - I considered turning it into a brief stub using information from this fanpage, but the information there seems a bit unreliable (at least as a primary source) and the band itself doesn't seem to fulfill WP:MUSIC. Their website, however, seems rather professional and might upgrade them to notable status, but I can't read a word of Japanese. Snurks T C 03:12, 12 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]- Comment - I only recently registered an account (I have edited for some time on an ip address), so it might not be appropriate for me to vote on an AfD, but Porno Graffitti does meet WP:MUSIC. They have released multiple albums on Sony, which is a certainly a major label. (See this website.) On the other hand, I would totally agree that the song lyrics ought not to be included in the article. There is also a fair deal of information on the band here. I think this article could easily be turned into a legitimate encyclopedia article. NoIdeaNick 02:53, 12 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep - Just because Porno Graffiti isn't American and you may not have heard of it, I assure you it's big in Japan. Hell, their song was the first theme music for Full Metal Alchemist, which was the premier anime at the time of its airing. As to the article itself - its quality is quite crappy. It needs major work, but it doesn't need to be deleted. --Cyde Weys talkcontribs 04:09, 12 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete current one-sentence stub, but recreate if more can be said. User:Zoe|(talk) 04:23, 12 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep - 131,000 Google hits [1] is notable enough in my book. Blackcats 04:30, 12 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment. This is currently a speedy delete candidate as a short article with little or no context. Would vote to keep decent stub. Capitalistroadster 04:59, 12 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep - and note that this was the name of a famous album as well. Zordrac (talk) Wishy Washy Darwikinian Eventualist 05:16, 12 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]
- I've added a cross-reference to the album Pornograffiti by Extreme. Chris talk back 13:44, 12 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]
I wonder if I'm allowed to comment on whether or not it should be deleted. -tries anyway- I vote keep and I do so because I just threw a stub tag on the end for music groups...I -could- throw in the band member names. While not the original author of the article in question...well...Nick's source does have a fair deal of information, but it might not be worth using; it has a few names and a discography, but that's about all. If the spirit of the wiki is "come, let us add stuff to this stuff to make it good stuff instead of just stuff," then leave it alone, tell people, "Hey, we don't know much, perhaps y'all could help us out," and watch the article blossom? Feh...I'm beginning to wonder if I should be commenting in the first place. Worth a shot, anyway; be bold and all that. Cernen 10:43, 12 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]I have decided to retract my previous statement. Toss it. Cernen 05:18, 13 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]- Merge from Porno Graffitti (band). Also, is there a barnstar for nominating an article should be deleted, then arguing for keeping, then voting delete again, and then changing your mind again to favor a merge? Or do my qualifications for speaking dumbass cover me? Just curious. Cernen 07:58, 17 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]
- Merge from Porno Graffitti (band). Kamezuki 18:56, 12 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]
- Merge from Porno Graffitti (band). Very important band on J-pop scene with widespread name-recognition. - Naif 05:22, 17 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]
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The result of the debate was DELETE. As translated, it's an nn-bio. No prejudice to a recreation done properly. -Splashtalk 00:56, 19 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]
From WP:PNT, been there since Nov 19. Also possbile nn-bio. Discussion from WP:PNT follows... Jamie
- Spanish bio. Physchim62 (talk) 08:00, 19 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]
- There's not much to this one that's encyclopedic. Not sure he deserves an article. - Taxman Talk 21:39, 21 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]
- Spanish bio which has an obituary tone. Not very encyclopic. Will translate it if it's kept but don't think it is notable enough.--Dakota t e 23:15, 27 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]
- initially translated, lacking a lot of context -- ( drini's page ☎ ) 20:04, 7 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]
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The result of the debate was delete. The content looked like it could be merged into Contemporary culture of South Korea but it was just a copy-paste from a how-to guide. howcheng {chat} 18:21, 29 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]
Appears to be original research. Stifle 00:38, 12 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete - "how-to" guide. B.Wind 02:38, 13 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]
Note: relisting 19/12/05, which in your star-time is still the 18/12/05. Something to do with the speed of light, I understand. fuddlemark (fuddle me!) 15:14, 18 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]
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The result of the debate was keep. I'm going to move it to Laszlo Toth, however. And if'n I catch anyone removing AfD tags from an article still under discussion again, worl ... fuddlemark (fuddle me!) 04:10, 20 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]
Does not appear to be notable. Possible merge to Pieta. Disputed nn-bio. Stifle 00:48, 12 December 2005 (UTC) Actually, delete and redirect per Eusebeus. Stifle 11:46, 12 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep and move to Laszlo Toth. Unfortunately, this fellow did make himself newsworthy; here's a Guardian news story that seems to confirm this. "Lazlo Toth" is a pseudonym of comedian Don Novello, who writes crank letters and prints collections of the letters and replies he gets from various institutions. Smerdis of Tlön 05:08, 12 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete and redirect to Don Novello per above. Eusebeus 10:10, 12 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep Awful thing to do, but it did make worldwide headlines at the time. Should be moved to Lazlo Toth (vandal) and that Lazlo Toth should redirect to Don Novello, with disambig notes on both. Andrew Lenahan - Starblind 12:12, 12 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete and redirect to Don Novello. The article on the Pieta already has relevant notes on this incident, and Don Novello includes an appropriate reference for how Novello chose the name "Lazlo Toth." There is nothing in this article that needs to be kept or merged. Tim Pierce 13:58, 12 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]
- Stong keep Important historical event. The perpertrator, has precendence over Novello page who pseudonym is based directly upon the actual identity of Lazlo Toth. 'Lazlo Toth, vandal' is the only way to disambiguate from the other Toths. TransylvanianTwist 01:56, 13 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]
- If the notariety of the article's subject has is solely from the fact that he wielded a sledgehammer to the Pietà, then a merge to that article is in order. If it is to be kept, I'd suggest a rename to Lazlo Toth (Pietà vandal) with a redirect from Pieta vandal and similar for easier access to the article. B.Wind 21:15, 13 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep and redirect to Lazlo Toth (vandal)-other wise lose all biog. material on him which would be to wikipedia's detriment. Eric A. Warbuton 05:38, 14 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep and Move to Lazlo Toth (vandal), to conform with article naming conventions. I think his actions, though despicable, are noteworthy enough to merit a biographical entry. -Colin Kimbrell 17:30, 15 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]
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The result of the debate was DELETE. -Splashtalk 01:00, 19 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]
Uncited; I suspect it's a hoax. Tom Harrison (talk) 00:53, 12 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]
- Strong Delete - Now some anonymous user has come in and added two "references" (unlinked, naturally) that have nothing to do with "Tydamonic Alliances". Someone is trying to hoax Wikipedia. Maybe they heard about the Seigenthaler thing and thought they could do it too. --Cyde Weys talkcontribs 00:34, 13 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]
This AfD is being relisted to generate a clearer consensus. Please add new discussion below this notice. Thanks! Mo0[talk] 08:19, 18 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]
- Strong Delete per fruitless Google search. Billbrock 10:50, 18 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]
- "Thy pitiless unmanning is most meet / Thinks Ercole, the zany Paraclete." Billbrock 10:55, 18 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete. If it was a real secret society, we'd have heard of it. --Squiddy 11:55, 18 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete ...But you've never heard of it because it's just that secret! ;) r3m0t talk 21:44, 18 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]
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The result of the debate was delete. – Robert 00:34, 18 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]
Non-notable student group. The relevent information has already been merged into University of Massachusetts Amherst. This page should be deleted. peachlette 01:03, 12 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]
- If merge, then redirect - they're cheap and can discourage recreation of the page. ESkog | Talk 01:41, 12 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment: I knew that would probably get suggested. I just think it is incredibly unlikely that anyone will be looking up this organization. As you say, though, redirects are cheap. I wouldn't be opposed to that, I just see no reason to keep it around. peachlette 03:50, 12 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment: There is another reason why I would argue a redirect is preferred/required here: you say that the information has been merged into another article. Because of the GFDL, a merge requires a redirect - we can't delete the old page because the page history for the merged information goes with it. ESkog | Talk 05:46, 12 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment: That's reasonable. The only reason I merged it was to avoid upsetting its original author. I don't know that it even really belongs on the UMass page. I think the place for it is really the UMass wiki. peachlette 08:44, 12 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment: There is another reason why I would argue a redirect is preferred/required here: you say that the information has been merged into another article. Because of the GFDL, a merge requires a redirect - we can't delete the old page because the page history for the merged information goes with it. ESkog | Talk 05:46, 12 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment: I knew that would probably get suggested. I just think it is incredibly unlikely that anyone will be looking up this organization. As you say, though, redirects are cheap. I wouldn't be opposed to that, I just see no reason to keep it around. peachlette 03:50, 12 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete because there is no proof (or even assertion) that the group has made any impact at Amherst or elsewhere. This isn't a directory. Pilatus 04:07, 12 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]
- As so often, Pilatus quite right. Delete it. Eusebeus 10:14, 12 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete NN campus group. --Bachrach44 15:04, 12 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete --LifeStar 20:06, 12 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]
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