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Improper terminology at Butterfly stroke

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User:Izno is continually reverting front crawl to freestyle in the list of strokes and their speeds. The correct terminology is front crawl, especially when comparing it to other strokes. This is attested to by the actual article on front crawl (to which freestyle stroke redirects anyway). He is editing in bad faith, as reasons for this terminology have been posted on the talk page for the article, and he has not responded but continues to revert.

I'm not sure what to do here. Thanks. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.172.15.234 (talk) 02:16, 26 August 2009 (UTC)

4 points here:

1. You should have notified Izno of this WQA - you didn't.
2. Calling Izno an "idiot" is plainly unacceptable - I've warned you.
3. Calling anything or anyone "moronic" is obviously not going to go down well either, no matter what context you use it in.
4. Hopefully Izno will respond at the talk page regarding the content dispute, and explain why he didn't prior to or at the very least, straight after reverting.

That's it for now. Ncmvocalist (talk) 04:03, 26 August 2009 (UTC)

I don't know anything about WQA (just found it by searching around about edit disputes), and didn't realize I was supposed to notify anyone. I doubt it would have made any difference since he has been unresponsive on the talk page. I apologize for sharp words but I was trying to get him to respond on the talk page (not that civility has any bearing on accuracy - facts are facts. this is a minor and silly dispute in the first place and I can't believe anyone would continue reverting accurate terminology into inaccurate terminology like this). I will make sure not to use insulting terms in the future. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.172.15.234 (talk) 04:17, 26 August 2009 (UTC)

By the way, have you checked WP:V and WP:RS? Thank you for your assurance on the issue of civility. Ncmvocalist (talk) 04:39, 26 August 2009 (UTC)

Freestyle swimming is plainly not a redirect. In that article, it is noted that the two terms are synonymous in essence, especially when referring to competitive strokes. Having been a competitive swimmer for the past 9 years and having learned lessons long before, I haven't heard it referred to as the front crawl since I was in the lessons stage. The usage of the term in context with the rest of the paragraph means that it doesn't really matter which, and as freestyle was the term first used, I am unsure why it needs to be changed.
As for your lack of good faith... /shrug. I've had worse.
Ncm: Feel free to move this to the talk page of butterfly stroke if you wish. --Izno (talk) 04:55, 26 August 2009 (UTC)

I explained why (twice!) in the talk page for that article. I thought that was what we were supposed to do in the case of edit disagreements, but I can see that system breaks down quickly. That is why this WQA thing exists now. 99.172.15.234 (talk) 05:21, 26 August 2009 (UTC)

I think this would probably be less of an issue if your points of view could be verified from reliable sources. The unreferenced tag was placed on that section in July; that part of the article really needs to be referenced - it may so happen that the entire section is removed due to the lack of citations. Ncmvocalist (talk) 05:47, 26 August 2009 (UTC)