Talk:Lemony Snicket

I'm sorry

I tried to undo some vandalism, and I accidentally f***** up the page a bit more...thanks to whoever changed it back to what it was.  

—Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.122.146.171 (talk) 20:41, 9 October 2007 (UTC)

Lemony Snicket or Daniel handler?

For me Lemony Snicket is better than being Daniel Handler. Lemony has this very unique character of being very frank about his writings. You see, there are actually a lot or almost all of these days' authors that are very flowery with the words they are using in promoting their books so that many would buy it but i think it's very usual and nowadays people are actually looking for something different. In the way Lemony talks about his books it seems like he don't even like his writings, but it gathers a lot of book enthusiasts especially the young ones because they get intrigued and they are curious of what he is actually talking about. Anyway, my point here is that i wish he would remain as Lemony Snicket forever. I love him.

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Re Move/Rename Issues

There is an on-going discussion on merging Lemony Snicket with Daniel Handler, and other proposals for dealing with the various roles the term "Lemony Snicket" is used in. Such discussion should be centralized, and the part of it that has been contributed on this page has been moved into the more extensive discussion at Daniel Handler#Merge with Lemony Snicket, without prejudice as to which title should be on any merged article, or to other approaches than a merge.
--Jerzy•t 18:03, 5 May 2007 (UTC)

Bullet points?

I'm not sure about italicising titles in bullet-pointed lists which are expressly lists of titles. Reads a bit oddly to me. I won't mod it back, though...

Neutral point of view

Using the word extreme is the essence of judgement -"extreme right-wing organizations". mokru

OK, just one question

Who exactly is this "Beatrice"? We always hear a great deal about her, but we never hear who she is.

• This seems very likely the correct allusion for Beatrice. --Guest_itsabob

some people say that Beatrice was the Baudelaires mother but that wouldn't work unless Lemony Snicket is their father because he said he loved her. She was a volunteer because he said he remembered her standing by the window of the headquarters making salad or something.

I think that she is a person who Lemony LOVED very much who was also looking into the three children's case of evil and sadness and she found to much or knew something and was killed some way by Count Olaf. I mean in book 5 when there are 3 pictures about her there is a fire, a type writer, and finally a woman ( most likely Beatrice ) So that COULD MEAN that she herd of the fire, then typed out the Orphans story, and then was killed. SO it in my opinion was merley another one on the case who was hot on the trail and the count put her out cold.

Beatrice COULD have been really the Baudelaires deceased mother, they are both presumed dead (though it is very unlikely) because Lemony Snicket did not actually marry her for various reasons. HyperHobbes 14:13, 25 September 2005 (UTC)

Beatrice is obiously Snicket's lover, but there isn't much else I can say about her.--The Republican 00:44, 2 October 2005 (UTC)

Beatrice possibly could be the Baudelaires mother because L. Snicket never married her, in fact he was banned from seeing her.--athlongirl 68.94.235.220 13:46, 18 October 2005 (UTC)

I bet she's the Baudelaire's mother. Hints have been dropped that she died in fire, and her house burned down in the same fire. She worked as a VFD member, and so did the Baudelaire's mother. Am I making sense?

Ive just downloaded "13 Shocking Secrets youll wish you never knew about Lemony Snicket" from his publishers website, which give some interesting information, such as that Lemony Snicket is one of the orphans, givign me the idea that beatrice is Isadora Quagmire?

That is totally wrong, first of all, he can't be one of the orphans because he has a brother and a sister, not two sisters. Seocnd of all if kit snicket was an adult whenthey were still children, that means he was an adult too. But he is AN orphan. (not one of the orphans.) Another interesting point is "Lemony helped beatrice commit a terrible crime before her death." Assited Suicide? Id recommend everyone download the 13 secrets from the HArper COllins website.

I doubt that Beatrice is Mrs. Baudelaire, because I belive that she (Bee) died in the fire at the Duchess of Winipeg's party. (see the Austere Academy & the Unauthorised Autobiography) I think that you also learn Mrs. Baudelaire's first name in book 12. I may be wrong about that, however. -Sluth

It's been hinted theres another woman named Beatrice bauldaire.

The other Beatrice Baudelaire is Kit Snicket's daughter, who was named after the Baudelaire mother. Also, just because Lemony loved Beatrice (the first one) it doesn't mean that she loved him in return. - Leia

I think that she was the Baudelaire's mother because at the end of the 13th book Kit told them to name her child after one of there parents. At the end of the book the last word was Beatrice. They named her after the Baudelaires mother. She died in a fire too. In the book letters to Beatrice it says Beatrice married Lemony Snicket a long time ago. She then got a devorce. Lemony still loves her and always will.-Ryan

You are all wrong!!! The horrible crime was the murder of Olaf's parents in "La fortza del Destino" in the theaters lobby, and she told her daughters (Not including Klaus) it was a night she would vever forget.--Klaus Baude 123 00:02, 31 December 2006 (UTC)

Beartrice IS their mother. In the Beatrice Letters, she says that she is related to them AND they have the same last name. (they refers to Violet, Klaus, and Sunny). In The End, the baby's name is Beatrice and she was named after their mother. Lemony and Beatrice were probably lovers, but because of "certain issues" they couldn't get married. This was mentioned in The Beatrice Letters. And if Beatrice did die at the Duchess of Winnepeg's party, she probably went there with her husband while the children were at the beach. The Duchess of Winnepeg's house was set on fire at that party. Well, you're probably wondering how the Baudelaire Mansion got burned down. Well, Count Olaf probably burned that down as well. And the crime Lemony helped her commit WAS the poison dart thing at La Fortza del Destino. Duh. And there is NO possible way that Lemony was one of the orphans, not only because he didn't have 2 sisters but because if he is the same generation as them, then there is no possible way that Kit could be his sister, even though she really is. And also, Lemony was "dead" even though he really wasn't. And the Baudelaire's parent's journal in 13 says that if they had a girl they would name it Violet and if they had a boy they would name it Lemony. So ha. -Isabel

all i have to say is that all of this is made up.

"Proudly Jewish"?

"Lemony Snicket is "proudly Jewish", as represented in This News Article"

"This news article" in the introduction is dead, a word which here means, "not functional or yielding of helpful information". With all due respect, a WikiGuest.

Daniel Handler is Jewish. Lemony Snicket doesn't seem very religious. This should really go on the Daniel Handler article. smurrayinchester^{(User), (Talk)} 20:43, 19 October 2005 (UTC)

65.223.58.226 (talk) 20:58, 16 March 2008 (UTC)I agree wholeheartedly, a word which here means "Completely."

lol. Nice. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 96.232.15.148 (talk) 07:27, 2 June 2008 (UTC)

Character Traits

I know expecting logic from Daniel Handler doesn't make sense, but I'll do it anyway-a phrase which here means "doing something illogical while in search of unexisting logic". In any case, am I the only one who thinks that the Baudlaires should be about 29-30 throughout the course of the series, instead of 12-13, 14-15 and ?babyhood-?early childhood?

It has come to my attention that people are immitating the intricate writing styles of Daniel Handler, a phrase which here means " STOP FREEKING TALKING LIKE LEMONY SNICKET!!! " That is all. - a concerned reader.

With all due respect, A Wikiguest (a word which here means one who visits The Wikipedia but has no actual accouont)

I don't see why; the entire series only lasts about 8 months; The Penultimate Peril for example lasted only 3-4 days. smurrayinchester^{(User), (Ho Ho Ho!)} 21:48, 3 December 2005 (UTC)

Penultimate Peril lasted 2 days, actually. Tuesday and Wednsday.

Actually, the series lasts like two years, don't the birthday's give you clues?And what does this have to do with the characters?--Klaus Baude 123 23:32, 30 December 2006 (UTC)

To wikiguest- talking like Lemony Snicket is entertaining, a word which here means "fun." 65.223.58.226 (talk) 20:59, 16 March 2008 (UTC)

When and where did it happen?

I think that the series probably happened in the year of 1966 and it was in Australia.

What gives you that idea? The accounts of the locales dont strike me as australian at all.

I doubt if it's Australain, but there are two other possibilities to where it takes place: ONE: [gasp]Nowhere at all! TWO: North America. Why? Look:

                              Hinterlands (Prairies)
                              Mortmain Mountains (Rockies)
                              The sea (Pacific)

It's possible, but the Baudelaires' city is near the sea, so they wouldn't have gone through the Hinterlands before the mountains, but maybe I'm just missing out on something...

Actually, in my oppinion, it takes place in Europe, if you saw the map of the snake cather, it is the Mediterranian, just that tilted a bit, and if you saw the poster in BL you would see two towers, and the time seems like the '40 because of the clothes, the vehicles, the way they talk, and did I mention Lemony is english?--Klaus Baude 123 23:39, 30 December 2006 (UTC)

I think it could be in Europe. I also think it could be like the midwest-west. Like california-Iowa. But he might have purposely mixed the places up to throw us off track. -Isabel

I don't think its in north america, because in the ersatz elevator i think the "mountain lion, who lives in north america" is referred to as a forign animal by jerome squaler . —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.236.68.37 (talk) 15:52, 2 November 2007 (UTC)

"Lemony Snicket" is finished?

The actual message is in fact "He is finished," and I'm going to change it to same as to maintain accuracy. Inmate42 21:04, 16 May 2006 (UTC)

i CAN SHOW YOU THE COVER OF THE 13TH BOOK

OH GOOD BECAUSE THAT WILL MAKE THE ABOVE STATEMENT LESS TRUE! ALSO I LOVE CAPS LOCK!67.142.130.24 00:11, 16 June 2006 (UTC)(Inmate42, just not logged in)

I think it's just because he's finished writing the story. However, Kit's dead, Jacques is dead, Beatrice is dead, Beatrice the Second is looking for him, the Baudelaires have gone missing, so he wouldn't really be very happy, would he? - Leia

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Unreliable Narrator?

Could Mr. Snicket not be considered an unreliable narrator? He's clearly biased into telling the story in such a way that it glorifies the Baudelaires. 67.142.130.24 00:12, 16 June 2006 (UTC)

This is fiction. There is no other way to write the Series of Unfortuante Events, as the Baudelaires are the heros. Lemony knows enough to glorify them, so he does, but you'll also notice that when the children get into ethcial grey areas, they fear that they are wicked and don't glorify themselves.

Actually, Daniel himself called LS an unreliable narrarator in the legal stuff for the UA.

--Nero S. Baudelaire 21:38, 3 February 2007 (UTC)Lemony is a personal friend of mine,and let me tell you, the story of the Baudelaire orphans is perfectly true. Beatrice was Lemony's love, the Baudelaires did conquer over Count Olaf, and all else is either true or in code.

With all due respect, Nero S. Baudelaire

What's the Link?

We know that Lemony is working on the Baudelaire case because of Beatrice, whom, according to the Unauthorised Autobiography, had something to do with the Baudelaires, presumably reserching them. But what's the link? Here's what we know:

       -Beatrice was a member of VFD
       -Esmé Squallor has a snowsuit embroidered with a 'B', presumably for Beatrice
       -Esmé has mentioned Beatrice stealing something from her

Lemony was engaged to Beatrice, but she broke off the engagement because of something she read in The Daily Punctilio. Esmé stated in the twelfth book that Beatrice stole the sugar bowl from her, but in the eighth book Lemony says he was the one who stole it from Esmé.

That dosen't answer my question, though...

im confused

Beatrice and Lemony believed that Olaf would target them if they married, so they didn't. Then Beatrice read the article in Italic textThe Daily PunctilioItalic text and believed Lemony dead. She then met Bertrand Baudelaire and they married.........I think. Actually, I'm pretty sure.

No because in the 13 Shocking secrets about Lemony Snicket it says Lemony helped Beatrice in a horrible crime before her death.-Ryan

Hey ryan again. Beatrice and Lemony were married way before she had her 3 children(Sunny,Klas and Violet). Then Beatrice thought it was too hard so she got a divorce.-Ryan MERRY CHRISTMAS!!!

That horrible crime was the murder of Olaf's parents!!! It involved the Snickets, the Baudelairs (Parents) and poison darts.--Klaus Baude 123 23:48, 30 December 2006 (UTC)

Rocks

Lemony Snicket rocks. I just thought I should say that. -Isabel

That's fine, but please don't spam, a word which here means "Post useless messages," rather than "eat a very good tasting canned meat." 65.223.58.226 (talk) 21:02, 16 March 2008 (UTC)

Deleting external links

For some reason user 216.175.14.85 deleted the external links and see also sections. I've restored them. Cheers! Wassupwestcoast 13:22, 27 February 2007 (UTC)

Merge with Daniel Handler

Two contributions to this section have been moved to Daniel Handler#Merge with Lemony Snicket in order to centralize the discussion of where to draw lines among some related topics, and titles to use for the pieces.
--Jerzy•t 18:03, 5 May 2007 (UTC)

Noted that somebody removed the "Other Works" section temporarily - I'm assuming this was in preparation for a move to the Daniel Handler page. Until or unless a decision is reached to merge elements of the Snicket and Handler pages, information should not be moved between them as though the decision were already reached. 81.132.183.220 19:01, 12 March 2007 (UTC)

Daniel Handler is the author, Lemony Snicket is the fictional narrator & the pen name is is just to add to the feel of the narrator being the author.

Bot removes source

Blasted Shadowbot is removing the source for the type-up that is the sole source of information for the Name Origin section. The audio interview it's a type-up of is no longer available without signing up to Salon.com, I think, and the type-up is the only one I know of. Any suggestions for how to get it back up? Shove the type-up onto the forums for The Quiet World or something? This is not linkspam we're talking about, this is a genuine source. 81.132.183.220 19:18, 21 March 2007 (UTC)

Now the text source (which was taken directly from the auto-removed link) has been removed, so I guess it's only a matter of time 'til somebody takes out the Name Origin section completely. 217.42.64.91 08:56, 21 April 2007 (UTC)

I'm preserving it here in case it's removed for being unsourced, which is ridiculous as Wikipedia removed the sources in the first place. 217.42.64.91 16:07, 24 April 2007 (UTC)

The name Lemony Snicket ostensibly came from research for Handler's first book, The Basic Eight, although Handler later admitted that this was not entirely true. Handler wanted to receive material from organizations he found "offensive or funny", but did not want to use his real name and eventually invented Lemony Snicket as a pseudonym. He would also use the name to write prank letters to newspapers, pretending to be outraged at a trivial news item. When writing A Series of Unfortunate Events, he thought it would be interesting to publish the books under the narrator's name rather than that of the author, and felt that Lemony Snicket was appropriate.

Lead Image

While it's a more direct picture of Snicket, and looks more like Handler, I'm not sure that it really represents Snicket's character; one of the faceless, smartly-dressed pictures would say more about who he is and what he does than a gimmick picture themed after a single book. In short, I think it should be changed back, or possibly changed to another, sharper Snicket picture, like the real Snicket photograph in the back of Chapter Fourteen. 81.152.38.112 07:31, 14 June 2007 (UTC)

It's now been changed back, so there's no longer a problem. 217.42.65.113 12:12, 23 June 2007 (UTC)

Split

I think this article should be split into Daniel Handler#Lemony Snicket and Lemony Snicket (character), w/ the redirect going to the character. Any thoughts? —Ignatzmice^talk_contribs 14:37, 24 June 2007 (UTC)

An attempt was made to start a debate about this, and the remains can be seen at Talk:Daniel Handler#Merge with Lemony Snicket. The last and most detailed argument was against any change--although your suggestion was put forward as a compromise, although not with any enthusiasm--and after that, the debate died. After all, where do you start making the distinction? The character's written about going into bookstores and rearranging his books, and the author's played the role in-character in interviews and videos. An unambiguous consensus on that would need to be reached before the change gets made, and I don't believe the change would represent the simplest and most accurate way of depicting the figures on Wikipedia. 217.42.65.113 14:21, 25 June 2007 (UTC)

Cleanup tag

The article has been cleaned up quite a bit since the addition of the cleanup templates. Is it possible to take those off now? -- Danny (talk) 12:37, 6 September 2007 (UTC)

Question with a Book 13 SPOILER... or not??

I've had THE END on my shelf for a year and have just read it, after having read the other 12 plus the unauthorized autobiography. The end of THE END seems to suggest the possibility that Lemony Snicket is actually Mr. Baudelaire (the children's father), who has been presumed dead and traveling under the name "Lemony Snicket," searching for his children but always a few steps behind them.

Besides message boards, is there any literary discussion of this that can be cited, to bring it into this article and the article on THE END? Mooveeguy 17:21, 30 October 2007 (UTC)

Well this is the first time I've heard that. (What exactly suggested that to you?) And it would probably count as original research either way. All I gathered was that Lemony once loved Beatrice, and she went to Bertrand once she believed him dead (due to the false obituary), and that had Violet been a boy she would have been named after him.--CyberGhostface 18:03, 30 October 2007 (UTC)

I sort of figured as much. I guess I'll have to explain my theory in some legitimate publication to cite it. There's a passage (which I've still got to put my finger on) earlier in THE END that talks about people changing names when traveling around in disguise (Lemony Snicket?). Also, I believe the end of THE END is the first place that confirms Beatrice to be the Baudelaires' mother. (I haven't read The Beatrice Letters.) Maybe my mind leapt, but it seems a much zingier ending the way my brain read it (especially after Chapter 13 anticlimactically tells us that things won't be tied up with a bow)... Mooveeguy 17:45, 31 October 2007 (UTC)

Yes, Beatrice is the Baudelaires' mother, but there's nothing to do with Bertrand being Lemony. And if Lemony Snicket was an alias, what about his siblings Kit and Jacques, both who have the Snicket surname?--CyberGhostface 19:21, 31 October 2007 (UTC)

Sorry, but that theory just doesn't stand up to scrutiny. It is a fact of the books - just read The Beatrice Letters, and it's in TMM and I believe TVV as well - that Lemony never married Beatrice, and that Beatrice married someone else. (It wasn't due to the false obituary, though; the false obituary takes place after the orphaning of the Baudelaire children, and Beatrice would hardly be writing Lemony a two-hundred page book about why she couldn't marry him if she believed he was dead. The usual deduction is that The Daily Punctilio printed allegations of arson against Lemony, crimes which were actually committed by Count Olaf.) Add that to the fact that baby Beatrice is Lemony's niece; if Lemony was Bertrand, then he wouldn't be related to the Snicket siblings, and thus not to Beatrice. 143.167.2.11 16:02, 1 November 2007 (UTC)

The point of this theory is that although Lemony Snicket actually exist (hence he has siblings), he was dead and Bertrand assumed his identity after surviving the fire. That's way he search for the Baudelaires while trying to hide his own whereabout pretending to be genuine Lemony Snicket. He would definitely deny it if you could ask him. So I think you can never really know (except there is a hidden message in the books, maybe it's his way to send messages to his children). Anyway, I think it makes sense after all. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Varoot (talk • contribs) 01:56, 9 December 2007 (UTC)

Protect

I want an admin to lock this page because of the vandalism. The setting in the protection should be "edit-autoconfirmed, move-sysop". Dagoth Ur, Mad God (talk) 05:59, 20 May 2008 (UTC)

Missing, Presumed...

This article states that the Baudelaires believed Lemony Snicket to be dead, and bases this statement on the reference in The End to Violet potentially being named Lemony if she had been a boy. It's a minor detail, but couldn't Beatrice and Bertrand have intended to name Violet after the same person that L. himself was named after? The Snickets, remember, have the same family tradition that the Baudelaires did, and the two families had a number of common acquaintances; if the other V.F.D. families also followed the Old Norse system of naming, there could have been scads of Lemonys wandering around before the schism. -Agur bar Jacé (talk) 01:20, 10 November 2008 (UTC)

Well, there's more than just the Baudelaires naming her Lemony that makes people think they are dead, him being assumed dead was also established in the series before (at least with the unauthorized biography). I suppose there's always room for interpretation, but at the moment, anything else would probably constitute as original research.--CyberGhostface (talk) 01:24, 10 November 2008 (UTC)

the lump of coal

is not "upcoming". I own a copy. I haven't worked on this article so I don't know to fix it, but it says that in the opening paragraph. Connör ^(talk) 02:44, 17 December 2008 (UTC)

The Purpose of a Talk Page

This talk page is being abused and used as a fan forum to discuss how people feel about the books and theories about their meaning. This is not the place to do that. This page is for discussing the article that it connects to. If you want to post about your thoughts on the books, their meaning or the mysteries they have left you wondering about, do it elsewhere. This is an encyclopedia, not a forum. -- Matt 86.148.228.131 (talk) 23:47, 15 April 2009 (UTC)

Cleanup Tags

Two cleanup tags have been placed on a section of this article. The section in question is written in a largely in-universe style and also contains far, far too much needless detail. It reads like a fansite, not an encyclopedia. To compound this, large sections of this article lack references, and in-universe facts are given as if they were real-life facts. A lot of work is needed to bring this up to standard, but I regret that I do not know enough about the topic itself to do it myself. I leave it in your capable hands and will be back in a few weeks to check progress. -- Matt 86.148.228.131 (talk) 23:44, 15 April 2009 (UTC)

What Organizations

What Do You mean Daniel Handler wanted to get in Contact with Organizations so he came up with Lemony Snicket, i though he did this to just get Pizza, to mail things and as identitys on the internet, What Organizations and secret organizations did he want to contact? Also show me the link saying he made Lemony Snicket in order to Contact Organiztrions And Secret Organizations! Otherwise This Should Be Deleted!24.7.204.215 (talk) 17:03, 5 September 2009 (UTC)