Talk:India

India as the bigger picture

RRRAD (talk) 18:28, 4 June 2009 (UTC)RRRAD. This is probably more suited in the 'History of India' section but is important here nonetheless. I think that Kingdoms and Empires of India should be mentioned here. What i mean to say is that those countries whose roots and civilisations have found origin in India should be included here and should be stated as such. These could include the Philippines, Tibet, Vietnam, Malayasia, Singapore, Burma(Myanmar), Bhutan, Pakistan, Sri Lanka, Bangladesh, Indonesia and all other countries, particularly from South and Southeast asia and territories, disputed or otherwise that in reality originated from India. For anyone who thinks this is a joke, its not. It is the interpretation of history and influence of other civilisations which have clouded the past and which have played an important role in your judgement against me.

But it seams that India will cut to small states sooner or later due to biased attitude of govt. and cruel Hindus against minorities as already 150 different groups are struggling against govt. for separation therefore no need to mentioned the roots as its size is already reducing (as concluded by facts and figure). —Preceding unsigned comment added by 116.71.19.25 (talk) 18:10, 28 July 2009 (UTC)

India is already many nations. Indian nationalism, which developed against colonial British rule, is weaker as compared to various regional nationalism, which are more realistic and acceptable to the people. I would refer the book 'India-A nation in the making' by Arvind N. Das.Manoj nav (talk) 17:25, 14 August 2009 (UTC)

economy of india

It needs to be updated, most of the information is from 2005 and 2007. I made some changes.(Dewan S. Ahsan 13:29, 24 July 2009 (UTC)) Also I made some changes in the beginning of the India section by adding other aspects of the Indian civilization.

Inclusion of other territories of India

Note: I have moved this discussion to the India noticeboard talkpage, since it is off-topic here. Please continue any discussion there. Abecedare (talk) 17:32, 11 June 2009 (UTC)

Sex Trade In India

I know this isn't the brightest attribute of India (and many other countries), but having the largest sex trade in all of Asia, I think some information regarding that fact should be edited onto the India page. Considering there are nearly 200,000 young and usually underage Nepalese women and girls in India right now being forced into prostitution, I think they deserve a voice. By putting information on this page regarding that we could help them by letting the world know that such suffering exists in India and maybe more people would seek out to help them. I know I have. Perhaps also putting information on those attempting to aid this problem. Non-profit organizations spearheading forced prostitution and brothels for example; as this would give people not only a reason to offer help, but the means as well.

Just my two cents.. Wikipedia spreads all sorts of knowledge but I think it can also be used to help fix the worlds problems by shinning much needed light onto them.

JordenBryer (talk) 00:49, 11 June 2009 (UTC)

Yes it is an important issue, but this article which tries to summarize all aspects of the huge country is not the suitable place for it. It should be covered in Prostitution in India and possibly Women in India - feel free to contribute to those articles and remember to cite your sources of information. Secondly note that we don't attempt to use wikipedia as a platform to address the world's problem, no matter how noble we consider the goal to be. We try to present notable information dispassionately and let the readers reach their own conclusions. See the links I have left in the message on your talk page. Cheers. Abecedare (talk) 00:57, 11 June 2009 (UTC)

Thank you for that great information. JordenBryer (talk) 01:26, 11 June 2009 (UTC)

Rabindranath Tagore's name written as "Rabindranath Thakur" when the page is viewed in German(Deutsch) language.

Kindly take necessary actions Thanks

Shouldn't this issue be brought up with on the German Wikipedia (dewiki), specifically Rabindranath Tagore's page instead of India on the English version? It is probably best to notify the equivalent of Wikiproject India there, even in English if you can't speak German because there is bound to be at least a few editors who could understand English. Gizza^{Discuss ©} 12:09, 25 June 2009 (UTC)

Some Indians, specifically people in West Bengal pronounce the name as Rabindranath Thakur. It is perfectly valid. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 203.212.232.208 (talk) 20:28, 17 July 2009 (UTC)

Indian Famines

I edited about Indian famines in the history section. Since perhaps tens of millions died during the British era famines, I think that is worth mentioning. Editingman (talk)

I think that is useful information and source, and can be added (with greater details) to Famine in India; Famines, epidemics, and public health in the British Raj; and possibly in the British Raj article. However the information is undue in this article, which deals with (post-independence) Republic of India. Abecedare (talk) 17:25, 25 June 2009 (UTC)

I do not see it. The article really 'deals with (post-independence) republic of india'? The history section I edited in describes the whole Indian history. Editingman (talk)

I agree that the famines were important and huge but don't think the sentence fits in with the rest of the article. It would go in the British Raj para but, since there is no other detail about the Raj, this one detail stands out as WP:UNDUE. (I reverted Editingman's addition because it would be better to discuss it first here and seek consensus.) --RegentsPark (sticks and stones) 23:55, 25 June 2009 (UTC)

It shouldn't be included because it is WP:UNDUE...there are several calamities that have taken the lives of thousands in India - famines being just one of the them. Many lives are also unfortunately lost because of monsoons, droughts, heatwaves, cold waves, earthquakes, etc. This would, however, imo be beyond the scope of this mainspace article. AreJay (talk) 02:13, 26 June 2009 (UTC)

Famines have occoured even before the British came and even after they have left. Althoug I must say that with India becomming self-sufficient in foodgrain production and the tons of grains stored( or rotting ) in FCI godowns, the chances of a famine are rare now. If I remeber, there were a number of AfDs last year for a string of articles with titles such as Victorian Holocaust and British Indian holocaust etc which focused on the same source and dubbed it as unreliable. --Deepak D'Souza 04:32, 26 June 2009 (UTC)

Undue. Famines were common in most countries in teh old days. Especially with such a large population in India (are these stats inclusive of the pre-partition India?) YellowMonkey (cricket calendar poll!) paid editing=POV 04:39, 26 June 2009 (UTC)

According to B.M. Bhatia's "Famines in India: A study in Some Aspects of the Economic History of India with Special Reference to Food Problem"(1985), there were disproportionately more famines in British India than at any other time in its history.(The rate was 25 times more). That parts of the government had a role to play in the famine in the name of free trade, as in the Irish famine, is widely unknown and perhaps debatable but that does not make it a fringe theory. Thus, mentioning government policy killing tens of millions is going to be due weight, it would be not unlike having the history section of Germany or Poland without the holocaust, a disaster they suffered that killed far less. Editingman (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 03:22, 30 June 2009 (UTC).

Nevertheless, this has no place in the main article on India. Not only is it WP:UNDUE but also there is no place in a summary article to present the various causes of famines. --RegentsPark (sticks and stones) 14:53, 30 June 2009 (UTC)

What makes somebody claim that Bharadhanatyam is not exclusive to Tamil Nadu ?

Hey there are many points ablout Bharadhantyam in Tamil epic Chilapadhikaram which predates any written literature in Kannada.Just because Bharathanatyam is the most wide spread Classical dance in India ,it doesn't mean Bharadhantyam is not exclusive to Tamil nadu (arun1paladinArun1paladin (talk) 12:39, 30 June 2009 (UTC))

Refer this http://www.britannica.com/EBchecked/topic/64017/bharata-natyam —Preceding unsigned comment added by Arun1paladin (talk • contribs) 12:46, 30 June 2009 (UTC)

Wrong info about poverty

85.7% of the population was living on less than $2.50 (PPP) a day in 2005, compared with 80.5% for Sub-Saharan Africa.[108]- This information is wrong, please check and correct. It should be below 40%. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Bimgeorge (talk • contribs) 01:43, 10 July 2009 (UTC)

That is in accordance with the source. Note that the poverty line is at $1.08 and about 40% are below the poverty line in India. I'm not sure why the article chooses to highlight the $2.50 level rather than the poverty line - I don't think the $2.50 figure has any meaning. --RegentsPark (sticks and stones) 02:13, 10 July 2009 (UTC)

As RegentsPark says. the $2.50 figure was correct but arbitrary, since that corresponds to neither the Indian, nor the World Bank standard.

The $1.08 was the World Bank's 1993 poverty line. World Bank's new standard is $1.25 in 2005 prices (which is not equivalent to the old figure; see page 11 of the the paper). I have corrected the first sentence of the paragraph according, and removed the comparison to Bangladesh and Nepal, since (1) it was not supported by the source and (2) would be undue in this page anyway. Abecedare (talk) 02:33, 10 July 2009 (UTC)

India page without any Picture of Hindu temple?

While India is known for its Hindu temples and their architecture worldwide, this page didn't care to add even one picture of Hindu temple. Putting aside respective ideologies of editors here, none can deny Hindu temples are soul of Indian religious life. How can we try to hide that?

There are two pics of Lotus temple!! I suggest replacing the second one with Hindu temple picture. Holy Ganga ^talk 11:25, 17 July 2009 (UTC)

Perhaps a picture of Akshardham might work? With regards, Anupam^Talk 12:09, 17 July 2009 (UTC)

I suggest to replace one of the lotus temples with Kandariya Mahadeva temple.203.212.232.208 (talk) 20:32, 17 July 2009 (UTC)

Any picture of a famous temple would do the job.Arjun (talk) 14:38, 18 July 2009 (UTC)

Note that the images in the Culture section are on a image rotation and the choice includes an images of Akshardham Temple, Konark temple, and a statue of Shiva. Abecedare (talk) 17:37, 18 July 2009 (UTC)

Still NO HINDU TEMPLE PICTURE? Holy Ganga ^talk 17:00, 12 August 2009 (UTC)

I too support the image of a Hindu Tempale on Idian page on rotation basis --Sandeepsp4u (talk) 07:40, 20 August 2009 (UTC)

what is the outcome of this discussion ? Is there any improvement made been done about changing the pictures of culture section ?--Sandeepsp4u (talk) 06:33, 21 August 2009 (UTC)

About the President and PM

Under the Government type in the front page for India, aren't you just supposed to put the President and Prime Minister. Why would you need the VP and Chief Justice? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.62.224.107 (talk) 19:28, 25 July 2009 (UTC)

I think the chief justice is included as the most senior representative of the judiciary. The VP is less obvious; perhaps one can argue that he is representing the legislative branch as the chairman of the Rajya Sabha. The issue is minor so I won't remove these from the infobox myself, but won't object either if someone else decides to do so. Abecedare (talk) 18:42, 28 July 2009 (UTC)

is a strange question. The IP should explain why he doesnt like VP and Chief Justice there? --L I C 18:45, 28 July 2009 (UTC)

No question is too strange :-). I got rid of the VP, it is not really an important post. I think the chief justice should also go because the judiciary is not technically in the job of governing.--RegentsPark (sticks and stones) 18:50, 28 July 2009 (UTC)

It's not too uncommon to have the above stuff in the article. It's included in United States, the speaker is also included in that page; same case with Pakistan, but not so with England or United Kingdom. From a logical perspective, it does make sense, as like in the US, the Judiciary, Legislature and Executive are the three branches of the government with distinct responsibilities. -SpacemanSpiff^{Calvin‡Hobbes} 19:14, 28 July 2009 (UTC)

True (about the chief justice). I don't think that the VP has an important role to play in India but will defer to whatever you guys think is appropriate. --RegentsPark (sticks and stones) 03:13, 29 July 2009 (UTC)

Jammu & Kasmir shortened?

The entire Jammu and Kashmir belongs to India and no other Country can even touch it. Just draw the map to its original one. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 122.183.242.98 (talk) 21:05, 28 July 2009 (UTC)

Etymology of India

I want to add in the etymology section that the name Bharat was derived from the name Bharata the son of King Dushyanta. The information is already there in wiki under Emperor Bharata category. So if there are no concerns I will make the edit after a day or two. Manohar.sram (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 18:36, 31 July 2009 (UTC).

Made the above change. Manohar.sram (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 18:12, 2 August 2009 (UTC).

Alexander

Where is Alexander the Great in this article? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.105.128.38 (talk) 18:52, 4 August 2009 (UTC)

First century B.C. & A.D.

Wherever I read, Indian history seems to jump from Asoka to Gupta. What was happening from (say) 100 B.C. to 100 A.D.? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 203.42.142.2 (talk) 04:12, 18 August 2009 (UTC)

Image in History Section

I would suggest to rotate the both image in History section as there are many historical facts about india which are very famous and have lots of images for the same. Moreover i would alos suggest to rotate the image showing Gandhi Ji as there were many gr8 incident in Indian Independence so i think we must show them aslso. --Sandeepsp4u (talk) 07:40, 20 August 2009 (UTC)

Not again! this thing has already been discussed twice over. Please dont keep repeating the same thing all over again. --Deepak D'Souza 08:09, 20 August 2009 (UTC)

what was the outcome of the discussion please let me know and why can't we discusse this again is there any ruel of Wiki stoping this discussion ?.--Sandeepsp4u (talk) 06:28, 21 August 2009 (UTC)

Didnt you read it? You should have. --Deepak D'Souza 07:30, 21 August 2009 (UTC)

I request you to pelase give me the location of that discussion which happened earlier regarding this issue. --Sandeepsp4u (talk) 08:23, 21 August 2009 (UTC)

I think Deepak is referring to this previous where your contention regarding Gandhi's importance relative to other freedom fighters was discussed.

The current image depicts Gandhi and Nehru who were the most notable actors in Indian history in the decades preceding and following Indian independence. In that sense it is hard to better. But there are other images with similar subject matter, for example this one that not only depict the two, but is also higher quality and was taken at the 1942 AICC session where the Quit India Movement was launched. There are other options available at commons, for example in this and this category. We can even go with a documentary video, though that may raise accessibility issues. Did you have a particular image in mind ? If so, bring it up here and briefly describe why it would be a good candidate. Abecedare (talk) 09:00, 21 August 2009 (UTC)

I think the documentary video is the best since we can actually hear him speak and see what he did and how he led the people. A video is worth a thousand pictures. Nikkul (talk) 04:02, 22 August 2009 (UTC)

This photo is very nice. Nikkul (talk) 04:05, 22 August 2009 (UTC)

Thnaks for your suggestion and guidence. But how can one say that only M.K.Gandhi and Nehru were responsible for the indian independence. We can't compare any one's secrifice and if yes then please let me know how ? There are lots of people like Bal Ganga Dhar Tilak, Subhash Chandra Bose, Sardar Patel, etc etc.. Even we can think about M.K.Gandhi but Nehru was not grater or more prominent among in compare with the name i had suggested. Please think over it--Sandeepsp4u (talk) 06:05, 22 August 2009 (UTC)

There are billions of people who have made India what it is today. Each person who has lived in India has contributed to what India is today. But we can't include all their photos here. Nehru and Gandhi took the lead role in freeing India. When you think of India and History, Gandhi is the first person who comes around and then Nehru. Nikkul (talk) 20:49, 22 August 2009 (UTC)

Nikkul I agree on Gandhi but not on Nehru Sardar Patel was more then him. How can you compare all with the contribution of Subhahs, Tilak etc do u think that contribution is less then the nehru and if u think that then i think we need to discusses on this --Sandeepsp4u (talk) 07:43, 23 August 2009 (UTC)

As the first Prime Minister of India, Nehru's contributions as PM, good or bad, have changed modern India forever. Like him or hate him, Nehru's image does deserve to be there. --Deepak D'Souza 08:35, 25 August 2009 (UTC)

Deepak That's ur POV about Nehru but its not general thinking about Nehru. I think we must discusses about this if you want.--Sandeepsp4u (talk) 07:30, 26 August 2009 (UTC)

Not here. Gnanapiti (talk) 16:47, 26 August 2009 (UTC)

Hmm.. let me see: If I say that Nehru's image deserves to be here, it is POV. But if you say that Nehru's contributions were less than X,Y,Z, it is not POV?? --Deepak D'Souza 09:19, 26 August 2009 (UTC)

Deepak ya i am correct becuase u are only promoting whome u liks and that's nehru but i am promoting all x,y,z. What do u say now ?--Sandeepsp4u (talk) 10:56, 26 August 2009 (UTC)

Er, no. In addition to being recognized for his contributions to the independence movement, he was also India's first PM, and that provides significant reason for his picture being up there. Also, please note that Wikipedia is not a soapbox to correct perceived wrongs. -SpacemanSpiff^{Calvin‡Hobbes} 17:17, 26 August 2009 (UTC)

Nice joke my friend then u must put the picture of first president of India, the Constitution writter of india etc etc.. Please read my sentence carefully i am not neglecting him i am just asking that how one can compare the amount of contribution so to justify every secrifice few more pictures must be included.--Sandeepsp4u (talk) 07:42, 27 August 2009 (UTC)

Any objections to replacing by in the History section ? The latter picture is of higher image quality and was taken at a specific historic moment (the 1942 Congress session, where the Quit India resolution was adopted, which can be mentioned in the caption). The basic subject matter is the same so there is no POV/UNDUE issue raised by this change. Abecedare (talk) 23:06, 1 September 2009 (UTC)

Either image works. The second one is of better quality, but the first is a better picture IMHO. -SpacemanSpiff^{Calvin‡Hobbes} 00:05, 2 September 2009 (UTC)

Ill give the second image a plus point for quality. --Deepak D'Souza 07:18, 7 September 2009 (UTC)

I still support the rotation of image in this section. I am opposing this move as its same as was earlier. There must be rotation of image in history section of as indian history is evolved around Nehru Gandhi it is much longer then that. I think we are only showing the 60 yrs history by this picture. If we try to rotate the image with various others then only the history section will be justified.--Sandeepsp4u (talk) 10:30, 7 September 2009 (UTC)

support 1942 image. Better quality. --Redtigerxyz ^Talk 14:48, 7 September 2009 (UTC)

I also support the second Image (1942). Much better quality than the first one. Gandhi and Nehru are more clearly visible in the second image. Good idea to replace it. Kensplanet^T_C 15:55, 7 September 2009 (UTC)

Largest cities of India

Do we need the template {{Largest cities of India}} in the Demographics section of this article, and if so what version is preferred ?

• Compact version without images: [1]
• Version with 3 skyline/iconic images: [2]
• Version with even more images: [3]

The template, especially with the images, adds considerable bloat to the article and is almost as large as some other sections. The images are completely decorative, since there is insufficient room in the template to even add a caption explaining what is being shown. Also the Lotus Temple image in the template is repeated in the cultural section image rotation; consequently on some days we diplay the same image twice in this article.
The template is trsncluded into this article and is not used anywhere else; attempts to reduce or remove images from the template are regularly reverted - most recently by User:Nikkul. Can other editors comment on what they prefer and consider encyclopedic ?
My opinion is that either the template should not be used at all since we can provide more useful information more compactly through text (eg, "India has X number of cities with population over 10 million, Y number over 1 million ... " The article already says, "India's largest cities are Mumbai, Delhi, Kolkata, Chennai, Bangalore, Hyderabad and Ahmedabad."); and if it is to be used, it should not be bloated with decorative content. Abecedare (talk) 13:47, 21 August 2009 (UTC)

I think the template is hideous and ungainly and shouldn't be in the article. My thoughts:

• If the purpose of the section is to provide detail on the population of the 20 largest cities in India, I would submit that this is probably WP:UNDUE as far as the Demographics section is concerned.
• The images dumb-down the article and have zero encyclopedic value. Nowhere in the India article are "downtown Mumbai", the "Lotus Temple" or "downtown Bangalore" discussed. So what's the point of including these images? If I had to pick one monument or structure to represent Delhi, the Lotus Temple would not be it. Neither would UB City be representative of Bangalore.
• The title of the template is confusing to the average reader, who may be unable to distinguish the concepts of "largest municipality" vs. "largest urban agglomeration". This template basically highlights India's 20 largest municipalities, while the average reader more than likely takes the term "city" (especially in the context of "20 largest cities") to mean "urban agglomeration". There is considerable difference between India's 20 largest municipalities and 20 largest urban agglomerations, both in terms of population and relative rank. I am opposed to this template.

AreJay (talk) 17:54, 21 August 2009 (UTC)

Agree, the template is distracting and the current pictures aren't exactly the best choices either (in the earlier rev, Chennai pic was the railway station!), but even if the pictures were good choices, the structure of the template doesn't fit well within the article. Prose on the number of cities with greater than X million population and the largest should suffice. A link to a list of cities and their population, area, density, GDP etc might be useful once that list is created. -SpacemanSpiff^{Calvin‡Hobbes} 18:47, 21 August 2009 (UTC)

So many country articles on Wikipedia have this same template with thumbnails of two major cities. Why shouldn't India? This is an encyclopedia- meaning that similar articles should be uniform! This is not a MySpace, where each page is customizable as we like. We must strive to create a uniform encyclopedia where similar pages are uniform.

Pakistan, USA, China, Brazil, Australia, Mexico, Russia, Canada, Argentina, Ukraine, UK, Azerbaijan, Bangladesh, Bulgaria, Iran, Malaysia, Netherlands, North Korea, Turkey, Japan, South Korea, Philippines, etc. ALL have this same template. Why shouldn't India have the same template?

I support having two images in that template. We can change the way we define "city" if you want, but I think this template helps the usual reader learn about India's main cities. Keep in mind that the usual reader does NOT analyze the "bloat" of an article. There are sooo many featured country articles which have larger sections and much more information about each individual aspect of the country (Infrastructure, Language, Religion, TV & Broadcasting, Heritage Sites, Education, Science, Tourism, etc.) Saying that this template makes this page bloated is ridiculous. Please have a look at the Germany, Japan, or Israel pages! Nikkul (talk) 00:32, 22 August 2009 (UTC)

This is an encyclopedia- meaning that similar articles should be uniform! Is this your opinion or a reflection of Wikipedia policy? If all articles should be uniform, can you explain why Wikipedia has article assessment classes? It's interesting that you bring up MySpace because my own reaction to seeing that garish table in the article was that the table belonged on MySpace and not on Wikipedia. So many country articles on Wikipedia have this same template with thumbnails of two major cities. Why shouldn't India? isn't a half convincing argument. So many Wikipedia articles have poor grammar and POV. Why shouldn't India? AreJay (talk) 00:56, 22 August 2009 (UTC)

To add: Other stuff exists is not a good argument; its more productive to discuss encyclopedic value and due weight. Nikkul, can you address the substantive issues AreJay, SpacemanSpiff and I raised above ? For example:

• Why is listing populations of 20 cities upto with a false precision of 7/8 significant digits due in this summary style article ?
• How does slapping on a random images and labeling them "Delhi", "Mumbai" etc serve any encyclopedic purpose ? What understanding or information is the reader supposed to gain from those decorative images, without even knowing what they depict.

Abecedare (talk) 01:31, 22 August 2009 (UTC)

AreJay, you clearly do not understand what I'm saying. I am saying that the FORMAT of similar articles should be the same. If there's a common template that many country articles use, then we should include that on the India page to keep uniformity.

If all articles should be uniform, can you explain why Wikipedia has article assessment classes? If you are saying that all articles do not have to be uniform, then can you explain why country articles follow the same format (History, Government, Economy, Culture, etc)? If each country article had its own way of doing things, the USA page would start with Military, the Japan page would start with Economy, the Sweden page would start with Healthcare, and the Canada page would start with a section on Hockey. There is a reason we have uniformity in encyclopedic articles.

Please go read World Book or Encyclopedia Britannica. You will see that every article has the same tables the same sections, and the same format. That's what makes an encyclopedia. Nikkul (talk) 02:00, 22 August 2009 (UTC)

Again, is this bit about uniformity your opinion or Wikipedia policy? If it is policy, I am compelled (at least in the short term) to accept it; if it is your opinion, I don't have to accept it. The distinction is necessary. I don't want to get caught up with semantics, but feel the distinction needed to be made - especially given how you've made your point in bold above. That's besides the point. Per Abecedare, please address the substantive issues that this user, SpacemanSpiff and I have raised in your subsequent reply. AreJay (talk) 02:21, 22 August 2009 (UTC)

Any responses to this, or are am I to take it that there is consensus to remove the template from the article? AreJay (talk) 07:33, 29 August 2009 (UTC)

Yes, that appears to be consensus. When you do that, please add the prose too. I'll look for the appropriate list of cities to link, if there isn't any, I'll create one. -SpacemanSpiff^{Calvin‡Hobbes} 17:54, 29 August 2009 (UTC)

As per the above discussion, I have removed the template and added content about the urban-rural population. Interestingly, despite common perception, the urban share of India's population has not increased dramatically post-independence (it has gone up from ~17% in 1951 to 27% in 2001); however the concentration in the large cities (as opposed to small and medium towns) has increased significantly (see [4]).
Also, the article stated previously (without any source) that "in recent decades migration to larger cities has led to a dramatic increase in the country's urban population." I thought that too, but that reasoning turns out to be a urban legend (couldn't resist!) - the "natural increase" in the existing population, rather than migration, is the most significant contributor to urban population growth (see last para on page 116 and Table 6.5; I saw other references about this too). Just another example of why simply including what we think is right is so risky.
Feel free to copyedit, trim or otherwise improve my addition. Cheers. Abecedare (talk) 22:58, 1 September 2009 (UTC)

Ajanta Image Replacement

I think the Ajanta image needs to be replaced. India has a rich history and the Ajanta image just does not satisfy. It is unclear, irrelevant, and unnecessary.

Are there any other candidates images? Nikkul (talk) 01:04, 24 August 2009 (UTC)

Well, I think the Ajanta Image is basically included since it is a featured picture :) Kensplanet^T_C 15:58, 7 September 2009 (UTC)

small-car export hub

I disagree with the Nano immage summary:

Firstly, I totally disagree with this statement :"India's strong engineering base and expertise ". It is a personal opinion. None of the refs say that. And that is true only if you count the number of engineering graduates passing out. Quality wise India's engineering talents are hardly world-beating. Really, think about it: what percentage of your PC is Indian in origin? And what Indian product (apart from Nano) does the world talk about? I dont know any.

For the second part :India as a small-car hub

1. This link is a blog of questionable reliability:[5]. The title says "India a car export hub.." but the text doesnt.
2. This link[6] says: India is becomming a hub, not that it is already one.
3. This link [7] also says "India is becoming a small-car manufacturing " not that it is one.

--Deepak D'Souza 14:16, 25 August 2009 (UTC)

Thanks for bringing this up Deepak, I was going to bring it up yesterday, but completely forgot. This bit is entirely POV, and treats the future is bright statements as representing the past and present. In addition, while the Nano is a good product, it is not representative of the Indian economy, the section where it is placed. If at all, a business house like the Tatas should be out there, not a car that is being talked about but hasn't yet become a significant player in the world market. -SpacemanSpiff^{Calvin‡Hobbes} 15:49, 25 August 2009 (UTC)

I went ahead and made changes to the POV sentence. Gnanapiti (talk) 17:52, 25 August 2009 (UTC)

I also removed the unnecessary statement about patents from the caption - filing is not the same as holding (the ref only supports filing) and reformatted the refs, removing the link to the wordpress blog etc. However, I still hold that this picture doesn't belong there, the auto industry is a rather small part of the Indian economy and is not representative of the section. -SpacemanSpiff^{Calvin‡Hobbes} 16:48, 27 August 2009 (UTC)

True. I think the BSE image is sufficient. The Nano image would be more appropritate if there was some section on Engineering and Industry. How about a GDP chart or something lieke that?--Deepak D'Souza 11:51, 28 August 2009 (UTC)

Concur, I believe one image is sufficient for the section and BSE is the best choice for that; this is not a picture book. That said, if we need another image, I agree with your suggestion that a GDP chart would be a better choice. -SpacemanSpiff^{Calvin‡Hobbes} 15:13, 28 August 2009 (UTC)

Indian Government e-portal or e-services

This section introduces you to the Government of India, its origin, and the governance process being followed in the Country. Also it gets you to know "Who's Who", the Policies and Schemes offered by the Government.

Go to explore india and its e-services for home and overseas citizens

[ http://www.india.gov.in]

The ancient land of India portrays a landscape of vibrant cultural heritage and spiritual mysticism. This particular section takes you to a journey through the fascinating lanes of the country, which reflect its numerous national traits.