User talk:Jayjg/Archive 38

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WP:ANI

Greetings Jay. Some of your recent contributions are being discussed here in light of your topic ban. Heads-up,  Skomorokh  15:20, 2 September 2009 (UTC)

And here: [1]...Modernist (talk) 18:33, 2 September 2009 (UTC)

Note that discussion closed quickly. See discussion of that at User_talk:Sandstein#Premature_closure_of_AE_request.3F. CarolMooreDC (talk) 12:51, 3 September 2009 (UTC)

We've discussed this before, but in light of the recent AE/ANI discussions, I want to reiterate that I think it would be a good idea that when you are editing in areas which approach proscribed areas, even if they are not acrually proscribed themselves, to use talk pages more. There is nothing wrong with making a comment on the talk page of an article and then dropping some Wikipedia:Canvassing#Friendly_notices. I understand that the restrictions prevent discussions on talk pages of proscribed articles, but we are talking non-proscribed articles here, which are close to the boundary, so using the talk pages and wikiproject noticeboards, while leading to less immediate results, will help everyone involved appreciate the measures that we all are taking to simultaneously minimize drama yet ensure accuracy on these issue. Feel free to ignore me . -- Avi (talk) 16:58, 4 September 2009 (UTC)

So you are saying that no one should have left any messages here but elsewhere? Confused. CarolMooreDC (talk) 04:25, 5 September 2009 (UTC)

I think Avi's comment was addressed to Jayjg, not to you, Carolmooredc. ☺Coppertwig (talk) 14:52, 5 September 2009 (UTC)

C-Twig is correct, Carol; sorry about the confusion. -- Avi (talk) 00:50, 6 September 2009 (UTC)

Rename

I suggested renaming Unification Church antisemitism controversy to "Divine Principle antisemitism controversy." Please give you opinion on the talk page if you like.Steve Dufour (talk) 18:57, 6 September 2009 (UTC)

or merge

I just suggested merging Unification Church antisemitism controversy to American Jewish Committee, since that is the main subject of the article. Please comment on the AJC talk page, if you like. Steve Dufour (talk) 18:08, 8 September 2009 (UTC)

and delete

Please see Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Unification Church antisemitism controversy (2nd nomination).Steve Dufour (talk) 18:53, 8 September 2009 (UTC)

If you don't want to get involved I understand. Thanks for trying to help. Steve Dufour (talk) 07:07, 9 September 2009 (UTC)

Not COI, sorry, but

the banned 7 are banned from touching on articles in the I/P area, or conflict, broadly interpreted. The reason I recuse myself and suggest all others withdraw, is because that article contains the following clear references to the I/P conflict

(1)Kramer believes that contemporary antisemitism is due only partially to Israeli policies,

(2) Schweitzer and Perry argue that there are two general views of the status of Jews under Islam, the traditional "golden age" and the revisionist "persecution and pogrom" interpretations. The former was first promulgated by Jewish historians in the 19th century as a rebuke of the Christian treatment of Jews, and taken up by Arab Muslims after 1948 as "an Arab-Islamist weapon in what is primarily an ideological and political struggle against Israel".

(3)Most scholars agree that antisemitism increased in the Muslim world during modern times. While Bernard Lewis and Uri Avnery date the rise of antisemitism to the establishment of Israel,

(4) Scholars point out European influence, including that of Nazis, and the establishment of Israel as the root causes for antisemitism

(5)M. Klein suggests that, unlike European antisemitism, Arab antisemitism "is not distinguished by personal animosity towards Jews, nor do publications stress Judaism as an internal threat, to the majority population. This is basically political, ideological, intellectual, and literary antisemitism that focuses on the external threat which the State of Israel represents for the Arab countries...".

(6) (See whole section). Al-Husayni secretly met the German Consul-General near the Dead Sea in 1933 and expressed his approval of the anti-Jewish boycott in Germany and asked him not to send any Jews to Palestine.

(7) Iraq initially forbade the emigration of its Jews after the 1948 war on the grounds that allowing them to go to Israel would strengthen that state, but they were allowed to emigrate again after 1950, if they agreed to forgo their assets.[101]

(8) In an editorial in The Guardian in January 2006, Khaled Meshaal, the chief of Hamas's political bureau denied antisemitism, on Hamas' part, and said that the nature of Israeli-Palestinian conflict was not religious but political. He also said that Hamas has "no problem with Jews who have not attacked us."

(9) In 2000, Muslims attacked synagogues in retaliation for damage done to their Muslim brethren in the Palestinian territories.

(10) Naveed Afzal Haq shot six women, one fatally, at the Jewish Federation of Greater Seattle building in the Belltown neighborhood of Seattle, Washington, United States. He shouted, "I'm a Muslim American; I'm angry at Israel", before he began his shooting spree.

(11) We do not treat the Jews as our enemies just because they occupied Palestine, or because they occupied a precious part of our Arab and Islamic world. We will treat the Jews as our enemies even if they return Palestine to us, because they are infidels.

(12) They have nuclear power, but we have the power of the belief in Allah... We blow them up in Hadera, we blow them up in Tel Aviv and in Netanya

(13) Look at the bestiality they demonstrate in the destruction of the Arab, Lebanese, and Palestinian people

Well. I recuse myself. I hope you consider this carefully. Nishidani (talk) 13:34, 11 September 2009 (UTC)

Looking for official help

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Florida_State_Seminoles_football#Uniform_Combinations There is debate about whether to show every possible combination of FSU uniforms or just the ones that have been used. Basically this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Fsuunis.jpg versus this http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:ACC-Uniform-combination-FSU.PNG User Kevin W claims that he is seeking "uniformity" with other college football pages that show every possibly combination, without regard for their actual use. I disagree and so has a fellow contributor to the page. Why show combinations that have not and will not be used? I remember you being a contributor to the page and I am asking for more input and help as others are now agreeing with me but Kevin won't stop. you've helped settle disputes I've been involved in in the past, so that's why I'm looking to you. Thanks.AriGold (talk)