Talk:Escape the Fate

This band may seem not notable to the average wiki editor, but I assure you they are. Please do some research on the band before you decide to delete them. Their popularity has exploded within the last few months. I was very surprised to find that Wikipedia did not have a page on them yet. Recently they were singed to Epitaph Records and their EP is sellign extremely well as proved on the Smartpunk website. Avenged Evanfold 20:54, 14 June 2006 (UTC)

Citation for Emo?

Okay as much as I believe they are pretty much an emo band, I think we should get a citation added in the genres section, emo is a silly theory, but it shouldn't be too hard to get some proof. thanks guys --Casket56 (talk) 07:06, 27 November 2008 (UTC)

Personally, I think "Emo" is a pretty useless term, but since you ask for a citation: AMG lists the band as Emo. See the boxes on the left side at http://allmusic.com/cg/amg.dll?p=amg&sql=10:hcfyxqedld0e where it indicates an Escape the Fate record is Pop/Rock, Post-Hardcore, and Emo. SlubGlub (talk) 18:08, 15 June 2009 (UTC)

Escape The Fate Emo?

Come on guys if this band is emo every alternative band with a vocalist with an "emo" haircut should be considered that way. Is very important to check things and sources before post them (believe me I have expierence in this subject and some of my early posts or quotes have been erased for the same reason). Before making a sentece of that type is very importan to know the difrences between a genre and a scene made by music companies to sell records to the Kids. If you want to know what bands are Emo please check the article and you will see bands as Sunny Day Real Estate, Dashboard Confessional or bands more contemporaries like Jimmy Eat World and Taking Back Sunday who have indie influences. The Scene that some people call Emo or Screamo is just an invention of music enterprises and it seems that every new band that comes out has to be considered emo. If things continue this way our grandsons will call The Beatles an Emo Band. Just for the record I don't hate "emo kids" or the "scene" in general but the confusion and genre-mixing caused by de ignorance of the media only brings hate comments for every one who listen this type of bands and music(Escape The Fate, A Day to Remember, Bullet For My Valentine, Funeral For A Friend, Four Year Strong, Silverstein, The Devil Wears Prada,BMTH,etc. These are not emo bands. In fact they are listen for the people in the "scene" but these bands are in other genres and styles(Post-Hardcore, Metalcore, Deathcore, even Pop Punk). Well that's pretty much all I wanted to say. Resuming: Escape The Fate is not an Emo Band --Locopunkie (talk) 21:14, 30 May 2009 (UTC)

See the boxes on the left side at http://allmusic.com/cg/amg.dll?p=amg&sql=10:hcfyxqedld0e where it indicates an Escape the Fate record is Pop/Rock, Post-Hardcore, and Emo. If you want to submit corrections/feedback to AMG on that entry, its corrections/feedback form is at http://allmusic.com/cg/amg.dll?p=amg&sql=10:hcfyxqedld0e~T5. Otherwise, I wouldn't be too hard on Wikipedia editors who defer to a reliable source on what is and is not emo. SlubGlub (talk) 18:17, 15 June 2009 (UTC)

Ok man y did what you recomend me to do. I hope that allmusic checks on their sources and makes the corrections so the wikipedia editors can make their own on the article. Otherwise is good to know that I'm not the only one who thinks that the term EMO is very vague and useless. Thanks again --Locopunkie (talk) 19:49, 11 July 2009 (UTC)

these guys arent emo they are just goths —Preceding unsigned comment added by Bobsagetyourface (talk • contribs) 20:51, 6 September 2009 (UTC)

Content

Perhaps you could provide some content for the article then, before someone trigger-happy slaps a speedy on it? Dweller 21:03, 14 June 2006 (UTC)

Hey bring back my article, I want it back, I didnt even get a chance to defenc myself! Did i not just nake it clear that they are new, have very little work produced, btu are hugely popular? JUST a myspace? Is Tila Tequila JUST a myspace account? Dont mess aroudn when I ask you not to mess aroudn with things you dont understand! Avenged Evanfold 21:04, 14 June 2006 (UTC)

Seriously, I dont even know who deleted it, bring it back right now and explain YOURSELF! Dont delete articles and then dissapear like a sneaky little... forget it, I'll just recreate it. Avenged Evanfold 21:07, 14 June 2006 (UTC)

? It's still there. As explained above, I didn't put a tag on it. Dweller 21:08, 14 June 2006 (UTC)

(it was recreated) AE: Work the process. Ask a sympathetic admin to restore it to your userspace and work on it, citing verifiable sources, to establish notability, and once you've had some non involved people look at it and say they think it would pass, de-userify it back to article space. Note, if you apologise to Allison and stop demanding undeletion I will happily userify it if asked politely on my talk page. OR... take it to DRV and make your case that it should be undeleted and taken through AfD. But storming around won't help you or your case. And whatever you do, don't recreate speedy deleted content without involving others, admins first. Work politely and civilly... you may achieve what you want. OR... continue storming around and get a block for your trouble. Your choice. ++Lar: t/c 21:50, 14 June 2006 (UTC)

forget about it, ill just rewrite it later, she doesnt care. im not gonna swear because you all want to pretend youre so smart and above that. so hee it is, delete this page if you have the authority and then i'll bring it back later.Avenged Evanfold 21:55, 14 June 2006 (UTC)

Okay i made the article again, and you cant delete it because they have an allmusic entry, among other reasons for notability. Avenged Evanfold 16:56, 15 June 2006 (UTC)

Why is Omar removed from the article as a member? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 219.88.47.250 (talk) 08:14, 1 October 2007 (UTC)

I believe it was suggested that you work in your userspace. Please review our music notability guidelines. Having an allmusic entry is not necessarily evidence of notability. Which of the criteria does this band satisfy? I'll hold off on actually nominating this for deletion for a little bit, to give you time to put that info into the article, but I can't promise others won't. ++Lar: t/c 05:18, 19 June 2006 (UTC)

There is something wrong...at the end of the article there is something about ronnie having a sexual relation with a dog in order to be accepted back in the band or something...someone fix it. Bye. 213.140.21.231 18:01, 21 March 2007 (UTC)

Why didn't YOU fix it? You made other edits. But, anyway, I guess I'll have to remove it, also please stop removing the part about Ronnie leaving the band. It is true, just look at the official MySpace. ╦ﺇ₥₥€Ԋ(^talk/_contribs) 21:46, 20 December 2007 (UTC)

That's not valid. The Myspace page was created by the band, so therefore it isn't a 3rd party source.Spencer Divonn'io The Glorious. You'll see me in History someday. 04:22, 4 February 2009 (UTC)

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References

I've added the {{refimprove}} tag to this article, because there are no independent sources. Corvus cornix 18:58, 14 August 2007 (UTC)

Cleanup and Expanding

I've cleaned up this article and expanded it as much as I could not knowing anything about the band, but someone needs to expand it. It was written like an ad on the band and many parts of the article were not consistent with other parts. If anyone could help clarify some information and expand the article, I'd be grateful. Thanks. ╦ﺇ₥₥€Ԋ (talk) 01:06, 20 November 2007 (UTC)

Uk Tour

Might want to mention they promised a UK tour due to being unable to play TOC. [1] —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.159.86.131 (talk) 21:55, 9 January 2008 (UTC)

Regarding Craig Mabbitt

I still say we should find a better source :D ~Ambrosia- ^talk 20:08, 8 February 2008 (UTC)

I think the source that's there is fine. It seems like a reliable source. Timmeh! 23:59, 8 February 2008 (UTC)

Image

Uncyclopedia has a picture of them here, but i doubt it would be acceptable...♠♦Д narchistPig♥♣ (talk) 21:06, 27 February 2008 (UTC)

LOL at that! That's pretty cool but i somehow doubt wikipdia would accept it :P Riverpeopleinvasion (talk) 21:10, 27 February 2008 (UTC)

Lol. Nice one. It actually probably would be acceptable. You could put it up and see if it gets removed or not. Timmeh! 21:16, 27 February 2008 (UTC)

Well,I went for it. Lets see what happens.♠♦Д narchistPig♥♣ (talk) 20:22, 28 February 2008 (UTC)

Likely WP:NONFREE and maybe WP:BLP problems with that image. Chubbles (talk) 21:14, 28 February 2008 (UTC)

Not sure about NONFREE but possibly BLP for being possibly slightly libelious...If anyone thinks its in blatant violation of something just remove/delete it i guess...♠♦Д narchistPig♥♣ (talk) 21:22, 28 February 2008 (UTC)

I see no indication that the image of ETF has been released under any circumstances, and so fails WP:NONFREE. Also, this is a BLP no-brainer. Come on, guys. Chubbles (talk) 21:33, 28 February 2008 (UTC)

Eh. Whatever. Nothing ventured nothing gained, I guess.♠♦Д narchistPig♥♣ (talk) 21:53, 28 February 2008 (UTC)

User: Ronnierocks555

Guys, I know this might be obvious. But this user is constantly reverting this page and adding uncited info. Especially the part relating to an old band member Ronnie. Which makes one ponder if its actually the band member. Needless to say, we're going to do some research on the topic. Until then, please make sure his posts are constructive and not superfluous. Thanks! --InvisibleDiplomat₆⁶₆ 17:04, 19 March 2008 (UTC)

There are already two sources stating that Radke has left the band and has been replaced by Craig Mabbit. If these people disagree, let them state their arguments here on the talk page. But as long as they don't, their edits will just be reverted. I believe they are all just fans of the band and won't accept that Radke has left. Timmeh! 18:39, 19 March 2008 (UTC)

I don't believe there is any official source though that states that Ronnie isn't part of the band. If there is please tell me, it should be official though. NTAEndar (talk) 04:24, 4 April 2008 (UTC)

As long as reliable sources are cited, it doesn't need to be "official" (from the band itself). Timmeh! 20:15, 4 April 2008 (UTC)

http://www.escapethefate.net/news/june08/etf_news1.html .... heres a good source, its on the website and a band member actually states that ronnie was kicked out of the band and that probably hell never comeback, it also states that craig is officially in the band i guess... oh and it has a lot of info about ronnie and about what happen and personal opinions and a lot of thinks that should be told about the band... im not saying you have to put it up, i just read it and it was very informative, its a bit long thou but if you have time then read it : D i think fans would be very interested —Preceding unsigned comment added by Jankunas22 (talk • contribs) 23:29, 17 August 2008 (UTC)

Craigs only temporary

Shouldn't the fact craigs only a temporary singer be mentioned because he isn't their actual singer yet, in the members section that is. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.168.53.69 (talk) 02:57, 11 April 2008 (UTC)

How could he be temporary when they are set to release This War Is Ours? If you're not down with that, I just have two words for you.... 13:33, 6 October 2008 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Hhh210 (talk • contribs)

Notice that his post was posted in April, when Craig was only considered a temporary member. Fezmar9 (talk) 13:36, 6 October 2008 (UTC)

craig is full singer u retards (Seth4000 (talk) 16:28, 22 January 2009 (UTC)) Seth4000

New album leak

The album has leaked into torrent websites, I believe this should be adressed in the article. The leak is legit and I have checked it for myself. - XClaudiox (talk) 21:46, 3 October 2008 (UTC)

Information about album leaks is not considered to be notable information unless there are reliable third-party sources covering the info, and either the band or the public had some sort of reaction to the leak. Here are a few examples of notable leaks: The Devil and God Are Raging Inside Me#History and Minutes to Midnight (album)#Leak. A leak date alone should never be posted. Fezmar9 (talk) 23:41, 3 October 2008 (UTC)

Ma friend got the album on 9th OCtober!! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 59.94.13.21 (talk) 06:32, 24 November 2008 (UTC)

Why are they post-hardcore?

Remember when you actually had to have hardcore punk in your sound to be a post-hardcore band? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 216.110.234.231 (talk) 21:44, 24 October 2008 (UTC)

Things have changed. You should know that. Just like how Metalcore has changed. If you know hardcore, you should know Metalcore. Metalcore used to be Shai Hulud and Earth Crisis. Now it's Bullet for My Valentine and As I Lay Dying. Granted, AILD is way more Metalcore than BFMV, but still, it's nowhere close to Shai Hulud or Earth Crisis. That's just how it happens. Meanings change. But anyway, by today's definition, they're Post-Hardcore (actually they're kinda Hard Rock with their latest album, but whatever). So, we keep it. 69.251.198.48 (talk) 06:11, 30 October 2008 (UTC)

I'm aware of change, but I still don't see how Escape The Fate is post-hardcore. They sound like they're trying to be a modern version of Motley Crue while incroporating a tiny amount of post-hardcore influence (the screaming). With AILD, the hardcore influence is a lot easier to notice than in this band. I'm not a lhuddite, I think post-hardcore still carries on today with bands such as Alexisonfire. The thing is, they have an extremely noticeable hardcore punk influence, and there are notceable similarites between them and post-hardcore bands of ten years ago (such as Refused). Terms change, but not THIS much.

I Find They are more of a Metalcore band on their latest album. This war is ours (the song) has the same structure and style as the All That Remains song Chiron. The Flood also seems like metalcore seeing as it has a breakdown. Even The Guillotine from Dying Is Your Latest Fashion has a metalcore sound. KezianAvenger (talk) 20:10, 11 March 2009 (UTC)

They are (or could be, or should be) listed as post-hardcore because that's what AMG says at http://allmusic.com/cg/amg.dll?p=amg&sql=11:jnfrxqqsldte. See the box on the left where Escape the Fate is categorized as Pop/Rock, Screamo, and Post-Hardcore. I think that's wrong, but what you and I think doesn't matter much in this case because the standard is verifiability, not truth, and AMG is more authoritative than our personal opinions. That said, AMG does accept feedback/corrections from readers. The correction/feedback form for Escape the Fate is at http://allmusic.com/cg/amg.dll?p=amg&sql=11:jnfrxqqsldte~T6. SlubGlub (talk) 18:25, 15 June 2009 (UTC)

Ronnie Radke: 4 Years probation or 4 years in jail?

Yeah, so it says here in the ETF article that Ronnie got sentenced to be in jail for 4 years but is says on the Ronnie Radke article that it's 4 years probation.

So how does it really go?

CRaiGaFeR14™ ^{t | tl} 15:15, 27 November 2008 (UTC)

Yeah, we need to include this in this and his article because its pretty confusing, I would have guessed he went to jail otherwise he wouldnt need firing, and what did he do to even get probation? answers people :D --Casket56 (talk) 22:45, 27 November 2008 (UTC)

Umm, well before he originally got probation for drugs. He went to jail because he decided not to go to probation because he didn't like the terms: he couldn't come with ETF on tours. CRaiGaFeR14™ ^{t | c} 09:37, 17 December 2008 (UTC)

The Word Alive

Should it be refered in the article that Mabbitt left TWA continue touring with ETF? Not quite sure wheter it should be adressed or not. -XClaudiox (talk) 05:57, 26 December 2008 (UTC)

Also, concerning From Behind These Walls

I've added information on Ronnie's current status, as he has no article of his own and the information is arguably relevant to Escape the Fate, I think this is valid, feel free to disagree and argue. On an unrelated note, I removed the update template as I no longer deem it necessary. -XClaudiox (talk) 06:20, 26 December 2008 (UTC)

Situations EP

They also have an EP out called Situations. I personally, have only one song from it, but I do have the art. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.57.118.18 (talk) 02:03, 2 April 2009 (UTC)

I have the art, is there any way to transfer it from iTunes onto Wikipedia, because I can't find an option to save the image.

This sentance in Departure of Radke and Espinosa (2006-2008)

"Radke was present at the fight that led to Cook's death and was incarcerated with a chance of parole in 2008, due to the fact he could not pass his drug tests."

Firstly, the sentance makes no sense, he isn't going to have a chance for parole 'because' he failed the drug tests. Can someone fix this, I'm assuming he was jailed because of the failed drug tests, but has a chance for parole.

Secondly, who is Cook? He's not mentioned in the rest of the article. Someone needs to explain this fight, and who Cook is for the sentance to make sense.

Thanks. Fol de rol troll (talk) 23:36, 19 April 2009 (UTC)

Maybe you could work on the article and build it up to at least something readable. That would be great if you could do that, as this article really needs work. Timmeh! 00:07, 20 April 2009 (UTC)

I came across this article by pure chance, edit checking Recent Changes for Vandalism. I've never heard of this band and have no idea of where to start. I'm just pointing out a flaw in an attempt to improve the article. Fol de rol troll (talk) 00:11, 20 April 2009 (UTC)

Well, if you're ever looking for something to do, some article to improve, this one will be here. It's not hard finding online sources for a modern band. Timmeh! 00:47, 20 April 2009 (UTC)

Partial Lock or something needed?

I just edited out "Craig Mabbitt is a Nazi" and some other stupid comments that someone put, have done this multiple times, maybe this article should be set so only users with accounts can edit it? —Preceding unsigned comment added by ThatDarnBandit (talk • contribs) 03:29, 24 April 2009 (UTC)

Videos?

Escape The Fate has said they finished recording a new video, but there is no positive proof the new video is 10 Miles Wide. Craig did at some point mention before they recorded it that he thought it might be 10 miles wide but he wasn't 100% sure-- So can somebody edit the article to change "10 Miles Wide" to something along the lines of "a new video has been recorded, but the song for this video has not been revealed yet" ? This page has a lock so I can't do it myself. Thanks! user:Raktoner —Preceding undated comment added 05:03, 11 May 2009 (UTC).

The Beginning

The Beginning says they started up on myspace, but they've stated multiple times in interviews that they have been in bands together throughout high school and they did not meet up through myspace. If you don't believe me you should listen to their AP Magazine Pod-cast interview. User:Raktoner —Preceding undated comment added 18:34, 18 May 2009 (UTC).

Genre??.....post-hardcore and......

I says on the Escape the Fate article that apart from post-hardcore they are hard rock and metalcore. Is this true? Xxxloosingsympathyxxx (talk) 23:12, 25 June 2009 (UTC)

I have no idea. It might be helpful to find some sources for the genres. Actually, a musical style section should be created, as sources for genres are more appropriate there. Timmeh 23:16, 25 June 2009 (UTC)

Cool i'll look into it.... Xxxloosingsympathyxxx (talk) 23:22, 25 June 2009 (UTC)

Here's a list of the songs that are Metalcore. The Webs We Weave, The Guillotine, There's No Sympathy For the Dead, My Apocalypse (possibly), Dragging Dead Bodies in Blue Bags Up Really Long Hills, The Flood, You Are So Beautiful, This War is Ours and 10 Miles Wide. I hope this helps! KezianAvenger (talk) 14:38, 24 August 2009 (UTC)

• That's great that you think those songs fit into the metalcore genre. However, Wiki pages are based on facts, not opinions. Find sources proclaiming the band to have a metalcore sound and this can be added to the genre description section. Hsxeric (talk) 14:35, 24 August 2009 (UTC)

I was moreso just helping Xxxloosingsympathyxxx find some examples of their metalcore songs. However, I have been meaning to add metalcore to the genres in the infobox so I will. KezianAvenger (talk) 11:49, 25 August 2009 (UTC)

I can't believe that nobody mentions their metalcore elements in reviews! KezianAvenger 20:47, 14 September 2009 (UTC)

I believe that ETF's metalcorish... Many songs display various characteristics of the Metalcore genre. Songs like The Flood, The Guillotine, This War is Ours, There's no Sympathy for the Dead, 10 Miles Wide. -darksluke23

genre

Alright, in my opinion i think that it should be noticed that they totally have a pop-punk influence with their music. I mean i understand they arent totally because of breakdowns, screaming, and guitar riffs. but songs like something, this is not the end, situations, stories and alibies, are in my opinon almost completely pop-punk. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.226.79.244 (talk) 05:06, 16 July 2009 (UTC)

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dude, the music is emo(core) there's now screaming and the melodies are poppy, there's nothing that could be considered really hardcore or metalcore except for some screaming here and there. so i would say the genre of the old stuff is emocore and the newer stuff is emo / pop-punk —Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.160.167.172 (talk) 08:09, 31 July 2009 (UTC)