Talk:Deal, Kent

just thought i would leave a quick note to say that ive added in a like to the Walmer page, as well as the bit about the old navy yard, mainly to make a link to the Time ball page which i created, and know is one of Deals landmarks. Sorry if the stff i added has spelling mistakes in it! Tom.

Not sure how controversial this might be...

...but is Walmer much regarded as a separate village, or as part of Deal? I lived in Deal from 1975 to 1994, and personally never had much call to think of Walmer as a distinct village. A walk along the Strand surely confirms this... or are Walmer residents keen on retaining their nominally individual status? With Kingsdown, of course, there is a degree of separation.

I ask out of genuine interest. ormondroyd

I currently live in Walmer, and I can't honestly answer that question. It is separate in terms of parish boundaries, and it has its own councillors, but it is part of the Deal postal district. Hmmm. I guess I'm going to have to visit the local library again... Stewart Adcock 20:58, 18 July 2005 (UTC)

It's an interesting one. How much do local authority boundaries define the geography of a town or region (e.g. I live in Berkshire which no longer exists as a single government entity, causing much debate on Usenet about whether the county itself "exists". It's definitely still there though... I can see it out of the window). For me it's about the separation. If I walk from Deal Castle to the Lord Clyde I have crossed into Walmer without any "typical" town boundary, which makes me question Walmer's status as an individual entity in modern times. Further inland, the boundary is even more blurred, I'd have said (from the top of Mill Hill towards Dover Road, for instance).

I suppose the same question could be asked of Sholden and Mongeham, although these are arguably small satellite entities on the fringe of the town rather than a large conurbation joined to Deal along a east to west boundary running the length of the town. Ormondroyd 22:30, 18 July 2005 (UTC)

Travelling northward, toward the town centre, the "Welcome to Deal" signpost is near Deal castle, not at the southern outskirt of Walmer. That doesn't really answer the question though. Stewart Adcock 08:17, 19 July 2005 (UTC)

I always remember when I was a kid that at the top of the hill on the road from Dover (i.e. just as the houses start) there was the large "DEAL" sign with the Cinque Ports logo, then about 30 yards later there was a smaller "Walmer" sign. Have they moved the former sign north to the castle now? (I only get back once or twice a year and haven't noticed). There's only one way to decide this matter properly and that's to have an angry edit war and flag the article as POV (joke) Ormondroyd 08:29, 20 July 2005 (UTC)

another point is how does History define a place, I can remember when doing a project at school about the towns history to be surpised at walmer (where i currently live)was most definatly a seperate village, therefore I always wight letters like Walmer, Deal, Kent > but if I was short of space, i just omit the walmer as i know that it all goes to deal sorting office no matter what, ans it isnt going to make any diffrence. for genral peposes, Walmer dont realy exist as a seperate enity. Vilage is probably the wrong word, somthingh akin to "district" is more appopiate. a bit like what you get in big cites. you dont get "Walmer Village Councle" like you might do with a seperate village, (not sure on that), but you do get "walmer parish councel", and "walmer in bloome compatisions" personaly, I think novbody considers it a seprate place anymore, as people as close as Dover will tell you... tooto 23:32, 24 July 2005 (UTC) not shure that helps much :-)

This is definitely of interest! I am currently trying to put right the mistaken idea that all named places in Kent are automatically villages if they are not towns/cities. Sholden, although having parish council status (has it?) should be included, IMO, in a part of this article. I have therefore included it with Walmer as part of the town, as can be seen Peter Shearan (talk) 10:02, 24 January 2008 (UTC)

Mining industry

Anyone else agree that a section on the town's century or so of coal mining would be relevant? or should there alternatively be a Kent mining industry article which references Deal (if there isn't one already). I can have an attempt if people think it's worth doing. Ormondroyd 09:58, 26 July 2005 (UTC)

It would definitely be a worthwhile addition, but I know almost nothing about the topic! Stewart Adcock 19:44, 26 July 2005 (UTC)

There is a Kent Coal Field page already, with a link to this one 203.121.39.2 (talk) 10:11, 1 October 2009 (UTC)

Official website

I removed the link to the "official town website" because although it exists, it is virtually empty. There is certainly no useful information that would qualify it for inclusion under WP:EL rules. Trying to find anything at all on that website just ends in frustration.--Shantavira|^{feed me} 18:48, 11 October 2007 (UTC)