User talk:Gaunkars of Goa

Dear Friends,

The article on 'Comunidade' as contributed by you seems incomplete and carelessly articulated in terms of totality and meaning. Also the hyperlinked word 'foro' gives a wrong meaning and is totally irrelevant. Please do not waste your precious time editing the same. A comprehensive literature on 'Comunidades' has been compiled and published by competent authorities and will be uploaded soon.

The Gaunkars of Goa shall do the needful henceforth.

Thank you once again.

Best Regards --Gaunkars of Goa (talk) 17:09, 6 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

February 2009

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Proposed deletion of Ideal Democratic Setup

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Re:Inclusion of other territories of Goa (India)

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Ad1970india

Seeing Ad1970india (talk · contribs · count), i just want to know whether you are aware of Anti-sock policies of wikipedia? -- Tinu Cherian - 09:25, 16 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

He is my big brother, plays cool , doesn't want voilence, wants to passify everyone. Maybe a right guy for wiki --Gaunkars of Goa (talk) 04:53, 7 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Userpage

I have added {{Userpage}} and __NOINDEX__ to your userpage, since it is likely to be mistaken for a genuine wikipedia article otherwise. As it is your userpage appears to be a content fork of the actual Goa article, and is perhaps a violation of WP:UP#NOT, especially since it contains POV/false information and you have made no attempts at improving the wikipedia article itself. Using userpage as a soapbox is likely to get it deleted, although I have no intentions of going down that path at present.
Finally, can you clarify if User:Goa.goa is your sock account ? Abecedare (talk) 13:39, 3 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

- Wasn't aware of sock policies. You may take appropriate action--Gaunkars of Goa (talk) 19:32, 6 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

- - This userpage is original. So kindly remove the added tags. This content is being created to help the existing article http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comunidade, since the article has multiple issues. Since the article is ready I wish to add the same on http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comunidade ? What do I do to avoid the article being called fork? --Gaunkars of Goa (talk) 02:58, 7 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Talk:India

Please note that article talk pages are not intended to be used as a soapbox to push views that do not make it into the main article. Repeatedly attempting to do this is liable to get you blocked. --RegentsPark (sticks and stones) 19:24, 8 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I dont really understand the soapbox business. I just want to work on articles simutaneously. How should i proceed on that? Also you have blocked this user page. Do you want me to edit? or should i quit. --Gaunkars of Goa (talk) 14:48, 9 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Yes Ganvkaar, Thats a good idea! Quit! Shut down your computer; go out on the streets and bazaars; and talk to people; make new friends and get new ideas. Because there is a real world out there that is very different from the one you imagine it to to be. .

You think that Goa is not a part of India just because the Government of India did not sign an agreement with every ganvkaar in Goa to incorporate his territory? You think that if you manange to get the status of Goa changed from "State of India" to an "Independent country" on Wikipedia , it will actually become one? Im sorry but in the real world, that is not how territorial aquisition works. Ask your fellow Goenkaars if they feel Indian occupation of Goa is illegal. Tell them to protest against it if they do feel that they are under occupation. Ask them why they participate in elections and pay taxes. Ask them not to accept government subsidies in schools and farms. Take out morchas in Panaji. Start a revolution! Bring the occupier to his knees. And when you win, you can decide if you want to retain Goa as a united country or in the form of 250 odd countries(as per your def). And then come back to Wikipedia and update the status of Goa to an Independent country. By all means, yes, We cannot and we will not stop you then. Till then, Goa remains a part of India, in the real world and on Wikipedia!

I tried to help you out because we have very few regular Goan editors on WIkipedia(actually , just one) and the Goa related articles need a lot of work(which a non-Goan like me is doing). I thought that by helping you out you may turn into a productive Wikipedian . If anyone else had behaved the way you did I would have asked the admins to block them pretty soon. Unfortunately, you werent worth the effort. So be it. Quit! You are better off sulking alone in your imaginary world than wasting the time of other Wikipedians. Dev bori raat deum. --Deepak D'Souza 16:52, 9 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Deepak, I tried my best to bring out the true facts on Goa especially those which were not covered in your articles. Nothing was mentioned on the comunidades and that is where our arguments started. If wikipedia does not like to face facts (even with references/sources), what can I say? Now try your level best to integrate whatever you can and feel, I think I have almost finished. --Gaunkars of Goa (talk) 18:22, 9 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

In case you don't have time to go through all references provided. Let all Indian wikipedians read this. http://books.google.co.in/books?id=IVDtjzY3r2gC&pg=PA81&lpg=PA81&dq=status+goa+non+self-governing+territories&source=bl&ots=XgsZhvjrCi&sig=hXi_GSvDXYCydeiuLo7ZA1E_8mg&hl=en&ei=O_qnSuSKNYj6kAX9r-2KCQ&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=9#v=onepage&q=&f=false --Gaunkars of Goa (talk) 19:04, 9 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for the link, irmao; you have done my homework. Have you read it completely? The last para states that the draft resolution was "not adopted". Which means the UN did not have anything to say about the Indian annexation of Goa; not in 1961, not in 2009! Got it? Its about time you accepted that the truth is "what is"; not "what you want it to be". --Deepak D'Souza 01:34, 10 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Don't get too excited, resolution 'not adopted' simply means the people of Goa have the right to self-determination in their sovereign territories. It is yet to be exercised. --Gaunkars of Goa (talk) 03:34, 10 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Yep, as I guessed, you are still not ready to wake up from your dreamland. So this will be my last post. Any more of your rants on Wikipedia and I will proptly revert them without explanation. If you insist on pushing your lick , I will definetely ask for a block. Good luck with your Independence movement! Viva Goa!

Oh Deepak! I just feel sorry for your level of understanding. I only tried to make you (ignorant guys) aware of few facts (legal and historical) concerning Goa. Nobody is going for independence here. All my explanation was just for wikipedia editors, not for the content of the article. It is very important to mention about comunidades in the Goa page, without it, your article cannot be complete. I hope you understand soon. --Gaunkars of Goa (talk) 06:50, 12 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

User page moved

One last thing, I have moved your userpage from User:Gaunkars of Goa to User:Gaunkars of Goa/Communidades. You can do any further editing you want here. Please do not use your userpage as a place to make a point. It contravenes Wikipedia policies. Also read Wikipedia:User page to understand the policies that specifically relate to what you can have and what you cannot have on a user page and its sub pages. --Deepak D'Souza 05:05, 10 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

September 2009

Welcome to Wikipedia. The recent edit you made to the page User:Gaunkars of Goa\Communidades has been reverted, as it appears to be unconstructive. Use the sandbox for testing; if you believe the edit was constructive, please ensure that you provide an informative edit summary. You may also wish to read the introduction to editing. Thank you. Rich Farmbrough, 13:36, 10 September 2009 (UTC). 13:36, 10 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I have deleted all content of my userpage as it proved too good to be on wikipedia.--Gaunkars of Goa (talk) 14:59, 10 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Also make sure you do not copy, save, distribute, or publish any content that was edited on this userpage, without my permission. I wish to contribute the content on other site/s. --Gaunkars of Goa (talk) 18:24, 10 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I'm afraid we can't make any such promises. You agreed to release your contributions under the CC-BY-SA 3.0 and GFDL licenses when you contributed to the encyclopedia. --RegentsPark (sticks and stones) 18:28, 10 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Goa

I also recognise the special nature of Goa. Even a 1/3 sentence to the India article meets resistance. I am not trying to play sides but the introduction of the word "Goa" would be a useful addition to the history section of the India article.

You may have even stronger opinions. Suomi Finland 2009 (talk) 22:24, 26 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Dear Friend, Following is true history of Goa, rest is all misleading. Who will understand Goa better than its indigenous people?;

Goa is a territory of the Indian sub-continent (do not mistake as Indian Union), a sovereign self-governing independent territory existing since times immemorial. It existed much before(about 2000 - 3000 years before) the formation of the Indian Union (just formed in 1947). How can India ever lay any claims on Goa, except in her imagination? So when Goa was under Portuguese rule, the United Nations proclaimed the territory as non self-governing. In 1961 India attacked Goa, and annexed it into the Union. The Indian annexation has been termed as illegal by the United Nations in the 987th & 988th meeting of the UN Security Council, http://www.undemocracy.com/S-PV-988.pdf . The people of Goa are yet to exercise their right to self-determination as per UN Charter Article 73e Chapter XI, Goa's legal status will only be determined thereafter. Believe it or not, this is the fact. This is the part of History wikipedia is afraid of, don't ask me why. --Gaunkars of Goa (talk) 17:35, 27 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Goa is a very special case. I believe it is important enough to be included in the India article. However, Goa is not the only topic related to India so it must not be too long. It is possible that it may only merit one sentence. Of course, there could be a link to a longer article. Not having any mention is not right, on the other hand.

Possible places to put it would be under history or administrative divisions. After some thought, I think it is better placed under administrative divisions. If it is under history, then it has to compete with the many things that has happened in the history of India. If it is under administrative divisions, then there could be a brief mention over territorial disputes with Pakistan and the special case of Goa.

If we have some agreement on what to do with Goa, we can present the case to the article. If we don't have agreement then it could mean that Goa is not mentioned. For example, if 3 editors bring it up individually over a few weeks, nothing will happened. But if 3 editors discuss things and then present it as "we 3 have discussed it and came up with a compromise" then there is more hope. Suomi Finland 2009 (talk) 18:53, 29 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

All I have been requesting is to put Goa under question mark until things are legally settled and established. Weather to include Goa in the Administration Division of India can only be decided thereafter. At present the following needs attention; (1) Legal status of Goa with respect to international law (2) The geographical area belonging to State of Goa (3) The political History of Goa (4) The Comunidades of Goa, and so on...But the cowardly editors just don't dare to discuss. If they keep the discussion open to public, they will have all the answers. --Gaunkars of Goa (talk) 13:22, 30 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

If you keep on carrying on, you'll get blocked YellowMonkey (bananabucket) 07:20, 2 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

OK this is the final straw: [1]. I am reporting this to the administrators. Its about time someone put an ned to your naonsense --Deepak D'Souza 07:50, 2 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Jimbo_Wales#Grievance Before you proceed I think you are obliged to give genuine reasons and valid explanations. --Gaunkars of Goa (talk) 07:55, 2 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

You are being discussed at Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents

Hello, Gaunkars of Goa. This message is being sent to inform you that there currently is a discussion at WP:ANI regarding disruptive behaviour, threats and soapboxing. The thread is User:Gaunkars of Goa. Thank you. --Deepak D'Souza 18:42, 2 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Blocked

You have been blocked, as you have been disruptively making inappropriate use of talk page space, soapboxing, using this project as a personal forum, and making threats against other users. Cirt (talk) 21:52, 2 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

MfD nomination of User:Gaunkars of Goa/Communidades

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Request reason:

All references and sources are verifiable and I want the editors to do the needful before calling it vandalism, POV, or soapboxing, unreasonably. LET THE TRUTH PREVAIL --Gaunkars of Goa (talk) 03:29, 3 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

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Dear friends, No issues! You are the kings of wikipedia, what else can the scribes do? I was only trying to improve the article 'Comunidade' , on my user page, because that article needed attention. All facts, references, and sources are true and verifiable, just a verification is all that is needed. The content of 'Goa' had been unchallenged till now, so accepting facts may be the problem with you guys. No wonder you call it vandalism, POV, or soapbox. Just see that you put correct information on wikipedia , just don't know how many pages lie there containing false information. --Gaunkars of Goa (talk) 07:59, 3 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

what others think

http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20080804220345AAzEwcK --Gaunkars of Goa (talk) 09:34, 3 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

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Request reason:

I was only trying to improve the article 'Comunidade' , on my user page, because that article needed attention. All facts, references, and sources are true and verifiable, just a verification is all that is needed. It will be a big mistake to call it vandalism, POV, or soapbox.

Decline reason:

You appear to be at Wikipedia only to push a specific point of view. Since it has become clear that your point of view is not well sourced enough to become part of the encyclopedia, and since you do not appear to have any other interests at Wikipedia, there is no further work for you to do at Wikipedia. FisherQueen (talk · contribs) 14:13, 3 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

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Oh, that's not fair. Read the very first section of this page where I have specifically mentioned that I will be working on the article. You guys say that I am not contributing, but I was all the time contributing, I thought the user page could be used for progressing edits. Is that why you are calling it POV, soapboxing, vandalism? As far as verification goes it is your duty, I have provided all resources.

Decline reason:

Single purpose, original and unsubstantiated research, sockpuppetry. Hiberniantears (talk) 01:25, 5 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

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RECOMMENDATION LETTER I have know Gaunkars for about a week. I am on a wikibreak but specifically came back to write this before going back on wikibreak.

I have heard of bad things about this editor on ANI but I have not researched the matter so I cannot defend any such behaviour. Gaunkers and I share a common interest, Goa. I was trying to discuss with others how much information should be covered about Goa. I have no preconceived notion that there should be a lot covered about Goa nor nothing covered about Goa. I am open minded. Gaunkers is one of the few people that knows a lot about this subject and has been helpful to educate me on the matter. If his/her tactfulness or following the rules have not be perfect, do not discount the value that he/she brings to Wikipedia. At the very least, let him/her edit the user's own talk page and my talk page but do not chase him/her away permanently. Or perhaps requiring a short wikibreak on Goa.

Please, let's be nice and polite to each other during this holiday period. Deepavali is coming very soon. May your home light up with the joy and may this Deepavali bring prosperity, peace, happiness and good health to you and your family. Suomi Finland 2009 (talk) 17:59, 3 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

NOTE TO GAUNKERS You are accused of making threats. Please do NOT do this! At the very least, tell those people that you are sorry that remarks were threatening and that was either not your intent or was just during a temporary fit of anger. Then pledge not to threaten again! Suomi Finland 2009 (talk) 18:06, 3 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Sockpuppetry case

You have been accused of sockpuppetry. Please refer to Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Gaunkars of Goa for evidence. Please make sure you make yourself familiar with notes for the suspect before editing the evidence page. --Deepak D'Souza 06:43, 4 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I have already clarified before, look at the section 'ad1970india' above. -- (talk) 08:00, 4 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

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I still maintain, this is unreasonable. Have a look at the article I was contributing to, only thing I was compiling it on my user page [2] . Compare it with your existing one [3] which has multiple issues, you can decide thereafter.

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Suggestion for all administrators considering unblock request and Gaunkers

Let's tone down the anger! Gaunkers, in Wikipedia, they do things their own special way. For example, some administrators like to lock up pages (page protection) giving the excuse that you asked for unblock too many times. This is not always right because it doesn't take much effort to deny unblock.

Administrators: Gaunkers has some information that I would like to consider and learn from regarding Goa. Please do not page protect the page. I will suggest that he/she discuss Goa with me on his/her talk page.

If you are absolutely set on page protection, please give me authority to remove unblock requests instead of page protecting the user talk page. I normally don't mess around with others' talk pages.

Gaunkers: If you have a useful dialogue with me about Goa and act like an upright citizen, I will ask for your unblock at a later date. This is not a promise, just a possibility. I haven't researched the accusations against you and know you only from a few talk page entries. Let's work together, all of us!

Suomi Finland 2009 (talk) 15:24, 6 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

India article

Gaunkers, what is your suggestion for Goa coverage in the India article? Keep in mind that there is a lot of facts and history of India so Goa should not be half of the article. Do you think 2 sentences are appropriate? What facts, if any, should be included.

Others, please use the India talk page for discussion, not here. This section is simply a discussion between Gaunkers and me. Suomi Finland 2009 (talk) 19:24, 6 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

This looks like an open proposal for meatpuppetry to me. --Deepak D'Souza 04:42, 7 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Responded on Deepak's user talk page. You are incorrect. Suomi Finland 2009 (talk) 15:45, 7 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Not a good idea. Some people will interpret it as editing for a banned user, which is blockable. Also, regardless of the tactics, people will object to any sizable bit on the annexation of Goa, since it will creat undue weight with the other territorial annexations/integrations of Kashmir, Hyderabad, Pondicherry, not to mention the other big wars in the last 3000 years among the various divisions of the subcontinent, much bigger than the fate of a small territory like Goa. YellowMonkey (bananabucket) 04:47, 7 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Please do not attack me or suggest that I am doing anything improper. If hypothetically banned editor, Hitler, had some good suggestions about the Finland or Alamogordo, New Mexico article, I would listen to what he had to say even if that same editor was accused of being a vandal and violently advocating Holocaust denial. I am not saying "Gaunkers, tell me what to write and where to insert it and I will write it".

There are few people in Wikipedia that know about Goa. If Gaunkers points me to the good references and tells me what those references say, this helps Wikipedia a lot. Suomi Finland 2009 (talk) 15:39, 7 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

For time being let us leave the puppet business aside, it is a totally different issue, I am suggesting to Jimbo privately.

Back to the important one, I can understand your problem, which is weather we should include objectionable or controversial issues on wikipedia. But who are we editors to decide that? As long as the information is supported with facts and verifiable resources, there shouldn't be any issues, and no one can logically object. Our job is to give adequate representation to factual data, weather somebody likes it or not dose not matter.

Finally, I am really not pressing for Goa history on any article. But what is wrong has to be objected and corrected with facts and verifiable resources, objectionable or not, that is what I believe in. There cannot be a compromise when it comes to information, I don't like the idea. -- (talk) 11:47, 7 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

What I seek from you or anyone else is:

1. Is Goa special or deserves mention?
2. If so, what is notable about the situation?
3. Are there references for 2?
4. What are the most important details, if any, about Goa in relation to India?

Number 4 is pertinent to the India article. More detail is appropriate for the Goa article. One example of undue weight is as follows: Anna Nagar is an area of Chennai. Description of Anna Nagar in the India article would be undue weight (at least from what I know of the place). Suomi Finland 2009 (talk) 15:53, 7 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

OK if you insist; Ans 1) Yes, Goa is special and deserves mention, especially the political History of it and its legal status. Ans 2) Its legality as a state of the Indian Union is questionable. The conquest and annexation of Goa by India itself was annunciated as illegal (UN Charter prohibits use of force) by the United Nations in its 988th Council meeting . Majority of the nations rightly demanded to resolve the issue through self-determination of the people. Nehru had also promised the same but he turned out to be a real chameleon and instead attacked Goa. He thought by attacking Goa, India could claim sovereignty over Goa, poor fellow didn't know the meaning of Non self-governing territory & Right to self-determination (Article 73e Chapter XI of the UN Charter). When Portugal conquered Goa in 1510, the Indian Union never existed, it came into being as an Union of States only in 1947, how on earth can it claim sovereignty over Goa? Thus the case of Goa has become a laughing stock in the case studies of International Law.

Also for the Indian Union to make Goa as one of its state, it has to meet the Constitutional obligations, e.g. obtaining Proprietorship Titles from the absolute owners or by signing Land Tenure Contract/Agreements with the absolute owners (in this case, Gaunkars of Goa, and not Portugal). So the treaty signed between Portugal and India as regards transfer of Sovereignty is null and void.

Ans 3) This is not my concept and imagination that is taking shape, this case is well documented and authored by many. Just type combination of relevant keywords in any search engines, you will get a plethora of information. [4]

Ans 4)see Ans 2.-- (talk) 18:30, 7 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Real Goa Talking

Goa Liberation [5] [6] [7] [8] [9] [10][11] -- (talk) 16:11, 10 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]