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Black turban

I have notice that Khamenei seems to be the only Islamic cleric with a black turban in Iran. Can someone explain why? Can others be defrocked by the Special Clerical Court for wearing a black turban?--71.108.3.62 (talk) 11:44, 23 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

As I understand it, the black colour shows that the wearer is a descendant of Muhammed http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20080719131028AAM1a6D 87.59.79.5 (talk) 17:49, 26 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Yes,that's true. any cleric who is a descendant of prophet Muhammad wears black turban,and Ali Khamenei is not the only one.THISISME! 15:30, 4 August 2009 (UTC)

Spouse's name

Since there is no source for "Mrs. Khojasteh," I think it is better to put Mrs. Khamenei[1] back.--71.108.3.62 (talk) 11:46, 23 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Muslim women do not take their husband's surname. "Mrs Khamene'i" is definitely wrong. ناهد/(Nåhed) speak! 03:18, 6 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]
I'm sticking in an alternative to Mrs Khojasteh, which seems weird because it's like she's married to a Mr Khojasteh, by using the Persian term banu. It's sort of like Mrs, but she's not really "Mrs" Khojasteh... ناهد/(Nåhed) speak! 04:37, 10 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Azeris are Turks

Here is Hossein Shariatmadari who says, "The Supreme Leader [Ayatollah Ali Khamenei] is a Turk, he's Azeri."[2]

This may be why George W. Bush and many American officials don't mention his name. Khamenei name is generally a taboo; they can't say he is a Persian dictator oppressing ethnic minorities in Iran. I won't add my last statement to the article because then others might accuse me of doing original research.

Khamenei is an Arab—as a sayyid—and probably a descendent of the Seljuqs.--71.118.43.47 (talk) 02:42, 6 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Observation: Kurds are Persians, but if you refer to a Kurd as "a Persian", it's inaccurate. Sometimes the local ethnicity trumps the larger one. In this article it has caused confusion - I can personally attest to people who were misled by the statement that he was Turkish and thought he was a Turkish citizen. Given the established nature of the Iranian Azeri community, we should respect consensus and leave it listed as such.ناهد/(Nåhed) speak! 03:10, 6 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]
What do say about Turkic peoples?--71.118.43.47 (talk) 03:09, 6 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]
The same issue comes up all the time on Wikipedia. You could list everyone who is a Kurd as an Iranian, but all you'd get would be angry people, and it wouldn't make you right. Azeris are Turkish - like French people are Europeans and and Chinese people are Asian. ناهد/(Nåhed) speak! 03:14, 6 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Like Africans are American. --♥pashtun ismailiyya 20:30, 31 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Azeris are not ethnically Turks actually. It doesn't take a genius to realize that they have nothing in common with Turks, apart from their language. Ethnically they are more similar to other ethnic groups in Iran, especially the Iranian Kurds (not the Iraqi or Turkish Kurds though) and the Persians. On top of that, their nationality is Iranian. Azeris see themselves as Iranians first and foremost, and then Azeri second. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 87.194.5.148 (talk) 18:34, 3 February 2009 (UTC) I think there is a strong desire in the Republic of Turkey to claim as many people as Turkish as they can. After the fall of the Caliph in Baghdad until 1258 then restarted in 1517 by the Turkish Sultan and to be such must be from the same tribe as Mohammed (PBUH) the Quraysh tribe but that aint no Turkish tribe so either No Caliphate or No Linage of Turkish origin . Iran and Others do the same with Sayyid and claim to be one ethnicity and also decedent of Mohammed (PBUH)an Arab Hezzbolah claims Khamenei is ARAB for this very reason. That girl on the Iranian Peoples page is hot!---- Nate Riley 16:55, 2 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

How many children does he have?

According to the information on the left side of the page, it says that he has 6 children. But in 'Personal Life' it states that he has 7 children. So how many exactly? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Papongza (talk • contribs) 10:02, 28 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I can't find any sources for 7 children, and searches for the children's names just come up with mirrors of this page, so I have edited to use the cite for 6 children. Bigger digger (talk) 10:31, 31 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Mykonos assassinations

"On 10 April 1997 , Berlin's highest criminal court issued an international arrest warrant, and with knowledge Ali Khamenei because ordered attack on the Mykonos restaurant assassinations"

This sentence is incoherent and makes no sense. Dumaka (talk) 20:31, 6 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

So you'll be pleased to see I've re-written it! Bigger digger (talk) 09:48, 31 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

The sentence makes perfect sense to anyone who speaks English, it does not however point to any reference. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Cardinal700 (talk • contribs) 08:18, 29 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Where's

his infamous quote about wiping Israel from the pages of history? ArdClose (talk) 20:42, 9 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Sweetheart, I think that was someone else! --♥pashtun ismailiyya 23:01, 9 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
No, that was him, Ahmadinejad paraphrased the Khamenei-ism that Isreal must "vanish from the pages of time" of something to that effect. In short, both men have said it — Preceding unsigned comment added by Lao1992 (talk • contribs) 17:15, 23 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Does Ali Khamenei speak Azeri?

Does Ali Khamenei speak Azeri? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 88.232.9.213 (talk) 14:45, 2 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Yes. --♥pashtun ismailiyya 07:50, 3 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Women's rights

In the "Interpretations of Islam" section, the article states that Khamenei has supported women's rights. However, the citation is to a dead link. If a citation is not provided, I will remove the statement because the sentence immediately preceding it seems to contradict it. Tayl1257 (talk) 13:33, 15 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Sunni Mosque in Tehran

This section states that Asia Times reported that a Sunni mosque has not been built in Tehran because of opposition from Khamenei. However, the article actually merely quotes a Tehrani grocer who says that Khameini did not authorize the building of the mosque. The Asia Times is not stating that it verified or endorses the claim, nor does it speak of affirmative opposition from Khamenei (e.g., the Pres. may not have sought authorization). I therefore do not feel that the sentence as currently written reflects the content of the Asia Times article, and I will remove it in a few days unless someone reasonably objects. Tayl1257 (talk) 16:23, 30 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I agree with you. This has been added to several articles, just because it is published in Asia time. It is irrelevant.--Parvazbato59 (talk) 17:39, 30 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
That the capital of Tehran and a metropolitan area of 14 some million does not have one sunni mosque is certainly significant.
It is true that the article quotes a resident of tehran rather than a government official, but note that the text qualifies the statement:
Khamenei is reported to oppose the building of a Sunni mosque in Iran's capital, Tehran. According to the Asia Times newspaper, reformist former president Mohammad Khatami gave Supreme Leader Ayatollah Ali Khamenei's opposition as the reason he (Khatami) had not followed through on his campaign promise to allow the building of a Sunni mosque in Tehran.
I will add "according to a Tehran resident quoted by the Asia Times newspaper"
From the article: "When you meet Iranian officials in Tehran, ask them why they do not allow a Sunni mosque in Tehran, despite a good number of Sunnis living there? During the election campaign, President Mohammad Khatami had pledged to allow a Sunni mosque in Tehran. This was nothing but election sloganeering. After he won the elections, he was reminded of his promise but he said that the [Supreme] Leader [Ayatollah Ali] Khamenei had not agreed to the proposal." --BoogaLouie (talk) 20:31, 30 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
I think BoogaLouie's alteration is good. Tayl1257 (talk) 04:28, 1 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

God bless you, BoogaLouie!THISISME! 15:29, 4 August 2009 (UTC)

Grand Ayatollah ?

In the german version of Wikipedia it is noted that Khamenei is not a grand ayatollah and it is explicitely referenced and explained why not. In the english version it is said that he is a grand ayatollah without reference. As the german reference explicitely states that he declined the title "grand ayatollah" in 1994 the passage in the english wikipedia is definitely wrong. If he is grand ayatollah, he became this after 1994.

The same failure is on some other pages, too. The german Wikipedia lists "significantly less" grand ayatollahs as the english wikipedia.

(kkilger) 14:04, 14 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I support this statement. From different sources and discussions with Iranians I am 100% sure, that HE IS NOT GRAND AYATOLLAH! I urge wikipedia to change it !

129.206.185.111 (talk) 16:38, 26 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

yes please remove that,HE IS NOT A GRAND AYATOLLAH! THISISME! 15:29, 4 August 2009 (UTC)

Khameini and the 2009 June Elections in Iran

Can someone make a mention of the current regime's president (mahmoud ahmadnejad) and his alliance with khameini. I think it is worth mentioning because there is a significant feud erupting in Iran's political sphere, between the ahmadnejad+ khameini+basij+revolutionary guard versus the reformist camp rafsanjani, khatami, and mousavi..and most of the youth of iran. if anyone doubts the significance of the current controversial fraudulent elections of iran, they can find evidence on youtube of the mass number of protesters who campaigned against the corrupted election results. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Ditc (talk • contribs) 03:22, 15 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Unsourced info

I have removed the unsourced line "It is famous that he was initially a very unnoticable clergy who had to sell prayers and read Qur'an for money to survive." Please be aware that according to Wikipedia:Biographies_of_living_persons#Reliable_sources a line like this should be removed forthwith and not reposted unless it is backed up by reliable sources. Debresser (talk) 19:28, 15 June 2009 (UTC) I read that and it wasnt NPOV.Talk to Magibon 14:27, 18 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Vandalism

Someone is vandalizing the name. I'm newbie and i can't speak English correctly too. Mhosayn (talk) 12:59, 20 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you for removing the vandalism. Chris Cunningham (not at work) - talk 13:28, 20 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Pronunciation

Could someone please check the pronunciation of this name? As currently written, the stress is on the last syllable of each name: [ʔæˈli hosejˈni xɒmeneˈʔi]. This would be pronounced aLI hoseyNI khāmene’I. (In IPA, the stress mark goes BEFORE the stressed syllable.) This looks very doubtful to me, but I do not know the correct pronunciation. It seems more likely that the correct pronunciation might be [ˈʔæli hoˈsejni xɒmeˈneʔi] (Ali hoSEYni khāmeNE’i). Could someone who knows please check this? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Seberle (talk • contribs) 15:32, 20 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

The pronunciation is correct. In Persian/Farsi, almost all words are stressed on the final syllable. Languagehat (talk) 14:35, 27 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

==

This is interesting. Thank you. It would seem the TV reports I am listening to are all pronouncing his name incorrectly.--seberle (talk) 21:45, 12 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Yes, I don't know why announcers have no problem stressing French names correctly but don't seem to be able to do so with Persian. Languagehat (talk) 21:22, 27 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Khamenei's policy towards universities and higher education in Iran

I suggest the following be added to domestic policy section


In a speech given in 2002 Kahemenei stressed that he was not satisfied with the performance of then minister of science and higher education, Mostafa Moeen since he had allowed students to pursue activities deemed against Islam in his point of view, such as practicing and studying music, arts traveling abroad to the land of non-believers and conducting field trips that were not religious in nature, in the speech Khamenei asks for stricter control on these issues urging the universities to enforce Islamic values.[68]

Iranian Judiciary system

What source did this come from? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.111.230.152 (talk) 21:16, 3 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Neutrality dispute (POV)

There's a POV (see WP:NPOV) tag dated June 2009 on this article. What parts of the article does the tagger (or anybody else) have an issue with? Has everything been resolved? Thundermaker (talk) 13:47, 22 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Reports of Khamenei's death

It is reported today (Oct. 14) that Ali Khamenei has died. Now, I have no experience with the sources, but I think it is worth noting here in case more mainstream sources pick up this story.

Yes, there have been false reports in the past, so I am being careful not to state his death as fact.

1. I first heard it at antimullah.com. Story is here: "KHAMENEI REPORTEDLY DEAD!" http://noiri.blogspot.com/2009/10/khamenei-reportedly-dead.html

2. Another source dated Oct. 14 states: "Rumors that Iran’s Supreme Leader, Ali Khamenei, has died began circulating yesterday in Tehran’s bazaar. Today, Iranian bloggers report an “abnormal atmosphere in the city” and increased presence of plainclothes agents in the capital."

The story is here: "Immortal Khamenei?" http://blog.american.com/?p=6148

3. Another source states that he is in a coma:

"IRAN: BLOGS STIRRING, "AYATOLLAH KHAMENEI IS IN COMA" http://www.agi.it/world/news/200910142114-cro-ren0072-iran_blogs_stirring_ayatollah_khamenei_is_in_coma

4. Early story, dated Oct. 13 on PajamasMedia.com:

"Khamenei Said to be in Coma" http://pajamasmedia.com/michaelledeen/2009/10/13/khamenei-said-to-be-in-coma/

paul klenk talk 22:37, 14 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

There seems to be ample evidence that there are rumors of his death. Does that justify adding an "Unconfirmed death report" section? Thundermaker (talk) 23:57, 14 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]
I would think so. paul klenk talk 00:05, 15 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]
ABC News and its Chief Washington Correspondent George Stephanopoulos have mentioned this rumor: http://blogs.abcnews.com/george/2009/10/khamenei-in-coma.html paul klenk talk 00:09, 15 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Excellent handling of the rumors, Thundermaker. paul klenk talk 00:29, 15 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I just want to add: It's important that we do cover this rumor on the page -- as a rumor, because if we don't mention it, people who hear the rumor in other places will come here and insert it as fact. Thundermaker (talk) 02:12, 15 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I've added {{unconfirmed}} to the article to advise readers that the sources regarding Khamenei's supposed coma or near death situation are unconfirmed at present. I've also posted at WP:ANI advising that we may wish to preemptively protect the article. Dr. Cash (talk) 04:14, 15 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

We should definitely keep this out of the article until there is something more substantial. All the sources for this are blogs, except the AGI item which is based on those blogs. Exceptional claims require exceptional sources, and this is very weakly sourced so far. Very high probability of a hoax or baseless rumours. Offliner (talk) 05:31, 15 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Well, since Realite EU(http://www.realite-eu.org/site/c.9dJBLLNkGiF/b.2267931/k.BD8D/Home.htm), a highly regarded thinktank and agency, reported the high credibility of the rumors, I've added it to the article, although still stating that the origin is a rumor.
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