Talk:Ku Klux Klan

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I object to saying that the KKK is Christian but they also like crazy butt sex and enjoy giving each other head at a gift to god. How can an anti-Semitic, racist, fascist murder group be even close to Christian? All true Christians love the Jews! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.237.97.73 (talk) 16:49, 27 June 2009 (UTC)

They believe they are Christian, and in America, you cannot change someone's beliefs, even if they seem morally wrong. I object to this institutions statements that they are christian as well, but there is not anything I can do about it, which defeats the purpose of declaring in order to persuade some change be brought about.

69.201.159.52 (talk) 15:58, 12 July 2009 (UTC)

Generally agree with IP 69, and want to add that they were indeed christian as individuals, and where not so much ignoring their faith when performing the lynchings and such, as they were misinterpreting it. This is the same way hitler considered himself christian, and convinced most of germany that his acts were chrisitian, and that to oppose him would be un-christian.Drew Smith What I've done 01:53, 4 August 2009 (UTC)

Drew,

Hitler & the Nazis absolutely did not consider themselves to be Christians or religious in any way. They were as "Godless" as Lenin and Stalin.--TL36 (talk) 21:40, 29 August 2009 (UTC)

To answer the original poster, there has actually been a long history of conflict between Christians and Jews, see Christianity and antisemitism. Many German churches were decorated with the Judensau. A quote from the antisemitism article for you:

“ Without centuries of Christian antisemitism, Hitlers passionate hatred would never have been so fervently echoed...because for centuries Christians have held Jews collectively responsible for the death of Jesus. On Good Friday Jews, have in times past, cowered behind locked doors with fear of a Christian mob seeking 'revenge' for deicide. Without the poisoning of Christian minds through the centuries, the holocaust is unthinkable.[3] The dissident Catholic priest Hans Küng has written that "Nazi anti-Judaism was the work of godless, anti-Christian criminals. But it would not have been possible without the almost two thousand years' pre-history of 'Christian' anti-Judaism... ”

So in conclusion, yes, the idea of a Christian organisation like the KKK being antisemitic is not that surprising. Josh Keen (talk) 02:44, 9 October 2009 (UTC)

Back in the 1920's some smaller KKK groups formed in the north that were strong Christians. Some of theses groups were not against blacks but were against Italians. It depends largely on geography and crime in the area the way some of these groups developed. This was during a period when there was strong mafia control in some neighborhoods that these short lived KKK groups were trying to eliminate.--Windowasher (talk) 19:59, 14 October 2009 (UTC)

Tweaks

What is the source of the blockquote following the section on Madge Oberholtzer ? Skywriter (talk) 23:56, 27 July 2009 (UTC)

From Leonard Moore's Citizen Klansmen, p. 186, the citation immediately preceding the blockquote. Maybe we should move the footnote to the end of the blockquote? Pirate Dan (talk) 00:56, 28 July 2009 (UTC)

Yes. Skywriter (talk) 01:15, 28 July 2009 (UTC)

There needs to be a transition between the end of this sentence. 'This contributed to white Democrats regaining political power in the southern states. and the beginning of the next: In 1915, ... As in what happened in the intervening years? Skywriter (talk) 02:41, 28 July 2009 (UTC)

Exalted Cyclops redirects here but there's no mention in the article. I assume it's a title... 216.165.95.70 (talk) 19:07, 14 September 2009 (UTC)

Birth of KKK

{{editsemiprotected}} The date of December 24, 1865 is a post-fact reinvention, and is not historically accurate. Allen Trelease, in his book White Terror, has a good discussion on this (pp. 1-2). Most probable date of the first meeting is June 1866 (we have nothing more accurate than that, although the Pulaski KKK celebrated its first birthday on June 5, 1867). —Preceding unsigned comment added by Frhoo (talk • contribs) 14:44, 12 August 2009 (UTC)

 Not done for now: please establish a consensus for this alteration before using the {{Edit semi-protected}} template. It seems there is some contention about the date; the Time article lists the earlier date, for instance. Is there any source to support the fact that the December date is mistaken? Celestra (talk) 18:41, 18 August 2009 (UTC)

I agree that the change would need concensus. I had reviewed this request shortly after it was posted, but it seems we have two sources making conflicting statements, so I refrained from editing until there is some agreement from other editors. If one source is clearly more reliable (ie, scholarly rather than specualtive), then that would certainly be the prefered reference. If they appear equally valid, then we might need to list both possible dates, mention the conflict, and cite both sources. I've seen this done in many other "historical" articles where the facts can't be known with certainty and there are different interpretations. Doc Tropics 19:50, 18 August 2009 (UTC)

That was my thought, as well. If there is a good reference that claims the (somewhat dubious) Christmas Eve date is a revisionist construct, so be it. If there isn't, some mention of the conflict seems appropriate. Celestra (talk) 20:21, 19 August 2009 (UTC)

Liberators - "Dutch propaganda poster from 1944"???

It's a Nazi propaganda poster! Holland was occupied by Germany in 1944. And B-24 Liberator was an American bomber. --83.13.135.170 (talk) 10:25, 26 September 2009 (UTC)

No kidding. Thanks for noticing that. Fixed. --jpgordon^{::==( o )} 00:07, 27 September 2009 (UTC)

Creationists

The Scopes Trial says that the KKK were one of the groups which was strongly for creationism and against the teaching of evolution, presumably because of their Christian beliefs. Might be worth mentioning this in the article as I hadn't heard about their anti-evolution activities before. Josh Keen (talk) 02:38, 9 October 2009 (UTC)

is all of this