Talk:The Fourth Kind

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Claim: Based on Actual Events

I think the wikipost needs to be re-edited since there is no proof of viral marketing by the producers. Did anyone try to contact the producer? The article seems REALLY BIASED, written in an accusatory manner by people who think the movie is all viral marketing. The movie claimed to be "dramatization" of real events, and forums have controversial discussions about the truth of this movie, many of which support the validity of the movie. The movie claims to be based on a combination of case studies, not based on specific missing persons from Nome. And how is the location of where it is filmed an important matter or viral marketing? The producers admitted to not filming in Nome because of harsh weather conditions so it makes sense that they would choose a different location. E.A. 18:38, 28 September 2009 (UTC)

I cannot find any actual events this creative work is based upon. I think the claim may be a Blair Witch Project-style Guerrilla Marketing campaign. Abe Froman (talk)

Just a thought, since the name of this movie is "Fourth Kind" as a reference to the classifications set forth by UFO researchers, could the "case studies" actually just be any of a number of UFO stories. In other words, the case studies might not be a "medical case studies". It would be very misleading, but it would give the movie studio an excuse.

Fine, I've changed the wording. Nevertheless, to call it a hoax, without any external sources to back this up, would constitute original research. As it is, the "based on actual events" thing is simply a claim made by the movie makers, and isn't anything we need to take a position on. Lampman (talk) 15:03, 28 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Anyway, I've added an external - reasonably reliable - source that comments on the story's alleged veracity. Lampman (talk) 23:02, 30 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I would think that any information garnered from Dermot Cole's blog at the newsminer.com could not be used in this page. He does nothing but list content from other sources (namely the movie synopsis and a list of "sightings" taken from the movie's promotional site), and follow it up with one or two lines of wild speculations that do not actually add anything to the argument. He lacks citations and credibility. Ageotas (talk) 04:54, 15 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

This article is obviously being tended by a Guerilla Marketer for the movie. The sources cited are media tie-in's to the movie. No Reliable Sources claim anything like what this astroturf does. I added the hoax tag as a result. Abe Froman (talk) 20:38, 21 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I searched for Dr Abigail Tyler in the Alaskan database of professional licenses. If she exists, she is not licensed to practice medicine in Alaska. This leads me to believe the backstory attributed to her is a hoax. Abe Froman (talk) 18:20, 22 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

This article is not a hoax; see IMDb. If there are inaccurate elements in the article, feel free to remove them, and explain your removal(s) in your edit summary and on this talk page. The hoax tag does not apply to this article because this article is not a hoax. If there is questionable content in the article, {{Disputed}} or {{Disputed-section}} would be the correct template to use on the article. Finally, if you doubt this film's notability per Wikipedia:Notability (films), feel free to nominate it for deletion. Cunard (talk) 06:04, 23 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Agreeing with user Abe above. Whoever is linking to websites that claim to have evidence supporting the real-world existence of Dr. Abigail, is linking to websites which do not support the assertion. While the hoax tag may not be accurate (since the article is about an actual movie, which does exist) the text of the article should be monitored so that statements of "facts" can be denoted as "claims" where necessary.

I've added details about the article from the the "rural alaska blog." The sentence that had preceded the reference footnote had made it seem like the article it referenced was neutral; I changed the word "addresses" to the world "assails," and have also added specifics from the referenced article which relate to its argument. My intention was only to ensure that this wikipedia article more accurately relate the nature of the referenced article and its arguments re: the validity of the movie's claims. Notowen (talk) 17:41, 1 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

There definitely seems to be something fishy going on here. Now the article reads that "a posting on the website for the Anchorage Daily News examined the validity of the film's premise". First of all it was not just some random "posting", it was an investigative article written by one of the newspaper's journalists, though in blog form. Secondly, "examined" is a weasel word to put it mildly; the article stops just short of calling the whole thing bullshit. I think Abe might be right that there's some sort of guerilla marketing going on here. I can't bother to go through the whole article history, but it might be worth doing at some point, including a check of IP addresses. Lampman (talk) 23:39, 14 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Ok, a quick check confirmed that User:GravelStache has made two edits to the article, both removing material critical of the film's premise. The account was created on 30 September, and has no other edits. It would be good to hear from this editor, to confirm that there is no conflict of interest at play here. Lampman (talk) 23:46, 14 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]