Talk:Pune

Software Section

There are currently 40 companies listed in one single sentence as having a presence in Pune. Not every company in PUne needs to mentioned on the Pune page, and most of it appears to be shameless plugging anyways. I think this section should be spun off into a separate page, avoiding company names in Pune article if possible as I believe it would be difficult to come up with a criteria to decide what company names belong on main Pune article. As it is, most of that section is names of companies and nothing else. I'll wait a couple of days to see if anyone has a better suggestion, else I will do it myself. Anish7 (talk) 22:16, 7 October 2009 (UTC)

I guess a new wiki for software industry in Pune is a good idea. -- Nachiket 02:28, 23 October 2009 (UTC)(talk)

Diaspora section unnecessary

"Many Pune residents temporarily living all over the world, from Mumbai, Bangalore and Hyderabad to U.S., U.K., Canada, Australia, Singapore and so on. These people are Working (or studying). " The language is appalling, and there is nothing unique to be said in stating that people move from one city to another for work or study purposes. I have removed the section Anish7 (talk) 21:53, 7 October 2009 (UTC)

What has happened to this page?!

I visited this page after a long hiatus and was appalled at the quality of language and the blatant violation of the NPOV, especially in the History section. I appeal to all would-be editors to keep their local/national pride aside for a moment and check out some articles on other cities to comprehend the nature and purpose of articles in an encyclopedia.

Mukul2u

Shivaji Raje’s Contribution to Pune

Someone has removed a sentence mentioning Shivaji Maharaj spend his early years in this city, if you are not sure just ask any expert or authorised person about this why to remove the sentence? also why some one is keeping peshwa related information intact and removing Shivaji Maharaj related information from the page? this is not good.

regards, Vaibhav Deshpande —Preceding unsigned comment added by Vaibhavforjoy (talk • contribs) 06:29, 10 June 2008 (UTC)

Sorry, I didn't see this message before writing on your wall! I removed the line about Shivaji, while leaving the line about the Peshwe. My understanding is that while Shivaji spent his early years in the city, this did not have much influence on the development of the city (I would argue that Dadoji Kondev and Shahaji had a much bigger part in Pune's medieval history). However, Pune rose from being a small town to a large, extremely important town because of the influence of the Peshwe, first as patrons of the town, and then - after they assumed effective control of the Maratha empire - as the capital of the entire empire. Without Shivaji spending his childhood there, Pune wouldn't have changed much one way or another (except as a side-effect of his founding the Maratha empire). Without Peshwa patronage, however, Pune would likely have remained a small, backwater town. For this reason, I think it's important to mention the Peshwa history in the introductory paragraphs, but not so important to mention Shivaji's relatively small and inconsequential stay in the city.

Of course, Shivaji's stay is an interesting brush with history for the town - who would have suspected what that little boy would become? - and definitely deserves to be in the History section, where it is, along with the anecdote of Jijabai naming the Kasba Ganapati and Dadoji Kondev's development of the town. However, I don't think it's significant enough to be in the introductory paragraphs - along the example of articles like New York City and Mumbai, I feel that the city's history should be limited in the introductory paragraph, in favour of more information on the city's present; I would be against having even the mention of the Peshwa, except that I believe (as mentioned above) that the Peshwe were crucial to Pune's development from a small town to a significant city, as were the British and the recent industrialization - which is why they are mentioned in the same paragraph as well.

Let's not get into an edit war over this; in that spirit, I'm not going to revert Vaibhav's edit. Vaibhav: please argue your point of view, and - if you convince me - I'll merge your edits into the article and ensure they stay in the article myself. Until such a conversion, however, I'll stick with my point of view, which is that mentioning Shivaji in the introductory paragraph is a bad idea. -- Gaurav (talk) 08:21, 10 June 2008 (UTC)

Gaurav,

Please find answer of ur question in below points.

1] In 1637, Shivaji Raje got ownership (sardeshmukhi) of Pune. After receiving guidance from Dadoji Konddev and Mother Jijabai he can be credited for construction big dam near Kondhana and Dam on 'Ambil' river which passes between city. He,with the help of Dadoji tried to bring more land for under cultivation. As a result population of Pune rose 2-3 times in 1658,comparing to 1636.This is due to wave of migration from surrounding areas to Pune, as the city had better administration, Law & order and growth prospects.

According to Shivaji, he was born in 1630. Did he really get ownership at the age of seven? If you have a reference for this, brilliant - we'll be able to improve both Pune and Shivaji!

2] Pune surrounding had 36 villages at that time like Aundh, Parvati, Kothrud etc. Shivaji Maharaj can be credited for streamlining of the revenue of villages to Pune. He made Pune as capital Pune Pargana as mentioned in historic documents, this was not done by earlier administrators of Pune like Rango Dhadphale or Murar Jogdev. In 1657, When Maharaj attacked Junnar and Ahmednagar his army base was Pune at that time.

3] In 1670,he developed 14 peths for trade activities ( peths was already existed but a setup of trade activities had been developed) around Pune,each Peth was having one name representing a day of week like Somawar,Mangalwar peth etc. Means Monday was "market day" for Somawr peth traders, Thursday for Guruwar Peth traders so on this activity was first started during Shivaji Raje's period.

I didn't know that! You should add this to Peths in Pune; it'd be great to have more information about life in central Pune all those hundreds of years ago.

4] No of Peths developed during Shivaji Raje’s period : 14 and No of Peths developed during Peshwa’s period : 4

We've only got four peths listed on Peths in Pune built during Shivaji's rule. Do you have a list of the other ten? Could you please add them there?

5] During Peshwa's period, mainly Sadashiv,Narayan peths had been developed to accommodate clerks and Priest came to Pune from Konkan area. Other two peths developed during peshwa period are Nana and Rasta peths , those had some trade activities but note that large scale trade activities had been started in city long back in 1670,it is not like that only during peshwa rule, Pune witnessed growth or trade activities.

6] During 1818 to 1970, large scale migration of traders from central area of city to Rasta,Nana Peth happened, some people who came to Pune after 1947 or after 1955, have misinterpreted this as, only Rasta and Nana peths in Pune have trade activities since historic time not the central areas of city, since it was known that these two peths had developed during Peshwa period, they gave importance to peshwa period than Shivaji Raje’s period. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Vaibhavforjoy (talk • contribs) 08:03, 11 June 2008 (UTC)

Other than to point out that you ought to sign your post (just put four tildes - ~~~~ - at the end of your post; when you save your page, it'll be replaced with your username and the time of posting), congratulations! I hope you add this information - preferably with citations? - to the article. You might also want to start a new article - History of Pune? - and put your information there, so as not to clutter up the Pune article. Properly cited, this information will be an incredibly valuable addition the all the articles on Pune's history! -- Gaurav (talk) 17:49, 13 June 2008 (UTC)

Capital of Maratha Kingdom?

"gained prominence as the capital of the Maratha kingdom under the Peshwa rule. It was during this period that the city expanded considerably"

It was never a capital of Maratha Kingdom. It was the seat of the Peshva, the PrimeMinister of the Maratha kingdom. It was the center of power of the Maratha Kingdom as the Peshva ruled in the name of Shahu and was the most powerful person in his cabinet. The quoted sentence makes you feel as if it was a capital and the Peshwa's were the rulers while technically they weren't. I wasn't sure how to edit the sentence though. Can somebody take care of this based on the information I gave? --Kaveri 20:54, 23 May 2007 (UTC)

Kaveri, If you have enough proof of what you claim, you can go ahead and edit history section. Don't forget to mention proof in reference section. cheers spacejuncky 06:30, 24 May 2007 (UTC)

Hi guys, this was an interesting poin and I would like to suggest something. It could be mentioned "Pune acted as a capital & center of Power of the Maratha Empire as the defacto ruler Peshwa ruled were seated in the city. This made Pune a vitual capital of India during the period as Maratha Empire was controlling territory of over 250 million acres (1 million km²) or one-third of the Indian sub-continent -- Mayuresh Bhagwat (talk) 12:42, 19 September 2008 (UTC)

I disagree. I think the current text covers Pune's significance under the Maratha Empire and Confederancy quite adequately. If anything, I'd love to see another paragraph in the History section about Pune's history after independence. -- Gaurav (talk) 17:06, 24 October 2008 (UTC)

Missing information/additional content

Floods of 1961 ....MISSING?

Hi, Can anyone update the catastrophy of the 1961 flood due to the Panshet Dam collapse? -- Mayuresh Bhagwat (talk) 13:24, 19 September 2008 (UTC)

It should definitely be added to History of Pune. I don't know if it was significant enough to be added to the history section on this page, but as I pointed out above, the history section does not touch on Pune's history from 1947-2008 at all! -- Gaurav (talk) 17:06, 24 October 2008 (UTC)

Pune Festival

How about the mention of Pune Festival in the Ganesh Festival column? -- Mayuresh Bhagwat (talk) 15:17, 19 September 2008 (UTC)

There was a mention of this festival, but I removed it as I felt the "Culture: Religion" section was becoming too big. If you think it's significant enough to be mentioned here (and not, say, in Maharashtra instead, for instance), please go ahead and write a few lines on the subject. -- Gaurav (talk) 17:06, 24 October 2008 (UTC)

lock the page?

hi folks,

can we please request the pune page to be protected i.e. only registered users can make edits?

it is very hard to come back to this page every 2 months and track down which version had some section that was deleted by some vandal, and then buried by someone who added something but did not revert the vandalism.

i am saying this because IP address 59.95.52.179 deleted the entire transport section and i had to go back >50 versions to find the missing material.

thanks --ti 16:42, 3 June 2008 (UTC)

Hi ti. I think locking the page is really a measure of last resort on Wikipedia, the editing of pages being the site's biggest USP. Popular pages like Pune will attract lots of helpful people who fix a spelling or add a helpful sentence, and plenty of others who will add their own photos (dimly lit people dancing under bright lights - encyclopaedic?), their own colleges, and - what really gets my goat - redundant information which is already mentioned elsewhere on the page. The "Wikipedia" solution would be to have people watching the page; I try, but when too many semi-sensible edits I don't approve of pile up, I usually sit back for a while and let the vox populi figure it out, before swooping in to clean up entire sections at a go.

As an aside, I did notice the transport section vanishing, but as I tacitly approved - I think this article has grown far too big for its own good - I left it alone. As an inclusionist, though, I'm pretty ambivalent to whether the section is in or not, as long as it's well written, so I'm not going to revert your reinsert or anything. Besides, your moving the peths out of the main article has really given us a lot of space to work with, and improved the flow of the article in general: the transport sections "fits" much better now than it did earlier.

I'm also hoping that the better the article gets, the fewer semi-nonsense edits will occur on it. Right now, many sections are bad enough that people feel adding a word or a line is an improvement, and I'm not going to disagree with them. Once the entire article and all sections are well-written, nicely laid out and self-consistant, it's going to be harder to make an edit which improves the article, making it easier for us, the Watchers, to distinguish between a well-meaning but badly written edit (I'm a big believer in WP:FAITH) and outright vandalism.

So, in summary: we need more people to watch and work on this article, I don't think locking the page is the answer, and I'm really glad somebody else is watching the page as well. =)

Gaurav (talk) 05:43, 4 June 2008 (UTC)

Thanks Gaurav, i agree with your insight. as long as a few of us are watching the (or for that many article), one of us will take note when a whole section goes missing again! :-) --ti 15:32, 4 June 2008 (UTC)

put economy, climate first ,then history..

god knows who is deleteing this constrcutive changes everyday? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 203.99.215.11 (talk) 07:05, 6 June 2008 (UTC)

Hi 203.99.215.11,

First off, welcome to Wikipedia! It'll be a lot easier for us to discuss changes to this and other pages you work on if you create an account - you just need an e-mail address and a password. Having a presence in the community will help distinguish your changes from anonymous editors, who usually make small changes rather than large-scale reorganizations like you are doing, and will let the other editors on Pune work together to resolve our differences, and make this - and all other Wikipedia articles - are great as possible.

Putting the history of the city first has a long precedent on Wikipedia, as reflected in articles on Mumbai, London, New York City, Kolkatta and Moscow. I feel that it introduces people to the past before diving into the present of the city. The current "History" section does, I think, a good job in summarising the history of the city and would give people an idea about where Pune is situated - within the history of Maharashtra and India - before reading about where Pune is situated economically and geographically, for instance.

Also, in my opinion, the "Economy" section is grossly oversized, and trimming it back would help. As it stands, it's almost entirely a list of company names. This encourages individual editors to add their own companies to the list (something which hasn't happened since I cleaned up that section, praise the heavens), and fails to give any real information to people who do not know about these companies. If somebody were to wipe out the Economy section, and replace it with a few paragraphs - with citations! - about the sectors currently prominent in Pune, with a few companies as illustration, economic sectors which are coming to the fore, and those which are being encouraged - whether successfully or otherwise - by the local and state governments, I wouldn't be at all displeased.

I'm not a big fan of the climate section, either, but I guess that it - along with geographical information - are essential to explaining the place.

In short: welcome to Wikipedia, and I hope you stay; I think the previous order is the better one, but if you've got good arguments why it isn't, I'll be glad to hear it; and I wish somebody would rewrite the economy section - but only if they have real, meaningful, cited information to contribute.

cheers, Gaurav (talk) 09:03, 6 June 2008 (UTC)

hi 203.99.215.11, the Pune article is being structured with guidelines from wp:WikiProject Indian cities, see the top of this talk page. maybe you should take your point there. --ti 17:29, 9 June 2008 (UTC)

Economy - cleanup of software companies

I agree that the list was too long, but I would hardly call some of these companies "minor software companies". Amdocs, BMC Software, IBM, Dell, Symantec, and Oracle have all been removed from the list, yet they are some of the biggest software companies in the world. All that has been left in are three big Indian companies. Surely it is important to show that big multinationals are also situated in Pune. Cymruisrael (talk) 10:58, 2 July 2008 (UTC)

Fair enough. Do you have any ideas on how we can draw up a list of relevant companies? Once we have consensus on a handful of companies (say, five Indian and five multinationals) representing the software companies with a presence in Pune, we can stick to that and revert any further additions to that list. I'd love it if we could set some criteria, and enforce that instead - I was trying for "companies which have pages on Wikipedia", but large companies like KPIT Cummins don't have pages, which I can imagine smaller companies have Wikipedia pages and end up on this list instead. Perhaps if many of these companies are in the same area, we could use that to organize them; for instance:

• IT Park X: Infosys, IBM, etc.
• Central Pune: Dell, Symantec, etc.
• And so on

which might also encourage passers-by to be a bit more selective about companies to add to this list. Maybe.

We could also make a separate list page (analagous to List of colleges in Pune), but I expect that's going to be even harder to maintain.

I'd love to hear any better ideas flying around. None of the other pages I usually check on have done anything like this; neither Mumbai nor New York City have a list of companies in their economy section. Still, if we can figure out a way of doing it right here, we could "export" it to other articles!

Thoughts, anybody? -- Gaurav (talk) 11:13, 2 July 2008 (UTC)

Companies in the Economy section

To prevent excessive company listings in the Economy section, I propose that we maintain a list of exactly which companies must be listed, and the reasons for listing these companies. That way, any new listing of a company can be referred to this page. It will help remove unimportant companies (I've never heard of "ITW", which is on the page at the moment), provide consensus on which companies are important enough to be worthy of a mention, and give me something to link to when reverting somebody adding yet another company name to the Economy section.

To summarize: I propose that nobody add new names to the company list until such additions have been properly discussed on this talk page.

(If you disagree that the Economy section needs policing - and are not convinced by the state of the Economy section before the current cleanup - please discuss this in another part of this talk page, thanks! If there's consensus that this is a stupid idea, I'll wipe this section out myself.)

I propose that no company should be included in more than one list, and that no list should have more than four companies on it. That way, we'll give more companies "exposure" through this website, and avoid the long lists of company names which used to exist on this page earlier.

The economy section currently lists the following companies:

• Prominent domestic autorickshaw and two-wheeler manufacturers with major plants in Pune:
  • Bajaj Auto
  • Kinetic Motor Company

• Prominent domestic car, tempo and truck manufacturers with plants in Pune.
  • Tata Motors - Major national car manufacturer
  • Force Motors - tempo and truck manufacturer
  • Fiat - to set up greenfield facilities near Pune

• Prominent international car, tempo and truck manufacturers with plants in Pune.
  • Daimler-Chrysler
  • General Motors - to set up greenfield facilities near Pune
  • Volkswagen - to set up greenfield facilities near Pune

• Automobile component manufacturers (?):
  • TATA Autocomp Systems Limited TACO
  • Visteon
  • Continental Corporation
  • ITW

• General manufacturing (should reduce to four):
  • Bharat Forge - major national forge manufacturer
  • Cummins - major national engine manufacturer
  • Alfa Laval - Other major manufacturers
  • Thyssen Krupp - Other major manufacturers
  • Black & Veatch - Other major manufacturers

• Major international electronics manufacturers with large plants in Pune:
  • Whirlpool Corporation
  • LG Group

• Multinational corporations in the food industry with food processing plants in Pune:
  • Frito Lay
  • Coca Cola

• Significant software manufacturing/out-sourcing companies with large offices in Pune:
  • Tata Consultancy Services
  • Tech Mahindra
  • Wipro
  • Infosys

• Significant in the Indian business process outsourcing industry, with large offices in Pune:
  • Convergys
  • Infosys BPO
  • EXL
  • Wipro BPO

• The following companies are significant players (?) in (?) and are going to set up operations in Pune:
  • vCustomer
  • Ventura
  • Mphasis

• Major international companies with significant departments in Pune:
  • HSBC - Their Global Technology Center has been set up in Pune.

• The following IT parks are large, recent constructions which highlight the developing software industry in Pune (we should really reduce this to four!):
  • Rajiv Gandhi IT Park at Hinjawadi
  • Magarpatta Cybercity
  • MIDC Software Technology Park at Talawade
  • Marisoft IT Park
  • Kumar Cerebrum IT Park at Kalyani Nagar
  • International Convention Centre (ICC)
  • Weikfield IT Park

Discussions which seem to have ended

Trivial Information in Geography Section

It seems that Geography section is not a correct place for following text:

Outside Pune's General Post Office (GPO), next to a large banyan tree in front lies Pune's "Zero" Milestone. The GPO itself (constructed 1873-74) is a two-storied building -- Pune's only building in the Palladian architectural style.

Should it be moved to some other place or removed entirely from the article? --64.236.245.243 (talk) 16:53, 28 December 2007 (UTC)

I have removed those lines for the time being. 64.236.245.243 (talk) 17:34, 28 January 2008 (UTC)

For Nature Outings and Photography

In my opinion, this section which reads

Kavdi / Kavadi, It is 20 km away from pune on the Pune - Solapur highway. Just after the toll naka on the highway about 50m ahead you get a board Kavdipat(on ur left) you need to take a left at the board and go in there for about 5 mins where you come across the banks of the river ,where birds can be sighted.

seems inappropriate in an encyclopedia article. It may deserve a spot in Wikitravel, but we should remove it from the current article. However, the final decision may be taken after a general conscience. Please discuss the topic over hear before reintroducing this section. 64.236.245.243 (talk) 20:42, 8 February 2008 (UTC)

Why do we have three photographs of Infosys?

They are doubtless impressive but Pune is hardly known for Infosys. I'm removing the one above the map since it serves no useful purpose.

Mukul —Preceding unsigned comment added by Mukul2u (talk • contribs) 16:37, 25 February 2008 (UTC)

What I'm Doing

Hi everybody,

Just to explain what I'm trying to do with this article, how I will be working on it; please feel free to chime in, either here or on the article itself:

1. Clean up the article as far as possible without deleting anything. We'll end up with a huge, but hopefully well-written, article.
2. Move the really big sections into their own pages. History of Pune is definitely coming; we already have lists of colleges and universities in Pune, so moving content there should help shrink this article down to a more reasonable size.
3. Once the big sections have been compressed, we'll do a cleanup of the whole article again, improve the writing quality and encyclopaedic language.
4. Through all this, and especially after step 3, the quality of this article will have to be maintained. Many contributors aren't familiar with Wiki syntax and conventions. Their contributions will have to be edited to maintain a consistent tone. Additions to sections with spin-off articles (e.g. List of colleges in Pune) might be moved to the spin-off article rather than cluttering up the Pune article.
5. Of course, many of these contributions will extremely valuable, particularly those with citations and references. We will also have to build up references (Mumbai has 71, while Pune only has 19!), assemble other interesting information, find good photographs for this article.
6. Polish, polish, polish, all the way to featured article!

Well, of course, that's my plan for now. Plans can and do change, and I'm sure you guys will have fantastic suggestions to help us along. If there's a major problem with the above, please let me know. Otherwise, join in! I for one think this article could be much, much, much better than it is right now.

Suggested by Gaurav (talk) 18:58, 21 April 2008 (UTC)

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Article is too long

Article is already 58 kilobytes long, making it difficult to read. I suggest that History and Transport should be split into subpages. There is already a seperate page for Education in Pune, I think information is being repeated there. Anish7 (talk) 21:26, 19 February 2009 (UTC)

Thoroughly agree. IMHO, the article is reasonably tight until the "Transport" section; sections below that point need to be drastically shortened. History of Pune is already a subpage, and transport can probably become one as well. I'd love to see "Economy" split off as well - it just ends up becoming a long list of everybody's favourite companies, and a separate page would allow it to become large enough to be interesting in its own right. -- Gaurav (talk) 05:44, 15 March 2009 (UTC)

Chatuhshrungi

Chatuhshrungi (चतु:श्रुंगी) is the correct spelling and pronunciation . Please correct it. Contributions/71.58.105.61 (talk) 08:51, 15 June 2009 (UTC)Aditya k.

Add Pune in the Template Metropolitan cities of India

Need to add Pune in the Template Metropolitan cities of India. The populations of all 2 Municipal corporations namely Pune municipal corporation, Pimpri Chinchwad Municipal corporation and all 3 cantonments need to be added to cross the 4 lac benchmark to qualify it as a Metro. I see Hyderabad being included in that list but not Pune. Need to follow up and continiously add name of Pune in the Template : Metropolitan cities of India. also only 2 cities namely Pune and Mumbai need to be included in the template Template : Metropolitan cities of Maharastra. Do add in the Template : Metropolitan cities of India, the entry of Pune, by editing it and adding along with Mumbai, Kolcatta, Chennai, Hyderabad, Bangalore and Delhi. Only adding it will percolatate the thought that the combined population of PMC and PCMC does cross the 40 lac bench mark to qualify it as a metro on that template. —Preceding unsigned comment added by BostonPunekar (talk • contribs) 01:10, 17 June 2009 (UTC)

About Next Pune Wikimeetup

We would like to have next Wiki Meetup in Pune soon ,so please leave your comments at Wikipedia:Meetup/Pune2

Mahitgar (talk) 10:17, 2 July 2009 (UTC)

Do we really need to have the two bus photos in the transport section?

I see no value in having the two bus photographs and stating information such as it is a Shivneri Volvo bus. Should we delete them?Adange (talk) 06:06, 25 July 2009 (UTC)