Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Nothnegal (2nd nomination)

Nothnegal

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Placed article for discussion after PROD tag was removed without reason given. After some research into this and similar articles, I've been unable to find any apparent reliable third-party sources to use as references. There are no citations used in the article to suggest or affirm notability, and no Wikipedia articles extended or linking in appear to grant notability by legacy. ♪ daTheisen (talk) 19:39, 31 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Comment: This article only links to others within Wikipedia that seem to be of the same very narrow subject and scope, and give the appearance of a self-referencing group of bombardment articles maintained by the same limited number of editors. I decided to put a few articles up for discussion versus jumping to conclusions and trying to make a wider report. ♪ daTheisen (talk) 19:41, 31 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Note: The article has been deleted by AfD before, but since it has been a fair amount of time I didn't want to tag it as merely a recreation. ♪ daTheisen (talk) 19:41, 31 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Bands and musicians-related deletion discussions. —J04n(talk page) 21:43, 31 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

KEEP —i dont see a reason why you have nominated this article for deletion. here are the reasons why i believe they must be noted.

1 - they are a band who's lineup includes noted musicians Reference: [1] - it states on noted band Kalmah's official website that Marco Sneck IS A member of Nothnegal i have included more references for this in the article, and this you can see that this news of them joining was covered on a lot of heavy metal websites and even blabbermouth which is on of the most reliable source of news for heavy metal and other music.

2 - they have released an album produced by a noted producer, this album also contains contributions from noted musicians. Reference: [2] Nothnegal is listed on the official website of the noted producer as one of his clients which proves that he worked on the album. Reference: [3] this album is listed on the noted musician Risto Ruuth who contributed a solo to the album which proves that he did feature on it.

3 - they are featured on major noted music instrument brands along with other noted bands Reference: [4] Nothnegal is featured on Jackson Guitars websites as one of their endorsee and artist, i havent included all the links to their endorsed websites but you can see that they are endorsed by several instrument manufacturers if you search for it.

4 - they have performed internationally with other noted and some of the most popular bands of their genre Reference: [5] (check the 'artists 2009' page) this is the official website of one of the noted festivals and proves that Nothnegal performed on their festival in Portugal along with some of the biggest bands in metal today.

5 - their material have been reviewed and they have been interviewed by websites and magazines. Reference: [6], [7].

so i dont see any reason why you should delete this page and also everything on it is verifiable through the official website of the artist, company or person as i have referenced. and as you can see most of the references on Nothnegal's article page is referenced to [blabbermouth.net] the reason is that it is the most reliable heavy metal source of all and doesnt write unwanted news.

i understand that this page was deleted about 9 months back, and there was every reason to delete it back then. but when i wrote it this time i made sure the band had achieved enough to be noted. and actually they have.

so please review this again, i'm sure this is a mistake. thank you. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Mv head (talk • contribs) 05:06, 1 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

STRONG KEEP — i went through wikipedia's: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:MUSIC#Criteria_for_musicians_and_ensembles

and according to its:

(6th criteria (which Nothnegal passes clearly): (nothnegal do have:) two or more independently notable musicians, (both these musicians are:) members of two or more independently notable ensembles.

and they do pass the 1st, 2nd criterias as well.

(1st criteria: Has been the subject of multiple non-trivial published works whose source is independent from the musician or ensemble itself and reliable)

nothnegal's news have been covered on:
1- http://www.roadrunnerrecords.com/blabbermouth.net/news.aspx?mode=Article&newsitemID=113435
2- http://www.roadrunnerrecords.com/blabbermouth.net/news.aspx?mode=Article&newsitemID=129636
3- http://www.metalstorm.ee/events/news_comments.php?news_id=8073
4- http://www.bravewords.com/news/105615

(2nd criteria: Has received non-trivial coverage in a reliable source of an international concert tour, or a national concert tour in at least one sovereign country)

noted festival caos emergente's website and myspace confirms that Nothnegal performed on their festival in Portugal along with other notable bands.
1- http://www.caos-emergente.com (refer to 'artists 2009' page)
2- http://www.myspace.com/caosemergente
3- http://blogs.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=blog.view&friendId=78857058&blogId=506598688 (concert poster)

--Mv head (talk) 07:36, 1 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

it seems like the only bands and musicians who are notable for you are the ones that reach billboard 200, mainstream media or have albums certified gold or platinum. thousands of articles about bands who have not yet achieved that standard have existed on wikipedia. i believe you should go on tagging them as well?

blabbermouth.net alone have plenty of articles covering Nothnegal: http://www.roadrunnerrecords.com/Blabbermouth.net/news.aspx?mode=Search&searchtext=nothnegal&x=0&y=0