Talk:Great power/Archive 12

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Consensus

Since User:Lear 21 and User:KJohansson seem to feel they have obtained "consensus" and that other editors are "hypocritical" in not agreeing to their views, I will attempt to dispel the baffling conclusion they have drawn.

Support G8/EU

User:Lear 21 and User:KJohansson

No Support

User:Viewfinder, User:Phoenix79, User:Dpaajones, User:BritishWatcher, User:Imperium Europeum, User:Emw, User:Nirvana888

It seems quite clear to be that consensus for these controversial edits has not been obtained. Nirvana888 (talk) 01:16, 19 October 2009 (UTC)

Why, oh why, must Lear and Johanson continue to antagonise other editors by continuing to reinstate contested material which the majority of other editors are opposing? Why, oh why??? All they are doing is fuelling bad feeling, contravening WP:BRD, and obstructing consensus. Application of the many dispute resolution procedures that are available would be better.

I reaffirm my opposition to the G8 image and addition of the G8 to the lead section because the G8 includes Canada and Italy but excludes China.

Regarding the EU, I do not oppose the addition of the material to the EU paragraph, and other changes to the introduction, but I oppose the listing of the EU alongside EU member states as demanded by Lear and Johanson because it creates a contradictory situation which will confuse readers. If it were up to me neither the EU nor any of its member states would be listed. The EU has no military forces, was divided down the middle over Iraq, can by paralyzed by any one of its member states and has cultures which primarily belong to its member states. The Encarta source does not even mention the EU. If other academic sources claim the EU is a great power then this should be mentioned. We are agreed about that. If we list both the EU and EU member states, then it should be made clear that that is because of differing academic opinion, not that the EU and its member states can be great powers at the same time. You cannot have great powers within great powers. Viewfinder (talk) 14:01, 19 October 2009 (UTC)

My position is very similar to Viewfinder's. I oppose the G8 image and the inclusion of EU in the table for the same reasons. I support the inclusion of the EU paragraph in its current state and I am also willing to consider adjustments to the paragraph provided reliable sources are listed on the Talk page and consensus is reached BEFORE adding/reverting questionable material. Nirvana888 (talk) 14:34, 19 October 2009 (UTC)

Please stick to the respective talk topics. Lear 21 (talk) 21:55, 19 October 2009 (UTC)