Talk:The Fame

The Cherrytree Sessions as next album

I recently added The Cherrytree Sessions to the next album field in the infobox which was reverted with the reason, "EP is not an album, please check the definition." I believe that as a part of Gaga's non-single discography, it should be included in that field, and I wanted to gain consensus here and see what other editors think. POKERdance ^talk/contribs 03:10, 15 August 2009 (UTC)

See this link. The official cut off for EPs to be included as albums are 25minutes of length and 4 featured tracks. Cherrytree fails in both respect in that case. Also, the chronology is for albums and not EPs. The Template:Infobox Album has provision for the chronology of an EP, if the artist choses to release any such thing other than Cherrytree. --Legolas ^(talk2me) 04:44, 17 August 2009 (UTC)

Never mind. I was adding it in the discography because of examples such as Greatest Hits: My Prerogative and Chaotic (Britney Spears EP), but now I get why it's included in the chronology there and not here. POKERdance ^talk/contribs 04:52, 17 August 2009 (UTC)

Okie dokie. :) --Legolas ^(talk2me) 04:59, 17 August 2009 (UTC)

PEREZ HILTON ANNOUNCES RE-ISSUE OF "THE FAME" ON MUCHONDEMAND

In a recent interview with Much Music, Perez Hilton announced that Lady GaGa will re-release "The Fame" with new material in the near future. Just thought that this should be mentioned in the article. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.127.193.43 (talk) 21:35, 15 August 2009 (UTC)

Since when has Perez Hilton ever been a reliable source for anything? I think this might be true, that the album is getting a re-release, but it can't be included in the article until we get reliable sources. POKERdance ^talk/contribs 03:42, 16 August 2009 (UTC)

PEREZ ANNOUNCED THE RE-ISSUE FOR GAGA

Perez Hilton announced that Lady GaGa will be re-releasing "The Fame" FOR her after he spent a week with her while she toured in Japan. It wasn't just a rumor. Perez and Lady GaGa are very close friends. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.127.193.43 (talk) 03:31, 17 August 2009 (UTC)

Great, but he's still not a reliable source. POKERdance ^talk/contribs 04:08, 17 August 2009 (UTC)

Agreed. That site should be blacklisted for all I care. --Legolas ^(talk2me) 04:16, 17 August 2009 (UTC)

Absolutely. He's good for nothing but gossip. Unless it's an incident such as his altercation with will.i.am, he should never be used as a source for anything here. POKERdance ^talk/contribs 04:19, 17 August 2009 (UTC)

Japanese Version + Songs editions

So, I see there's no mention at all of the Japanese version of the album in the article, even though it includes a song not featured anywhere else (Retro, Dance, Freak) and a DVD with all of the music videos, minus BDR, for obvious reasons. And it also has a variation on the cover, it has shiny dots all over it.

And, I'd also like to discuss the editions of the songs; for the record, I've personally checked the audio files from the Original release and the Revised one, in an audio editor program, and compared them by using the inversion method to filter differnces between them, every track was mastered the same way, except the ones described below:

LoveGame: In the Original Album version it lastes 3:33, while in the Revised Album version, and also posterior versions of the album, it lastes 3:38, and it's also reworked, it has more echo effects in the vocals and they added 1 extra chorus at the end, to make it longer, along with extra vocals at the ending. (This longer version is used in the video)

Paparazzi: It's almost the same thing in both Original and Revised versions of the album, except it has been mastered differently, the volume of the songs don't match when they're compared, apart from that, they're identical.

Eh, Eh (Nothing Else I Can Say): Same situation as the song above.

Money Honey: The Original version is 3:07 while in the Revised version it's shortened to 2:50, the main edit of this song is the intro, the very first seconds are the same in both songs, but in the longer one it continues to an instrumental extension, while in the shorter one it skips that part and goes to the verse 1 rapidly, and after I compared them by the inversion method, I noticed the very beginning of the verse 1 has been mixed differently, then it just remains untouched, no differences found after the intro.

Boys Boys Boys: Same situation of Paparazzi and Eh, Eh (Nothing Else I Can Say).

LoveGame (Space Cowboy Remix) [From UK album version]: I've also noticed that this mix, from the UK version is different to the mix that was released in the LoveGame Remixes single, the album version is shorter by 15-20 seconds, and when you edit the "main mix" to make it match the album version, you can notice that the blending of the cutted parts are way different, in other words, they're different edits, even though they share the same name. jrcaporal (talk) 05:55, 24 August 2009 (UTC)

The Fame American Release date

The Fame United States Interscope release date states that The Fame was released on October 28, 2008 for the United States not the date presented in this article, please fix!Backtrack132 (talk) 04:57, 28 August 2009 (UTC)

Genre Change v.2

Like it or not I'm gonna change The Fame's genre according to AllMusic.com. They describe music better than wikipedians. Pop music and electronic dance doesn't suit this album much because The Fame sounds more like an Urbanized Dance-Pop album (Urban/Dance-Pop). JaymanJohn (talk) 20:02, 2 September 2009 (UTC)

Proposal of new genre: rock

I figure this would probably be considered a controversial edit, so I'm going to discuss it here first and see what other editors think. There are elements of rock music present on much of the album, and several songs ("Brown Eyes," "Summerboy," "Disco Heaven") are of the rock genre. D.C. Blake (talk) 02:01, 9 September 2009 (UTC)

They are in no way rock. Usaeg of guitar and synth doesnot qualify the whole ambience and feel of a song to be rock IMO. --Legolas ^(talk2me) 04:07, 9 September 2009 (UTC)

"Brown Eyes" is definitely a rock song and has the feel of one as well. "Disco Heaven" has influences of dance-rock similar to "What You Waiting For?" by Gwen Stefani. "Summerboy" for sure has the feel of a pop rock song. And as I said, there are numerous rock influences throughout much of the album, even if some of the songs are not rock per se. Perhaps the new genre could be added as pop rock instead? D.C. Blake (talk) 15:36, 10 September 2009 (UTC)

With what source(s)? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Sparks Fly (talk • contribs) 22:23, 10 September 2009 (UTC)

Why would we need sources? Pop and electronic dance aren't sourced... D.C. Blake (talk) 20:17, 11 September 2009 (UTC)

Actually, never mind. Rock/dance-rock/glam rock/pop rock only make up a small portion of the album, when I think about it. Many genres are explored on the album (pop, electronica, dance, R&B, hip hop, rock, etc.) and it would probably be best to get to the point, with the main genres. D.C. Blake (talk) 02:57, 12 September 2009 (UTC)

Lady Gaga vs. Gaga

The page is referring Lady Gaga as "Gaga" the majority of the time, but she has not dropped the "Lady", her friends and family and fans call her "Gaga" but her stage name IS STILL "Lady Gaga". Referring her to as just "Gaga" can lead to confusion if she dropped the first part of her stage name, which she hasn't. When writing about her use Lady Gaga. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Thehausofgaga (talk • contribs) 17:20, 10 September 2009 (UTC)

Gaga is fine. The second half of her stage name is actually what she actually prefers to be called, I believe. D.C. Blake (talk) 20:22, 11 September 2009 (UTC)

Bad Romance

It has been confirmed that "Bad Romance" is the first single off the re-release of Lady Gaga's debut album named The Fame: Monster. She will début the song on October 3, 2009 on Saturday Night Live..CalvinNelson4 (talk) 02:35, 02 October 2009 (UTC)

Then what is bad romance? --Legolas ^(talk2me) 15:16, 2 October 2009 (UTC)

Hi Legolas. Great job on GaGa's articles. Keep it going! Well, i am an Indian too!*wink*

Coming back to the topic. 'New York' was a rumour long back which has been cleared by GaGa herself. Bad Romance is the official next single which will be performed on SNL. You can even check out the confirmation on her official site. I even downloaded the song. Its hot! Check it out.

Hi Logolas. Sorry. It was just a simple spelling error. I have changed it now. CalvinNelson4 (talk) 19:34, 2 October 2009 (UTC)

Ok got it. I'll listen to it. Thanks. --Legolas ^(talk2me) 11:21, 3 October 2009 (UTC)

Only a snippet of the song was performed on SNL. Also, the leaked audio was apparently a demo. Rolling Stone have reported on the song here and MTV here. • вяαdcяochat 09:11, 4 October 2009 (UTC)

The Fame Monster Tracklist

Standard Edition:

CD1 / The Fame

1. Just Dance 2. LoveGame 3. Paparazzi 4. Poker Face 5. Eh, Eh (Nothing Else I Can Say) 6. Beautiful, Dirty, Rich 7. The Fame 8. Money Honey 9. Starstruck (feat. Space Cowboy & Flo Rida) 10. Boys Boys Boys 11. Paper Gangsta 12. Brown Eyes 13. I Like It Rough 14. Summerboy

CD2/Monster

1. Monster (Fear of Death Monster) 2. Bad Romance (Fear of Love Monster) 3. Don't Call My Name (Fear of Men Monster) 4. Speechless (Fear of Loneliness Monster) 5. New York (Fear of Heights Monster) 6. Bloody Mary (Fear of Alcohol Monster) 7. Take It Slow (Fear of S*ex Monster) 8. Kiss & Run (Fear of Commitment Monster)

Limited Edition

CD1 / The Fame

1. Just Dance 2. LoveGame 3. Paparazzi 4. Poker Face 5. Eh, Eh (Nothing Else I Can Say) 6. Beautiful, Dirty, Rich 7. The Fame 8. Money Honey 9. Starstruck (feat. Space Cowboy & Flo Rida) 10. Boys Boys Boys 11. Paper Gangsta 12. Brown Eyes 13. I Like It Rough 14. Summerboy

CD2/Monster

1. Monster 2. Bad Romance 3. Don't Call My Name 4. Speechless 5. New York 6. Bloody Mary 7. Take It Slow 8. Kiss & Run 9. Again Again [Bonus Track] 10. Disco Heaven [Bonus Track] 11. Retro, Dance, Freak [Bonus Track] 12. Just Dance (Stripped Down Version) [Bonus Track] 13. Poker Face (Piano & Voice Version) [Bonus Track] 14. LoveGame (Acoustic Version) [Bonus Track] 15. Paparazzi (Classical Rock Version) [Bonus Track] —Preceding unsigned comment added by 120.60.1.217 (talk) 05:55, 13 October 2009 (UTC)

Thanks but pulsemusic is blacklisted anyways. --Legolas ^(talk2me) 06:01, 13 October 2009 (UTC)

The Fame Monster Final Tracklist

Universal Music Japan has confirmed "The Fame Monster" Tracklisting. Here it is...

Disc 1: The Monster Side
01. Bad Romance (Prod. by RedOne)
02. Alejandro (Prod. by RedOne)
03. Monster (Prod. by RedOne)
04. So Happy I Could Die (Prod. by RedOne)
05. Speechless (Prod. by Ron Fair)
06. Dance In The Dark (Prod. by Fernando Garibay)
07. Telephone (Prod. by Rodney Jerkins)
08. Teeth (Prod. by Teddy Riley)

Disc 2: The Fame Side
Same as Japan Edition of "The Fame"

Rejected Tracks: "Filthy Pop" "No Way" "Fever"

• note "Fever" went to Adam Lambert and will be released on his debut album. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Iandmwebshow (talk • contribs) 02:03, 3 November 2009 (UTC)

Source:http://www.universal-music.co.jp/u-pop/artist/lady_gaga/uics9113.html —Preceding unsigned comment added by 120.60.1.218 (talk) 15:58, 14 October 2009 (UTC)

its tea not teeth like the drink tea cant anyone translate japaneese properly —Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.240.63.54 (talk) 22:53, 14 October 2009 (UTC)

I am not Japanese! I am Indian. I used a Translator software to translate it and it showed teeth. Its not fool proof. Don't holla at me! People are very well welcome to make the corrections. I did my job!

Re-release infobox

Re-releases donot have infoboxes and neither should this one. But one user is hell bent on adding the infobox and hence I believe such continuous additions are making the article lose its credibility. Lets reach a consensus on this asap. --Legolas ^(talk2me) 04:43, 15 October 2009 (UTC)

There's nothing to discuss. Re-releases don't get infoboxes, plain and simple. ---Shadow (talk) 04:47, 15 October 2009 (UTC)

I knnow ShadowRanger that Re-releases don't get infobox but you must be knowing that a certain user is edit warring over this. The article can lose its GA because of this Im afraid. Hence its better to reach a consensus regarding this than turning this more ugly.--Legolas ^(talk2me) 04:55, 15 October 2009 (UTC)

Off-topic. But i suggest that the CD1 (Monster side) of the re-release should not be hidden. Those are completely new songs and it would be better if they are displayed by default. Just a suggestion.

As already stated, there is no need for an entire infobox dedicated to the re-release of the original album. A large majority of the re-release is the original album anyway. I however would not mind if a simple image displaying the cover of the re-release was appropriately included within the article. • вяαdcяochat 05:05, 15 October 2009 (UTC)

The Fame Monster standard edition IS basically a studio album, because it has NO previous material from The Fame. So I believe there should be AT LEAST an infobox for the standard edition! PinkFunhouse13 (talk) 20:10, 15 October 2009 (UTC)

Its a dual disc, not a separate album. Still is considered a re-release and hence no infobox is needed. And there's no need to write in Caps as that denotes shouting and being uncivil in talk pages.--Legolas ^(talk2me) 03:07, 16 October 2009 (UTC)

You say it has no new tracks, that is clearly not the case. If it had no new songs, it would not be a re-release and a source has shown all of the original Fame songs are there. It will not get an infobox. ---Shadow (talk) 03:35, 16 October 2009 (UTC)

Bad Romance Single Cover

http://www.rap-up.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2009/10/gaga-romance.jpg —Preceding unsigned comment added by 120.60.0.45 (talk) 04:03, 16 October 2009 (UTC)

Probably fan-art untill confirmed by official source. --Legolas ^(talk2me) 04:28, 16 October 2009 (UTC)

According to the article, Rap-Up, it is an American urban music magazine. Whether that is an official source or not, I think it is a bit to early for anything yet. More coverage would be required. • вяαdcяochat 07:23, 16 October 2009 (UTC)

The credibility of Rap-Up is really debatable. You are right Brad, more coverage is required. --Legolas ^(talk2me) 08:05, 16 October 2009 (UTC)

Gaga's website just confirmed that is indeed the single art. ---Shadow (talk) 08:25, 16 October 2009 (UTC)

Wow. thanks shadow. --Legolas ^(talk2me) 08:30, 16 October 2009 (UTC)

Alternate monster covers

Was it actually stated those were the regular and deluxe edition covers? I've looked on Facebook and Gaga's site and I don't see that..... ---Shadow (talk) 04:47, 18 October 2009 (UTC)

Even I can;t find confirmation. --Legolas ^(talk2me) 04:45, 20 October 2009 (UTC)

I have a feelign the one with the blond wig should go as its not difficult to visualize Gaga with a blond bod cut nowadays. The other one with black hair can stay as it is starkingly opposite from what she is portrayed. --Legolas ^(talk2me) 05:58, 20 October 2009 (UTC)

I believe the one with the blond wig looks as though it is in the dimensions of a slipcase, meaning that it may be a special edition. I am tending to think that the one with the black hair is the regular artwork. It portrays a different image to what is usually known to most, therefore it would be more noteworthy. • вяαdcяochat 04:52, 23 October 2009 (UTC)

So we can all agree that the third alternate cover (Gaga with black hair) is to be included while omitting the second? — ξ^xplicit 15:55, 26 October 2009 (UTC)

I support the idea. --Legolas ^(talk2me) 03:57, 27 October 2009 (UTC)

Charmed36 (talk) 17:55, 8 November 2009 (UTC)==The Fame Monster is NOT a re-release, it is GaGa's second album== YES!!!, it is...and it should have its own article.....On October 27, 2009, GaGa was interviewd By Q100 Atlanta radio station, and she said that The Fame Monster is her sophmore album, not a re-release...she also said that she will release 4 singles from it...also, Pop Justice confirmed that The Fame Monster is no a re-release, but GaGa's second studio album indeed: "We know a lot of you are thinking that this is just a cash-in reissue of 'The Fame' with a few tracks chucked on. It's not that at all - this is a collection of songs in its own right. When you buy this you will not be buying 'The Fame' again in order to get at a couple of extra songs - you'll be buying a new album which just so happens to have a copy of 'The Fame' in the same box. If it helps make sense of things, imagine purchasing 'The Fame Monster' 2-disc set then throwing the 'The Fame' CD away. In fact that is what you should actually do when you get this. Throw 'The Fame' out of the window. 'The Fame Monster' is a real album with its own personality....'Monster' and 'Bad Romance' have elements of 'Just Dance' and 'Poker Face' but these seem like knowing nods back in the direction of 'The Fame', while other songs - 'Dance In The Dark', 'Teeth' hint at what lies ahead for the next, third Lady Gaga album".

Sorry the ref doesnot say so rather it speculates it to be a separate album. Gagadaily is a fansite and unreliable source. Untill an official announcement or the way Billboard considers it to be a sophomore release, it will stay as a part of this album. --Legolas ^(talk2me) 08:09, 28 October 2009 (UTC)

The album is considered a re-release due to the fact that, if the album was not re-release it wouldn't have the original album as a second disc. It would just be a single disc album, which would feature all newly recorded 8 tracks. --Sticky&Sweet12 (talk) 08:49, 28 October 2009 (UTC)

I disagree with you legolas and sticky...i agree with this user that this is her second album, becuase thats what GaGa said in this interview: "So, Here we are on Z100, i will say that The Fame Monster is a sophmore effort and its a new album , it has 8 new songs..and i will be touring just as long for this album as much as i did for the fame and i belive it will have four singles...".. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 62.44.8.103 (talk) 12:55, 28 October 2009 (UTC)

Untill and unless an official confirmation from a third party comes, this will stay as it is. --Legolas ^(talk2me) 03:43, 30 October 2009 (UTC)

Hey Legolas. Looks like the Monster is in fact her sophomore album, or at least she considers it to be. Here's a link from a blog which features an interview with BET's 106 & Park where she confirms it (on part 2). I'm not sure what her label or press releases will be officially saying, but LG definitely considers it to be her second studio album. Any ideas on how you're going to proceed? (I know the link I provided isn't reliable, but the interview ITSELF is, so we could find another link soon). Corn.u.co.pia • Disc.us.sion 06:46, 4 November 2009 (UTC)

The Press release denotes it as a re-release as well as Billboard. Hence the third party and commercial charting sources like that is taken into consideration rather than a primary source like Gaga herself. So this will be take as a re-release only. --Legolas ^(talk2me) 06:57, 4 November 2009 (UTC)

I'm not that experienced on WP policy when it comes to this sort of stuff, but it seems silly to go by a label rather than the artist herself. At what point does it become what we know officially (through reliable sources), or what we know to be the real truth (Gaga calling it her second album)? I definitely know what you're saying, but shouldn't we go by what she says, rather than the distributers of the album? Corn.u.co.pia • Disc.us.sion 07:12, 4 November 2009 (UTC)

We are not going by the distributors or the label, rather the publication which will determine its commercial reception ie Billboard. They consider it as a re-release and hence we don't have any choice rather than accept it. --Legolas ^(talk2me) 08:21, 4 November 2009 (UTC)

THE FAME MOSTER IS THE SECOND ALBUM OF GAGA SHE CONFIRM THAT ON BET’S 106 & PARK

She also confirmed it on the German TV-Show "Wetten dass...?" on October 7 '09. --It's Flo (talk) 22:23, 7 November 2009 (UTC)

She said on Wetten Dass that there will be two versions of the album. One with only 8 tracks and another version including her previous effort, "The Fame", as long as the press, Billboard and her label consider it as a re-release it's still a re-release/repackage or whatever it is. I suggest we wait until major press talks about it or until the first week of retail, If it counts towards "The Fame" sales, it's a re-release (as it was before she announced this "standard version")... --Zefron12 (talk) 23:44, 7 November 2009 (UTC)

It is a new album. Billboard will count it as a separate album, her manager confirmed it to me. COMPLETELY new album. Kirill, gagadaily.com —Preceding unsigned comment added by 87.252.227.40 (talk) 13:41, 8 November 2009 (UTC)

I think it's too early for Gaga's sophomore album. But until this change, The Fame Monster sales would count towards The Fame sales, so it's a bit unfair to have The Fame coming as a second album on a deluxe version. Although I believe you, Kirill, We can't take that as a reliable source so far. --Zefron12 (talk) 17:37, 8 November 2009 (UTC)

Zefro12 says, "I think it's too early for Gaga's sophomore album." Gaga and her label releases a second album when they want to. If she said it's her second album then it is. Charmed36 (talk) 17:55, 8 November 2009 (UTC)

I am glad what you "think" is too early for a sophmore album is what really counts Zefron12. (NYKenny —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.203.70.8 (talk) 17:51, 8 November 2009 (UTC)

How is it too early for a second album? Cascada released their first album in feb 07 then their second album in dec 07, GaGa has confirmed The Fame Monster as her second album, put the page back to how it was (a seperate album). —Preceding unsigned comment added by 213.78.24.54 (talk) 20:52, 8 November 2009 (UTC)

I didn't say that to be taken in as relevant to not consider this a separate opinion. I just happened to have accidentally expressed my personal opinion. She can release a new album whenever she wants... I just think this is all a little messy... --Zefron12 (talk) 23:07, 8 November 2009 (UTC)

Background

Quote:

As well as writing the lyrics, Gaga worked on the melodies and synth work of the album with record producer RedOne. According to her, the song is a joyous, heart-themed song which appeal to people going through tough times in their life.

Which song are we talking about there? Dt¹²⁸ let's talk 19:15, 30 October 2009 (UTC)

The Fame Monster album cover

The current cover art that is posted for the Fame Monster (with make up running down gagas face) is actually the art for the "Limited Edition Digipack".

The art for the standard Fame Monster is the picture with Gaga wearing a shiny jacket that covers her mouth. Here's the link from her site that says so:

http://www.ladygaga.com/discography/

The first two albums show the art work for both editions of the fame monster. You should just identify one as "Standard" and the other as "Limited Edition" or something along those lines.

Blond hair cover = CD Black hair/eyeliner cover = Digipack

according to her website —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.107.238.158 (talk) 16:20, 1 November 2009 (UTC)

—Preceding unsigned comment added by 186.14.24.192 (talk) 21:15, 4 November 2009 (UTC)

The Fame Monster is Sophmore Album

Lady Gaga said it on American Top 40. How would I cite that and should if be its own separate article? 24.107.238.158 (talk) 18:11, 8 November 2009 (UTC)

It should be it's own separate article. She confirmed that The Fame Monster disc is being released on its own, with just the 8 new songs. The deluxe edition will include The Fame as a bonus. It needs its own article, its a new album. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.185.127.192 (talk) 00:44, 9 November 2009 (UTC)

First, not because it is/supposed to be a new album makes it a new article worthy, it can be easily merged to the biography, that depends of the amount of info we got.

Second, we still needs reliable sources covering this information. The only article covering this information by now comes from Examiner.com which is blacklisted. Sparks Fly 00:58, 9 November 2009 (UTC)

What about from an official Twitter source? Like Cherry Tree Records? Or even a video of her announcement on Wetten Dass? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 90.242.195.203 (talk) 10:55, 9 November 2009 (UTC)

The video can not be used since videos are not allowed in Wikipedia as sources. And I'm not sure about the Twitter, can you post the link? Sparks Fly 21:00, 9 November 2009 (UTC)

The Fame Monster has been made into a second article: The Fame Monster. It has been confirmed as a "sophomore" album. Please remove The Fame redirect link from The Fame Monster. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nzHL8Z85SGs <-- the video of ...Wetten Dass? - Sdoo493

Well, I tried, so wait and see what happens now. Sparks Fly 23:57, 9 November 2009 (UTC)

If you guys actually payed attention to more then one of her interviews, she says she refers to it as her second album because she doesn't like the concept of releases. Also, it is being released as a stand alone disc so that those who already bought The Fame don't have to buy the album again. It is a re-release, plain and simple. ---Shadow (talk) 04:33, 10 November 2009 (UTC)

Billboard already stated The Fame Monster is a re-issue of The Fame, not a separate studio albums and all singles and sales will be credited to The Fame. Chart 'Monster' Ask Billboard: Going Gaga For Album Re-Releases. I will redirect the useless second article. --Legolas ^(talk2me) 04:34, 10 November 2009 (UTC)

The Fame Monster is NOT a re-release. It was originally planned to be a re-release, but Lady Gaga stated in an interview on the German TV-show ‘Wetten Dass,’ that her record label is allowing it to be released as a totally separate album. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Burbscinates (talk • contribs) 05:52, 10 November 2009 (UTC)

Doesnot matter what Gaga thinks, its the commercial receiving publication that matters. Gaga might think that her album should sell 700 million copies but that doesnot make it so. The fate depends on what BB thinks. --Legolas ^(talk2me) 06:22, 10 November 2009 (UTC)

The billboard articles you posted are from Oct. 30 and Nov. 3 respectively. The twitter update from Cherry Tree records is from Nov. 7. Obviously this is a new revelation. Furthermore here is a new source about it being released as a separate CD: examiner.com/x-13907-DC-GLBT-Arts-Examiner~y2009m11d8-Lady-Gaga-fights-label-and-Fame-Monster-is-now-an-entire-new-CD-EP (Can't post as a proper link. Wiki has the examiner blacklisted for some reason). Also the standalone edition is being sold as "Standard Edition" on her website.[1] Now the examiner source calls it as an EP. So we still don't have a distinction for an outright album or EP. But I would refrain from re-directing an article in the future with out a proper consensus....especially when looking at a source published before a newer source was released. Greekboy (talk) 10:06, 10 November 2009 (UTC)

(Outdent)There is a good reason why Examiner is blacklisted. The site jsut writes about any crap it wishes. Again promotion of an album as being sophomore or an EP needs to be verified by official releases, not by tweets. Primary sources like the website are also not considered in these cases. Hence Billboard is the only reliable source for it. And it is still not confirmed whether this is a sophomore album or not. Hence creating a separate article going out of the way and against MOS for re-releases is also improper. Sorry but it will be re-directed and salted if created again. --Legolas ^(talk2me) 10:12, 10 November 2009 (UTC)

How can you say that Billboard is the only reliable source? If the singer HERSELF and her record label have confirmed it that's good enough for us to believe it's her second album. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 213.78.24.54 (talk) 14:26, 10 November 2009 (UTC)

--YourBadRomance (talk) 17:22, 10 November 2009 (UTC)Delete "The Fame Monster" out of "The Fame" albums page because on November 7th, 2009 GaGa said she was fighting with her record label about re-releasing the album was too exspensive and now she split it in half and will release it as an entire new album so her fans wont have to pay as much money. Therefore..."The Fame Monster" should have its own page because it it her second studio album and not included with the fame in any way.

The Fame Monster Is An Entire New Album! Not a Re-Release of The Fame... Please change your wrong information...

--YourBadRomance (talk) 17:22, 10 November 2009 (UTC)Delete "The Fame Monster" out of "The Fame" albums page because on November 7th 2009, on Wettes Dass, a german chat show, GaGa said she was fighting with her record label about re-releasing the album was too exspensive and now she split it in half and will release it as an entire new album so her fans wont have to pay as much money. Therefore..."The Fame Monster" should have its own page because it it her second studio album and not included with the fame in any way. —Preceding unsigned comment added by YourBadRomance (talk • contribs)

The Monster disc is being released as a separate disc so that those who already bought The Fame disc don't have to buy it again. It's still a re-release either way since the standard edition features two discs. ---Shadow (talk) 19:10, 10 November 2009 (UTC)

Actually, The Fame Monster Standard Edition is a disc alone. The Fame Monster Deluxe Edition is the one with The Fame in it. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Bookblade19 (talk • contribs) 20:20, 10 November 2009 (UTC)

The Fame Monster Deluxe Edition has been said to contain the original Fame album as bonus tracks.