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    Linking to a wiki for pop culture references

    Somewhere, I don't remember where, probably buried in a discussion page for pop culture policy proposals or on something Star Trek or South Park related, I saw a suggestion to move "in pop culture" lists to an off-site wiki — Wikia was encouraged, IIRC — and just link to that from the External Links section of an article. So I decided to experiment with that strategy, moving Roller derby in popular culture to Wikia so that it would no longer be part of the roller derby article. A link to the wiki was left in the external links section, and over the last year and a half, nobody seemed to mind. The roller derby article looked much better, having its media references restricted to research-worthy nonfiction documentaries & literature, and its external links section had a link to the Wikia page. In the meantime, I've smacked down occasional attempts to add pop culture references back in by people who didn't notice the external link, which to me indicates that people are interested in the topic. Maintenance hasn't been a big deal, and I'd say the experiment was a success.

    That is, until yesterday, when User:DreamGuy twice removed the link. He stated in an edit summary, Please read WP:EL -- wikis are generally not allowed in links, and the rules on pop culture says nothing about offloading info to another site. Sorry. That's not how things are done here.

    Well, of course now I can't find where the offloading suggestion came from, and I didn't make a note of it at the time, so I'm on the defensive on that point. And I've read and re-read WP:EL. It's true that links to open wikis without lots of editors are generally discouraged, but links to directories like DMOZ are generally encouraged.

    Now, I was a DMOZ editor for a while, curating the roller derby links. I find it puzzling that the roller derby article's external links section can contain a link to that section of DMOZ which I alone curated, but, according to one interpretation of WP:EL, cannot contain a link to a Wikia page containing the contents of the former pop culture section, and which I alone have curated (so far). My strategy with both was to make them as comprehensive as possible, to reduce the volume of trivia edits and encourage people to focus on the rest of the article.

    To me it seems like in the absence of editors willing/able to do tenacious pruning, the best course of action is simply steering the would-be adders of pop culture information to Wikia, just like steering the would-be adders of random related links to DMOZ is. As I said, it seemed to work out great; most people who care about roller derby references in pop culture wound up on Wikia, and didn't attempt to add that trivia to the article. Without the link, I feel the maintenance burden of the roller derby article is just going to increase for no good reason. I'm also not a fan of hit-and-run deletions like this; I'm doubtful he really intends to stick around and deal with the fallout.

    So I guess my question is, should I continue to challenge his removal of the link to Wikia? And if yes, does that have any ramifications for the WP:EL or whatever pop culture guidelines are now in effect, if any? —mjb (talk) 07:58, 26 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

    Two non-bot editors is probably not sufficient to claim that it meets the usual size-and-stability requirements for an open wiki.
    There's something to be said for WP:COMMONSENSE, though, and WP:ELNO is not WP:ELNEVER. WhatamIdoing (talk) 21:00, 26 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]
    I agree with WhatamIdoing: In general, we do not link to a wiki, but the case presented by mjb looks convincing that this is a reasonable exception (i.e. add the link to wikia). Johnuniq (talk) 23:40, 26 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]
    Popular culture articles are part of Wikipedia. There is no need to offload this content onto another site because DreamGuy is right, thats not how things are done here. They can be done correctly, without the need for listcruft. ELNO states "12. Links to open wikis, except those with a substantial history of stability and a substantial number of editors. Mirrors or forks of Wikipedia should not be linked." -- ErgoSum•talk•trib 22:08, 30 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]
    "It's right because it's how things are done; RTFM" is neither a rationale nor a rebuttal to any of the points raised above, so I'll rephrase:
    A list of pop culture references to an article's topic is contentious for inclusion, as is a list of general links to sites related to any article's topic, presumably for the same reasons. WP:EL says it's fine to offload the general links to, say, the ODP (which is arguably in the same league as a wiki or blog), and just link to them. But for some reason it's not OK to offload the "in popular culture" list to another wiki. The only reasoning given so far for deletion of the link has been "because WP:EL says so".
    DreamGuy says the list can just be included directly, but only if it's kept extremely short. But we tried that (at hit-and-run deletionist User:Kaldari's behest in 2006), and all it does is enforce an arbitrary standard of notability, and the end result is it just builds right back up again, and even the stuff we find 'notable' is still regarded by some as just a bunch of useless trivia.
    This isn't just speculation; we tried it and found that by linking to a comprehensive list, the maintenance burden is minimized, people who care about that stuff find what they're looking for, the article remains free of contentious cruft, there are no arguments over the notability of some of the items in the list, and everyone concentrates on the more important aspects of the article & its related topics in Wikipedia instead of e.g. attempting to reintroduce the same pop culture references or having to police and argue with people over those attempts. So why, besides "WP:EL says so", is this such a terrible idea? —mjb (talk) 00:21, 31 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]
    I've asked DreamGuy to please share with us which (the trivia section or the link) is, in his opinion, the least objectionable choice for the encyclopedia. WhatamIdoing (talk) 02:17, 31 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]
    Thanks. The other day, on Talk:Roller derby#Whip It and the old Pop Culture section, he said "A short section on the most notable aspects of roller derby in popular culture is a good idea for this article. Emphasis on short and notable, not just whatever trivia someone thinks up." My position is that a short list is too much trouble to police; for me, the choice is either a complete list or a link to one. I prefer the link. —mjb (talk) 03:11, 31 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]
    If DreamGuy prefers integrating it -- and by "prefers", I mean "is volunteering to maintain it indefinitely himself", not just to demand that some other volunteer do it -- then I'd be perfectly satisfied with that outcome, too. But perhaps he'd prefer one of the other two options, since his time and energy is likely as limited as yours and mine. WhatamIdoing (talk) 05:09, 31 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]
    His only response was "Not the outside wiki, that's for sure. It's just spam for s [sic] site we have no control over and which has no established reliability." …which, after you and I both invited him to participate here, suggests to me he has no interest in maintaining anything or even acknowledging this discussion. —mjb (talk) 03:31, 5 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]
    Yeah, I've pretty much given up arguing with anyone who feels discussion is useless, or that whatever !consensus we come up with at the time is fraudulent. Popular culture is a hot topic and people tend to take it personally. The problem is there is too much disagreement over pop culture, and those who don't like it seem to develop a particular hatred for it, as if it was ruining WP. I prefer the short list of "most notable" as opposed to the complete compendium of every mention of the word "chamomile" ever uttered. Who knows what is the current standard for inclusion? But that doesn't mean the list cannot be left to aid future improvement. --ErgoSum•talk•trib 21:08, 5 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

    (unindented) Short lists are nice, I agree, but after giving it some more thought, I feel that the lack of consensus & clear standards for which kinds of "in popular culture" / fiction / music references are 'notable' enough for inclusion means that we have to either have a tersely worded but fairly comprehensive list that readers can filter themselves, or nothing at all; we presently have no resources to standardize and enforce anything in between. I'm willing to try leaving the content out entirely, but I don't see how it's desirable to have the distraction of needing to undo attempts to re-add the material. So the questions are simply: 1. Do we include a comprehensive list, or nothing at all, and 2. If we include such a list, do we do it directly in the article (already proven to attract criticism), do we put it in a separate article (precedents do exist), or do we leave it on a separate wiki that we link to despite DreamGuy's objections?

    If I understand DreamGuy's position, it's that an external link to a wiki is intolerable, despite all the points made above, and I anticipate he's just going to trot out WP:3RR at the earliest opportunity if I try to restore the link to Wikia. His position seems to be based entirely on speculation over precedent rather than skepticism of the actual content that has been collected so far. I have little sympathy for this approach and the disregard it shows for both readers and editors, but what can I do? Can I point to this conversation and his refusal to acknowledge the flexibility of the policy as a reason to let the link to the external wiki stand in this instance, even though it disturbs the strongly policy & precedent-minded so greatly? Or is there support for putting the content in a separate article on Wikipedia? —mjb (talk) 00:20, 15 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

    Maxi Priest

    Hi, the webmaster of boterbloempje.pbworks.com has inquired as to whether her site can be reinstated on the Maxi Priest page. Relevant discussion can be found on my talkpage. I'd like to request those who comment to refrain from commenting on the webmaster's conflict of interest and look only at the external link's validity and relevance to the article. I'd like to know if this link, which is arguably superior to the official sites, can be allowed. Thanks. ɳOCTURNEɳOIR talk // contribs 03:40, 4 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

    In addition to being a self-published free site by a fan (or at least as I could tell, not someone known in the field of music biography, or a professional writer, researcher, or anything like), I have some basic concerns. With the inclusion of lyrics and songs, is WP:ELNEVER #1 being violated? Possibly. Next, there is a lack of sourcing, verifiability (and reliability) to the text of the site. Finally, I have concerns about the accessibility of the site. I mean, first being a design snob, I hate to see centered, italicized body text, and using headers and font stylings inappropriately (need I mention 323 W3C validation errors). But additionally, the use of images without alt tags for navigation purposes renders the page inaccessible to some users with disabilities, and some mobile user. Yes, I personally do not think the webpage looks at all professional, and seems like an annoying, amateur, web 1.0 creation. Perhaps this is biasing my judgment, but I'd prefer not to link to the site for the above 3 reasons (1 possibly copyright issues, 2 lack of verifiability, 3 poor web design). -Andrew c [talk] 00:41, 5 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]
    I think Andrew's concern about a WP:COPYLINK violation is critically important. If the text of the copyrighted lyrics (and the photos, and everything else) is not legally licensed, then the link cannot be used anywhere on Wikipedia.
    Andrew's second complaint is minor (WP:EL does not require external websites to comply with WP:V), and his third -- although I see what he's saying -- doesn't really worry me nearly as much as the WP:ELNEVER copyright problem. WhatamIdoing (talk) 01:11, 5 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]
    Yeah, I admitted 3 was my bias. However, 2 related to WP:ELMAYBE #4 "Sites which fail to meet criteria for reliable sources yet still contain information about the subject of the article from knowledgeable sources." My concern was mainly the "knowledgeable sources" part. Thanks for agreeing with 1!-Andrew c [talk] 01:54, 5 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

    Linking to an author's syndicated column

    (Copied from Wikipedia_talk:External_links#Linking_to_an_author.27s_syndicated_column per advise there.) When are external links to an person's syndicated column appropriate for the External links section of the person's Wikipedia biography? example

    While cleaning up the spamming of by Chilangringo (talk · contribs), Projectsyndicate (talk · contribs), and 195.250.138.178 (talk · contribs) I encountered a discussion here on the links added by Chilangringo. Spamming aside, there's the question of how useful and appropriate such links are for biographies. One editor brought up ELNO#11, but I don't think applies because the external link is to a work by the subject of the biography, rather than about the person. Another editor brought up ELYES #1 and #2, but these are not official sites and there is no other mention in the biography that the person has this syndicated column. --Ronz (talk) 00:35, 7 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

    The first thing I would say is that if the subject has a syndicated newspaper column, then it seems odd for that to go unmentioned within the body of the article. Leaving that aside, this situation doesn't seem to fall clearly into any of the specific rules in the EL guideline. However, the spirit of WP:ELOFFICIAL is to include non-redundant links to the subject's own content, when that content is related to the subject's notability. A syndicated column may not quite meet the definition of an official site, but it is clearly content created by the subject. So if the subject has no official website within the definition provided by the guideline, but does have a syndicated column, a link to the column seems appropriate. That said, in the specific example linked above (Robert Skidelsky, Baron Skidelsky), he does have an official website. That site already reproduces his articles, so the link to the column provides no unique content. I suspect this will be the case more commonly than not. --RL0919 (talk) 15:11, 7 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

    Linking to full text of book

    I was reading our articles on Sinclair Lewis and ran across Kingsblood Royal. Curiously it links to a full text version of the book. The info in the pdf claims it's in the public domain in Australia. A quick review of copyright law in Australia indicates they're right, but the book was published in 1947 with a copyright renewal in the United States. My understanding of WP:ELNEVER and WP:LINKVIO is that we shouldn't link to items that would be copyright violations in the country where the Wikipedia servers are located (US). Am I right or am I misreading things? --Rkitko (talk) 01:16, 8 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

    If the book is still under copyright in the United States, then the safe thing is probably not to link it due to possible "contributory infringement" issues. But since international copyrights are a complex issue, I've posted a message to Wikipedia talk:Copyright problems#Help about linking to book with unclear status, in the hope that someone with more expertise can provide additional feedback. --RL0919 (talk) 21:20, 11 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]
    I concur. It's contributory infringement in the US that we need to worry about. --Moonriddengirl (talk) 21:22, 11 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]
    Much appreciated! Rkitko (talk) 14:19, 14 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

    "Aesthetic Realism is a cult"

    Aesthetic Realism is a small group based in New York City. It sees itself as a philosophical assocation, while some outsiders and former members consider it a cult. In addition to an offial website, members of the group have created many personal webpages about it. A former member has also created a critical website, Aesthetic Realism is a cult. External links to these pages have been a cause of contention. I've proposed to involved editors that only the one official link be listed in the EL section. The webmaster of the critical site believes that his site belongs in the listing. His website includes hard-to-find press clippings and advertisements placed by the group over the years. He contends that the materials are used by permission or are fair use (and so are not copyright violations), and that the site does not count as a personal website because it does not concern personal matters. I'm posting this here to get views from uninvolved editors.   Will Beback  talk  02:58, 9 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

    Is there any way to link to the encyclopedic material without going through this particular site? If not, is there any way of linking directly to the site's valuable material in a way which bypasses the contentious material? ThemFromSpace 03:12, 9 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]
    I believe it would be legitimate to link directly to the press articles that are reprinted with permission. Those can be used as sources, so there's no need to place them in the EL section. I've asked the webmaster/editor to add his own comments here, so I won't say more until he posts.   Will Beback  talk  04:30, 9 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

    An editor has proposed a bot at WP:RFBA that will put external links in en.wikipedia articles to a semantic wiki on brain connectivity, ConnectomeWiki, related to the ideas and goals described in this (PDF) PLoS article.

    This raises some questions that need addressed first by a wider community.

    1. The basic appropriateness of the links for wikipedia. It appears, due to the specialized nature of the topic matter, that the substantive value of the links would have to be discussed with neurology or physician editors. Should the quality of the underlying links be discussed at WT:WikiProject Neuroscience, WT:WikiProject Anatomy, or WT:WikiProject Medicine/Neurology task force or some other place?
    2. One editor suggested the proposal appears not to "run afoul of WP:ELNO," while another user calls the links essentially SPAM to the from en.wiki to the outside wiki.
    3. The editor proposing the links is doing it for a project, and describes himself/herself as a student at the Institute for Neuroinformatics in Zurich. He/she is the sole person with a stated interest in the project, so far, and has made some links already (not with a bot) from wikipedia to the ConnectomeWiki in brain articles on Wikipedia. See the links and the user's edit history.
    4. Are there additional issues that need to be discussed?

    Does anyone have comments about this. I am posting this in two places (here and VPR), thus far, but it should be discussed only in one place, VPR. (Of course, if this is the wrong place, feel free to move as necessary.)

    This entire conversation will be referenced when WP:BAG decides whether or not to authorize the bot, but, if you have comments about technical issues on the bot that are best addressed at BRFA, please feel free to comment there, of course. Thanks. --IP69.226.103.13 (talk) 03:15, 10 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

    Discussion here.

    I'm raising this issue here on behalf of User:JakeInJoisey because no one at Talk:New Jersey gubernatorial election, 2009 has responded to his questions other than me, and frankly I could not point to the relevant policy.

    The user's concern regards external links and references linking to PolitickerNJ.com, a reliable, well-established online news source focusing on New Jersey politics. As I've mentioned, the editor has posted his concerns at Talk:New Jersey gubernatorial election, 2009#Malware Link?, but be advised that this website is linked to/referenced not just at New Jersey gubernatorial election, 2009 but at numerous other articles. Here's the user's message:

    The referenced website has been flagged by McAfee "Site Advisor" as a possible trojan distributor (IRC/Flood trojan). I'm unsure of Wikipedia policy/process as to the display of suspect links as sources both within an article and in its history and am soliciting comments from anyone versed in dealing with this type of issue.

    Any advice would be appreciated. Thanks. A Stop at Willoughby (talk) 04:38, 11 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

    If the site is provably distributing malware, then it can be added to Wikimedia's global blacklist. The instructions there explain how to request that a site be added. (Note, though, that a single editor claiming that a problem exists doesn't constitute proof.) However, if it is a normally reliable site that has recently experienced some sort of hacking that is being dealt with, then probably there is no need for us to do anything. --RL0919 (talk) 05:58, 11 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]
    While I appreciate the response, I'm not particularly inclined to "prove" this personally (whatever THAT might entail) or to have this website blacklisted. I've simply attempted to bring this possible security concern to the attention of someone, somewhere within the Wikipedia hierarchy for consideration. However, if this project is somewhat ambivalent towards these concerns (as a lack of "what to do" information appears to suggest), that's fine with me...albeit somewhat surprising given the widespread distribution of malware prevalent today on the internet. JakeInJoisey (talk) 18:09, 11 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]
    Wikipedia doesn't have much of a "hierarchy", so I wouldn't take a lack of immediate response as a sign that the issue isn't important. This noticeboard tends to get more reports about COI and relevance issues than about malware, so I've posted a message at Wikipedia talk:Spam blacklist#Site possibly hosting malware to see if someone there can give us feedback about this site. --RL0919 (talk) 21:08, 11 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]
    Thanks. I'll be an interested observer (and participant if needs be). JakeInJoisey (talk) 22:24, 11 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

    No original research noticeboard

    Editors here may be able to help with this request at WP:NORN. The question is involves a Wikipedia editor that has created an off-wiki list of his favorite dyslexia-related scientific papers. Does an external link to a collection of his favorite papers meet Wikipedia's standards? (Please comment there, not here.) WhatamIdoing (talk) 22:59, 11 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

    There's an ongoing discussion at Wikipedia:Editor assistance/Requests#Submarine cables that is really more suited to this board. Would the best method to move the discussion here be to copy(or cut)/paste the discussion to here, with a note left there that the discussion has been moved? Or to simply add a note at the bottom of that one that new posts should be over here? Or should it just be left there as that's where it started and just leave this note as a pointer to that discussion? --- Barek (talk • contribs) - 17:26, 12 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

    There are complaints of forum shopping, so keeping it there is doubtless the best choice. WhatamIdoing (talk) 06:04, 16 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

    ImHooked.com

    I'm on the fence about the additions added by User:Steelhead555 to pages like Lake Chabot Regional Park such as this. I just dont feel like the link adds any sort of additional information to the articles. Q T C 21:12, 12 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

    We are working on mapping every fishable body of water in the Western United States. These maps contain information and links to information that you do not have. Example: there is no information here about Lake Amador. Some of the maps, such as Lake Chabot, do not have much information but others such as Klamath River or Henrys Lakehave a wealth of information Wikipedia just doesn't have. In addition a lot if not most people are reading these Wikipedia pages researching recreational opportunities. I ask you if a full list of GPS Coordinates for nearshore pacific boaters to obtain at one place is appropriate information to provide? I will wait to see how this thread progresses before continuing. Steelhead555

    I was just about to revert all of these when I came across this discussion. Because the poster's only contributions have been to place this link I think the behaviour constitutes linkspamming. I'd prefer the edits to be reverted with a warning given to stop the spamming behaviour. The links themselves have little merit as they are just google maps images which can be accessed through the locations' geographic coordinates. For example, we can already find a map of the region of Lake Davis, California by clicking on the location's coordinates. ThemFromSpace 21:53, 12 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

    No Problem;) You won't se any thing else posted by me steelhead555 —Preceding unsigned comment added by Steelhead555 (talk • contribs) 00:08, 13 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

    thevisualmd.com

    links
    accounts

    Request another opinion on these. I was going to report these at WT:WPSPAM, but decided to first request additional opinions on the value of the links. Some of the links have already been removed by other editors, one of them citing WP:EL as the reason for removal - but no discussion on the links thus far from what I can see. They look to me to be fairly low-value links; basic information about the subjects wrapped in glossy graphics packaging. The two accounts that have been adding the links are SPA accounts - only adding the links as External Links, no content improvement of the articles. Can some others take a look, and provide feedback on if they feel these are appropriate links for WP? --- Barek (talk • contribs) - 17:49, 13 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

    I had a quick look at some of the video in the link added at Major depressive disorder and totally agree with Barek's above assessment. There might be gold in the sections I did not watch, but what I did see could have been summarized in one short paragraph of text. The graphics seems typical of the "we know you don't technical details, so here are some meaningless pictures to entertain you" genre. I do not think the links are suitable for Wikipedia. Johnuniq (talk) 02:55, 14 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]
    I agree with Johnuniq's assessment. I looked at the depression video, and it's accurate, but not desirable. It's a complete failure of WP:ELNO #1 (and it's linked in a featured article, so it adds nothing).
    The "spammer beahvior" is unfortunate, but not really the point of this particular noticeboard. I think that a report to SPAM for a possible blacklisting might be appropriate. Alternatively, an XLinkBot listing might be sufficient, since the spamming is coming (partly) from IP accounts. WhatamIdoing (talk) 06:13, 16 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

    Memorial sites for murder victims

    What is the suggested course of action when it comes to external links in biographies of persons killed in a violent crimes? The reason I am asking is that quite a few of them have external links to "memorial sites" created by third parties with no connection to the families of the murdered. There have been a few occasions when such sites were used to collect funds in the name of the dead, where people were using the sympathies associated with child victims as a ruse to raise funds for themselves. Jessica Lunsford's father has mentioned this as a problem in interviews and has had to warn the public about sites of that type before, which is why I removed a new site from the external links section in her article recently. The new site was not functional at the time of my deletion, but it now appears as if the site is up and running and the owner of the site has reintroduced it again and also posted a message on my discussion page. I don't even feel like checking if the new site is appropriate. Could someone assist, please?

    I would prefer to simply apply the same rule of thumb across the line as the one used for biographies of rock stars and movie stars--only official/authorized sites. The unofficial, commercialized "memorial sites" by private, unrelated parties that present dead children leave a really bad taste in my mouth and often leave me sceptical about the motivation. Some of the worse "memorial sites" even use gruesome autopsy pictures and publish homemade speculative articles about possible murderers in unresolved cases, etc., but a more general problem is that most of them use photos of the victim without proper attribution, which may imply that the sites' owners may not own the copyright to the pictures. There are a lot of sites of that nature about well-published cases such as Lunsford's and JonBenét Ramsey's but it appears the editors of those articles have managed to keep the External links sections pretty clean so far. But there are others. Input appreciated. Afv2006 (talk) 04:49, 16 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

    Yes, your instincts are good on this point. A non-official site must be actively justifiable (note difference between justifiable and justified), and IMO a donation-themed site would require a lot of justification.
    I've removed this link for now (it says that it's non-official, but not money-making). In the future, you can usually cite WP:ELNO #4 ("Links mainly intended to promote a website") in these instances. WhatamIdoing (talk) 06:21, 16 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]
    Thanks! Will do. Afv2006 (talk) 09:43, 16 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]
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