Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Jesusland map (2nd nomination)
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A non-notable blog meme from shortly after the 2004 Presidential election. Doesn't seem to have any lasting significance, and I can find no evidence that it was ever covered in any reliable sources. The references section is terrible — mostly consisting of blogs, forums, and other such sites. There is a citation to a MSNBC exit poll, and another to a NY Times article, but neither of these sources even contain the term "Jesusland", nor do they mention the map. In fact, a large portion of this article (the "Analysis" section) constitutes original research. *** Crotalus *** 18:49, 10 December 2009 (UTC)
Delete The only reliable source in the references section that really discussed the topic is this Toronto Star blog entry, but it makes no mention of a map or "Jesusland". This blog meme doesn't seem to have any coverage in reliable sources that would be necessary to meet our verifiability policy.--Chaser (talk) 19:57, 10 December 2009 (UTC) Changing to keep. Plenty of sources in the first AFD. This article could not be written any worse to establish the map's notability.--Chaser (talk) 22:32, 10 December 2009 (UTC)- Strong Keep Received very wide circulation in late 2004, and has had a certain lasting influence in discussions of the alleged blue/red divide. Just from searching nytimes.com right now, I turned up http://freakonomics.blogs.nytimes.com/2009/11/09/maps-fighting-disease-and-skewing-borders/ , http://www.nytimes.com/2006/11/19/magazine/19wwln_lede.html?_r=1 , http://www.nytimes.com/2004/12/12/magazine/12NEO.html , etc. etc. -- AnonMoos (talk) 20:23, 10 December 2009 (UTC)
- P.S. Did the proposer even look at the first AFD discussions? AnonMoos (talk) 20:25, 10 December 2009 (UTC)
- It's possible. I inadvertently missed it.--Chaser (talk) 22:32, 10 December 2009 (UTC)
- P.S. Did the proposer even look at the first AFD discussions? AnonMoos (talk) 20:25, 10 December 2009 (UTC)
- Keep Certainly worth discussing somewhere. It is covered in a number of sources, like this book of maps released in 2009, this recent book of cultural criticism, this book, and this one, among others. (Just search for "map of Jesusland" at Google Books.) I don't know for sure if there's enough meat for an individual page, but we should say something about the Jesusland map somewhere. Zagalejo^^^ 20:50, 10 December 2009 (UTC)
- Keep, sources meet WP:GNG. Andrea105 (talk) 00:00, 11 December 2009 (UTC)
- Merge into Red states and blue states as a subsection. While this is certainly notable enough to merit mention in that context, it really, truly isn't notable enough to genuinely need its own article. Bearcat (talk) 01:33, 11 December 2009 (UTC)
- Merge as suggested by the above. I agree that, while it has notability, it doesn't quite have enough for its own article. Umbralcorax (talk) 04:25, 11 December 2009 (UTC)
- Keep in light of sources provided above. The subject is too trivial to deserve a whole section at Red states and blue states, but reasonable for a short independent article. EALacey (talk) 07:10, 11 December 2009 (UTC)
- Keep It is notable and verifiable from available sources. --Richard Arthur Norton (1958- ) (talk) 09:57, 11 December 2009 (UTC)