Talk:Lady Gaga discography

Updates to Chart Performance Records

According to [1], Poker Face, LoveGame, Just Dance, and Paparazzi ALL reach NUMBER ONE on the charts. Paparazzi, for example, has a PREVIOUS peak of #3, but the page I don't believe has been updated since these songs have all reached the top. Thanks! :) Musykboy (talk) 20:04, 8 November 2009 (UTC)

that article refers to the Billboard Pop Songs Chart, not the Billboard Hot 100. Mister sparky (talk) 17:26, 3 December 2009 (UTC)

Canadian Hot 100 Dec 12/09 issue of Billboard. Starstruck debuted at #74 and Speechless debuted at #67. http://www.billboard.biz/bbbiz/charts/chart_display.jsp?g=Singles&f=Canadian+Hot+100 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.158.26.57 (talk) 14:23, 3 December 2009 (UTC)

thanks for that! :) updated. Mister sparky (talk) 17:36, 3 December 2009 (UTC)

The Fame Monster will be on 3 in Germany. --89.27.204.148 (talk) 17:23, 3 December 2009 (UTC)

Don't Give Up

This song has been confirmed by both Gaga and the Midway State. It is sourced by [2], which is the Midway State's official web site, and [3], which is linked to by their official web site. I don't understand why this information was removed. Tikkuy (talk) 15:13, 18 July 2009 (UTC)

Sources fail WP:RS.--Legolas ^(talk2me) 15:02, 19 July 2009 (UTC)

An official web site isn't a reliable source now? Tikkuy (talk) 15:12, 19 July 2009 (UTC)

The first one fails for being a primary source, the second one can be used. --Legolas ^(talk2me) 04:00, 20 July 2009 (UTC)

That would lead me to ask why you deleted it to begin with... —Preceding unsigned comment added by Tikkuy (talk • contribs) 08:18, 17 August 2009 (UTC)

Please get your facts straight. I didnot delete it but User:Pokerdance and he has a good enough reason to do so. --Legolas ^(talk2me) 08:24, 17 August 2009 (UTC)

Not really. There isn't really a 'good enough' reason for the deleting of properly sourced and verifiable material. Tikkuy (talk) 08:27, 17 August 2009 (UTC)

(Outdent)Yes there is. Unofficial releases of any kind are not included, this is a discography not a songography. --Legolas ^(talk2me) 08:32, 17 August 2009 (UTC)

That's not what you were arguing. And at any rate, it is an official release. Oh, and a discography and a songography are the same thing. Tikkuy (talk) 08:51, 17 August 2009 (UTC)

That is exactly what me and Pokerdance have argued. And a discogrpahy is not a songography. Check MOS:DISCOG. --Legolas ^(talk2me) 08:58, 17 August 2009 (UTC)

Not really. You never said you deleted it because it was an official release. You deleted it because it had 'unreliable sources'. But whatever. :) Tikkuy (talk) 10:45, 17 August 2009 (UTC)

Make Her Say

She was featured on the track and helped out with the video for "Make Her Say" with Kanye West and Kid Cudi.

http://www.mtv.com/news/articles/1616551/20090720/kid_cudi.jhtml —Preceding unsigned comment added by CybertonicRockmanSonic (talk • contribs) 23:12, 20 July 2009 (UTC)

She actually isn't credited for the song. A sample from her acoustic version of Poker Face is used. That source also clearly states that she was unable to make an appearence in the music video. • вяαdcяochat 22:57, 23 July 2009 (UTC)

I'm pretty sure she would actually have writing credits on the song for the use of the sample. Tikkuy (talk) 08:18, 17 August 2009 (UTC)

Other appearance

Someone recently decided not to simply move or change the 'Other appearances' section, but completely delete it. This is a section that many people have worked hard on to get reliable info and it deserves to be on the page as there is nowhere else on Wikipedia where this information would go. For example, the songs Don't Give Up and Future Love are now not referenced anywhere in the page, and Big Girl Now and Christmas Tree are only mentioned in the charts area. Please look at the page Sean Garrett discography and other discography pages to see that these kind of pages are not only for songs that the artist has sung. They also include songs that they have written and produced. Discuss? Tikkuy (talk) 08:35, 17 August 2009 (UTC)

Agree that the whole section doesnot need to go, but many of them are not botable enough to be listed. --Legolas ^(talk2me) 08:46, 17 August 2009 (UTC)

I have provided valid reason for my removal of that section, and if you would care for further detail:

• "Big Girl Now" is covered in Other charted songs.
• "Christmas Tree" is covered in Promotional singles.
• "Quicksand" is written by Gaga but not her song.
• "Future Love" has only been performed on her tour.
• "Fashion" was never released as a single by Gaga.
• "Chillin" is covered in Guest singles.
• "Hypnotico (Silly Heartbreakers)" is written by Gaga but not her song.
• "Killa Love Song" - same as above.
• "Eyes On Me" - same as above.
• "Don't Give Up" is a leaked song and was never officially released.

As I said, this is a discography, not a songography. This isn't a list of every song that Gaga has ever written. This is a list of her major recordings. Most of those are not major. Also, Sean Garrett discography should not be used as an example for any discography page in its current state; it fails to adhere to hardly any of the style guidelines at MOS:DISCOG. Perhaps a separate page can be created: "List of songs written by Lady Gaga" where her writing credits can be listed, but it doesn't need to be in a page that discusses only her major recordings. POKERdance ^talk/contribs 12:49, 17 August 2009 (UTC)

OK, I've removed most of that section, but it's still there. Is everybody satisfied now? POKERdance ^talk/contribs 18:26, 17 August 2009 (UTC)

I'd be quite happy to create another page for songs written by her, but I'm pretty sure it would be deleted almost instantly. It seems a bit silly to create a whole page for just a couple of songs. That's why I suggest we put them in this article. Perhaps they should go under a new section, entitled 'Songs written by Lady Gaga' or something. As for Big Girl Now, Christmas Tree and Chillin, I'm quite happy with that, but I wonder if we should have a bit more information on Christmas Tree? It was a promotional single, after all. Tikkuy (talk) 07:50, 18 August 2009 (UTC)

I think ALL the songs she's done should be included in another section or something or in the same one. I think she deserves the credit for writing those songs and it is kind of important to the discography. —Preceding unsigned comment added by CybertonicRockmanSonic (talk • contribs) 01:13, 19 August 2009 (UTC)

I added another section which labels all of the songs she's written for other artists. Hope that's okay with everyone. Tikkuy (talk) 05:31, 22 August 2009 (UTC)

Removed. Not a part of her discography. POKERdance ^talk/contribs 15:55, 23 August 2009 (UTC)

Please read WP:COMPOSER. Per this article, all composers may have their own article and/or discography article which lists their work. Lady Gaga is a writer and hence her written songs should also appear on her discography page. Unless you would care to make another page for these songs, they stay. 'Don't Give Up' and 'Future Love' will also remain as MOS:DISCOG states that an unreleased song may remain if it is notable. Both of these songs have been sung by major recording artists which already makes them notable - one was officially confirmed to be her on her tour, and one had a music video shot for it and was also confirmed. Also, 'Big Girl Now' must remain as the 'Other appearances' section is meant to be an overviewlook of every song the artist has collaborated on. It's basically a list where people could go to see other songs she's sung on. Do you really expect people to read every section of the article just to find one more song that she's sung on? Tikkuy (talk) 11:47, 24 August 2009 (UTC)

Tikkuy, just because things exist does not mean that they should be included. Most of the things you added are not notable, and a discography is not the equivalent to a list of everything one has composed or performed. I really advise that you stop reverting back immediately. No one here agrees with your additions, and until other people can provide valid arguments that your edits should stay, the consensus is to stop adding "Don't Give Up" and Gaga's writing credits here. If you continue to go against consensus, you may end up being blocked for edit warring. POKERdance ^talk/contribs 20:56, 24 August 2009 (UTC)

As I said before, this is a discography, not a songography published by a fansite that it should list every damn thing she does. You are continuously going against consensus to do things. Next we know, you will be adding "Ba Ba Black Sheep" she sang in her childhood. --Legolas ^(talk2me) 04:00, 25 August 2009 (UTC)

Actually I'm not going against consensus at all. CybertonicRockmanSonic clearly agrees with me. Also, I would remind you that it is Wikipedia policy to remain civil. Tikkuy (talk) 08:09, 1 September 2009 (UTC)

Per WP:COMPOSER, composers should have their work listed in a separate discography article. Before Lady GaGa broke out as a performer, she had a considerable career as a writer. Nearly all of the articles referenced in the main Lady GaGa article not only find her earlier work as a writer notable, but devote most of their articles to it. Songs which Lady GaGa has written for other artists are obviously notable. I would point out that Legolas, besides violating WP:CIVILITY, is mistaken about his being in consensus. Myself being no particular fan or detractor of Lady GaGa, it is clear from reading anything about Lady GaGa in unbiased news sources that her work as a writer is not only notable but necessary for a balanced and nonbiased portrayal of her work. The section covering her work as a writer for other artists should be restored MarcelB612 (talk) 18:22, 9 December 2009 (UTC)

mess

This page is mess thanks to the owner of it!

Euro chart and US Pop Should be added to Singles Discography! —Preceding unsigned comment added by Zefron12 (talk • contribs) 17:28, 19 August 2009 (UTC)

There is no owner of any article, per WP:OWN. Please see above, there has already been extended discussion pertaining to which charts/countries are to be added here per WP:DISCOGS. - eo (talk) 17:31, 19 August 2009 (UTC)

i was under the impression that the us pop chart has been discontinued? so whats the point having a chart that doesnt exist anymore... Mister sparky (talk) 13:44, 20 August 2009 (UTC)

HITMIXES

The EP "Hitmixes" should be included in the discography page.

It has a physical release in US and Canada, and it has peaked at #8 in the Canadian Albums Chart: http://www.billbaord.com/bbcom/esearch/chart_display.jsp?cfi=309&cfgn=Albums&cfn=Top+Canadian+Albums&ci=3112305&cdi=10339200&cid=09%2F19%2F2009 —Preceding unsigned comment added by Nympho wiki (talk • contribs) 16:53, 10 September 2009 (UTC)

How are you even accessing this link? The old site of billboard expired long back! And also, there isn't any third party notability of the EP that I could find. If you can please provide so. Maybe we can have an article also. --Legolas ^(talk2me) 03:20, 11 September 2009 (UTC)

I can view the source, however there is no indication of any peak on the Canadian Albums Chart. Underneath the headings where the chart positions are ment to be, a small strike is all that is visable. Also, nothing titled "Hitmixes" is found on the page. • вяαdcяochat 08:44, 11 September 2009 (UTC)

yes that link does come up with nothing. but doing a search for "lady gaga hitmixes" does come up with an ep in the canadian albums chart at number 8 http://www.billbaord.com/bbcom/esearch/chart_display.jsp?cfi=309&cfgn=Albums&cfn=Top+Canadian+Albums&ci=3112141&cdi=10334162&cid=09%2F12%2F2009 but doing a search on google for other sources just comes up with an amazon import and torrent sites. Mister sparky (talk) 09:48, 11 September 2009 (UTC)

Hence badly fails any notability at all. Thanks for clarigying Brad and Sparky.--Legolas ^(talk2me) 09:53, 11 September 2009 (UTC)

In some webs it is referred to as "Hit Mixes", written separately. And, Legolas, you still can access the old Billboard site in this link: http://www.billbaord.com/bbcom/index.jsp (Nympho wiki (talk) 10:30, 11 September 2009 (UTC))

Every link in this discussion is to billbaord.com. Perhaps this is resulting in some confusion?—Kww(talk) 13:51, 11 September 2009 (UTC)

That's right, the old site of Billboard can be accessed through the page NymphoWiki says: BillbAOrd.com And here is the page of amazon Canada where Hitmixes is sold http://www.amazon.ca/Hitmixes-Ep-Lady-Gaga/dp/B002HWON6Q/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=music&qid=1252696233&sr=8-1 Rub rb (talk) 19:12, 11 September 2009 (UTC)

Thanks but first of all, I don't think thats even a legitimate site for Billbaord. The original billboard even transferred the magazine site to the new .# site. SEcondly, anything I see about this hitmixes, it fails notability to me as other than this unconformed billbaord site, I only see online selling retail sites. Hence I'm still not convinced that this should go in. --Legolas ^(talk2me) 11:49, 13 September 2009 (UTC)

But as this is not your personal blog or something, I don't think anyone cares about your doubts regarding this EP. You can check the official Canada charts, and you will see that "Hitmixes" EP by Lady Gaga has charted at #8. Period. You have sources and you can check info about this EP all over the net, so whether you are convinced or not, this EP is part of her discography Nympho wiki (talk) 21:17, 14 September 2009 (UTC)

Ya so? It has charted. Big deal. But where is the third party notability regarding this EP? Any source that I find about this EP are online retail stores and Amazon. Again, no reliability. And don't tell me about billbaord.com. That has been deemed unreliable at WP:CHARTS talk. --Legolas ^(talk2me) 03:29, 15 September 2009 (UTC)

http://www.hmv.ca/hmvcaweb/en_CA/displayProductDetails.do?sku=1275682

http://jam.canoe.ca/Music/Charts/ALBUMS.html - #17 this week, 9 last week.

The EP is a HMV Canada exclusive. NinjaChucks (talk) 16:56, 15 September 2009 (UTC)

Proposal: Eurochart should be included!

I propose a new discussion on the charts that are used on the Gaga discography. I think it should show up the European Hot 100 and The European Albums since it shows how it (album or single) has done in Europe, the Eurochart represents many countries from Europe continent and is more important than charts included in the discography, like New Zealand and Norway! —Preceding unsigned comment added by Zefron12 (talk • contribs) 00:00, 10 October 2009 (UTC)

I disagree. First of all, there is no concrete summary of Gaga's performance on the Eurocharts. By that I mean a singular reference, pointing to the discography. Hence adding references could be troublesome. Also, since Eurocharts are generally a compilation of the European charts, being a compilation chart and not a singular country, I would disagree its addition. --Legolas ^(talk2me) 03:16, 12 October 2009 (UTC)

As for the link, http://www.billboard.com/#/artist/lady-gaga/chart-history/1003999?f=349&g=Singles should do. I'll let you guys argue over the rest.—Kww(talk) 03:20, 12 October 2009 (UTC)

It's not a singular chart, whatever, it compiles what's popular in Europe, It chart by Billboard shows the performance of a song over 16 countries in the European territory, gives good dimension of how the song has gone in terms of this whole continent. And just as meniored above by KWW there's a way of seeing her Euro Hot 100 history, including ALBUMS. --Zefron12 (talk) 01:36, 14 October 2009 (UTC)

Im still against it. --Legolas ^(talk2me) 05:36, 15 October 2009 (UTC)

Anybody else's opinion? It isn't a discussion while it's being done with two people only!! --Zefron12 (talk) 18:30, 22 October 2009 (UTC)

Red And Blue

Red and Blue is now being sold on Amazon here. Only problem is, I'm pretty sure it's unofficial, as it includes Second Time Around on it which is a relatively new song. Regardless, it's been past Amazon's filters, so can we add it? Tikkuy (talk) 04:28, 17 October 2009 (UTC)

I think Amazon will grossly fail in regards to third party notability. Also I believe this EP, as you say is unofficial, hence adding it will lead to WP:FANCRUFT. --Legolas ^(talk2me) 04:35, 17 October 2009 (UTC)

I'm unsure of whether or not this makes a difference to your discussion, but Red and Blue was actually legitimately sold as an EP in The Bitter End, which considering its reputability and notoriety, not to mention legitimate distribution, may warrant inclusion of Red and Blue in the discography, although it was not chart-able. (And she did get paid royalties for the purchases.) I don't know for sure, but I'm just trying to help.,,, Musykboy (talk) 21:53, 21 November 2009 (UTC)

the fact that it includes "Second Time Around" alone proves its an unofficial mix of demo's and definitely doesn't belong here. Mister sparky (talk) 20:59, 29 November 2009 (UTC)

Beautiful Dirty Rich

How can this be listed merely as a "promo single" if it actually charted in the UK? 89.168.8.179 (talk) 23:50, 27 October 2009 (UTC)

Songs can chart as long as teh criteria for that particular chart provider allows it to. But that doesnot mean that a song is an official single. --Legolas ^(talk2me) 05:33, 28 October 2009 (UTC)

SALES

US: 1,530,000 WORLDWIDE: 4,176,000 http://gagadaily.com/2009/10/one-year-anniversary-of-the-fame/ —Preceding unsigned comment added by 96.63.248.252 (talk) 20:08, 28 October 2009 (UTC)

Fansites cannot be taken as reliable sources, though I believe that they offer generally correct information when it comes to sales, Wiki rules do not let us put fansites as sources. --Zefron12 (talk) 22:01, 28 October 2009 (UTC)

That's a half truth. Wiki has a guideline that says articles should rely primarily on reliable source. The use of fansites is not prohibited for unimportant and none contested information. Indeed many articles have unsourced information. SunCreator (talk) 12:35, 25 November 2009 (UTC)

sales figures are important and contested information... there are no circumstances when a fansite or a blog can be accepted as a source for sales figures. Mister sparky (talk) 17:36, 25 November 2009 (UTC)

The Fame Monster peak positions

We can't use "Notes: 1 In certain territories, The Fame Monster charted in conjunction with The Fame under the same title.". A example: we cannot say "The Fame Monster" debuted at number seven in the UK, because the chart attached Monster sales to the first "The Fame" album. I mean, the seventh position does not include only Monster sales but Fame sales too, so we can't add those positions to Monster table - they are Fame positions, not Monster. The charted version is also the Deluxe Version - which is labelled as a re-release of The Fame -, not the solo Fame Monster. Sorry if I couldn't explain what I think very weel, I tried my best. If you have any questions about my what I've said, feel free to ask them. Decodet (talk) 00:25, 30 November 2009 (UTC)

what you've said makes perfect sense. its a really annoying situation because some countries are charting it as The Fame and some as Monster. they should all do the same thing, would make our job alot easier! :) Mister sparky (talk) 00:54, 30 November 2009 (UTC)

The main problem is that The Fame Monster is being released in the majority of the contries as a Deluxe Version of The Fame, so it's obvious that it would chart as The Fame. I'm not sure but I think it was released as a solo disc only in the USA, Canada and Japan, so Monster will chart only in these select number of countries. Is that edition really being considered as GaGa's sophomore album? It was labelled as an EP by Billboard, Rolling Stone and MTV. Apparently only GaGa's label and herself consider it as her second album. Decodet (talk) 01:02, 30 November 2009 (UTC)

Why not just write it as The Fame (and The Fame Monster) or something and then list the highest peaks that either of them obtained. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Xilforce (talk • contribs) 21:57, 1 December 2009 (UTC)

Yeh i agree. Because it will look like the Monster didnt chart very well because most people will buy the deluxe fame version. We could also show the monster as an ep 4 some countries like the U.S. Either way something has to change because the album peaks and certifications will not be accurate. --Love.Game (talk) 06:10, 10 December 2009 (UTC)

Missing songs

I know of some Gaga songs that aren't included in this article, such as Shake Ur Kitty, Rock Show and Dirty Ice Cream. What is the origin of these songs? --uKER (talk) 17:41, 30 November 2009 (UTC)

if they're leaked demo's or unreleased non-album tracks then they dont belong here. this is a discography not a songography. Mister sparky (talk) 17:43, 30 November 2009 (UTC)

4 Number ones.

I think you should add the chart data where she has all her previous 5 singles reach #1 because its seemingly one of her historic moments.--96.228.139.26 (talk) 05:46, 12 December 2009 (UTC)