Talk:Sikorsky HH-60 Pave Hawk

The following is a closed discussion of the proposal. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the proposal was the article was not moved.

• HH-60 Pave Hawk → HH-60G Pave Hawk —(Discuss)— —Born2flie 22:28, 31 December 2006 (UTC)

OBJECT, I think the naming convention is manufacturer-model-name for these things... 132.205.45.148 18:32, 13 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Sikorsky HH-60G Pave Hawk would be acceptable 132.205.45.148 18:32, 13 Jun 2005 (UTC)

I'm just trying to move all that helicopters which are on the List of helicopter models keeping that manufacturer-model-name-rule, but we should use the us-army designations instead of the internal codes (eg. S-70A), shouldn't we? --UPH 20:09, 14 Jun 2005 (UTC)

The manufacturer's model-code (ie S-70A) should probably be used in the name of the article on this family, since the US military H-60 has so many various names... (ofcourse Sikorsky H-60 could also work). Any chopper family so suffused with names should probably also be done that way. Those that aren't should be set up with redirects from the manufacturer's model to to the US Army one. This only applies if the US military is either the prime mover (initial contract to create), or prime user (say 75% of production). If it's a non-US military chopper, and the US military also uses it, then the US army designation should probably not be used, only redirected from, under the same criterion (75%) for naming, if none is a prime user, the manufacturer's code is probably the best bet. 132.205.44.134 00:50, 16 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Please look again on the List of helicopter models. Why shouldn't we use the us-army designations as more popular instead of the manufacturer's model-codes, but set those into brackets as I did on that list (i.g. see Sikorsky models). Nobody knows that manufacturer's codes, even it's true that a chopper like the US military H-60 has so many various names: we can resume them maybe under the main article of that family refering to the Black Hawk. We would face enormous efforts to redesign all that articles, which would be necessary to keep your proposal.--UPH 07:57, 16 Jun 2005 (UTC)

For the H-60's, it's just an issue with so many names. For some other choppers, like the Sea King, I'm not sure that the US military designation is the most widely understood one across the world... and for some, the US military designation is *not* the most widely understood one across the world. In the instance of the H-60/S-70 family, I just have concerns over the multiplicity of names. 132.205.45.148 17:23, 18 Jun 2005 (UTC)

I think, we shouldn't fear a certain imperfection. When it comes to the H-60, we should use the most widely understood designations (may be in this specific case for the Sikorsky UH-60 Black Hawk, the Sikorsky SH-60 Sea Hawk and the Sikorsky HH-60 Pave Hawk; for ambiguities, we have the redirects like UH-60 Black Hawk, UH-60 Blackhawk or UH-60, which are still in use and giving a wider approach to the articles). We should refer to related models only in that available articles. It seems to be a little bit neurotic, when we shoult try to hold out an article for every specific model-code given by the producer, knowing that they can and will change in every next moment. --UPH 08:05, 19 Jun 2005 (UTC)

True, every model/submodel/"block"/etc would be excessive. But there are some major variants, like a civilian vs military model, or a gunship vs standard model. The S-70 article makes out to list all the variants. As we have UH-60, SH-60 and HH-60 articles, a unifying parent article would be good (perhaps as S-70, or H-60) 132.205.45.148 18:02, 20 Jun 2005 (UTC)

OK, do it, but do it by yourself and don't forget the redirections from each UH-60, UH-60 Black Hawk, Sikorsky UH-60 Black Hawk and on and on, and: please don't forget to adapt my holy List of helicopter models, which is still under construction and almost waiting for someone as persistent as you. CU there. Greetings --UPH 13:48, 21 Jun 2005 (UTC) I insist on "S-70" instead of "H-60" (really idiotic), see the numeration List of helicopter models#Sikorski. --UPH 13:52, 21 Jun 2005 (UTC)

It was requested that this article be renamed but there was no consensus for it to be moved. violet/riga (t) 18:19, 21 Jun 2005 (UTC)

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Updated references

From USAF AFA Air Force Magazine 2007 Almanac. Ops section needs refs. LanceBarber 17:16, 13 May 2007 (UTC)

Name?

Why is it called Pave Hawk? What's Pave? --AW 03:17, 18 June 2007 (UTC)

Pave is a Air Force program name relating to electronic systems. see PAVE. — DanMP5 03:36, 18 June 2007 (UTC)

MH-60G replaced by V-22?

I recall reading somewhere that the V-22 was going to replace the MH-60, but I'm not 100 percent sure.