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Disc-shaped UFO at Malmstrom AFB in 1967

In the 2002 UFO documentary Out of the Blue former SAC launch controller Lt. Col. Robert Salas gives his testimony about an incident in 1967 were a disc-shaped UFO hovered above the gates of the air force base and apparently temporarily rendered two of the Minuteman silos inoperable. I don't know if this incident currently has an article of its own, but it should be mentioned in this article nonetheless. __meco (talk) 09:07, 3 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

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This article lacks support from independent mainstream citations. Thus is does not have evidence of notability, and much of it appears to constitute original research promoting a fringe point of view. The article needs to be totally revamped, with reliable sourcing added where possible and unsourceable material removed. It may then become clear whether there is even sufficient notability to justify an independent article. Locke9k (talk) 17:44, 25 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I disagree. The article contains cited references from Dr. Roy Craig, a noted physicist and UFO skeptic who worked on the Condon Report. It also contains cited references from Edward J. Ruppelt, who was the head of the Air Force's Project Blue Book program and was hardly a "pro-UFO" advocate. Jerome Clark is a respected UFO historian - read his Wikipedia article - and his works are often consulted by both UFO "skeptics" and "believers". As for promoting a "fringe point of view", the article clearly notes that Mariana's lawsuit was dropped and that Roy Craig did not believe Mariana's claims that the film was clipped by the Air Force. The article also notes that the Robertson Panel dismissed the Mariana film. Unless the article is rewritten to include a biased point of view for either side - which would be a violation of Wikipedia's neutrality requirement for articles - I don't see how the article can be viewed as promoting only a "fringe" point of view. The Mariana event is notable in UFO history as one of the first times (if not the first) that a UFO was reportedly captured on a motion picture camera, and the Air Force deemed it worthy enough to investigate. IMO, the article presents both sides of the debate over whether the film is "authentic", has citations from both pro-and-con UFO writers, and should stand as written.