User:Strdst grl/adoption

This sub-page is for new users that I have adopted or who would like me to adopt them.

I currently have four adoptees: Escuincla, Sabiona, JazzieIce! and Marxmorley.

General Messages for Adoptees and New Users

• Look through the suggestions at WP:LEARN, WP:HELP and WP:ACM to get help getting started.

• Don't worry too much if you make mistakes - everyone does. Just be bold and ask for help if you get stuck.

• If you want to make sure a page isn't vandalised, or check if someone's replied to your comment on a Talk Page, you can click "watch" at the top of the page to add it to your watchlist. When you're logged in, your watchlist is in the links at the top of the page (along with your User page, Talk page etc.) and will display the last edit to any of your watched pages or their Talk pages.

• When editing, remember to write an edit summary in the line above the Save button. This is displayed on the page history, and helps other users see what changes you have made. Writing edit summaries reduces the chance that your edits will get mistaken for vandalism.

• If you need to access an old version of the page, click 'history' at the top. This has links to how the article appeared after every edit that has been made to it.

• WikiProjects can help with general maintenance of articles. Add the relevant project box to the talk page of the article - the code should be available on the project page.

Messages from Adoptees

See also User Talk:Strdst grl/adoption.

Adoptee:Escuincla

Just found this subheading. Did you just now put it in? Or did I miss it the first time? Anyways, my next question: I want to add "Retrieved on May 25, 2009" to my references at Valle de Chalco. I'm using the following code: . But the result isn't coming out precisely correctly, e.g. the "pipe" is printing out. I know this is a really minor, but I want to get it right. Escuincla (talk) 16:50, 25 May 2009 (UTC)

I only recently put this heading in, so it might not have been here last time. As for the citation, try using a "cite web" template. <ref>{{cite web|url=Web address here|title=The text for the link|work=The general website name|accessdate=Date}}</ref>. You can find more citation templates here. Also, when you want to write down what mark-up you are using without it getting displayed, surround it by no-wiki tags - <nowiki> and </nowiki>. strdst_grl (call me Stardust) 17:01, 25 May 2009 (UTC)

Hi Strdst grl. I've pretty much completed my article on Valle de Chalco. But there's already another article on the same city, Valle de Chalco Solidaridad, with a re-direct to Xico, Mexico State. The reason I created a new article (with the help of an experienced user) rather than editing the existing one, is because this is an inappropriate redirect. Xico is the wrong name for Valle de Chalco. How do I know??? I lived for five years in Valle de Chalco! However, there's a lot of good information in the Xico article, and it's confusing to have two articles about the same place, but under two different names. We really need to come to an agreement and combine the two articles. BOTTOM LINE: How do I identify the person who originally created the redirect to Xico? I've looked back in the history, but it's VERY confusing. Can you help? By the way, an Administrator told us we couldn't just delete the redirect. Escuincla (talk) 03:15, 27 May 2009 (UTC)

Okay, to find out who made the redirect, you go to the redirect page (if you click on the link, it should redirect to Xico, but underneath the title it says "redirected from Valle de Chalco Solidaridad" with a link to get back to the redirect page). Then, in the history, you can click on the dates of each edit to view the page after that edit. If you start at the top and work backwards, then the last page which is still a redirect is the one where the redirect was created, and the editor's name is at the top. Here, you want to talk to User:Thelmadatter about why the articles were merged in the first place. If they agree that Valle de Chalco deserves its own article, then you can change the redirect so that it points to your page by editing the link. strdst_grl (call me Stardust) 09:59, 27 May 2009 (UTC)

Adoptee: Sabiona

I just finished my article on Rick Shiomi. Would you look it over and give me an honest critique. I have more information and will be adding to it as I find time, but for now I just want it to make sense and fit in. I am continuing to work on Yellow Fever (play) and Mu Performing Arts and will be adding more as I find sources.

Also, I was surfing around and found the requested pages area. I fond an authhor I'm familiar with in that list, so I claimed it by creating a user/alison mcghee page and then putting a note next to teh blue link saying that I've clamed it. Is that the way I should do it? Thanks, Sabiona (talk) 19:14, 28 May 2009 (UTC)

Your article on Rick Shiomi looks like a good starting point, and it can be built up over time. I would make two suggestions: firstly, try giving the NavBox its own page as a template - for example, Template:Works of Rick Shiomi NavBox, and then linking it in through transclusion - putting the name of the template in {{these brackets}}. This will allow you to link the same template to all of the related articles. My only other suggestion would be to add the WikiProject Theatre project box to the Talk page, so that other editors with similar interests can find the article and improve it.

The way you've done the Alison McGhee page looks good, just remember to move the article out of your userspace when you are done working on it, and move the links to it as well - you can find out what pages link to a certain page by going to that page and pressing alt-shift-j. strdst_grl (call me Stardust) 10:18, 29 May 2009 (UTC)

06-09-2009

• How do I delete a page that I'm no longer using? I copied and pasted all the work I did to a new page to create a new Alison McGhee page, but now I have the original piece still in my user pages. Can I delete that? Should I have 'moved' it instead? Sabiona (talk) 16:37, 9 June 2009 (UTC)

Moving the page might have been simpler, but it still wouldn't delete the original. You need to add a deletion template explaining why you want the page deleted, so that an admin can delete it for you (see WP:DELETE for more details). As the page you are deleting is a user sub-page, I suggest you use {{db-user}} - just add that text to the top of the page, and it should be deleted within a day or so. strdst_grl (call me Stardust) 16:59, 9 June 2009 (UTC)

• Oh, and with Shiomi you suggested I create a template and store it elsewhere so that I can just link to it...I'm sorry, but that doesn't make sense to me, can you walk me through it with McGhee's works? Thanks, Sabiona (talk) 16:39, 9 June 2009 (UTC)

Okay. First, find the template text at the bottom of the page - it's in the last section, from where it says {{Navbox until the }} just before <noinclude>. All templates are surrounded by those brackets - {{ }}. Right now, the template being linked to is the general Navbox template which is generating the box from the list that you have specified. However, you could make it so that you can put that template on multiple pages by making a template page for it.

All you have to do is create a page called Template:Works of R A Shiomi (or anything along those lines). Then cut the Navbox section and make that the content of the page - nothing else, or that will be included in the linking later. If you want to put some text on the page outside of the template, surround it by no include tags - <noinclude> and </noinclude> so that it doesn't get linked. Then, back on the Rick Shiomi article, where there used to be the Navbox, put {{Works of R A Shiomi}} (or whatever you put as the name). The appearance should be the same, but you can then link to the template in exactly the same way from any other article.

This way of linking in a template is called transclusion, and thats what the {{ }} is for. If you want more information, you can find it on WP:TMP or H:T. strdst_grl (call me Stardust) 17:14, 9 June 2009 (UTC)

Well, that seemed easy enough. I'm not sure why my head wasn't wrapping around the concept. Thanks. And, I 'moved' a page that's easy enough, too. Hmmm, maybe I need a nap.

Adoptee: JazzieIce!

YES!I would LOVE to be adopted by you!--JazzieIce! (talk) 21:55, 30 May 2009 (UTC)

Adoptee: Marxmorley

Hi Strdst_grl, I just saw your message and followed the adoption instructions. Perhaps I should also use this option to ask one of my first questions. Regarding the edit I made of imminent threat, I also suggested that this be merged with a topic on self defence in international law. Such a topic does not exist yet and searching wikipedia for self defence will only yield a criminal law reading of self defence. Self defence in international law is quite different because of the Security Council and its powers under Chapter VII of the UN Charter. The imminent threat is part of the concept of self defence in international law and probably should not deserve a topic on its own.

Did I edit the topic properly?

While I am unfamiliar with this topic, if you think it needs to encompass self defence in international law as well, you have made a couple of mistakes. Firstly, when using a merge banner it should be placed at the head of the article, not on the talk page, although it will automatically link to the talk page for the discussion of the merger which should occur there.

However, since in this case the article you wish to merge with does not yet exist, you have several options. You can create the new article, and then merge it if/when the discussion agrees to, but this will be very time consuming and cumbersome. You could extend the existing article on Self defence to include the international law definition, and then merge with that, but this may lead to some confusion between the two topics.

I would suggest than you remove the merge proposal and instead propse to move the page to the new name, at which you can extend it to more fully cover the new topic. As this is likely to cause some controversy, you should announce your intention to move at both the Imminent threat talk page, and discuss the new page at the Self defence talk page (since the two articles will be similar and disambiguation may be needed). This is not required, and you could move the page straight away, but it's better to be on the safe side. strdst_grl (call me Stardust) 12:45, 2 January 2010 (UTC)

Thanks Strdst_grl. I have proposed a move and hopefully initiated the debate on both imminent threat and right of self-defense, which seems to be the legal topic on self-defence. Hopefully something will come of it ;) —Marxmorley (talk) 13:25, 2 January 2010 (UTC)