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Non-violent/violent Action

I'd like to clarify the description of Greenpeace's actions, which are currently described as being exclusively non-violent. There have been some objections, so rather than keep reverting each other back and forth, perhaps we should hash the issue out. I cited the following article as a reference: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/703085.stm, since it discusses Greenpeace activists destroying a field. I assume the issue is the debate over whether or not destruction of property is violence. The wikipedia page on the subject (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Direct_action#Nonviolent_direct_action) says there's some controversy over this, although suggests that the consensus is that property damage is violent.

Certainly, the current phrasing is unacceptable, since it's taking a rather partisan minority view on the issue. But perhaps the best thing to do is find some other word that avoids the dispute, or, barring that, cut the word non-violent and just describe it as "direct action." —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.7.70.195 (talk) 06:36, 23 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Concerning the maize crop thing, I think it is also worth noting that the Greenpeace activists were found not quilty of causing criminal damage by the jury: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/england/kent/7608371.stm Shubi (talk) 14:59, 27 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I'm not sure I see the relevance (to the question of violence---it's certainly relevant to any direct discussion of the incident). As the article discusses, they were acquitted because the jury was sympathetic to their motivation, not because of any doubt about what happened.75.82.62.109 (talk) 05:25, 4 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

They would be innocent until proven guilty. An acquittal is legal finality regarding the charges. The sympathies of jurors are less relevant then the motives of prosecutors. - Michael J Swassing (talk) 06:03, 1 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

This entire debate is POV pushing to the extreme. If anybody has proof that Greenpeace is a political organization which promotes violence, then take it to the office of Homeland Security. Otherwise, the passage in the text is restored. - Michael J Swassing (talk) 06:03, 1 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

An example of Greenpeace promoting destruction of property was given above. Destruction of property is widely (though not universally) considered to be destruction of property. A description which makes the controversy clear would be appropriate; categorically describing Greenpeace as non-violent is quote POV. Elseif (talk) 23:19, 5 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I don't think using one incident where the activist were found not quilty of causing criminal damage by the jury is a good example. But then, that's just me.89.27.59.129 (talk) 21:22, 16 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Suggest archiving and putting up a link to archives

I suggest archiving and putting up a link to the archived discussions. This page is way too long to be able to follow anything that is being said here in any of the topic threads.

Done!Shubi (talk) 14:09, 13 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Norman Borlaug

The greatest man in the world died recently, and had a very well known and documented fight with Greenpeace over genetically enhanced food. Norman's work alone filled 2 priorities at once and he isn't mentioned on this page at all:

Saving ancient forests (see deforestation, Intact forest landscapes) Promoting sustainable agriculture (and opposing genetic engineering)

If you can get over the last part "opposing genetic engineering", nobody in their right mind would fight this fight.

Norman Borlaug saved a billion people, prevented most of the rainforrests from being destroyed, and was still targeted by this highly political orginization. If they had it there way, this entire world would be covered in famine with no forrests at all. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.225.22.126 (talk) 17:15, 16 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Greenpeace Foundation versus Greenpeace International

Hi.

At present Greenpeace Foundation redirect to here, Greenpeace International.

But Greenpeace Foundation, aka Greenpeace Foundation Hawaii still exists, similar to London Greenpeace.

See:

http://www.greenpeacefoundation.org/about/about.cfm

How do I split these two apart or where do I put links if I want to make a separate Greenpeace Foundation page?

Thanks. --Dolphin song (talk) 12:12, 9 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I would suggest that in the beginning of this article there would be a link to disambiguation page about other uses for the name Greenpeace, but this page would remain as the primary topic, as Greenpeace International and it's regional offices are overwhelmingly the largest and most known Greenpeace there is.Shubi (talk) 12:56, 13 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Okay, I created a disambiguation page with links to other Greenpeace articles. The Greenpeace Foundation article is now just a stub.Shubi (talk) 13:53, 13 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Restructuring the page

I would suggest restructuring of the article and really thinking what is relevant and what is not. The organization is huge, so I think we cannot write about everything it does, but focus on the main points so that the article wouldn't be too long. I think even the opening of the article now is too long and messy. If some sections start gaining length we could start separate articles for them.

My suggestion for a new structure would be this:

0. Intro text, infobox,

1. History (The background, formation, growth and restructuring, offshoots like London Greenpeace, Greenpeace Foundation and :Sea Shepherd)

2. Organization (Governance, regional offices and financing)

3. Campaigns (Climate, Forests, Oceans, Toxics, GMO, Nuclear power and disarmament)

4. Working methods (Direct action, lobbying, media use)

5. Ships

6. Criticism

Shubi (talk) 14:22, 13 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I restructured the article, removed a lot of unsourced parts and irrelevant lists. For example it is quite trivial to have a long list of location of all the offices, and also it is trivial to have a list of random protests that Greenpeace has done. The grammar I wrote might be crap, since I'm not a native English speaker. Please comment on the changes I have made.Shubi (talk) 12:05, 1 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

needs better image showing office locations

highlight the entire country is a little useless for conveying where greenpeace is located and could suggest the organization is not concentrated in any particular regions, when it certainly is. 74.100.178.116 (talk) 08:19, 9 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I think it is useful to highlight the entire country, as the national offices operate on issues concerning the entire country. What the highlighting of the entire country suggests is up to the viewer to decide. To me the map shows that Greenpeace is concentrated on industrialized/western and major developing countries. There's not much Greenpeace offices in Africa and Middle East for example. But I think the addition of the offices as dots in each country would be a nice addition to the map. The map would need to be larger then, as Europe would be a bit cramped with so many rather small countries.Shubi (talk) 09:37, 11 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

strange bits

This is really vague and maybe a bit romanticized. I don't really understand what does this actually mean:

"The social and cultural background from which Greenpeace emerged heralded a period of de-conditioning away from old world antecedents and sought to develop new codes of social, environmental and political behavior."

Without concrete examples this really doesn't mean anything to me at least. I would remove this.89.27.56.101 (talk) 05:22, 13 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]