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January 8

Help me identify an obscure music video from the 1980s

Can anybody suggest a music video where two people fall from the sky, and land in a convertible automobile? I think this music video aired in the mid to late 1980s, but I am just guessing. I don't know what band performed, nor do I know the name of the song. I am fairly certain the song is not a famous one, but I would still like to know who did it? They landed in the car toward the end of the movie, and the car is driving along on the highway. There's countryside around them. I don't think they are in the city, but out in the country. It's dry weather, possibly sunny, and very likely near sunset. Dexter Nextnumber (talk) 06:27, 8 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Did the part where they fall into the car appear to be a modern film, or was it an older one? I'm asking because in the 1960s, Hertz Rent-a-Car ran ads showing someone dropping out of the sky and into a moving car ("Let Hertz put you in the driver's seat!")[1] and that video could have been either one of those old ads, or a takeoff on one. That doesn't directly help identify the video, but it might jog a memory somewhere. ←Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots→ 06:49, 8 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for reminding me of all of those Hertz rent-a-car ads. So legendary and iconic, they even made their presence known in the caricatures of Hertz by the MAD magazine lampoons of the day. But I really doubt it was a vintage 1960s commercial somehow redubbed with 1980s music.

Rather, the video was in the 1980s, and the music was standard rock and roll. Electric guitar, drum, that sort of thing. I was born in 1958, and know the difference between 1960s music and 1980s music. This was a music video that aired on MTV prior to the creation of VH1, if that helps any.

I think it was a guy and a girl that landed in the convertible. No doubt an inside reference to a rather common theme of times long gone. Dexter Nextnumber (talk) 07:16, 8 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Obviously 1980s music, but possibly laid over one of those 1960s ads, is what I was thinking. But from your description, the car scene also dated to the 1980s, and either purposely or coincidentally might have imitated the part of that ad clip that starts at about the 48 second mark. ←Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots→ 07:28, 8 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Sounds like a ZZ Top video I dimly remember. Possibly Sleeping bag? --Dweller (talk) 10:46, 8 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

It may have been soft music, with a standard guitar riff of some kind. Not blues, more Barry Manilowish. Okay, maybe not that mellowish, but softer music. I wish there were a playlist of some kind for MTV music videos, down to the year, day, and a minute. Do you know if a playlist of that kind exists? Dexter Nextnumber (talk) 01:56, 15 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Numbers 1 to 10 in Proto-Afroasiatic language?

Can anybody conjecture what, in Proto-Afroasiatic, the numbers for 1 to 10 were? Or suggest a link to a website out of Wiki, that deals with this question? Dexter Nextnumber (talk) 07:07, 8 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Would this be better on the Language Desk? Alansplodge (talk) 18:52, 8 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Copied to Language Desk - look for answers there. Exxolon (talk) 21:00, 9 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Movie titles

Why are some movies given different titles in different countries? Thanks NirocFX 41.193.16.234 (talk) 11:12, 8 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

See the Market Based Title entry on TvTropes.org for a host of reasons from past movie releases. Generally it boils down to either a movie or tv show with that name already existing in that country (and there are either trademarks to buy or you just don't want a clash) or someone believing the target market won't understand an element of the title (such as not knowing what the Philosopher's stone is in a Harry Potter book/movie title or that Live Free or Die is a state motto in the USA which can be handily used for a Bruce Willis film). Generally it's just marketing fiddling but sometimes there are very good reasons. Nanonic (talk) 11:45, 8 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

A while (that's a decade or two, probably) ago the Open University ran a program (presumably as part of a business or marketing course) about the branding of the James Bond films. It said that this was the first film series that was internationally marketed and that allowed local marketing people to decide how the property as a whole was sold in their area (rather than just imposing a uniform campaign from Hollywood, with just translation). For one particular film (I think we're talking late-Moore/early-Dalton) was marketed in the UK and US with a fairly violent trailer, in France and Italy with a trailer emphasising the sex, and in Germany with a trailer emphasising gadgets. In some countries the film's English language name was used, in some it was translated, in some it was utterly different, and in Japan it was very strange - something like "the snow falls from the autumn sky", which seemed to carry no resemblance to the actual (let's face it, wholly unpoetic) film. It also said that Bond was marketed in China as "The Iron Man", and the film posters for the Chinese market looked a lot like those of martial arts films. It seems the Bond series was a harbinger of the phenomenon that you report. It seems entirely a wise business idea to let the marketing people expert in a given market decide how to sell a film (at least of this kind) - maybe great art transcends borders, but tits-and-explosions films need to be tailored to the market, and the name is just a small part of that. -- Finlay McWalter • Talk 22:37, 8 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

So it's basically just a way of marketing and sometimes not wanting to clash with other folks and depending on the type of audience/market that you're facing obviously it's all business at the end.

Thanks guys, (Nanonic, Finlay McWalter)

NirocFX (talk) 09:56, 9 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

And of course different languages in different countries. A movie can't be marketed if the audience can't understand the title. Sometimes it is translated, sometimes an all new title is set in another coutry. The Great Cucumber (talk) 19:24, 10 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

And somtimes, because of cultural differences, a word-by-word translation might not be appropriate, might sound too artificial, or have a different meaning. A very extreme example I can think of, is the movie Alien. For an American audience, it is quite clear that the word "alien" most commonly refers to an extraterrestrial, but for example in Hungarian, it just means "foreigner". So they came out with such an extreme change in the title as: "The 8th passenger is the Death". --131.188.3.21 (talk) 23:41, 10 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

In Yugoslav markets, Alien was just "The 8th Passanger". Which made for an awkward situation when sequels were made - we got "The 8th Passanger 2" even though there was more then 7 people and no travel involved in the sequels :) TomorrowTime (talk) 08:39, 11 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

At least it was avoided in Hungary, the second movie titled "The name of the planet: Death". This can, however, create another problem: the title alone does not make it clear that it's a sequel of the first one. --131.188.3.20 (talk) 15:48, 11 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

This article unfortunately debunks the myth (which would have been great if true) that the film of the play The Madness of George III was changed to The Madness of King George because American audiences would have thought it was the sequel to The Madness of George I and II. --Richardrj ^talk ^email 09:31, 11 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Before this thread goes away, I must add a note about my favorite example of such a title change.

During World War II, the British carried out a military deception where they used an actor, M.E. Clifton James, to impersonate their most famous general, Field Marshal Bernard Montgomery, who he resembled. Clifton James subsequently wrote a book about the deception and in 1958 this was adapted into a film, aptly titled I Was Monty's Double; Clifton James, naturally, played both title characters.

However, this title was not considered suitable when the film was released in the US: presumably it was felt that American audiences, if they ever knew who Monty was, would have forgotten by now. So the title was changed for the US... to Hell, Heaven or Hoboken! I do not believe the movie contains any reference to any specific places in the US, but I read somewhere on the Internet (I can't find the page now) that the title phrase was an American catchphrase about not knowing where you'd end up when you got into a war, or something of that kind. --Anonymous, 20:45 UTC, January 13, 2010.

Scottish tunes

Is there a musical relationship between any of the following tunes?

In what way do you mean? Poss same age? Same Writer? Same chord structure? Do you suspect a link (and therefore what do you thnk it is?) or is this just all the Scottish Tunes you can think of? The more detailed the request, the better the response will be... Gazhiley (talk) 13:49, 8 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I went to Harry Robertson (composer) where it said Hoots Mon (1958) was obviously based on and a response to Bill Haley's Rockin' Through The Rye (1956) which in turn is based on Comin' Through the Rye. That seemed to me dotty as it sounds the same as A Hundred Pipers so I changed it. But maybe I am wrong or tune deaf or chord structure unaware. In any event I breached WP:OR. Comin' Through the Rye says it is based on Auld Lang Syne but doesn't sound like it to me. A Hundred Pipers referred to Durham Reel and Durham Rangers and Bonnie Dundee as if they are the same tune. My ears don't agree with that. So I thought to ask here. Kittybrewster ☎ 14:07, 8 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

If it lacks a citation, it's probably an editor's personal opinion. And I certainly wouldn't say Comin' Through the Rye sounds very much like Auld Lang Syne. The last line of the chorus maybe sounds a little similar, but that's about it. Also, if you replace your hard-coded numbers with pound-signs, I think they will line up the way you typed them. :) [I took the liberty of changing them]. ←Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots→ 14:29, 8 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Allan Sherman:

Do not make a stingy standwich / Pile the cold-cuts high

Customers should see salami / Coming through the rye

I know a man whose name is Lang / And he has a neon sign

And Mr. Lang is very old / So they call it Old Lang's Sign

I don't think those songs even have the same meter, let along the same tune. ←Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots→ 16:12, 8 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Baltimore Ravens

Do you think the Ravens (NFL) can beat the New England Patriots and advance? MMS2013 21:04, 8 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Do we think they can? It is possible, yes. But, to quote the top of this page, The reference desk does not answer requests for opinions or predictions about future events. Do not start a debate; please seek an internet forum instead. Comet Tuttle (talk) 21:16, 8 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

"On any given Sunday, any team can beat any other team." Does that pretty well cover it? :) ←Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots→ 23:53, 8 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

The majority of the lines are around 3 for the Pats, which means that the public thinks the teams are roughly equal (no clue if the lines started out at -3; plus the lines aren't meant to judge the actual outcomes but to get equal wagering on both teams).--droptone (talk) 13:29, 9 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

SF play/book/story about anti-terrorist dogs

A few months ago (which may mean a year or more) BBC Radio 4 broadcast a play (or perhaps simply a reading of book) of a science-fictionish nature. Can any refdesker identify it (which my googling has failed to do)? It took place in a near-future in which terrorism was endemic, and the terrorists had reacted to security measures by hiding explosives under their clothing. I think the authorities had in turn insisted that travellers wear translucent clothing, and in turn the terrorists had taken to sewing explosives into their bodies. This arms race was broken by dogs (trained, I think, by some ex-military bloke) which had unparalleled ability to detect these bombs (I think by some body-language method, rather than smell or some cyborg/magic type thing). The play was written with this all in the past, as a reminiscence about those black days before the dogs fixed terrorism. Given recent events this story seems yet more apt. Does this ring any bells with anyone? -- Finlay McWalter • Talk 22:12, 8 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Well, I can tell you that you didn't imagine it, but I can't for the life of me find evidence of it online. Maybe I'm missing some key words. I seem to recall a rather dark ending with barking dogs approaching. 86.178.73.74 (talk) 00:00, 10 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

January 9

NFL coach contracts

The compensation of coaches in the NFL is, for some reason, public knowledge in many cases. My questions: (a) Why is it public knowledge that a coach is being paid, say, US$3 million per year for each of the next 3 years? This is very proprietary information at other businesses with the exception of the CEOs of public companies, which is for reasons of transparency for shareholders, which is not a concern in the NFL. (b) If a coach is fired after 1 year, is he paid for the remaining years, as you'd expect in any other business? Or is there some coach-specific arrangement in the NFL that treats this situation in a specific way? Comet Tuttle (talk) 05:25, 9 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

In the entertainment industry in general, it seems that salaries are or become widely known. This has been the case for a long time. Just why that is, is something I've wondered about also. You can see it for universities, especially those that are publicly-funded; but professional sports are private industry. As far as compensation after being fired, with both college and pro coaches (as well as pro athletes) that would be a function of however their contract reads. Typically, they would be. ←Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots→ 12:22, 9 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

If coaches salaries are applicable to the NFL salary cap, teams may have to disclose those salaries. I know that players salaries end up being public for much the same reason. Head coaches aren't treated all that different from players; for example if a head coach under contract to one team is signed by another, the coaches former team may be due compensatory draft picks much as if he had been a free agent player. When Bill Parcells left the Patriots for the Jets, the Jets gave the Pats a first round draft pick in return. --Jayron32 04:57, 10 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Non-player salaries are not charged against the salary cap. As for why the salaries are reported -- I'd think there's a good bit of preening involved in addition to the other points presented above. The coach's agent, in particular (I can only assume that coaches have agents) wants other potential clients to know what a great job he's done. — Lomn 14:18, 11 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Child actors

In the 1997 movie Full Monty, which contains strong language and adult themes, William Snape (born 1985) played the part of a prepubescent boy. Another example would be an episode ("Ten") of Men Behaving Badly where Dorothy's ten year old nephew comes to visit the main characters. In the episode, the boy discovers Gary's "lady book" (a porn magazine) and takes part in dialogue containing adult themes. I don't find this particularly offensive, but I'm just curious - where do producers find child actors for productions that most parents wouldn't let their children see, let alone be a part of? 88.112.62.154 (talk) 08:04, 9 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Probably through professional Casting agencies, just like all the other actors. Consider that firstly, the non-linear and disconnected way that films and TV shows are routinely made means that actors aren't necessarily exposed to any shot that they're not actually in, so a Child actor need not see/hear anything in other parts of the piece than their own scenes, and need not see the completed film/show; secondly, clever editing could appear to juxtapose them with action/dialogue they were not actually involved in; thirdly, a prop that, in the storyline, is supposedly obscene (e.g. Gary's "lady book") may be an innocuous dummy in shots where the child is actually in contact with it; fourthly, both the child actors and their parents may be more liberal, worldly wise and professional in attitude than your personal standards might suggest; and finally, the employment of minors in acting is (at least in most of the First World) strictly regulated and supervised to avoid their exploitation, overwork, loss of schooling and so on (our Child actor article is regrettably sketchy and North American-centric in this regard), so any director who allowed transgressive treatment would run a serious risk of professional and legal sanctions. 87.81.230.195 (talk) 12:18, 9 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for the answer. The "lady book" did feature, as far as I can remember, seminaked women in the cover (whether it was a prop or actual porn mag, I don't know) and since the show was made in the 1990's, I don't think they could've shopped it in that convincingly. The magazine was clearly seen held by the boy, so it couldn't have been a "stunt" either. I myself see no problem in this (as long as the children are not mistreated and I find the "lady book" scene really hilarious) as many parents are (in my opinion) excessively protective about swearing and non-sexual nudity, and I asked the question out of pure curiosity. Thanks for your comprehensive answer in any case! 88.112.62.154 (talk) 12:38, 9 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

There's a scene in Kramer vs. Kramer in which a fully-nude JoBeth Williams comes out of Dustin Hoffman's bedroom into the hallway and runs into his young son (Justin Henry). She plays it as being startled, nervously covering up, etc. He reacts as blandly as if she were wearing a business suit. One would assume that there was some cinematic trickery going on there. Maybe someone knows? ←Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots→ 12:54, 9 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

There's a scene in Clerks where Randall is ordering movies over the phone for the video store. A woman comes in with a young child in her arms and asks if he can get Happy Scrappy Hero Pup. Getting back to his phone conversation, he asks the distributor for a number of titles, all of them pornographic with various words in the titles which you'd rather a child didn't repeat at the school playground. If you pay attention though, you can see that the child is never in the shot while he's saying the most offensive stuff. The kid is there while he's saying things like "Yes, I'd like to order the following titles..." and there's a shot of the kid, without Randall in the shot although his voice was edited in later as a voice over, so again the kid didn't actually hear the words. And finally, you may be interested to know that Thora Birch was a minor when her nude scene was shot for the film American Beauty. Her parents had to agree to her being in the scene. And they, as well as child labor representatives, were present during the filming. And around here somewhere, unless it got deleted, is a list of films in which minors appear while nude. Dismas|^(talk) 13:36, 9 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Phoebe Cates was not quite 18 when filming wrapped for 1982's Paradise (1982 film). While she showed plenty of skin, the more explicit (i.e. adult) stuff was done with doubles. More problematic, perhaps, was a very young Brooke Shields in 1978's Pretty Baby, filmed when she was only about 12. How they got away with that one is still a mystery. But I think she was shielded from the relatively explicit stuff. ←Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots→ 14:33, 9 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

A bigger outcry was made over Tatum O'Neal's smoking a cigarette with her father when she was aged 9 - I think the movie was Paper Moon? --TammyMoet (talk) 16:18, 9 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Christian Slater was 16 when his nude scene in The Name of the Rose was shot. I don't know what sorts of accomodations were made for him. Woogee (talk) 20:25, 9 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

When the then 11-year old Anna Paquin won the Academy Award for Best Supporting Actress in 1994 for The Piano, she was too young to see the film in the cinema. Astronaut (talk) 02:32, 12 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

And then there was Traci Lords who started in porn at the age of 15. Astronaut (talk) 02:39, 12 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Whenever this topic comes up, I always think of Danny Lloyd in The Shining (film). [Shudders....] Kingsfold (talk) 18:51, 14 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

No. 1 rock and roll band in the land?

In 1977, who would have been the number one rock band in the United Kingdom? Arsectomy (talk) 10:37, 9 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Depends on your criteria. Do you mean in terms of album sales, singles sales, popular impact or what? If you're talking about albums sales, it was probably someone like Pink Floyd, who put Animals out that year. In terms of popular and cultural impact, though, there can only be one answer. --Richardrj ^talk ^email 10:54, 9 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

(after EC) Depends on your definition of rock, and also how you define "number one". By the standards of that time, Led Zeppelin or Pink Floyd would have been Number One in terms of sales, concerts etc. However, punk rock was also popular and so maybe the Sex Pistols in terms of media coverage. And don't forget Elvis Presley and Marc Bolan died in this year, and so their sales went up accordingly. --TammyMoet (talk) 10:59, 9 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

The Rolling Stones had also been playing for years by then and had built up quite the following. And on the other side of the longevity spectrum, The Clash had just released their first album which did very well for them. Dismas|^(talk) 11:26, 9 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks guys, I realise I have got the timing slightly wrong - I'm actually thinking of late October 1976, so a month before the Sex Pistols' first single came out.Arsectomy (talk) 12:55, 9 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Okay, but you still haven't really given us a measuring stick by which to gauge "number one rock band". Do you mean sales? Or just general sense of hype and popularity? If so, we've pretty much supplied a number of good candidates. And limiting this according to when the Sex Pistols released their first single, are you therefore looking for punk bands that the Sex Pistols would be displacing? Dismas|^(talk) 13:21, 9 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

(e/c) Certainly Led Zeppelin and Pink Floyd would have been up there, as well as Queen, The Rolling Stones and The Who. With hindsight, it's easy to see punk rock as seeming to be much more dominant than it actually was at the time - it grabbed wide social attention, and attracted many of the teenagers of the time, but most "rock fans" even then were in their 20s and 30s, and the overwhelming majority of them (except for people like John Peel and, er, me.. as the first person in Exeter to buy a Sex Pistols record - true!!...) rejected punk as "unmusical". The top albums in the UK in 1976 - here - were from Abba, The Beach Boys, Glen Campbell (!), Slim Whitman (!!) and Queen. Ghmyrtle (talk) 13:22, 9 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

PS: @Dismas - the Pistols didn't "displace" any punk bands in the UK - together with The Damned (whose first single came out in October 1976), they were the first. Ghmyrtle (talk) 13:57, 9 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

PPS: Also honourable mentions for Wings and Rod Stewart - close to the top of many lists of "best artists" at the time. Ghmyrtle (talk) 14:50, 9 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, hype and popularity - thinking about in the popular imagination. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Arsectomy (talk • contribs) 14:40, 9 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

In that case it would probably be Queen, who had played in Hyde Park, London to an audience of 150,000 that year. Zep didn't tour in 1976 because of Robert Plant's injuries sustained in a car crash in Greece. Floyd were recording the Animals album. --TammyMoet (talk) 16:15, 9 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Were Queen bigger than Slade and Status Quo in late '76? Arsectomy (talk) 16:27, 9 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, definitely. Slade's peak had passed by then and the Quo were never more than a metal-lite band, albeit a good one. --Richardrj ^talk ^email 16:47, 9 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I agree. Slade were never regarded as a "rock band" - they were definitely considered "pop" (though good live, apparently). To clarify, given that they are described as a "rock band" in their article - over the years the definition of what is a "rock band" has grown wider than it was in the 1970s, when there was a fairly clear split between "rock bands" and "pop groups". One of the many contributions punk made was to blur or get rid of that distinction - the Pistols, Clash etc. were "rock bands" playing 2-minute songs. With hindsight, Slade can now legitimately be classed as "rock", but that's not how it seemed at the time. Ghmyrtle (talk) 17:19, 9 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

According to this chart, the of top 10 singles in the UK in 1976, none were by rock bands. For the top albums of 1976, the only rock band there is probably The Eagles. This chart: [2] has a few more "rock" bands listed; it has a few differences from the first two, and has Queen's Night at the Opera among its top ten for 1976. That page notes that that The Story of The Who peaked at #2 in October of that year, so you could make a case that "The Who" was the most popular rock band in October 1976. --Jayron32 04:45, 10 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

As further evidence for The Who, this database: [3] (select "october 1976" for both start and end dates, and select order by highest position) indicates that a reissue of The Who's song "Substitute" peaked at #7 during October 1976; no other true rock band had a higher charting single during that month. --Jayron32 04:49, 10 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Or, as noted on The Official Charts site above, "Enjoying their one and only week on top in October was Dr Feelgood with Stupidity". My vote goes to this amazing band, still touring but with two of its founder members unfortunately having died. Still amazing live though. --TammyMoet (talk) 16:42, 10 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

David Goldstrom

Does anyone know where I can find out more about him? He's the ski jumping commentator on British Eurosport. —Preceding unsigned comment added by TammyMoet (talk • contribs) 16:09, 9 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

There's a bio at http://equestrianentertainment.com/frame-bodytalentbank.htm#dg Dalliance (talk) 18:55, 9 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Cool! A man of many talents! --TammyMoet (talk) 19:27, 9 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

January 10

Racism and Yuriko / Deathstrike?

Have there every been allegations of racist stereotypes in the character Yuriko Oyama / Deathstrike from X-Men, particularly in her film incarnation in X2? I say this because the character, and the actress portraying her, are of East Asian descent, and she has adamantium "claws" that extend from her fingers like elongated fingernails. Western stereotypes of Chinese have historically included long, menacing, dragon-like fingernails. --达伟 (talk) 04:02, 10 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Why stop there? Why pick on just her? Sunfire was Asian and his powers and name came from the association between Japan and the Sun. Then there's Luke Cage who is black. So naturally where did the creators peg his birthplace? Harlem. Adding to that, both he and Bishop were often drawn as bald men furthering the stereotype of big bald black men. And then there's Warpath who is an American Indian. What else would an American expect from someone named Warpath? Same thing with Thunderbird. Yet another American Indian. Basically, what I'm getting at is that American comics (I can't speak for those from other countries since I haven't read manga or any European comics) are rife with stereotypes. Dismas|^(talk) 05:27, 10 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I'm not aware of any complaints, but as Dismas said above, comics (in previous decades, at least) were full of stereotypes. An Irish guy? Banshee. An American Indian? Thunderbird, then Warpath. If you look at DC's Global Guardians, they were all hastily-thrown together stereotypes. Dayewalker (talk) 05:58, 10 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

One more thing. I'm having trouble thinking of even one genius who isn't white. So far, I've got Professor X, Beast (he was white before the blue fur grew), Reed Richards, ~~Forge~~, Batman, Iron Man, Moira MacTaggert, Magneto (who in the movie continuity helped build Cerebra), and Mister Sinister who when not drawn as silver and metallic is drawn as white. Dismas|^(talk) 06:02, 10 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I can come up with Bill Foster (who was always portrayed as a bargain-basement Hank Pym), the Black Panther, the new Mr. Terrific, and Joshua Clay from the Doom Patrol. That's all I've got for now. Dayewalker (talk) 06:14, 10 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

There's also Amadeus Cho (Korean) and Forge (Cheyenne, though for some reason he's on your "white" list). Matt Deres (talk) 15:08, 10 January 2010 (UTC) Whoops, didn't see your strike-through there. Matt Deres (talk) 15:11, 10 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Is comic book Magneto Jewish? I guess that's something (although he is a bad guy so maybe not). Adam Bishop (talk) 20:36, 10 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, and Doctor Doom is a "Gypsy" (so far as I've ever seen, he's never referred to himself as Roma). Both Doctor Doom and Magneto would certainly qualify as comic-book scientific geniuses, but whether they qualify as "white" or "non-white" is obviously a bit of a debatable point. In some comics, it's slightly implied that Xavier is also Jewish, though I don't ever recall him self-identifying as such. Matt Deres (talk) 21:54, 10 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Racism means the message of the movie stating that someone is inferior or superior only because of being part of a certain ethnic group. Just by having someone of a certain ethnicity in a movie, even if a bit stereotypical, why should it be racism? If, for example, an Irish guy would not have red hair and speak with, well, Irish accent, how would you know he's Irish? --131.188.3.20 (talk) 21:30, 10 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I think the thing is we need to separate attributes, stereotypes, and racism. If we created a Chinese character who spoke Chinese and we polled Chinese people to create someone who looks live an "average" Chinese, then penning or filming that character wouldn't be racism and probably wouldn't be stereotypical. Ditto for an Irish person. The line between stereotype and racism is less clear cut. I would argue--for the same reason I raised the question about Yuriko/Deathstrike in the first place, is that a stereotype typically takes attributes who are in fact common among a certain group and exaggerates them in a distorted fashion or exploits these attributes outside general norms, or takes an image of that group which members of other groups hold but are not necessarily true, and use that image to represent a group....Just my two kopecks. --达伟 (talk) 01:11, 11 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

PlayStation 2 newest model and its cost in Japan

According to PlayStation 2 article, Sony has announced that starting April 1, 2009 the PS2 would be retailing at the new price of $99.99. Maybe it is even cheaper at the moment, I think. But in my country, the PS2 model 90006 (modded) is newest and retails at around $145, so that I wanna buy one from Japan for a latest model, a guaranteed quality product (Chinese goods is everywhere in my country) and a right cost (my cousin is going to Japan next week for work). Does anyone know what the newest model of PS2 is? And how much does it cost in Japan (at this time of course)? If you don't live in Japan, you can also tell me 'bout your regional cost for a reference. Any helpful info is always welcome! Livy the pixie (talk) 10:45, 10 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Are you sure PS2s in Japan are not made in China or are otherwise better quality? Personally I doubt that's the case. It's possible PS2s in Vietnam (if I'm correct that's where your from) may have nearly always been modified or exclude original accessories, you may tend to get older models and the cost may be cheaper in Japan, but I'm not convinced the consoles themselves, when unmodified are any different from the ones sold in Japan at some stage. Also since I presume you're not planning to modify your PS2, you may want to make sure you are in the same PS2 region as Japan. I believe you may be, but I'm not sure Nil Einne (talk) 15:43, 10 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Right I'm from Vietnam, and PS2s in my country are always modded, not "nealy" as you guest. It seems to be impossible to find an unmodded console except for PS3 (and maybe PSP Go as well), which is currently unmodable. I can get an second hand older model, but it costs around $80, while an all new PS2 costs only $100 according to the PS2 article. And there's no telling how long the 2nd hand PS2 is used, and when it stop working and need to be repaired. I'm sure the cost in Japan is much lower, 'cause of transport fee and tax. Besides, in many online shops at my country, most of PS2s retail at $145 except for some which are marked as "company goods" (means this one is from the original company) and have a cost of $173! I assume that those $145 PS2s is from China or something likes that. Chinese goods is cheap indeed, but quick to corrupt/broke as well -- I'm sick of them. I intend to have my cousin get one from Japan, then I'll mod it later. Modchips are available in shops, everywhere, just pay $10 -> $15 and they'll do all for you in a blink of an eye. Livy the pixie (talk) 18:04, 10 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I got the answer in Japanese Wikipedia reference desk. It cost 16,000 yen ($173, and not modded yet), even more expensive than in my country. Perhaps I should correct the PS2 article, the $99.99 price mention abobe is a hoax. -- Livy the pixie (talk) 16:12, 11 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

You might also have problems using a Japanese import PS2. The TV systems are different (Vietnam uses PAL and Japan uses NTSC) and games are coded for only one TV standard - ie. you will only be able to use games bought from countries that use NTSC. Also the mains electricity supply is different (Vietnam uses 220V, 50Hz and Japan uses 110V, 60Hz), so you'll need a conversion transformer. Astronaut (talk) 02:23, 12 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I know. The main difference beetween PAL and NTSC is that PAL television broadcasts contain 625 lines of resolution compared to NTSC's 525. But I hear that we're able to play both PAL and NTSC version of the game with a modded PS2. There may be a screen-resized problem when NTSC games are played on PAL televisions, right? -- Livy the pixie (talk) 09:12, 12 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I think it depends on the mod. I had one of those awkward to use boot disks for my American (NTSC) PS2. I used it to play imports and I had no problem with British (PAL) disks. APL (talk) 19:19, 13 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

More

I am trying to find the film More by Barbet Schroeder, I would like to watch this online, or downloand it, but preferably online, the movie is twinned with the Pink Floyd album: Music from the Film More, much like their album: Obscurred by Clouds which accompanied the movie The Valley by BArbet Schroeder, this I have seen thanks to Google but have been unable to find More, any help would be appreciated. Thanks —Preceding unsigned comment added by 62.172.58.82 (talk) 13:08, 10 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Playstation 3 Network? compared to Xbox 360 Live.

why not as many ppl playing on ps3 network than xbox 360 live? i have an ps3 and i never get to play anyone online, hardly anyone that is. BoardsofCanadaDawnChorus (talk) 18:27, 10 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry, I have no reference for this — but as a reminder, the population of online players varies a lot depending on what game you are trying to find a match for. To get a straight-up comparison you'd want to compare the same title on both platforms. Comet Tuttle (talk) 06:16, 11 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Use for the Words Worth Password

In the end of this game, it is provided a password, I could see this on DOS (PC98) and Win95 versions, but I don't see the same when I played Windows Xp, the images of DOS and Win95 passwords were:

Words Worth DOS version

Words Worth Win95 version

Both endings were "Harem Ending", well, those passwords I obtained them in the first time of playing, and I don't play again, but when I play Words Worth for Windows Xp, I make the decision of loss some scenes and make one different, this scenes were:

1 Second Meet of Stallion with Silvanna in one of the rooms of the dungeon upstairs, after prisoners of Tribe of Ligh escapes and after Astro "tried to help" Maria and Silvanna.

2 In the forest when "Man without name" encounter a fairy in a "complicated" situation, i choose Don't Help Her (the others encounters I choose Help Her, on Win95 version).

3 Scene of William and Mew at the lake seen by Pollux.

When I get the same ending for Words Worth Xp, I don't see any password, then I though it was an error or something, and I reinstalled the game on the same folder, I played again choosing the same options like in the Win95 version, getting all the scenes (except for the others endings of course) and I still don't get the password, I was thinking the WWXp version was the same like Win95, i do this to know if the three games have passwords and then I could play the game again more enthusiastic for discover what kind of thing changes in the game after beating it once and getting the password, I remember during the game to give a password that Pollux doesn't known and I was hoped that this password might be the answer, but I don't understand, maybe something i did wrong.

Thanks in advance.Kaytusven (talk) 21:06, 10 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Ball dancing?

What is the name for this? Dismas|^(talk) 21:35, 10 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

See Rhythmic gymnastics. As far as I know, the individual events are usually referred to simply by the name of the apparatuses involved—"ball", "hoop", "clubs", etc. Deor (talk) 21:46, 10 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks! Dismas|^(talk) 05:12, 11 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Not just clubs, but Indian clubs. 67.51.38.51 (talk) 16:36, 12 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Searching for a name of a movie

I hope someone here will have a better memory than myself. There was a comedy movie, I think Italian, which involved the main character (and his family, I think) traveling through history and impersonating several historical characters or at least being part of certain famous events. I've seen it a long time ago, and just remember two scenes: in one "prehistoric" scene the titular character mistakes the leg of a dinosaur for a tree when trying to urinate behind it, and another of a battle between soccer fans, an English and Italian bus fighting like two sailing ships, with luggage compartment doors opening and cannons emerging, boarding parties swinging through on ropes, etc. The movie is not that new, I think it's at least a few decades old. The actor is quite short and a bit overweight, but it can be that I'm don't remember this correctly. --131.188.3.20 (talk) 21:52, 10 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

That does sound familiar. It reminds me of Python's the Meaning of Life, but I do not think that is it. Sorry I can't think of it either. The Russian Christopher Lilly 05:01, 11 January 2010 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Christopher1968 (talk • contribs)

No, it was not Monty Python. It was almost certainly Italian. --131.188.3.21 (talk) 06:34, 11 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Another scene jumps to my mind: the titular character, as a medieval beggar, is sitting in an inn. An arrow hits the desk (or wall, don't remember), and Robin Hood enters. He gives the beggar a sack of gold, saying something like "I'm Robin Hood, I take from the rich and give to the poor!". The beggar returns home, shows the money to his wife, and she happily exclaims: "We're rich!". At this point an arrow flies in, followed by Robin Hood, who takes the gold away, saying just the same thing as earlier.

Does this ring a bell to anyone? --131.188.3.20 (talk) 22:41, 11 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Not Time Bandits? This was almost a Monty Python film, being directed by Terry Gilliam and co-written by Gilliam and Michael Palin. --Richardrj ^talk ^email 08:44, 12 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

No NOT Time Bandits - there Robin Hood watches as one of his men punches each pauper before giving them alms. "Is that really necessary?" asks Robin. "Yes" says the thug. Anyway, Time Bandits was a Brit Flick; we're looking for an Italian film. Alansplodge (talk) 09:16, 12 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Yeah I know it was a Brit flick but the OP only said the one s/he was looking for was "almost certainly Italian". People's memories can be unreliable, so in the absence of anything more concrete a bit of speculation can't do any harm. --Richardrj ^talk ^email 11:34, 12 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I think I've found it: it's from a series called Fantozzi, the movie itself is Superfantozzi. The imdb description and a few images and excerpts found on Google and Youtube confirms it. Was not easy to find, it seems it is not that well-known in the English-speaking world. Thanks for trying to help. :) --131.188.3.21 (talk) 16:03, 12 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

January 11

a movie set in a cold place

I'm trying to remember a movie, it's set in a cold place iceland, alaska, and one of the main characters is a young man that remembers every word he´s heard, I think he is asian. That´s all I remember, any help would be appreciated. Wiki b3RRy (talk) 03:10, 11 January 2010 (UTC) Wiki b3RRy (talk) 03:09, 11 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Try looking at articles on eidetic memory, which at the bottom has a list of fictional characters claiming to have this gift. The Russian Christopher Lilly 04:58, 11 January 2010 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Christopher1968 (talk • contribs)

No luck there, thank you Wiki b3RRy (talk) 07:08, 11 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Lyrics of Songs Long Gone by

I am interested in finding the lyrics to a number of songs that have been around for some time. " Back in the Days of the old Schoolyard " I cannot recall who sung it,

then there was one from either New Zealand or Australia, " Don't You ever let a chance go by ", which in the seventies had a video to it, about a wise acre who got into a row with a nine or ten foot tall Hell's Angel, on the streets of Newcastle ( I assume the one in New South Wales ), where one says, " Aw, what are ya ? " and the other answers " What are You ?", and just before he is about to get pounded, the man notices a break in the traffic, and takes off. I sing those words everytime I slip onto a busy street. But I cannot recall all the words. Around the same time in New Zealand we had a character named Fred Dagg, played by the now 61 year old John Clarke, a typical Kiwi farmer in black singlet and gumboots, like Wallace Footrot, whose favourite expression to his sheep heading dog was " Get in behind !". He sung one called " If it weren't for your gumboots, where would you be ?", originally written by Billy Connolly, who had married New Zealander Pamela Stephenson. Again I cannot recall the words. There is also Clive Dunn's Granddad. I rung him up the other day, because he was in a POW camp in Austria in World War Two with my great uncle. In addition, I would appreciate the lyrics to the theme to Dad's Army - "Who do you think you are kidding. Mr. Hitler ?", also sung by Clive Dunn. There was also a song from about the seventies about a guy who got a present , which had a big red button on it. He did not know what the thing was, but said it went whizz bang, and other such things. Lily the Pink, by the Irish Rovers. The song that goes " Down on the corner - party in the street " Trpping out by Mikey Havoc. Nature - a Kiwi song, but I cannot recall who sung it. There was also an Australian Vietnam war song from about 1986 which had the words " and Franky kicked a mine the day Mankind kicked the Moon. God help him, he was going home in June. " Lastly, one named " the hanging tree " I think by Kenny Rogers or someone like him.

If you know any of these, please don't hesistate to say. Thank You. The Russian Christopher Lilly 04:54, 11 January 2010 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Christopher1968 (talk • contribs)

One I know from that list is "Lily the Pink" ("We'll drink a drink a drink o' Lily the Pink the Pink the Pink," etc.)[4] Have you tried google? There are tons of lyrics on the internet. Just enter a key phrase from the song and see what it finds. (If you get one that's trying sell you ringtones, go back to google.) The one about the present sounds a bit like "The Marvelous Toy", which "went zip when it moved, bop when it stopped, whirrr when it stood still..." The one about "Down on the Corner, out in the street, Willy and the Poorboys are playin'; bring a nickel; tap your feet", or some such, and it's by John Fogerty and Creedence Clearwater Revival. ←Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots→ 05:03, 11 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Have you tried putting "The Welly Song lyrics" into Google? When Billy Connolly wrote the song it was about wellies, and I suspect "gumboots" are what the Kiwis call wellies. I think the Theme from Dad's Army was sung by Bud Flanagan (or was it Chesney Allen ?), who was still alive when Dad's Army was written - I seem to recall the song was written especially for the show, rather than being from the war. --TammyMoet (talk) 09:40, 11 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

(Remember the Days of the) Old Schoolyard, Cat Stevens

The Newcastle Song (lyrics), Bob Hudson

Gumboots

The Marvelous Toy, Tom Paxton.

Trippin' (Push Push song), Mikey Havoc

I Was Only Nineteen, Redgum

Hanging tree (disambiguation)

Mitch Ames (talk) 10:02, 11 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Excellent - I really appreciate that. I shall have a good look at all of those. I had elyrics, but for some of them, the songs don't come up, since they are not on their particular site, but linked via the singer or band's name. Some of those bands I did not know, so thanks again. And yes, it was Bud Flanagan, with band music at the end by the Coldstream Guards - the same regiment that distinguished itself at Waterloo - if not the very same men. Also Jimmy Perry/Taverner, and Larry Mills. I have now managed to get most of what I had been looking for. Thank you all very much. The Russian Christopher Lilly 12:20, 11 January 2010 (UTC)

It was surprisingly hard to find the lyrics for Who do you think you are kidding Mr Hitler, but feeding the first line into Google turned one up, although it had an extra couple of lines compared with the version that was actually used in Dad's Army. (Posting the link would of course be unethical, since it would be encouraging you to violate copyright). DJ Clayworth (talk) 14:37, 11 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Thank You, I have got most of them now. I trust you will test out that other matter you mentioned to me, which I have tried to rectify. I hope it is right now,.The Russian Christopher Lilly 11:25, 12 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

2009 Emerald Bowl Game Length

I am wanting to know the official start time (EST) and stop time (EST) of the 2009 Emerald Bowl between USC and Boston College. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Sickboyohio (talk • contribs)

You may be interested in the new tool called Google which allows you to search for things on the internet. Entering "emerald bowl" gets you a list; the second link is the official site which gives the start time. DJ Clayworth (talk) 16:33, 11 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Meaning of title The King of Queens

Hello! I'm Tom from Austria. I've got a question:

What does the title of the US sitcom The King of Queens exactly mean?

A) That the main character is a "King" in Queens, or
B) that he comes from Brooklyn (Kings County) and now lives in Queens?

Aren't the people of Brooklyn (which is Kings County) called Kings? That's why I ask. Big thx, Tom --86.33.57.83 (talk) 17:29, 11 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I think "A" is closer to the mark. It's a play on words. It's supposed to be funny too when you think that in the show, he really isn't the king in his house. Carrie (his wife) holds a lot of power, and so does her father. Doug isn't really the king of his castle at all.Aaronite (talk) 18:04, 11 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

There was also a movie about Jesus, called King of Kings. Whether that figured into this play on words or is just a coincidence, I don't know. ←Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots→ 18:31, 11 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Not many people think about Brooklyn being officially "Kings County". It is most likely that he is the "King of Queens" in the sense of a ruler of the borough of Queens. Also ironically titled, since like every sitcom dad since the invention of the television, he's a milquetoast buffoon whose life is really run by people around him, especially his wife. --Jayron32 19:05, 11 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

All of those shows written by men, you'll notice. :) I'm reminded of the late, great, and ever outspoken Alan King, who said the reason women live longer than men is that they're not married to women! What he would have said about the Rosie O'Donnell situation and such, is hard to say. But here he is on youtube, talking to a group at Caesar's Palace in Vegas back in the late 1980s, displaying a bunch of obit's and... well, you'll see.[5] ←Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots→ 22:56, 11 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

It reminds me of King of Kensington, a similar Canadian show from the 70s, but the creators of King of Queens probably didn't have that in mind. (And in that case the character's name was "Larry King" anyway.) Adam Bishop (talk) 00:40, 12 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

meta discussion collapsed

Chat, chat, chat. This is a reference desk, in case you'd forgotten. Malcolm XIV (talk) 00:44, 12 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, and? Woogee (talk) 00:49, 12 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Don't mind Malcolm. He turns up under that ID every two weeks or so, when he forgets what he's doing and accidentally logs in. ←Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots→ 01:32, 12 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Stop with your insinuations. Malcolm XIV (talk) 09:58, 12 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Go back to your IP address and stop hassling others. ←Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots→ 13:33, 12 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Seriously, guys, let's not do this. Zain Ebrahim (talk) 13:44, 12 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

The guy has like 5 edits in the last month (under that ID), mostly to hassle other users. He needs to find something else to do. ←Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots→ 13:52, 12 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

If you are suggesting that I am a sockpuppet, you should be aware that that is a very serious accusation and not something to be taken lightly. Either provide some evidence, or stop your baseless and defamatory remarks immediately. Malcolm XIV (talk) 13:58, 12 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I'm suggesting you only log on as your redlink user ID when you feel like it. I'm NOT suggesting you're a sock. I AM stating (not merely suggesting) that you need to stop hassling other users. ←Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots→ 14:55, 12 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

You only log on as your redlink user ID when you feel like it is a baseless accusation. Malcolm XIV (talk) 15:03, 12 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

You were unheard of for several weeks, and your first edit after that was to hassle other users. And it's not the first time that's happened.[6] So it has a basis. Regardless, you need to shift your focus away from hassling users and toward answering readers' questions. ←Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots→ 15:14, 12 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I've had enough of these insinuations. Asking people to abide by the Ref Desk guidelines – rather than, for example, making chatty posts that say "Here's something I found funny" with a link to a Youtube copyvio – is not harrassment. Since you're such an expert on hassling users ([7]), I suggest you take it to admin or be quiet. Malcolm XIV (talk) 15:53, 12 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

And I've had enough of you hassling people over stuff you personally don't like. Maybe you could actually start contributing some facts, instead of playing self-appointed nanny. ←Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots→ 15:58, 12 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Hello, it's me again, the questioner: Thank you for your answers and the plausible reasons for option A). I dimly remember to have read that the main character moved from Brooklyn (Kings County) to Queens why he's there A King in Queen. But these seems now to be false and maybe I've mixed something up. Furthermore if Brooklyn is not commonly known as "King County" the title King refering to Brookyln would be of no vail.

Although the sitcom is still very popular in the German-speaking area I never watched even a part of an episode. Okay, thx again. Tom --91.128.34.108 (talk) 13:55, 12 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Cars candy-o album is miss labeled

I have a Cars candy-o album that has been miss labeled on one side and I want to know if I have the only one. How many were released, ect. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.37.147.216 (talk) 17:46, 11 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

January 12

Identify the Song

It starts at around the 8:48 mark in the following video. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ObNC4gttfkA&videos=zs5qwWHheIE I couldn't find any info on either the official Arsenal website or the makers of the video: PDi. Thanks in advance. Hasanclk (talk) 06:29, 12 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

It sounds like some generic off-the-shelf music produced for the video to me. --Richardrj ^talk ^email 09:16, 12 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Modern Warfare 2 hacking

i have pc version of Modern Warfare 2 and people are saying lots of people are "hacking" what are they doing exactly? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.246.254.35 (talk) 09:45, 12 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Our article Cheating in online games covers many of the types of cheats frequently referred to as hacking. It should be noted, however, that accusations of "hacking" are often unfounded, and could simply be a result of the accusee (is that a real word?) being more proficient than the accuser. decltype (talk) 10:49, 12 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

"... accusee (is that a real word?) ...". Accused is the word you are looking for. Mitch Ames (talk) 11:02, 12 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Well, I suppose you're right, but I really liked accusee :) Your input is welcome at WP:RD/L decltype (talk) 12:02, 12 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

that article was not helpful what cheats are done in this game. it is widely known that cheating is rampant in that game so its not 1 guys opinion —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.246.254.35 (talk) 12:20, 12 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, I was referring to a situation where a player is accusing another specific player of hacking, without any particular evidence. This video claims to highlight some of the hacks utilized. decltype (talk) 12:28, 12 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

the cheats in that video you have to pay $30 a month for . im pretty sure most players cant afford that. since cheating is very common in that game there must be something else they are doing that is free —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.246.254.35 (talk) 12:50, 12 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

There are "public" hacks as well or people just stealing the paid hacks and redistributing them. I'm not going to link to any since I loath cheating, and searching for them yourself may get your PC infected with Keyloggers and other Malware, but sufice to say they will give similar abilities, such as being able to see through walls, automatically aim for you and similar. No hacks in modern multiplayer games would allow something like infinite health or ammo though as that is defined by the server, and hacks can only affect things that the client can modify and access. Gunrun (talk) 15:22, 12 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

An interesting song

Does anyone know if the background music starting @ about 33:40 of this: http://www.archive.org/details/captain_calamity is taken from an actual piece of music, or if it was just made up for the film? Thanx, 76.117.247.55 (talk) 12:15, 12 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Manama Song

In my favorite Muppet Show skit ever, the song Mah Nà Mah Nà was originally a sexual Swedish pop song. Are there other children song examples that had beginnings that were sexual in nature? --Reticuli88 (talk) 13:59, 12 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

The song itself is not sexual, it's just gibberish, as per the article. ←Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots→ 14:52, 12 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

The movie it originally appeared in was titled Sweden: Heaven and Hell, but it was an Italian film, about Sweden. But yes, it was rated 'X' (now NC-17) in the U.S. (see mondo film). See the IMDb page (especially the plot summary) for more information. —Akrabbim^talk 15:01, 12 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

The movie was sexual. The song was not. ←Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots→ 15:11, 12 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Now that you guys have picked every nit out of the OP's question, do you have any answers for it? Dismas|^(talk) 15:33, 12 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

The problem is that it's a false premise. "Are there other children song examples that had beginnings that were sexual in nature?" This song itself was not sexual in nature. ←Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots→ 15:36, 12 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

It still had "beginnings that were sexual in nature", due to it's original use, despite the fact that it doesn't have lyrical meaning. So the OP's question still stands. But unfortunately, no, I don't know of any other examples of this. —Akrabbim^talk 15:43, 12 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

There might be nursery rhymes that had their origins in scurrilous activity, and are equally un-obvious from the content. For that matter, think of the genuinely scary origins of the mostly-harmless Halloween. A lot of kids' stuff started out as adult stuff. If you've ever read any of the "Grim" Brothers fairy tales in their relatively uncensored form, you know what I mean. Although that's more about scary stuff, not much overtly sexual stuff. ←Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots→ 15:55, 12 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks everyone for the correction. But like Baseball Bugs findings, I could only find "disturbing/scary" backgrounds instead of the sexual.--Reticuli88 (talk) 17:18, 12 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

The Muppets also performed In The Navy. I don't know whether that counts. DJ Clayworth (talk) 18:14, 12 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

There's also all the kids in ballparks every day during the summer who participate in a group-sing of "YMCA". It depends on how far you want to stretch this. You could get into kids singing old rock songs with suggestive lyrics. "Rock and roll" itself is a sexual euphemism. And what about the Python film where they had a bunch of young'uns singing "Every Sperm Is Sacred"? ←Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots→ 18:40, 12 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Some say Goosey Goosey Gander is about prostitution and Jack and Jill about pre-marital sex. In this interview, Lucie Skeaping says Lavender Blue was originally about anal sex. I was told it was about bubonic plague, but Miss Skeaping probably knows what she is talking about and I don't. --TrogWoolley (talk) 19:49, 12 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Georgie Porgie. Woogee (talk) 23:57, 12 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

A big part of the difficulty is figuring out which songs are children's songs. YMCA and In the Navy are certainly about sex (specifically, gay male sex), but are they children's songs? Also, for older folk songs, it's often hard to discern the original meaning, and I think the claims about Goosey Goosey Gander and Jack and Jill are unsupported. However, while Lavender Blue was probably not about anal sex, it most certainly was originally about sex, as this early broadsheet shows. John M Baker (talk) 17:42, 13 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

chords and progression

I'm looking for charts/sheet-music or someone who can tell me the chords and progressions for several Nat Cole Trio songs that just don't seem to be available on the market: "Candy", "I Wanna Turn Out My Light", "What Can I Say, After I Say I'm Sorry". There are others if I get lucky here. No publications exist that I've found. Is there a way to get unpublished charts? I'll pay for copyrighted material.```` —Preceding unsigned comment added by Toocool0622 (talk • contribs) 20:32, 12 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

A moment about a Hellsing scene...

In Hellsing OVA 6, during the illusion where Zorin was a giant, there was a scene where Seras was in a red-green place with Alucard telling her to use her "third eye". That scene got me wondering: was that red-green place an area of her mind, and why was there a heartbeat when she used it to see through Zorin's illusion? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Sirdrink13309622 (talk • contribs) 23:17, 12 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

January 13

John Malkovitch

I haven't seen too many films casting him, but in The Man in the Iron Mask, he seems to be exceedingly meticulous in his pronunciation of words.

Does anyone else notice this, or is it just me? Or is this his "a reedy, faintly orgasmic drawl"?
Is that John, or is that how he 'acts'?
It seems sort of out of place, as Malkovitch not only doesn't have a European accent but overarticulates his words to such a near intolerable extent that it sort of screams "I'm NOT French!" I mean, is this sort of exuberant pronunciation be an intention of the producer/director/etc. or do they just get stuck with it if this is how John reads his lines? DRosenbach ^{(Talk | Contribs)} 04:36, 13 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

He always does that. That's just how he talks normally. Adam Bishop (talk) 04:50, 13 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

OK -- thanx! DRosenbach ^{(Talk | Contribs)} 14:24, 13 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I have seen several John Malkovitch movies, and will second Adam Bishop on this; he pretty much always talks the same way, be it Dangerous Liasons or Being John Malkovitch. The one notable exception is Rounders, where he plays a Russian mobster, and speaks with a Russian accent; though notable with a recognizably Malkovitchian cadance... He's one of those actors like Christopher Walken, who have an idiosyncratic way of speaking that has become part of every character they play. --Jayron32 21:14, 13 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Yep, heard him on NPR before during an interview. He just talks that way. He enunciates very well. Dismas|^(talk) 21:56, 13 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Cameras at AC/DC show

Are fans allowed to take cameras to the shows on the Australian leg of AC/DC's Black Ice World Tour? 114.74.163.109 (talk) 12:19, 13 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Policies on this matter are usually set by the venues, unless the artist has made specific requests. The back of your ticket will usually contain terms and conditions, one of which is normally "no photography, recording, etc". In my experience most large venues usually say this, although how much you might get away with taking the odd photo is a moot point. Some venues insist on searching people's bags on entry, and they might confiscate your camera if they're particularly draconian. If you can get it in, you might get away with taking the odd photo, especially towards the end of the concert. Sometimes security guards wander around the audience looking for people taking photos and tell them to cease and desist. In the age of the camera phone, of course, such actions are pointless. --Richardrj ^talk ^email 12:52, 13 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for the information. I looked at the back of my ticket and it reads "Cameras, audio and video recorders may not be permitted." 114.74.163.109 (talk) 13:30, 13 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

miss labeled album

Can someone refer me to the right people to find out more about a miss labeled album that I have. I purchased the album in the 70s. It is the cars candy-o album that has the doors lable on one side and candy-o on the onther. I am wondering how many were released mess labeled and how many are left or do I have the only one. So far I have been able to find nothing on this subject and it driving me crazy. Any help would be greatly appreciated. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Sinde (talk • contribs) 23:11, 13 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I noticed your question higher up on this board, and while I can give you no satisfactory answer, I would suggest you give us more information - you could let us know just how it is the album is miss-labeled. The article on the album says nothing about a miss-labeled series, so you could have a collectible on your hands, but as I said, give us more information and someone more knowledgeable than me might show up and tell you more. TomorrowTime (talk) 23:38, 13 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I had spent a few minutes trying to google some information about whether there was a collector's market for misprinted record albums, in the same way there is a sizable market for coin errors, but I came up with no information. Comet Tuttle (talk) 00:19, 14 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

In short... If it is not known that an album was mislabelled, collectors will not want to collect it. If collectors do not want to collect it, it will not have any substantial value. Because there is an extreme lack of information online about mislabelled versions of that album, it is very likely that practically nobody has interest in it. It is far more likely that it isn't a "mislabelled" album at all. It is just a bad counterfeit. When I was in Turkey, I found many bad counterfeit albums such as Motleu Cruu, Lead Zeppellin, and The Beetles. They have absolutely no collector value. -- kainaw ™ 00:59, 14 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Not sure I agree with that. Just because no-one has yet identified any other copies of this mislabel doesn't mean it has no value. On the contrary, it would probably imply that there are very few copies floating around, which would make it even more collectable. Record collectors are a quixotic bunch of people and I wouldn't mind betting there is a Cars fan out there somewhere in the world who would be very interested indeed in a copy of the album that has the wrong label on one side. Also, when you talk about counterfeit albums, are you talking about LPs or CDs? In my experience there are plenty of counterfeit (pirated) CDs out there but very few LPs. In the pre-CD era pirates would have taken the form of cassettes rather than LPs. An LP that has just been incorrectly labelled at the pressing plant is very unlikely to be a counterfeit. --Richardrj ^talk ^email 08:41, 14 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

January 14

Really difficult song ID request?

I think this might be a difficult request because I don't remember a lot of details, but there is a song that was used in a commercial (Kodak? I could be totally wrong on that) (in the U.S.) many years ago. The lyrics were French, and numbers were a big part of the song, as in: Un, [more French], Deux, [more French], etc. Bonus points for getting the commercial too! TresÁrboles (talk) 03:54, 14 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

This doesn't match the description, but this was a pretty famous Kodak ad:[8] ←Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots→ 04:22, 14 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Was he, or wasn't he ?

Whilst watching a History Channel documentary on Walt Disney, I saw there were allegations, that as well as being an autocratic boss ( not necessarily unreasonable), he was also an anti Semite. This was touched on by one of those aside scenes in Family Guy, showing him coming out of cryogenic suspension ( an urban legend I had heard myself years before, but know is false ), and asking if the Jews are gone yet. I would shudder to think that such an influential and well beloved man —Preceding unsigned comment added by Christopher1968 (talk • contribs) 11:30, 14 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Anyone know these songs

Hi

I'm trying to find two songs which I've heard on someone's cellphone, but I can't seem to find it. I've tried googling both songs by using some of the lyrics that I could pick up, but it comes up with other songs.The first one is a sung by a male and female and here's some of the lyrics that I could pick up from the first line: Female "Oh no special reason, why we can't get along you say you love me still I'm hungry... There's a million sad songs... ,but I realize that I have had it coming. [Chorus] It's breaking up my heart and it's telling me to go. If being faithfull is wrong..." Male "... If I said that you were wrong I'd be pretending......... In my heart I know I've given you the reason... There's a million sad songs that I can... ,but I realize that I have had it coming." [Chorus]. I hope it helps fi there's anyone out there who's willing to give ths a try.

The second song is sung by a male and some of the lyrics goes like this: "I wish I could take back the things that I said/ We both said some things that we regret/ I never meant to hurt your heart, I can't believe we fell apart/ I know; I know (girl you're the one for me)/ I know you are (girl you're the one for me/ I know you know (girl you're the one for me/ Oh no don't go (girl you're the one for me/ I can spend my life searching for the world/ I would neer find someone like you girl/ So please understand that I wanna be you man, I'm sorry"

Note: I stand corrected if the lyrics might be a bit incorrect.

Thanks, NirocFX 41.193.16.234 (talk) 11:30, 14 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]