Talk:Dream
"Critics ... this hypothesis cannot ... this method to be successful."
Do you mean this hypothesis = this method ?
Forgetting
Currently the article suggests that remembering and forgetting dreams is a binary condition, that you either remember a dream or you don't. There are times when I remember snatches of a dream, and there are times where I remember dreams pretty well when I first wake up, but it gets less remembered as the day goes by.
Daydreaming
We need some information about the relationship between dreaming and daydreaming. The latter isn't anlkjmLm.ml kojofig' djxmvkdj fh :Ih kind of former, as the article used to imply. --Larry Sanger
The link between daydreaming and dreaming could be meditation. With practice, you can simply close your eyes (just one technique used to block external stimuli)and focus on a thought long enough to conceive it as reality. During a "dream" these thoughts (or images)are more vivid because you in the sleep state, completely void of external stimuli. -b.young
I am very surprised that so little is written about this topic! Dreaming and dream states are broad and actively researched fields, and also one of my favorite topics of interest. I guess there aren't many psychologists and neuro-scientists frequenting Wikipedia.. -- Rotem Dan 12:33 12 Jun 2003
even today, little is known about the human brain and how it relates to dreaming. -b.young
Really, why is this article so short? There are some FAQs on the net, maybe their authors wouldn't mind if that material were used for Wikipedia? Perhaps this page is also not linked to enough to draw attention to the fact that it is so lacking. Is there a way to request a page to be developed?
What about dreaming in relation to the brain? Doesn't it affect the brain by sorting the thoughts (data)? I don't know for sure, thus I'd like to know. --Thilo Ettelt
Some beleive that dreams are images of your brain's interpretation of different emotions. emotions can actually be triggered by sub-conscious thoughts or ideas--which would explain why we understand some dreams and not others. So, dreams may be a link into the sub-conscious mind. -b.young
- I'm afraid there isn't any scientific consensus. Some researchers believe dreams are random firings of neurons, signifying nothing. Others believe it is a distorted form of memory, or the actions of usually unconscious mental processes, etc. Nobody knows for sure. Quadell (talk) 15:49, Jun 14, 2004 (UTC)
Mammals dreaming
The article states as fact that non-human animals dream. Animals certianly go through REM sleep, and many animals have been known to "whimper" or "twitch" during REM sleep, but I don't think animals actually "dream" (i.e. see themselves in a situation that they interpret as reality.) I would like to see a source that animals dream. If there isn't a source, it should be changed to something like "some researchers believe. . ." Quadell (talk) 14:58, Jun 25, 2004 (UTC)
That animals dream could never be proven as a fact.I believe animals definately dream, some species more than others.In dogs i have seen the most visible dreaming taking place. I have seen my own dogs bark, run, whimper and wagg their tail in their sleep. They are definately in a real life situation, which takes place in their life daily or they enjoy doing, for example chasing a cat. This could never scientifically be proven as a fact, because animals are unable to communicate like people. Humans can be questioned about their dreams, animals can't. The subject of deams is a very unknown area of science, nobody even really knows the reasons or understands why people dream what they do, never mind understanding animal dreams. Rebecca Miller, Edinburgh, 11/05/05
Why is this page called dreaming instead of dream?
The latter title is simpler, and if you click on "what links here", you find that a lot more pages link directly to dream than to dreaming. Also, one can link to dream from other articles by typing [[dream]]ing, whereas it's more complicated to type [[dreaming | dream]]. I propose moving this page. Michael Hardy 14:37, 1 Sep 2004 (UTC)
At the bottom of the page: "The Dreaming or Dreamtime is an Australian Aboriginal creation myth." I'm sure the Australian Aboriginals would not like their spiritual belief written off as a myth anymore than a Christian or Muslim would.
- I don't mind personally, but then, I'm not an aboriginal. Changed to creation belief. --JRM 14:21, 2004 Sep 29 (UTC)
expand this huge topic!
now! :> Lockeownzj00 10:37, 22 Sep 2004 (UTC)
expand it? The admins are reducing it
They reduced it when they eliminated Wyatt Ehrenfels's Experiographic model and research with cancer patients. Perhaps not enough is known with any scientific certainty about dreams, but it seems to me that we need to be more tolerant of original research in cases of phenomena like this, as long as it is scientific.
Reality of Dreams
Fails to mention minoritarian beliefs that dreams are real but waking life is not and delicate gradation of beliefs between this view and the usual. But how should this be approached? --Daniel C. Boyer 15:02, 29 Sep 2004 (UTC)
- Maybe in the Psychology of Dreams section? At the bottom. <sarcasm>(In small type, preferably.)</sarcasm> – Quadell (talk) (help)[[]] 18:12, Sep 30, 2004 (UTC)
Dazed and confused
The intro is good (if far too long for an intro) but the rest of this article is still spotty and highly dubious in places. "Minority views" just has "An extreme minority of individuals and cultures believe dreams to be real and waking life not to be, and there is some gradation of views between this and the common position." This statement is nearly vacuous, especially the last part, and does not back itself up in any way. And what's "Dreams and maya" all about?
I'm just going to slap a factual accuracy tag on it until we've fixed all this, sorry. The factual content is good, if still far too thin, but some of the more spacey elements need to go or be reworded. JRM 15:11, 2004 Dec 21 (UTC)
I Robert.halberg feel the same about this article's structure.
I've removed the sections I considered to be either incomprehensible or useless; the information is, of course, still available in the edit history.[1] If someone can salvage something from it, be my guest. JRM 22:28, 2005 Jan 1 (UTC)
My thoughts/history on dreaming
Lucid Dreaming
I've for some time been a Lucid dreamer. I'm glad I understand the term better now, because I thought it had a lot more to do with the dream being so far from surreal, that it was hard to shake off.
I must say, if you've never experienced this, you'll want to, and often. And since pain is only imaginary, nothing you can conjure up will hurt you. You'll only think it does. At that point, know your in control, and don't second guess that it'll be any different. Change the landscape, and make it something you want to dream, instead of what ever just happens.
As for what I call "arise on demand", I can wake up from a lucid dream by yawning. It's worked all but maybe once or twice.
- it *is* a nice little trick. I've gotten pretty good at fighting off nightmares myself, which is generally the only type of dream I can manage it, but not always. Sometimes I try to fight off the scariness, sometimes I realize it's a nightmare and just wake myself up(as I only seem to have them when I need to wake up and head for the restroom), and sometimes I do both in turn. Maybe related, but other times, I seem to recall having that dream *before*, and so know exactly what's going to happen, and run around like I'm psychic. Oddly, a lot of the times when that happens, once I wake up, I can't really recall having had that dream before, or again after. However, as I almost never remember my dreams(except the nightmares!), it's kinda hard to tell. -Graptor
Multi-level dreaming
And as for something else I don't understand, multi level dreaming (a dream within a dream). On a few occasions I've needed to be up for school, or simply slept through my alarm clock, but my dreams are affected by my real enviornment. One of the funniest ones was when I woke up (but was still dreaming), and mom was calling me to get ready for school, because I was late. (this was years ago) - none the less I started getting ready - then to my confusion, I was being called again, but didn't realise what was going on until moments later. Then I woke up for real.
Another time I had slept for 30 minutes past my alarm, but all throughout my dream I was searching for what I had to guess was a bomb. I don't recall how I finally woke up from that obnoxious state, but I was quite annoyed for the next few hours.
I'm sure there's more, but I think more discusson on this topic will help brainstorm decide what can be improved for the article.
Dreaming and Phantom limbs
theory--every experience like every body part is mapped into the brain. consciousness is directly related to some sort of activation of the map. When a person loses a limb, the mapping is not lost. After a certain age plasticity of the brain lessens and does not update the mappings...required for memory retension in some cases. when stray activations of the map occur where no limb exists any longer, a phantom is felt even though other sensory systems cannot confirm its existance the activation is hard to deny. when the entire sensory array is turned effectively off in cases such as sleep and sensory deprivation experiments...activations of the world map and body map cause a phantom world or dream to occur. There seems to be a system in the brain which takes the sum of the activations at any given moment and weaves a world view into existance...the perceived world. this same mechanism, when fed activations of the map during sleep cycle uses it to manufacture the dream world too. It has been experimentally verified that the brain fills in missing data such as the blind spot found in the upper extremeties of the eye field of vision. the missing data is extrapilated from the surrounding data. during dream cycle, very energetic activations of the map leave a lot of blank spots which are similarily filled in and form the basis for the dream senario. waking activations are causes primarily by sensory data... sleeping activations are often caused by emotional hot spots in the mapping mixed with muted sensory data and because of this they also move in a cascading of associations rather than strictly by cause and effect. The odd qualities of dreams seem perfectly normal while you are dreaming because the cascading is by natural associated ideas. - jiohdi@gmail.com www.geocities.com/jiohdi
Makes alot of sense... there's alot of proof to this theory. for example, 1)people who have lost an extremity as the result of an accident report 'sensation' in the area where the hand or foot used to be. as he explained, the map still exsist in the brain. 2)experiment with an optical illusion website or book and you'll experience the brain filling in the missing(or unknown)data. 3)those that experience sensory deprivation report experiences of hallucination 4)during a dream, your brain may incorporate actual sounds(alarm clock etc) into the dream. 5)people or objects may change during the dream..or you may notice "un-finished" parts like a person's face appears blurred or even blank. 6)emotions usually determine the outcome of a dream, which explains how you may control your dream (lucid dreaming)by controlling your emotions. for example, in the dream, if you beleive an object isn't REAL then the object may "fade" or disappear. a more extreme example would be, when your dream suddenly changes sceniaros altogether. --b.young
WILD and DILD
What the heck does it mean to say that "these terms have mostly fallen into disuse (or likely they never really came into use)"? It's either one or the other, and it's quite ridiculous to see such a sentence in an encyclopedia, and also it easily gives the impression that the terms were invented in the encyclopedia. I don't have the knowledge to make a good edit, but this should certainly be corrected soon. LjL 15:55, 13 July 2005 (UTC)
Freud/Psychodynamic interpretation of dreams
Critics would point out that this hypothesis cannot explain nightmares, though many case studies, such as the Rat Man, show this method to be successful.
Many of the examples from "The Interpreation of Dreams" are themselves nightmares, and Freud gives several examples of "latent" wishes that are repulsive to the dreamer in waking life (and so, he says, portrayed with terror or horror). Can anyone provide a source for this criticism? --Mgreenbe 01:40, 9 December 2005 (UTC)
- Which meaning do you mean of the two nightmare has? Jclerman 01:45, 9 December 2005 (UTC)