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Evidence presented by Durova

No one doubts that MZMcBride is a skilled coder and an active volunteer. The problems that caused this case are with his his judgment and communication.

Past arbitrations

This is the third case in less than a year and a half where MZMcBride's actions have been arbitrated for similar reasons.

In the Sarah Palin protection wheel war arbitration the Committee concluded that MZMcBride had acted against consensus, had not communicated adequately, and had set his judgment ahead of the community's. It also concluded that his wheel warring had violated the provisions of a prior arbitration case. The Committee admonished him and warned that he would probably lose his admin bit if further incidents of that type occurred. The case closed in October 2008.

In the MZMcBride arbitration that followed the Committee determined that MZMcBride had taken controversial action without appopriate communication. His deletions occurred without warning and used summaries such as "o hai, i haz found ur sekrit page! please contribute to the encyclopedia more and search for hidden pages less"[1] He continued the deletions until after an arbitration request was filed, then resumed deletions during arbitration. The arbitrators passed two separate injunctions to halt the controversial deletions; the second injunction occurred after he violated the first one. Two days before the case ended he resigned his administrator ops. The case closed in April 2009.

Similar problems again

By early January 2010 MZMcBride had used his toolserver access to compile a list of unwatched biographies of living persons. On 8 January the following conversation took place between MZMcBride and a sitebanned editor.[2]

Banned user: Mr. McBride, you know... this really and truly calls for a breaching experiment. Please, I beg of you, provide me privately with a random selection of just 10 of these 8,062 time bombs.


MZMcBride: I just sent [name redacted] this list privately. I'm inclined to also post a list here. This site seems to be the easiest way to get biographies looked at and checked.... Feel free to post your results publicly, [name redacted].

Actually MZMcBride provided that banned editor with double the requested number of of unwatched biographies and then failed to monitor the banned user's experiment.[3] He did not provide that list of BLPs to the arbitrators until ten days later, shortly before this arbitration opened. On 9 January Roger Davies asked MZMcBride whether he had followed through on the promise in that offsite discussion.[4] MZMcBride's answers were uncooperative.[5]

Patterns that emerge from the discussion at his user talk and RFAR:

  • Attempts to steer questions about the breaching experiment toward changes MZMcBride would like to implement in how Wikipedia handles biographies of living persons.[6][7][8][9]
  • Attempts to sidestep responsibility for the unwatched BLP experiment.[10][11][12][13]
  • Attempts to impugn the motives and conduct of people who persist in doubting his actions.[14][15][16][17][18]
  • He calls transparency a core value when he requests information,[19] but invokes very different ideas when other people request information from him.[20]

Breaching experiments are not allowed on this website. If MZMcBride were determined to attempt one he could done it himself. MZMcBride magnified the problem by involving a banned user to experiment with nonpublic data, failing to monitor the banned user, and then delaying a week before complying with arbitrator requests for that data.

When MZMcBride first announced his intention to go about things this way he called it "the easiest way to get biographies looked at and checked". Afterward he behaved as if he could leverage the attention as a bargaining chip. He has expressed no regrets toward the twenty living people who did not consent to let an administrator entrust their biographies to the care of a sitebanned editor, nor for the arbitrators and other editors who watchlisted 8000 biographies and undid subtle vandalism from the experiment, nor for the person whose administrator account that same sitebanned user had compromised.

Once again MZMcBride has cut policy corners in order to have things his way. This time it involves gross misjudgment in one of our site's most sensitive areas. In order to prevent more problems I request that the arbitrators curtail his ability to seek administrator ops again.

Evidence presented by Nagle

There was subtle vandalism going on within the biography articles listed by McBride.

  • Ron Hunt (footballer) - see this edit. The edit inserts the claim that Ron Hunt, a football (soccer) player from London, later became an officer of New Leaf Venture Partners. There's a vague citation which mentions a Ron Hunt. Checking the New Leaf Venture Partners web site for their officer bios [21], we find that their Ron Hunt has an MBA from Wharton and came from Coopers and Lybrand (accountants) and the venture capital arm of Credit Suisse. Said edit was later reverted by the original editor, Orderly Conductor (talk · contribs), an account currently blocked as a sock of Thekohser (talk · contribs).
  • Petter Schjerven - see this edit. This is by "Orderly Conductor" again, and adds a reference in Norwegian. Someone who reads Norwegian will have to validate that one. Said edit was reverted by "Orderly Conductor" after 2 days.
  • András Fejér - see this edit by banned sock Byzantium Loved Prague (talk · contribs). Here, the same editor seems to have inserted a valid piece of information, adding "Notably, he studied Bartok’s music with the violinist Zoltan Szekely", which is confirmed by this New York Times reference. [23] Unless there are two notable Hungarian violinists named András Fejér, it's a good cite. But the reference is mislinked; instead of having a link to the article, it just has a Wikilink to the New York Times. It's been removed from the article, then the remove reverted, by well-established editors who are clearly working to check the validity of the item.
Remaining to be checked: Omid_Khouraj, Surapong_Kongthep, Tanakorn_Santanaprasit, Lydia_R._Diamond, Omar_Pene, D._W._Rutledge, Jasmin_Stavros, Piotr_Libera, Connor_Byrne, Tony_Bellus, Ced_Gee, Daniel_McConnell, Sylviane_Agacinski, Jaime_Zea.

I have no idea whether McBride was involved in this, encouraged it, or what, but someone now has to dig through every article in McBride's list, and every article edited by related editors, for subtle vandalism. Most of the damage from this exercise in vandalism seems to have been cleaned up, but it's eaten the time of at least half a dozen good editors to do it. --John Nagle (talk) 06:38, 20 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Evidence presented by Arcayne

Outing of editor via block and IRC

It came to my attention earlier in the year that MzMcbride ran a Wikistalker report on a non-problematic user (the identity of whom is known to ArbCom). This report was shared with several other IRC users, including at least two other administrators. Any hope that the here-unnamed editor might have had at privacy was extinguished by this action. I believe that this IRC outing action was perpetrated to seek support for an exceptionally bad block by MZMcbride and MBisanz (the latter being one of the admins shown the Wikistalker report in IRC).

This demonstrates a phenomenal lack of good judgment. A bad block can occur with anyone, but compounding it by further outing the user via open IRC channels is a blatant disregard of our privacy policies. This, coupled with the primary reasons for MZMcbride's repeated visits to ArbCom, suggest that the rules are but mere suggestions to the admin. Whether or not the tools were used in this effort (and they were, in a roundabout way, as certain IRC channels are only accessible to wiki admins) are secondary as to the trust that was violated and the profoundly (and arrogant) bad judgment employed by MZMcbride. Similarly, ArbCom has spoken against similar actions by Ryulong and Moreschi in 2009. - Arcayne (cast a spell) 07:44, 20 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Evidence presented by Sjakkalle

Responding to User:Nagle, as a Norwegian speaker I have looked at the diff of User:Orderly Conductor's edit on the Petter Schjerven article. The link is "Typisk norsk" fikk journalistpris, from Aftenposten, one of the most highly respected of the Norwegian newspapers and clearly qualifies as a WP:RS here. Superficially, much of the edit is correct; the article does indeed verify that Schjerven's program Typisk norsk (translates to "Typical Norwegian") won a 100000 kroner journalism prize.

However, the sentence: "...the editorial staff works together in an incredibly funny way to create an adventure around the Norwegian language." is a rather original rephrasing to say the least. Schjerven's quote in the Aftenposten article is:

  • "Jeg synes også det er fint at prisen gikk til hele redaksjonen, vi har jobbet sammen og hatt det utrolig morsomt. Det hele har vært et eventyr."

A proper translation would be:

  • "I also think it's great that the prize went to the entire editorial staff, we have worked to gether and had a lot of fun. The whole thing has been an adventure".

Translating this to "works together in an incredibly funny way", makes Schjerven's work look silly or ridiculous, when the program is really a perfectly sincere entertainment show. Such an edit on a BLP is not proper. Sjakkalle (Check!) 07:57, 20 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]


Evidence presented by Hipocrite

"Administrators are expected to respond promptly and civilly to queries about their Wikipedia-related conduct and administrator actions and to justify them when needed." (WP:ADMIN) I questioned MZMcBride about what steps he had taken to ensure that data he was providing to banned users was not being used for nefarious purposes. After one clear reply ("I don't believe Mr. Kohs would actively harm biographies of living people."[25], which was evidently incorrect) He was evasive about how certain he was that he was right about Mr. Kohs and cagey about what he was and was not taking responsibility for [26], and eventually stated that he was dishonest [27].

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