Talk:Yayoi period

About revising this article

I have revised this article to provide a neutral point of view.Please remember this article belongs to "History of Japan",and I believe a fair point of view is to respect how Japan has autonomously developed itself.This article is not for other ethnic groups to exaggerate,boast influence on Japan.Nobu Sho 11:03, 1 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Fairness does not require bowing to nationalism. Factual accuracy is more important than avoiding the implication that the Japanese are related to the Koreans. The Jomon and Yayoi peoples are genetically distinct (i.e. one group did not spring fresh from the other), and most evidence points to a migration from Korea into Japan. --71.56.32.77 10:39, 2 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

You both are talking about the part deleted by Nobu Sho on Dec. 29 last year? I have something to feel like talking to you both...

Nobu Sho, if you say somebody exaggerated or boasted something, you should have clarified what they were... and you should put a blank after a comma and a period.

And Mr./Ms. 71.56.32.77, to use words like "nationalism" abruptly can sometimes offend somebody.

But it's also true that I have felt some unnaturalness when the matters on Korea and Japan are discussed on Wikipedia. Nobody can deny Yayoi time Japan had some relationship with Korea, but Korea was not an only region that had something to do with Japan then. During Yayoi period in Japan, Korea was much less populated than Chunqiu and Zhanguo period China, and it's no wonder Japan had much more immigrants from China through Korea, as some archaeological sites suggest. (BTW, how much population did Korean peninsula have during Japan's Yayoi period? Korea has and had colder climate than Japan, so was Korea more suitable to inhabit in than Japan?) Mentioning on China and Polynesia (which are likely to be origines of Japan's rice farming) will not make people look down on Korea. We can calm down a bit more. -222.4.16.15 11:40, 5 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you for your suggestion, 222.4.16.15. What made me frustrated about the fomer article is that it would only emphasize one particular "Immigrants from the Korean peninsula" theory. In addition it includes Korean Kingdoms such as Goguryeo or Baekje which never existed at that time. Ignoring other theories could not make a fair article, therefore I have decided to introduce some others. Maybe I could have talked like this from the beginning. I've forgot to login in when I revised this article again. Nobu Sho 23:39, 5 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Korean "nationalists" get a kick out of boasting that Japanese this and Japanese that originated in Korea partly because of their agonizing experience of subservience to Japan in the early 20th century. For example:

Alexander Bennett, ph. D, KOREA: The Black Ships of Kendo: "Recently, a new phenomenon has started to become apparent. One of the most significant contributors to the popularization of budo in recent years is not only the Japanese, but also the Koreans. There has been a noticeable trend in the appearance of dojang around the world rather than dojo. Dojang is the Korean word for dojo, and where the Japanese left off, the Koreans are taking positive strides to pick up on the basis of most of the reasons I have outlined above....　This interesting phenomenon of the gradual Koreanisation of budo overseas is perceived by the Koreans as the internationalization of their own Korean martial arts heritage. The Koreans are aggressive in their dissemination, sometimes nationalistic, and often very commercial in their approach, providing attractive packages for their students and instructors alike, not to mention propositions of business partnerships with already existing dojo.... What effect could this possibly have on Japanese budo? In this paper I will consider the case example of kendo.... As colonies of Japan, the Taiwanese and Korean populace were also 'encouraged' to participate in these activities. Koreans took to budo with unexpected enthusiasm, and even when the war ended and the Republic of Korea was established, they maintained a commitment to kendo that persists to this day, evident in the comparatively high level and large population of enthusiasts. However, in many ways the old wounds of the occupation have still not healed, and in a nationwide revisionist stance, Koreans for the most part refuse to entertain the notion that the sport's origins lie in Japan, and instead call it 'kumdo', insisting that it originated in Korea. For example, to demonstrate this [color=red]revisionist[/color] mentality, I have quoted the historical information placed on the official homepage of the Korea Kumdo Association."

That so many Korean posters take almost obsessive interests in the topic of ancient Japanese history on Wikipedia and other internet discussion forums is not without a reason. It should also be remembered that the nation that we know today as "Korea" did not exist back in the ancient days, and that anyone writing a statement like "such and such came from Korea" is politicizing historical facts (knowingly or not). For whatever came from the Korean peninsula is just that, it came from the Korean peninsula, period; it doesn't necessarily follow that it came from "Korea" because chances are that the ancient kingdoms that existed on the peninsula thousands of years ago were not all of ethnics that are direct ancestors of modernday "Koreans." Being attached to the Eurasia continent the population drift has been much more active on the peninsula. Goguryeo, for one, is considered to be most likely a kingdom of the Buyeo, who were related to today's Manchurians. --207.232.153.30 00:31, 6 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]