Talk:Triple J Hottest 100, 2009

Regina Spektor

Uhr...she's from the US, not Russia! She's been living in the USA for ages, so 97 should be USA alone, not US/Russia. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 121.50.221.32 (talk) 01:25, 26 January 2010 (UTC)

Yes, but she was born in Russia, and lived there till she was Nine. Changing your country doesn't Change your country of origin. Churba (talk) 01:27, 26 January 2010 (UTC)

Thats like saying nicole kidman is english/australian. just because she was born there doesnt mean she is from the UK! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 121.50.221.32 (talk) 01:35, 26 January 2010 (UTC)

First of all, she was born in America, not England, Second, her Parents are Australian, third, she was only there for 4 years or so. Regina Spektor was born in Russia, to Russian parents, and lived there for 9 years, and to the best of my knowlege identifies herself as a Russian-American. Churba (talk) 01:45, 26 January 2010 (UTC)

Why don't we go with what wikipedia says "Regina Ilyinichna Spektor (Cyrillic: Регина Ильинична Спектор; born February 18, 1980) is a Soviet-born American singer-songwriter and pianist." So yeah, soviet born, but currently american. If this page says russian/american it's inconsistent with the rest of wiki. your risk though. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 121.50.221.32 (talk) 01:53, 26 January 2010 (UTC)

You're right, let's go with what the wiki says -

"The seriousness of her piano studies led her parents to consider not leaving the USSR, but they finally decided to emigrate, due to the ethnic and political discrimination which Jews faced.[3] Spektor is completely fluent in Russian and reads Hebrew, and has since paid tribute to her Russian heritage, quoting the poem February by the famous Russian poet Boris Pasternak in her song Après Moi, and stating “I’m very connected to the language and the culture.”" Big Risk, right there. Are we done here? Churba (talk) 02:02, 26 January 2010 (UTC)

She speaks the language...big deal? I speak more than one language and have lived in other conuntries. I'm still australian. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 131.244.3.45 (talk) 02:17, 26 January 2010 (UTC)

You'd also note that is says her "russian heritage". Heritage means "the past", not the nationality she currently is! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 131.244.3.45 (talk) 02:22, 26 January 2010 (UTC)

Oh for christ's sake. You want to take issue, Make the damn edit, and stop whining like a child. I'm not going to argue with you any more, because You're never going to go "Hey, you're right!" No matter if I got Ms Spektor herself to tell you "I'm Russian American, and proudly identify as such", and I'm wasting my time arguing. Not to mention You don't seem to understand that being born in a country means you're from there - Lovely, You speak more than one language, welcome to the club, here's your membership card that gets you a discount at Hog's breath, and you've lived in other countries, allow me to congratulate you from small country home just outside of Leeds, west yorkshire - but you can't learn to be born somewhere, and you can't change where you were born just by moving where you are in the present. This is the last I will engage with you, other than that I suggest you lodge all further complaints either with the management, or preferably, in your fundamental orifice. Churba (talk) 02:37, 26 January 2010 (UTC)

If you'd seen the IP addresses, you'd notice it was two people. But in any event, I rate your comment. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 131.244.3.45 (talk) 02:41, 26 January 2010 (UTC)

Not that it matters much anymore, but I think you're right to include her Russian heritage. Think of the Waifs- great Australian folk band who at various times have lived in counties such as the UK and I think? are actually living in the US at the moment. I would like to think that no matter how many years they lived overseas, I could still refer to them as Australian. I would also like to think that if i moved overseas, people would not forget my heritage. Hope the issue gets resolved :) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Carrie a bag (talk • contribs) 04:15, 26 January 2010 (UTC)

Not to mention people like Richard Murdock, Rose Byrne, Germaine greer, Sam worthington, Olivia Newton-John, etc Churba (talk) 04:28, 26 January 2010 (UTC)

You could always do the dirty and just change it back...lol... now that the page is protected. p.s. Sam Worthington = awesome! (completely off topic but if someone else tried to claim him, there would be blood). —Preceding unsigned comment added by Carrie a bag (talk • contribs) 04:31, 26 January 2010 (UTC)

Heh - Yeah, that was pretty much the plan. After all, It's the encyclopedia that anyone can edit, so I figure anyone can edit it back, too. Churba (talk) 04:36, 26 January 2010 (UTC)

Are the BeeGees australian? 121.50.221.32 (talk) 05:30, 26 January 2010 (UTC)

I'm pretty sure they were born in the UK, formed in the UK but moved to Australia before their success so technically UK but if we're going to be consistent, i would hazard UK/Australia. --Carrie a bag (talk) 06:01, 26 January 2010 (UTC)

Well that's exactly my point; where someone is born doesn't affect where they're 'from'. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 121.50.221.32 (talk) 06:33, 26 January 2010 (UTC)

You clearly missed my 'point' then. I would allow them the same courtesy by including both UK & Australia, as I would have for Regina. --Carrie a bag (talk) 06:58, 26 January 2010 (UTC)

And further, the column isn't titled "From" or "Where From" it is titled "Country of Origin." I was always under the impression that term 'origin' implied the point of beginning- Regina began in Russia and to allow for her current location, as previously stated, I would have respectfully placed both.--Carrie a bag (talk) 07:08, 26 January 2010 (UTC)

Support just USA mention: While Regina Spektor was born in Russia and lived there until she was 9, that is not enough to allow the Russia mention. She was in America when she developed the bulk of her musical skills, the songs were recorded in America, the backing music was presumably done by Americans, and the record companies are America. The only non-American resource, without getting technical, put into the songs was herself. That is simply not enough. You don't see Lisa Mitchell's country of origin saying UK/Australia. The Hottest 100 is not so much about the artist but the songs. You might argue that Regina Spektor is a Russian American but the album and songs are American. Depor23 (talk) 10:05, 26 January 2010 (UTC)

I'm sorry but it is simply oxymoronic to put USA as Regina's 'Country of Origin' when clearly that is NOT where she originated from. If your point of contention is that the 'bulk of her musical talent' and music was developed in the US, then the heading for that column should be changed to reflect what people seem to think is important, the place where the 'bulk of their talent' has been developed. In that case, we may as well change many of the Australian artists that record/live overseas. And if Lisa Mitchell is originally from the UK, then that should be changed to reflect that also. --Carrie a bag (talk) 10:39, 26 January 2010 (UTC)

See above commentary as to what you should do with this information, and where to lodge your complaint. Churba (talk) 13:20, 26 January 2010 (UTC)

Ready to go

I've now removed the original redirects that existed to Triple J Hottest 100 of All Time, 2009, and have now set up the page ready for this year's Hottest 100 (using my own template, based on the 2008 Hottest 100 page). --JB Adder | Talk 07:04, 24 January 2010 (UTC)

Hello Again

Are we ready for this year's flood of vandalism and idiocy? Churba (talk) 01:12, 26 January 2010 (UTC)

I've decided I'm gonna sit back, relax and watch the vandalism this year, it's too hard to help clean up when I'm drinking a few beers! :-P -- Sarz (talk) 01:18, 26 January 2010 (UTC)

I've got it handled for now - I'm a UK based Expat, so It's not like I'm partying much, and drinking alone feels a bit sad-sack. Munching on Lamb chops, though. Churba (talk) 01:23, 26 January 2010 (UTC)

A request for semi-protection has been made. Hopefully it'll pull through again before the end of the countdown. --JB Adder | Talk 01:28, 26 January 2010 (UTC)

Thanks JB, you're a legend. Churba (talk) 01:31, 26 January 2010 (UTC)

Don't thank me yet; we still have to get it approved first. --JB Adder | Talk 01:37, 26 January 2010 (UTC)

Lol @ someone adding vampire weekend to #1. I'd fix it, but someone else probably has already. --220.253.28.185 (talk) 02:32, 26 January 2010 (UTC)

I'm mostly keeping an eye out for stuff like that, I'm on a delay with distance and internet streaming, so I'd never get in on time as to who comes at any particular spot, unless I made a lucky guess. Churba (talk) 02:44, 26 January 2010 (UTC)

Triple J's Twitter is keeping up-to-date with the countdown, so it's easy to check the accuracy of entries. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 210.23.142.34 (talk) 02:55, 26 January 2010 (UTC)

True, But I'm still behind enough that I won't get there first, but I have been checking accuracy. Churba (talk) 02:58, 26 January 2010 (UTC)

Anything from DaveDemon can be undone on sight, he's just a vandal, after a quick review of his edit history. Churba (talk) 03:15, 26 January 2010 (UTC)

How is that Semi-Protect coming? Churba (talk) 03:31, 26 January 2010 (UTC)

Getting pushed further down the list, unfortunately. Once they clear the fulfilled requests, they might get around to actually looking at ours. --JB Adder | Talk 03:35, 26 January 2010 (UTC)

And we have protection. --JB Adder | Talk 03:52, 26 January 2010 (UTC)

Semiprotected now. No more Vandalism. :-) 67.183.16.32 (talk) 03:52, 26 January 2010 (UTC)

Well, Less, anyway :P Churba (talk) 03:53, 26 January 2010 (UTC)

Yeah, we still need to be on the lookout for DaveDemon's "contributions". --JB Adder | Talk 03:56, 26 January 2010 (UTC)

At least it came in somewhat more timely this year - Last year we only got a semi-protect when we were down to about 10-15 or so. Churba (talk) 03:57, 26 January 2010 (UTC)

True. Mind you, last year, we were getting sick of the incessant vandalism around that time (as it pulled us from our work). This time, we came more prepared. --JB Adder | Talk 04:00, 26 January 2010 (UTC)

True that. Would be nice if we could request ahead of time, but they never will, since the page doesn't exist before it becomes a problem. Churba (talk) 04:10, 26 January 2010 (UTC)

Unless we do what I did this year and get in a day or two before. --JB Adder | Talk 04:16, 26 January 2010 (UTC)

Sorry, I said that wrong - I meant get the request through ahead of time, rather than just lodging it, but I didn't put it very clearly. Churba (talk) 04:19, 26 January 2010 (UTC)

Ahh! Yeah, I'll have to try and lodge it beforehand, then. --JB Adder | Talk 04:27, 26 January 2010 (UTC)

Well, I need to take a kip(I find it best to get at least a little sleep before dealing with the english government, lest one goes postal), but I've set an alarm to wake me up around #15 or so, but in case I miss it, Good work again this year, everyone, Thanks JB for setting up the page and lodging the Semi-protect request, hope you're having a great Australia day, I raise my beer to you. I had to travel to a different city, in a different county in england to get this coopers, so it's no small thing. See you next year, everybody. Churba (talk) 05:19, 26 January 2010 (UTC)

Leaked Winner

The winner was leaked at http://www.crikey.com.au/2010/01/22/oz-day-spoiler-abc-leaks-hottest-100-victor/, and is referenced at http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2010/01/22/2799089.htm (ABC online, which is a highly reliable source.)

The polls closed on the 18th of January. The date of the Crikey webpage is the 22nd of January. This is after the polls closed, so isn't "crystal-balling". Also, both references refer to Mumford & Sons "Little Lion Man" as the "winner", not the "Frontrunner" as claimed by JB Adder. The word "frontrunners" appears in an unrelated phrase in the screenshot. 67.183.16.32 (talk) 01:19, 26 January 2010 (UTC)

Thanks Kollision for reformatting my references. I'm a Law student so i really should no better, but seeing as you appear to be pretty good at it, it was probably best left to you anyway :) --Carrie a bag (talk) 04:42, 26 January 2010 (UTC)

Ok so Little Lion Man hasn't been in yet and we all know the leak was true. Number 1 has been filled in. -BBoy_sKiDz^(t|c) 09:24, 26 January 2010 (UTC)

Until official it doesn't get added Azrael84 (talk) 09:26, 26 January 2010 (UTC)

Ok, well I've re added it now... -BBoy_sKiDz^(t|c) 09:29, 26 January 2010 (UTC)

I'm very disappointed that you had the leaked winner as the first piece of information in the article. I'd missed a heap of the songs, so at number 50 I jumped on to see what I'd missed. Immediatly spoiled. It completely ruined all of the fun. It's easy to say "well you shouldn't have read that bit", but when the winning song and band are in glaring blue hyperlinks, it's kind of hard to stop my eyes from seeing it. Whether it's wrong or right, hoax or real, this sort of thing should be in a subheading at the bottom of the article, at least for the duration of the countdown. Otherwise, nice work on the real-time updating of each song, but really not happy with the leak being the first thing on the page. - Bray —Preceding unsigned comment added by 203.56.81.6 (talk) 10:41, 26 January 2010 (UTC)

Adding songs

If you don't know how to format it correctly, don't add any songs. Nobody cares if you're the first one to add a particular song. Depor23 (talk) 01:39, 26 January 2010 (UTC)

Remember Me

This is a cover song, it should link to the original. Azrael84 (talk) 02:52, 26 January 2010 (UTC)

Thanks

Thankyou to all the other editors, I look forward to this page every year skyhawker666 (talk) 09:36, 26 January 2010 (UTC)

Confirmation of results

I was on the JJJ website, listening to the end of the countdown and can confirm the top 16 songs are correct. Geelcat (talk) 13:30, 26 January 2010 (UTC)